Jun 15, 2014
Runs Kwh Just got my S85 and absolutely loving it overall - however, I think the navigation and music interfaces and user experience could use significant improvement. I'm hoping that 6.0 will correct or incorporate many of those features (that many have lamented are missing in multiple threads, etc.).
I'm not familiar with when 5.0 was released and how significant of an update that was over prior versions - but just curious if/when folks might think 6.0 would come out (it would be awesome to bet $1 on the day and then have winner take all. But in lieu of making my brain think too hard on a Sunday night (before watching an episode of Orange is the New Black) - I will say, I hope that 6.0 is released on(by) September 1st (2014).
Any other guesses?�
Jun 15, 2014
JerryNycom Christmas!�
Jun 15, 2014
apacheguy Considering that Elon mentioned 6.0 would be coming very soon back in February, I would certainly hope that it arrives before Xmas. Even knowing what I know now about Tesla time my guess would be the end of summer for complete rollout. The reason for that is that it has been confirmed that 6.0 is being beta tested so almost all the code has been written. Now only the kincks have to be worked out.�
Jun 15, 2014
Vger I think sometime this summer is a good bet. To somewhat answer the OP's question, from hints and official descriptions, it sounds like 6.0 will be BY FAR the biggest step change in functionality in the history of Model S.�
Jun 16, 2014
Argelius Please. Give us shuffle.�
Jun 16, 2014
FlasherZ You'll have to define "day" more. Tesla historically has not announced a release - it appears one day in a demo car and someone notices, or a loaner, or a newly acquired vehicle, or a service center upgrade, or an OTA update. So to note an "official" release day is a bit more difficult to do. Then there are the rumors of beta testers out there, too.�
Jun 16, 2014
GlennAlanBerry Yep, FlasherZ is correct. New software/firmware updates just start showing up pretty randomly, and someone notices, and takes pictures of the release notes, and people start complaining that they don't have the update yet. Other people usually start complaining about one of the new features, or how they think it broke something, etc. It is usually pretty entertaining...
Personally, I wish Tesla would publish release notes for each new version on their web site, so people could look at them in advance, before accepting the update and finding out about the changes afterwards.�
Jun 16, 2014
Doug_G February.�
Jun 16, 2014
ecarfan That's for sure ;-)
If you log on to your "My Tesla" page on the company website and scroll down to the Documents section there is a Software Updates tab which includes links to PDFs describing recent OTA updates. I believe it is the same information that shows up on the center display after an update is installed.
What I don't know is the timing of when those My Tesla PDFs appear. Do they only appear after your car has updated and not when the first car in the field is updated? I suspect so.�
Jun 16, 2014
gaswalla "coming soon in 2014"�
Jun 16, 2014
AmpedRealtor It will arrive before either the center console or the CHAdeMO adapter, which will never arrive.
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Jun 16, 2014
HHHH in that case 12/31/14?�
Jun 16, 2014
Hodginator In the shareholder video I believe he said "later this year" but I may be mistaken. So my guess is fall.�
Jun 16, 2014
gmontem 11/2014.
14 - 11 = 3
OMG Half Life 3 confirmed.�
Jun 16, 2014
AlMc My guess; Beta testing August/Sept: General release October/November. I am certain on the months, just not year; 2014 or 1015. But, as others have posted it is entertaining to speculate, then commiserate/complain about lack of receiving or wishing that a certain feature was better or included. When I consider those issues I just remind myself when I drive my wife's SUV that things could be much worse.:wink:�
Jun 16, 2014
Bardlebee What could they possibly add in 6.0 that would be huge? Lets talk about that.
Sure, they could open up the SDK to developers and keep stringent rules on the GUI, because I don't think they would want others to change it due to usability concerns. But beyond that I feel like there isn't much you can update in the car beyond what they have done, such as hill assist and creep. Maybe there are other things I am not thinking about?�
Jun 16, 2014
AlMc It is late and my old brain at this time can think of two quick things; valet mode and even better 'nav' (there is talk of the Teslas being able to communicate traffic issues in real time and directing you to alternate routes)�
Jun 16, 2014
apacheguy Actually Elon tweeted that 6.0 beta testing would begin as soon as the 5.9 rollout had completed.�
Jun 16, 2014
Bardlebee Well there was rumor of Spotify as well, of which I have a subscription to so it would be GREAT if I could get that in the car itself and not have to leverage bluetooth. I would be beside myself with joy.�
Jun 17, 2014
AlMc Do we know for Certain that the 5.X series rollout is complete?�
Jun 17, 2014
steve841 I thought it was "released" after 5.9 rollout completed ...
Oh well, we owners all are 100% familiar with Tesla timelines ...:cursing:�
Jun 17, 2014
seanahan I'm scheduled to be delivered in September, so my bet is approximately one day after that. Given my luck, for some reason I won't be able to access the update.�
Jun 17, 2014
SeminoleFSU + 1�
Jun 17, 2014
zdre I suspect the 5.11 is last in the 5 series since Tesla likes to go to 11.�
Jun 18, 2014
wk057 It's things like this that should be left to third party devs (SDK!) and leave Tesla devs to bigger and better things... just my 2 cents.�
Jun 18, 2014
shady I don't think there should be a "big 6.0" release. They should incrementally add the features one at a time to 5.12, 5.13, 5.14 ....�
Jun 18, 2014
Vger I see your point but sometimes that does not work. Sometimes a redesign of something like navigation requires such deep changes that there are many ripples. Or various new features depend on each other.�
Jun 20, 2014
seanahan For major changes, developers usually prefer the major release number. At some point, incremental updates won't work, and a major change must occur. We may well see a 5.12 and 5.13 with "maintenance updates" before 6.0, if they find bugs that need to be fixed immediately. How "big" 6.0 is of a release depends on how much new functionality they are adding.
Additionally, there are marketing reasons for deploying a major release number. Not a lot of news outlets will pick up version 5.10 to 5.11, but a number of EV news sites will definitely write stories on 6.0. It's possible there are features that have been "ready" for some months, and are being held to deploy in a big bundle with 6.0, to have better marketing.�
Jun 21, 2014
brianman If I was Elon, I would release it on the Saturday of TMC Connect just for entertainment value.�
Jun 23, 2014
Gizmotoy A good point, for sure. It's pretty likely Tesla wants a big bunch of fancy features all together to further tout in news articles that it's "the only car that gets better the longer you own it," which they like to push as a major selling point.
I don't begrudge them that, but I do wish 6.0 would roll out already... we all know Tesla's time estimates are optimistic, but this one seems like it's been exceptionally wrong.�
Jun 30, 2014
tliving For the history of releases and timing I did some analysis here:
Cruising in the Tesla Model S | Tesla Living
In Tesla's annual shareholder meeting Elon mentioned 6.0:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAeetyfnHfk&list=WL&index=6
Software/HW features aroud 13:07-15:49
He said it would be rolling out �fairly soon�, but by now most know these kinds of statements are not really true by the way most people would define soon. Then again he's planning Mars trips and the like so its all relative
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Jul 1, 2014
jamieb This.
It would be nice to demo and start pushing out in front of the Tesla faithful, but somehow I don't think so...
Tesla is notably absent from the list of manufacturers supporting either iOS' Carplay or Android Auto as shown below, so I wonder if they're planning on releasing around September when iOS 8.0 releases (mid-September presumably). Although I'd personally be happy with CarPlay support only, I'm sure there are many of you who use Android who would be upset if the Tesla platform was iOS only; I'd be upset if it was Android only. I'm sure Tesla knows the proportion of owners who are using iOS versus Android and they may be figuring out & negotiating (licensing issues) how to support both on their platform. I'd think they'd want to be platform-agnostic for smartphone support.
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Jul 3, 2014
William13 After consideration I believe that V6.0 will follow on the heals of V5.989�
Jul 7, 2014
jpwe10 I want to see different visual themes with 6. It would be awesome to have a SpaceX themed instrument cluster while launching the car to the stars! Also 3rd party apps would be cool.�
Jul 7, 2014
NigelM The excitement about v6.0 has kinda worn off in our household. I'd rather have my center console.�
Jul 10, 2014
Chipper What??!! There is a center console for the Model S???? Oh, wait a minute............Yeah, I remember them mentioning that MONTHS ago. (Chuckling Loudly!!)�
Jul 10, 2014
dtich 
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Jul 10, 2014
AlMc . While some of what you mention would be cool, I think TM is going for better function first, as they should. They have done some incredible upgrades that can be downloaded at home while you sleep. I also think that it would be smart to concentrate on 2-3 major changes in firmware with each release and getting it right versus flooding us with lots of changes that cause major issues. Just one person's opinion�
Jul 10, 2014
NigelM Agree. (Not surprising considering us mods would have to deal with the flood of posts following a flood of updates. :smile
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BTW, it's been long since discussed that v6.0 should include some real time traffic calculations etc. That stuff has got to be complicated to program and if the algorithms (or whatever) aren't spot on there'll be plenty of owners complaining.�
Jul 10, 2014
apacheguy Navigon has this functionality built in (but not enabled in the Model S) and with Google Maps already integrated it shouldn't be too difficult to shoot over that traffic data. Also, I thought that it was already confirmed that this will be one of the main features introduced in 6.0 along with a full featured trip planner.�
Jul 10, 2014
dtich er, i didn't mention anything, i just posted this cool pic of the dragon control surface. for fun.
i myself am perfectly happy to sit back while tm get the work done they need to get done, i'm in no rush. love my car everyday, so no problem. anything else is gravy at this point. (ok, fix the damn podcast skipping problem, but you know, other than that....).
my bet is also that tm is totally revamping the security model for the firmware and rejiggering module networking a bit, and that's what's taking so long. fine by me.�
Jul 10, 2014
Lump I just had an ugly thought...hope its not real.
Its being delayed until the Model X debut & that way v6 will be shown off as a spectacular new feature instead of simply giving Model S an update that has taken a tremendous amount of work.�
Jul 11, 2014
iffatall I had that very thought occur to me the other day. But then I figured it is very unlikely Elon will say the update will be out very soon, if he already has it in early 2015 rpadmap (Model X release). As much as I hate Tesla's time estimates being horribly underestimated, I still trust when Elon says 2 weeks, he really believes it can be done in 2 weeks.�
Jul 11, 2014
DrComputer It's not coming out too soon since the beta testers don't even have it yet (I'm not one of them).�
Jul 11, 2014
NigelM Ummm, word on the street is that beta testers do have it (I'm not one of them either though). They might not like it and it may go back for further refinement so it still may not be out soon.�
Jul 13, 2014
seanahan Seems unlikely, from an engineering perspective. Best to get the software update out the door to Model S customers who can test and debug it, before launching it in the brand new car.
Also note that they are likely developing features which will not be seen until version 7.0. They probably have a software feature roadmap which is at least a year out, if not further, and then a laundry list of potential software features extending out indefinitely far.
The real question is, for software feature which affect the driving and/or safety components of the car, how rigorous is the testing process? I assume it's extremely rigorous, and takes months to meet all the safety requirements. For non-driving features, such as nav, sound, etc., giving out to beta testers earlier seems reasonable, since if it crashes their sound system, it won't injure them in any way.�
Jul 13, 2014
wk057 The fact that we have a car that gets new free features regularly is great in itself. Even if it takes a couple of years, and then you get an update that adds a couple small things.... that'd be great. Still better than any other car.
So no whining!�
Jul 14, 2014
Gizmotoy Agreed. Like it or not, the X is a huge risk/opportunity for Tesla. A big chunk of their stock price is speculative based on the X being a success. No reason to risk "Big Model X Software Issues Found" headlines when they have a built-in fleet of testers (us Model S owners) available to them.�
Jul 15, 2014
dsmith2189 probably waiting for the hackathon in china to complete before sending 6.0 out the door, so they can patch any holes found.�
Jul 24, 2014
mmcmonster Features I would love:
1 - Google Maps traffic integration w/ passive Waze support (you can add your traffic data to Waze but not tag things, you can see tags created by others).
2- Music Playlist support
3 - Sort Location Favorites by name, distance from current location, date added
4 - Geofence so that the car raises to highest position when you approach your house so that you don't scrape up the driveway if your driveway has a dip
5 - More information saved as part of the driver profile. My wife likes Creep on, I hate it. ;-)
And that's what I thought of in a couple minutes.�
Jul 25, 2014
Shumdit
Elon did mention 6.0 would let you name your car. Big whup...
I hope that's not the "feature" that's going to be the main bullet point of the 6.0 release!�
Jul 29, 2014
Mike_Schlechter Bump; any insights on this from TMC connect or anywhere else?�
Jul 29, 2014
dsm363 Nothing was mentioned at TMC Connect about this.�
Jul 29, 2014
iadbound The speculation on 6.0 is very interesting. Obviously, everybody has a long list of items that they would like to see, and I doubt any two lists would be an exact match. My theory has been as follows with respect to a major future upgrade that I believe will come prior to the launch of Model X, whether it turns out to be 6.0 or not:
Key Assumption -- Model S owners are blazing a trail with respect to in-car software updates. Tesla couldn't possibly have accommodated every owner's software wish at the outset, and it probably still can't now. However, with the Model X, Tesla must recognize that its target audience will not be exactly the same. The newer audience is going to be expecting a more complete product on the media and interface side. Simply put, the software will need to do what their old car did, but 10 times better. In addition, reviewers and other influence makers will not be inclined to go easy on Tesla on what will be its third product. Tesla got a pass on the Model S because it was upgradeable, the media options were still very good, and the car was otherwise amazing. But Tesla's luck will probably run out if Model X isn't a complete package that will get even better over time. With that in mind, here's what I think/hope is coming:
1. Tesla will roll-out a complete mobile phone integration scheme. Obviously Model S can handle a variety of mobile phones and it is quite versatile. However, Tesla needs to build out the software so that mobile phone integration is nearly seamless. Not only does the Model S need it to stay competitive with CarPlay equipped vehicles and other similar systems, but for Model X its a must have because the new buyers will be expecting something full featured and better because, after all, it's a Tesla not a [brand of your choosing with a full featured phone integration system that is still ugly and clumsy]. On a side note, I believe that Tesla will do this better than other manufacturers, and we won't even miss CarPlay.
2. Tesla will significantly improve voice commands. As part of the mobile phone improvements, Tesla will need to offer things like voice-based messaging. The needed improvements in voice recognition will hopefully be translated into a natural language command and control system for all car functions.
3. The Model S will become geographically sophisticated. Various rumblings here have suggested geofencing and other clever initiatives that Tesla might enable. I can't begin to figure out all the permutations in this area, but I think Tesla will be working hard to make its cars geographically relevant and intuitive. Obviously the big area is traffic rerouting, but it could easily extend to EV specific trip planning issues, such as elevation changes, wind speeds, etc. Obviously, services and shopping information can be geographically tuned.
4. Tesla will expand the applications available. There is no end to the applications that Tesla could develop, integrate or allow through approval of third-party software. It seems to me that Tesla will increase its number of home-grown applications before Model X comes out. At that point, Tesla will try to develop a third-party development process so that the offerings are more robust by the time Model III arrives.
5. Tesla will offer far more customization than just naming your car. As virtually any setting in the car could be tied to a driver profile, it seems likely, and probably easy enough, to simply tie almost every setting in the car to the driver profile. Obviously, the next step might be customizing the behavior of certain functions like climate control, media, locking and unlocking, charging, etc.
This missive may have strayed off topic. Moderators, please move to a new thread if you think it's wise.�
Jul 29, 2014
HillCountryFun iadbound: Nice speculation...it will be very interesting to watch the rollout happen!�
Jul 29, 2014
NigelM There's bits of speculation all over the place but as it's only speculation I'm not going to move it. Based on real snippets, and Elon pronouncements here and there, what we pretty much know is that v6.0 will take into account real-time traffic conditions, there should be some cosmetic changes to improve navigation also and (rumored) a map update via WiFi, there should be some new app functions such as charging notifications (although I wouldn't be surprised if they don't roll-out all app versions at once, e.g. I could see them starting with iPhone and doing other versions later), and car naming (which I personally don't care about at all).
The big deal about v6.0 (as Tesla/Elon has stated previously) is supposed to be the real-time traffic integration; of course this is only relevant for folks who have the Nav option. Although iadbound has a fascinating list, I hope we're not setting our dreams too high above the reality to come.�
Jul 29, 2014
BlueTan85 If every car had a unique ID, akin to a Twitter @username, only a Tesla @carname, that would open the doors to some interesting possibilities at the SuperChargers. Assuming the SuperChargers were "sentient" and could recognize a car's @carname. (Yes I understand that at a lower level, the VIN or some other hidden unique ID might be used machine-to-machine, but a @carname would be visible and . . . human.)
For example, if @fluffball is 10 miles from a busy, crowded SuperCharger, perhaps the car could "reserve" a slot in the queue, and the Tesla Cloud could manage the queue while the car is en route. When it got there, @fluffball would have say 90 seconds to plug in to one of the reserved chargers, and if someone else plugs in, the car might tell them, sorry, this isn't reserved for you yet, charge won't happen until [2] other cars in the queue get charged first.
In order to possibly prevent ensuing warfare, perhaps only one or two of the charger slots could be designated Express Slots, by reservation only, requiring the car to have a unique name, and the driver to have signed up in the minutes prior to arrival. And of course, the software should allow the driver to automatically sign up for any charger queues as they get within X miles of the charger locations.
(And it goes without saying that the Tesla Cloud should manage, in real time, any ICE situations in any charger slots, and adjust the queue as needed.)�
Jul 29, 2014
Peter_M I'd really like to see some improvements in "basic" navigation.
A new bridge opened near me a few weeks ago. When I attempted to navigate a route that went over it, I saw that the bridge wasn't there on the centre console or on the dashboard (so naturally it didn't plot a route over the bridge), the year-old road approaching the bridge was there on the centre console but not on the dashboard, and the centre console was showing traffic happily driving across the bridge. :smile:
This strange system with two databases - Google Maps for the centre console and another (Navigon?) for the dashboard and route calculation - seems way too complex. Google Maps is perfectly capable of calculating good turn-by-turn directions and its database seems to be the most up-to-date, so why not use it for everything?
The other thing I would really like to see is multi-destination routes. We need this to plan a route that goes by a charging station, or that's a little longer but slower to extend the range.�
Jul 29, 2014
iadbound I wouldn't be surprised to see that my very long list is done over 2-4 major software updates not one. I still think Tesla has to get the phone integration squared away before Model X. On the other hand, Tesla does seem to think big, so maybe they will shock us all. :smile:�
Jul 29, 2014
AlMc Based on previous releases I would agree with this sentiment. I have a laundry list of things I would like to see, as do many others here and over on TM forum. However, I am OK with them slowly rolling these things out, and getting them right. It is still the only car I have ever owned that gets better over time.�
Jul 29, 2014
NigelM My guess is that the only phone integration we'll see in the near future will be some basic stuff like contacts (already there), calendar and notes. I doubt there'll be any integration of other apps in the next 12 months...in fact I'll take bets on it.�
Jul 29, 2014
iadbound I wouldn't bet against someone with 9,000+ posts. I agree that phone-to-Tesla apps are unlikely. I'm focusing on full phone functions like dialing a specific number by voice, picking from multiple numbers without using the screen, possibly a pass-through for Siri without touching the phone, text message reading and voice replies, music controls, etc.�
Jul 30, 2014
arg Because it doesn't work offline, and in many places you can't rely on a high bandwidth (or any) connection.�
Jul 30, 2014
sigurdi A view of the charging slots when you getting close to a SC, with the recomendation on what stall that gives most power and you should use.
This way you do not need to see where A and B is located, is the car on 1A at low or high SOC.......
The result would be better use of the SC and more cars charged at less time.�
Jul 30, 2014
flashflood Really good idea.�
Jul 30, 2014
liuping This is a great idea. As more people get Teslas, the number of people who do not understand how the charger pairing works is going to increase.
I've already helped more than one person who pulled up after me at a supercharger and plugged into a charger that was paired with one already in use, when there was a full power stall open.
An alternative would be to an LED to each pedestal to indicate if it's full power.�
Aug 3, 2014
shady Why would Tesla want to advertise the fact that not all stores are providing "full" power?
This is one of those great ideas that will go on the "never going to happen" list I"m afraid.
It's just opening a can of worms.�
Aug 3, 2014
brianman Quantity does not imply quality or accuracy. Fortunately, on TMC it does imply some degree of decorum and reasonable behavior (moderators FTW).
That said, I wouldn't bet against bonnie or NigelM when they're being serious.�
Aug 3, 2014
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Aug 3, 2014
AlMc I have bet against them and owe each one at least one beer/glass of wine. In fact in Bonnie's case it may be multiple ones but I still think she gets her X before end of Q1 2015. When I win that one I may be down to owing only a six pack:wink:
Personally, I would not bet on two things: 1. That 6.0 will have everything everyone wants: Think Quality, not Quantity and there will be lots more firmware upgrades 7.0...8.0...etc.
2. That it will be released soon (I have no way to know what 'soon' is, but I am thinking week(s) not day(s)�
Aug 3, 2014
bonnie I wouldn't count on being shocked.
We (meaning 'this forum') have a tendency to build off each other's enthusiasm until we're sure that [the X will be shipped next week | stock price will double in the next day | we will have all the sw features in this release | there will be a unicorn in my backyard tomorrow morning]. Honestly, half the time I feel my role as a moderator is to try to keep the expectations in check. Heeyah! You guys are a tough crowd! I feel for Tesla. They do some cool stuff, but when they announce it, people around here are actually disappointed because they worked their expectations up to soooo much more.
Reset. Listen to Nigel. If more comes, awesome. If we get what we're expecting, YAY. If we get anything, wow, a car that gets better as it ages. More to come.
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Aug 3, 2014
evmile Google Maps need internet access - Navigon is built-in but can be out of date. If you start your journey were there is no internet/cell coverage Google Maps won't work. In fact if your journey goes though places without cell coverage Google Maps just gives up until you get coverage again.�
Aug 3, 2014
NigelM I'll take that bet. Bonnie won't get her car before 3/31/15; unfortunately that means neither will I. :frown:
Agree its weeks, not days. We've heard enough to know that v6.0 is not huge but it is complicated; also as noted elsewhere there are some updates to the app and that would certainly require some serious beta testing.�
Aug 22, 2014
UberEV1 Question for those who have prior experience with Traffic-Enabled Navigation:
How well does it work, if at all, to distinguish route with high traffic load in all lanes vs. high traffic load generally but with clear car pool (HOV) lane? I imagine this is technically difficult to do with today's data, but curious if the new traffic-enabled navigation will help (or make matters worse). In the SF Bay Area and LA areas, many highways and expressways can experience stand-still traffic jams in the normal lanes while the car pool lane is at near full speed. The ideal traffic-enabled navigation would be able to make this distinction and choose routes that included flowing car pool lanes even when the rest are stop & go. However, if it cannot distinguish, then I imagine being routed via surface streets to avoid traffic jams, never really knowing if there really was a much faster option.
Reason for asking is that virtually every time I use navigation today, some portion of my route is by freeway. Thus, it would be awesome if the new feature actually could discern what is going on in the car pool lanes.
Thoughts or advice?�
Aug 22, 2014
flashflood Great idea, but I have not yet seen it implemented. Even if GPS is not precise enough to detect which lane you're in, it should be possible using Waze data to discover that the traffic speed distribution is bimodal, and therefore infer the difference between normal and HOV lanes. Unless, of course, it's bimodal because there's an accident in the left lane...�
Aug 22, 2014
ken830 Also, some of us refuse to stick the ugly HOV stickers on our cars, so the navigation system would need to know how many passengers you have.�
Aug 22, 2014
Gizmotoy I certainly think there's some of that, but I think it's also disappointment that even some stuff Elon himself said would make it into 6 are missing from the release notes (valet mode, altitude/wind-based navigation), and that some of the stuff that DID make it seems like it would be pretty far down most people's priority lists (car naming, calendar). I would have hoped they'd give some sorely-needed attention to the media app before some of that.
Certainly it's a bit premature to speculate based on beta-version release notes, but I can understand why even some who maintained reasonable expectations would be disappointed.�
Aug 27, 2014
R�B Hoping it comes installed on my late October P85.�
Aug 27, 2014
NigelM Just noting that as Tesla is apparently fixing some Firmware v5.12 bugs with a Firmware v5.14 release it's probably fair to assume we're at least a couple of weeks away from any signs of v6.0 general roll-out.�
Aug 27, 2014
bollar Yeah, at least.
Now that we know that smartphone starting is on the list, the BT firmware will need to work flawlessly -- and I don't any version of 5.xx meets that criterion.�
Aug 27, 2014
FlasherZ I don't think it's been confirmed that BT is required to use the feature... no one has said precisely how it works yet.�
Aug 27, 2014
bollar True.
But if it's something else, then it's going to involve technology that none of us have seen (a new RESTful API perhaps?). Anyway, regardless of how it's executed, this particular feature needs to work 100% of the time, so I'm not surprised if we continue to wait.�
Aug 27, 2014
TexasEV Just because using iPhone to replace key fob was in the one beta release note posted here doesn't necessarily mean it will be in the general release, does it? If it's not working perfectly yet it may be held for the next update.�
Aug 27, 2014
wk057 My money is on 6.0 for New Years!�
Aug 27, 2014
iadbound Which year?�
Aug 27, 2014
NigelM And that comment applies to ALL the features in the beta-gate release notes.�
Aug 27, 2014
bollar True. When do you remove enough features that it becomes a 5.15?�
Aug 27, 2014
NigelM Haha, of course there could also be additional features that weren't even included in that version of the beta v6.0; but we've through that in the other thread.
Most owners still seem to be on v5.9 as .11 had bugs, .12 had fixes but more new bugs and we now seem to have .14 to fix those bugs. I'm definitely no SW expert of any kind but it occurs to me that Tesla probably wants/needs a stable base to build v6.0 upon, never mind the additional complexity of new app features and security.�
Aug 27, 2014
wk057 As long as they enable go-go-gadget-helicopter for the I-95 traffic I think all will be well.�
Aug 28, 2014
Mike_Schlechter The Jewish New Year (Rosh Hashanah) is September 25/26; maybe then?
V6.0 just in time for 5775!
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Aug 28, 2014
Morristhecat September 9 @ 10:00am, in parallel with apples presentation, due to the new feature with using the iphone as a key.�
Aug 28, 2014
Perfect_Flaw Based on the "Tesla Timeline", version 6.0 should be released by the year 2046 along with the 500 mile range battery pack. The (severely delayed) Model 3 will be celebrating its 24th year in production, and the Gigafactory will have finally opened its doors only 3 years prior to the 6.0 release.�
Aug 28, 2014
brianman No, it doesn't.
If 100% uptime is your criteria for features then you'd be waiting a long time for a car to be delivered at all:
- accelerator doesn't work when airborne
- brakes don't work when airborne
- AM/FM radio doesn't work in some regions and in bad weather
- internet (slacker, maps, browser, etc.) doesn't work in areas that don't have 3G coverage
- key fob doesn't work reliably when close to strong signal towers
- etc.
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Aug 28, 2014
ken830 I don't believe the phone-starting-car feature has to be flawless. The leaked release notes said that using the phone app to start the car is there "in case you forget your keyfob" and not as a replacement for your keyfob. That note alone suggests that the the process of doing so won't be as convenient as the keyfob. I'm guessing, there will be extra security or other verification mechanisms that you will have to jump through to start the car. And it will be intended as an occasional-use case for when you actually forget your keyfob.�
Aug 28, 2014
TexasEV If this feature does become available, I would never depend on it and travel without the keyfob. What if my iPhone was lost or stolen?�
Aug 28, 2014
bollar We'll have to agree to disagree. IMO, an alternative accelerator or brake needs to work 100% of the time.
Similarly, I believe an alternative key needs to work 100% of the time.
The others I agree with you.�
Aug 28, 2014
bollar Dunno. What would you do if your key was lost or stolen? At least you can remotely disable the iPhone.�
Aug 28, 2014
NigelM Wait till you forget/lose your key and you find the app isn't working; I'm sure you'll be completely understanding when Tesla Service line tells you "Oh, you weren't expecting it to work 100% of the time were you?" :tongue:�
Aug 28, 2014
AmpedRealtor Tesla's ability to start the car is in the app itself, it can be done today. It does not rely on anything new from Apple.�
Aug 29, 2014
dsmith2189 you forgot the model X that will have been in Beta for 34 years...�
Aug 29, 2014
bollar If it is tied to Apple, then look to an October release. I don't think we will see iOS 8 before then.�
Aug 29, 2014
NigelM Mod Note: bunch of posts went here - Fruit vs Automatons - Phone discussion
I guess this thread is a little frivolous in nature, but please try to stay on topic. Thanks.�
Aug 30, 2014
brianman I plan to turn off the feature if I can without turning off REST. So, no, that won't be an issue for me.�
Aug 30, 2014
NigelM But you'd agree that for those owners that do like the feature, it is pretty important that it works 100% of the time?
On topic: I'm certain this is just one of the reasons for us not seeing the new FW yet.�
Aug 30, 2014
brianman No. No real feature works 100% of the time. I'm not a fan of putting fantasy requirements on feature requests or expectations.
Should features be reasonably reliable under normal operating conditions? Sure. Tesla has done a good job with that so far, IMO, and I expect them to continue doing so.�
Aug 30, 2014
NigelM So you'd be ok with keyless starting not working 100% of the time?
(Sorry for being pedantic, nothing personal)�
Aug 30, 2014
brianman Yes, for ~21 months so far.�
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