Thứ Sáu, 27 tháng 1, 2017

Finally! The new rear cupholders! part 1

  • Sep 9, 2016
    BerTX
    My newly delivered S60D has rear cupholders, and two rear USB ports. The DS said he had not seen them before...

    I took a video and will post as soon as I can figure out how.
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  • Sep 9, 2016
    Sugacookie
    Damn. Missed this change by 1 week! Hahahhaahah

    Can you at least post some pictures so I can be jealous?
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  • Sep 9, 2016
    D�rik Solutions
    Must.... See..... Pictures......

    Glad they finally came out! You're the first person I have heard of with them.

    Thanks Erik
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  • Sep 9, 2016
    Xenoilphobe
    whats your vin number?
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  • Sep 9, 2016
    D�rik Solutions
    PS: Did you get additional cameras?

    Feel free to message me and I can help with pics/videos. I am excited to see the rear cup holders/USB. I would love to upgrade for the USB option. The cup holders I'm indifferent.

    Thanks Erik
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  • Sep 9, 2016
    Apricot
    My 60 was built after BerTX's, so I'll report upon pickup on Monday.
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    Dynastar
    He went into production on the 31st. Rumor has cameras starting on the 5th of September I believe.
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    number12
    Who started 9/5 rumor? That's literally the day my might have been built starting on.
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    Dynastar
    It's based on a Reddit post so take it with the amount of salt you feel is best. Still it is in line with the Electrek story on AP 2.
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    number12
    I would lose my mind if I miss AP2.0 by 12 hours. Actually I would just lose $2500, but still.
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    Sugacookie
    A week for me (if true). not quite as bad as missing it by 12 hrs. Still frustrating though.
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    number12
    Have you taken delivery?
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    Dynastar
    For now it's all speculation, along with the rumor that refresh cars will be retrofittable.
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    Sugacookie
    Yes, Took delivery Sept 1.
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    number12
    Poke a hole in my strategy... POLL

    I will consider option B if I miss out. Something to consider when tax credit is still going strong. If you are in a state with an additional one that is a game changer.
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    LastGas
    Dimmit. Mine finished production 8/31. Whine.
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    number12
    How much would you pay to have 2.0?
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    LastGas
    That's a very complicated question, but maybe $2K on top of the $2.5K I already paid for the AP convenience feature. The alternative, though, is to trade cars later. I already have a Model 3 reserved. My car was ordered when AP was $2500, but built after the price increase.

    My answer is also contingent on what the current hardware is capable of as the software improves. It may be totally different tomorrow.
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    Model S M.D.
    Awesome!!! Would love to see those pictures! What is your VIN btw? I'm 158XXX...
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    hyper
    Hmmm. Asked my local store today....not surprised, they knew nothing. So, until we see pics is this just a rumor?
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    LastGas
    Upon reflection, I probably wouldn't pay very much for AP 2.0 hardware. I would be satisfied with the current AP hardware if the software were just more refined, and some software features added (like TACC automatically reducing speed when the speed limit changes). I don't think AP 2.0 is necessary to fix the occasional scrape in Summon and Autopark.

    I can wait for the Model 3 (or beyond) for full autonomy.
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    Canuck
    Perhaps not but that's minor compared to the fact that it can drive you under a trailer bed given the lack of a forward camera/radar at eye level.
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    LastGas
    That's a good point, but I think that problem can be dealt with using current hardware.
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    Canuck
    How? We know the range of the current hardware and if it can't see high enough because of its placement, how can software change that?
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    fallen888
    I call bullshit on this. It's been 24 hours and not even a pic of said cup holders. :p
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    BerTX
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    Driving new car wins out over posting pictures. Sorry.
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    D�rik Solutions
    Does it take up a lot of the foot room that used to be under the center console?

    Thanks Erik
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    supratachophobia
    Oh man, and you go the rear USB ports..... Are they charging only or can they also do media?
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    BerTX
    Have not tested them. I'll go do that.
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    BerTX
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    BerTX
    Rear USB ports are power only.
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    D�rik Solutions
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    Here's mine. Also a refreshed S.

    Thanks Erik
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    mark.lawler
    And of course my car was delivered last week...
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    Canuck
  • Sep 10, 2016
    ??ELECTROMAN??
    Oh good I was worried they would be arm rest cup holders that would interfere with laying the seats down flat. The kids will appreciate the USB ports and cup holders. Come on AP 2.0!
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    ND100
    What does the front facing camera housing look like?
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    rfmurphy81
    I'm curious if those of us without the new rear cupholders could have them retrofitted by the Service Center. I would love to have some cupholder back there and why not the new OEM.
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  • Sep 10, 2016
    gjunky
    Those cup holders and USB ports look just like the ones in the Model X
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    Johann Koeber
    I hope to update my 2014 S with the cupholders und USB.
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    787steve
    Mine already has that hardware and software. It is referred to as ADWEO. Alert Driver With Eyes Open.
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    LastGas
    Why do you say it can't see high enough? I know that it can't see objects up high when a few feet away when doing Summon, but generally sensors fan out at distance. All the reports I read said that the problem was the lack of contrast between the truck and the sky, and limits in the radar imaging, the latter being addressed by software.
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    singleview
    AWESOME!! Thanks for posting the pics!

    Waiting for my Model S... so hoping that it should come with these... !! :):D
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    Lex
    Amazing ! Congrats to those getting the new treats. If it wasn't a Tesla, this would be front page news... eg.

    Rear Seats in Leading American Sedan Finally Get Cup Holders, USB
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    PtG62901
    I generally keep a 25' tape measure in a rear cupholder. Those look handy, and what kid doesn't need a USB charger?
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    PtG62901
    They will be front page news soon, Car crashes with new cup holders. Tesla and NTSB investigating.
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    BerTX
    Hey! Cut that out! ;)
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    BerTX
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    D�rik Solutions
    Mine looks the exact same and is a refreshed S delivered on June 3rd. Any pre-refresh photos anyone?

    Back on topic, I'd love the rear USB. I'm torn in the rear cup holders. It looks like it took away a fair bit of foot room.

    Thanks Erik

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  • Sep 11, 2016
    Drucifer
    I feel for people who just took delivery and missed some new thing, even if the new thing is relatively minor like cupholders and USB charging ports.

    One of the joys of owning a nearly 4 year old Model S, is that when a new feature comes out, I now only feel joy for the proud new owner that found a feature that was a sort of unannounced "Easter Egg" than sadness that I missed out. In fact, the longer I hold on to this car, the more "new to me" features I will enjoy in the next one, so there is even some joy of anticipation that comes with that.

    Congrats on your new Model S, and on your "find".
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    rdevillers
    Thanks for this information! Our May 2015 85D and Nov 2015 P90D have the same camera housing.

    The May 2015 car does not have the additional blacked-out area on the passenger side of the housing. I think they added that in summer 2015 as a place to mount a toll road transponder. The glass in that area apparently does does not have the coating that may block transponder signals.
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    LastGas
    I carry a 12', 25' and a 100' tape measure in my car. Need more cupholders. :p
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    LastGas
    Those USB ports will be great to power the kids' hand-held devices.
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    gmorales
    So what are those 2 little round circles on the right side ? Additional cameras ??
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    Lex
    Yes, 3 cameras and more...

    The way I see it, the more and better autonomous systems are, the more predictable the road will be in general, so there will always be a net benefit for all of us. #turnthatfrownupsidedown
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    trils0n
    They look like the connection points for the heating element that goes across the camera. At least they connect to both ends of that heating element.
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    BerTX
    Not cameras -- they are opaque
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    BerTX
    Yep, that looks like what it is.
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    Canuck
    That's nice to say, but we all have momentary lapses of attention while driving, or perhaps a medical issue. The price of an additional camera is cheap to save a life. One of the huge selling points is peace of mind and additional safety, not the ADWEO requirement.

    From what I've read, the cameras "aren�t sophisticated enough to overcome blindness from bright or low contrast light.�

    The sun was behind the Tesla, not in front of it, it was later in the day, and it was ideal conditions. It certainly seems like a hardware problem to me. Of course, it can be tweeked but the fact is, relying one one piece of hardware give me no peace of mind, regardless of the software capabilities. ADWEO is a must and that defeats the purpose for me since I can't relax. Others can and that's great. It really comes down your nature and the risk you are willing to accept. Overall, AP1.0 will do much more good than harm. However, for me, as I've said before, I can live with me killing me accidentally, I can't live with AP1.0 accidentally killing me (even though it's really still me killing me for failing to be ADWEO).
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    Sugacookie
    Me too!
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    LastGas
    Musk said today that the new 8.0 software would likely have prevented the Florida crash. The camera contrast issue was the problem with the 7.1 software, but 8.0 makes more effective use of RADAR so that confirmation by the camera is not necessary.

    The Electrek article from a couple of weeks ago talked about this.

    What is new and exciting is the ability of the updated software to "see" an object in front of the car in front of you (bouncing RADAR signals under the car in front). That way you can start braking BEFORE the car in front swerves to avoid the object.
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    LastGas
    Nothing at all about new hardware in the Autopilot release today. Indeed, it seems like a multiple camera system is superfluous. I still think the car needs more RADAR to reach full autonomy.
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    Canuck
  • Sep 11, 2016
    Lyon
    I don't think VIN has a whole lot to do with it. It's more about built date... at least I hope. My VIN is 155xxx because it was assigned in August some time. Since then I've changed configuration but it does not look as though the VIN has changed. This tells me that the VIN was assigned but the car hadn't been built yet. FYI, my DS thinks I'll have the car by the end of the month and it doesn't look like they've started building it! They must be building cars quickly these days!
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    Model S M.D.
    No kidding, mine hasn't begun production yet, but I keep being reassured an end of Sept delivery... Sounds like crazy fast production. I hope they really are testing our 100 kWh batteries extensively and not rushing it.

    Looks like a small side benefit of this slight delay was the rear cup holders and USB ports :)
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    LastGas
    The press release does not say that this limitation is due to lack of a 2nd camera.
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    Canuck
    Yes, true, although it would be very odd if it did say that, even if it was the truth, which in my view it is. We know that fully autonomous driving is available with more hardware (which obviously solves this problem) -- to quote Elon Musk:

    But the limitation may not only be lack of a second camera, but also lack of sufficient processing hardware, both of which we know are coming, the only question is "when?". I know the next step is not full autonomy, but I use that example to show that the limitation is due to the lack of hardware, that is not solved simply by software improvements, at least in my opinion.
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    Canuck
    I've had rear cup holders, 2 usb's, (and 2 12volts!) since 2014...

    IMG_20160911_14109.jpg IMG_20160911_25133.jpg

    Now if only I could retrofit AP as easily! ;)
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    LargeHamCollider
    It has been implied that the hardware will come before the M3 launches, which is about a year away...
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    Xenoilphobe
  • Sep 11, 2016
    Canuck
    That seems to be the conventional thinking but how do we reconcile that with this:

    Speaking about Tesla�s progress in full Level 4 autonomy, Musk said that �what we�ve got will blow people�s minds, it blows my mind �it�ll come sooner than people think.�

    The article goes on to state that Musk said the issue is not one of hardware, except in relation to the computer, or processing hardware. So it's conceivable that the Model 3 will come out with the same radar and camera hardware as the Model S/X but will greater processing power to do more with them. I don't accept that view, but what do I know? Nothing really about this stuff, except for my gut feeling, and that's worth about what people are paying me for my opinion.

    Lastly, Musk has said repeatedly that the Model S/X will always lead in all areas of technology over the Model 3 (that is, the new S/X's available at the time vs. the Model 3, of course, since a Model 3 will obviously be more advanced than older S/X's in certain tech areas). When we put this all together, unless the Model 3 has the same hardware (both cameras, radar and processing) as the current S/X, AP2.0 has to come out before the Model 3, but even that is just a guess.
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    LastGas
    I understand that the current limitations on automatic lane change relate to sensor capability--they can't see a rapidly approaching car from behind in the passing lane. I am also concerned about the ability to make a turn onto a non-controlled highway with no merge lane without increased sensor range to the sides on the front of the car.

    It seems to me that testing out the next generation of AP sensors in the existing S/X fleet would be better than waiting until a mass of Model 3's come out. They would already have data collected to make the Model 3 experience better from day one.
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    Canuck
    Yes, that's it. I use one in the back and one up front since I don't have a center console, and it also fits great in that spot, and I use it to hold my drinks rather than the arm rest ones. The one in the back is a bit deceiving though. That's a small water bottle. For larger bottles, you need to move it back a bit or they hit the top and don't fit. I use non-slip like this under it and it works great:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Multipurpose-Non-Slip-Mat-Furniture/dp/B00AVJ9GBY
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    Xenoilphobe
  • Sep 11, 2016
    Canuck
    Nice. I like that one. I note that the non-slip stuff I posted was $64! That's a rip-off -- I just googled it to find it as an example. I had some lying around since we used it in our travel trailer to keep the cups and dishes in place while driving. You can probably find it online a lot cheaper, or at RV stores. You will want to use it to keep it from moving around unless you anchor it some way more permanently.
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    Xenoilphobe
    I'm using adhesive velcro that I also have lying around.
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    Lyon
    I'm more excited about that than I should be. ;)
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    787steve
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    LastGas
    In context, this seems to apply to automatic emergency braking, not Autopilot. This is what Musk said at the press conference today:

    When the Autopilot is not active, it will operate in an emergency braking mode. In that case, it�s more likely to mitigate the impact speed because if Autosteer it doesn�t know if the driver is actually going to get out-of-the-way of an obstacle or not. So it will only brake at the very last second.

    If Autosteer is turned on, the car computer knows what its probable path is and whether it will actually turn in time or not. And so it will be a much more comfortable braking experience as opposed to the last-minute and in that case, we think mostly likely we will be able to brake to a complete stop instead of simply mitigating the impact velocity.?
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    Buddy
    This cup holder topic comes up a lot. Please keep the thread on topic so it's easier to find. Plenty of autopilot threads.
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    Canuck
    That was my first attempt too but I couldn't get the velcro to grasp the carpet and when you use the adhesive on the carpet, mine came off before the velcro did so I moved to the non-slip stuff.
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    PatrickCP
    So I missed the cup holders and usb plugs by less than two weeks. Oh well. I guess if you wait to order on hoping it will have some minor convienience additions you will never order and not have the joys of the future now.
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  • Sep 11, 2016
    ??ELECTROMAN??
    Yep, Iv'e been waiting for years. I think it will be worth the wait if I ever stop waiting. Although I should have bought the 40kWh, in hind sight, even though I was unemployed and it didn't have rear cup holders. Oh well.
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  • Sep 12, 2016
    alexvirital
    @PatrickCP, same exact boat, man. I'd love the cupholders (actually, would prefer the rear USB more) but I love having a magical wonder boat of myth and joy way more. Given how crazy I was during production, waiting another two weeks may well have killed me.
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  • Sep 12, 2016
    AMPUP
    So does the Model S Integrated Center Console in the Tesla store available for retrofit now contain the USB's as well?
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  • Sep 12, 2016
    ArtInCT
    When I received mine two months ago, it did not have USB ports, you will have to call Tesla Gear to find out what the details are now.
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  • Sep 12, 2016
    Morristhecat
    I am wondering that exact same thing. Does anyone know?
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  • Sep 12, 2016
    Apricot
    FYI, I picked up today and I indeed had the rear cup holders and USB Ports!
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  • Sep 12, 2016
    ecarfan
    The product page in the Tesla Shop states that console has "USB/power-cord pass-through". I interpret that to mean that it is designed to allow access to the existing USB ports.
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  • Sep 12, 2016
    Morristhecat
    I interpret that as pass through for the front USB ports into the front console. The photo in the online store does not show USB ports in the back by the cup holders. But if it is an outdated photo, I would like to know the new information.
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    Just missed the cupholders also. Whoopee! Otherwise, people in the back might have gotten the idea that I approved of them drinking in my Model S. Awkwardness avoided.
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    I ordered mine Aug 27, and am hoping mine will have the rear cup holders too.

    I see you ordered yours on Aug 14, and got em. Right? :)
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    Right. I don't care that much, but my kids (backseat clients) were thrilled.
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    I picked up mine today as well (9/13) and have the USB/cupholder combo. Went into production on 9/1.
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    Since today is the Chevy Bolt EPA range reveal day, I thought I'd point out how generous Tesla is throwing in 2 rear USB ports for free. For the Chevy Bolt two rear USB ports are part of the optional Infotainment Package (only available with the Premier Trim, no go with the base LT Trim) :D
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    Dang it! I just missed this by less than a month... Oh well. At least it wasn't AP 2.0 hardware that I missed. Although, not having rear cupholders makes it easier to tell passengers that they can't bring drinks in my car lol
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    When was your production date ?
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    It doesn't look like it. I will know for sure next week since I already ordered it and am having it installed Tues. I can confirm once I get the car back.
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    I hope so, you should ask the SC to confirm before install, surely they are only making one version now!! so tell them you don't want old stock,
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    Lucky newest owners! I wish mine had it (refreshed S delivered about 6 weeks ago).

    Quick question for the lucky new owners with the rear cupholder: does it look like the panel that holds the cupholder is a contiguous piece with the rest of the console? In the prior version, the back piece under the heating vents (where your cupholders are now) is just a snapped in flat plastic panel. It would be amazing if the new cupholders are designed as a part that can mount the same way. Take a careful look for a seam that runs down the length of the rear panel!

    I'm still hoping the cupholder part is retrofittable to newer cars (and those that just got the new integrated center console installed in older cars).
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    Mine finished production 8/31. The suspense is killing me.
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    Mine went into production 8/31 and finished production 9/2. Picked mine up yes. Unfortunately, Mine don't have them. Good luck to you.
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    Bah, lucky you! I missed out. Good thing I never sit in the back :p
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    Hope mine will come with the cup holders. Funny how after all the tech and beauty of the Model S.... we're fretting over this. But hey.

    My timeline...

    Ordered: 8/22
    Order confirmed: 8/27
    VIN assigned: 8/27
    Entered Production: 9/8
    Completed Production: 9/10
    ETA: 9/22
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    Picked up my S90D yesterday, no cup holders. Pretty nice car though.

    Better foot room in back, no USB ports, no cup holders. It is a nit to me. Don't want people drinking back there anyway.
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    I agree. I'm glad they are hidden...
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    When I picked up my model S a couple weeks ago (Sept 6), my three young kids noticed there was no cup holders in the back. I told them Elon didn't want them drinking or eating back there so they don't put them in. Who is Elon, they asked. In any case, they haven't brought it up again, so can we please keep this thread our little secret?
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    I don't mind having the cupholders, but honestly, they look like my kids could break it with one swift kick.
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    Final week of July 2016.
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