Apr 5, 2009
Cobos I thought I'd look at a few ICE premium cars and select the features and options that I want the Model S to have at least as an option. I'll admit my categorization isn't very well thought out.
Luxury and comfort features
*Nice non-leather seat option
*Modest wheels in size and looks
*UV and IR repellant windows
*Cornering headlights (headllights follow curves)
*Headlight washers
*Sunroof
*Lots of small extra lights, reading lights for backseat, inside compartments etc. LED lights only obviously
*Adaptive cruise control
*Folding and auto-dimming outside mirrors with memory feature
*Rear parking assist, camera or simply accoustic measure
*Auto-Dimming rear-view mirror
*Several small compartments in the trunk
*Grocery bag hooks and 12V outlets in the trunk
*Electrically telescoping and height adjusted steering wheel
*Heated seats and chilled/ventilated seats.
*Electrically adjusted seats with memory
*Factory mounted and removable towing head
*Oil/gasoline powered car-heater
*User adjustable suspension settings
*Multi-zone climate control
*Heated rear view and front windows
*ISOFIX child seat fixing points in rear
*Outside temperature measurement
*Decent sound system as standard
*Sun blinds for rear seats
Security features
*Remote locking
*Anti-theft warning system and immobiliser
Safety features
*Tire pressure monitor
*Blind spot monitor
*ABS and ESC/ESP
*Brake Assist
*Lane departure warning system
*IR camera
Of course I would like if they can offer this on the Model S, but it's pretty sure I can't afford that. But which if these features does people think should be in the basic package? Any features I've missed?
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Apr 5, 2009
Rheazombi i really like the plug in the trunk idea...
* I think with EVs, doing away with the cigarette lighter car charger idea entirely would be pretty cool. Just have actual outlets in the car that run off the battery.
* As I've said before, having some sort of solar power on the roof, etc. would seal the deal for me.
A lot of those features you mentioned sound pretty cool, but I'm not sure I would pay extra for them. A lot of mine are bordering on fantasy tho...
* The Model S also better have a standard USB port not just some stupid iPod port. Not sure if this was mentioned somewhere?
* And a pet peeve of mine is when cars don't have a line-in for headphones (if your mom/gf/etc doesn't want to listen to your Yanni music blasting...). It's such a simple thing to add! *grr*
* A totally superfluous add-on, but totally doable in an EV would be some sort of cooler/warmer for coffee/food. I know.. battery draining, and I would personally never get it, but a cool(!) idea.
* A dream function of mine is some sort of collision detection technology which can calculate your acceleration and whether you would physically be able to stop in time, aiding you in pressing the breaks (is this even a real thing?)
* James Bond upgrade: some sort of infrared/night vision that helps you see all the aminals at night so you don't hit them. :smile::smile:
* XY/directional/rear/front speaker capability.
* Being able to close/open the foot vents as well (assuming conventional AC)
* auto window raising/lowering (for all windows)
* Rear windshield wipers
* Non-fogging windows!! (again...please tell me this a real thing!)
* A quiet and a loud horn
* Any cool custom sounds would be a geeky plus :biggrin:
* Totally customizable center display.. GUI, OS, firmware "hacks", etc. Could you play DVDs on it? (these things are usually better for the back seaters...)
* A sleepy-detector thing, that measures your eye-lid movements and can determine when you're about to fall asleep and wakes you up. (these things exist, but I don't think they come with cars)
Of course, I'm not implying any of these should be free with the base price!
Also, I REALLY hope they let you pick your options individually, and not give you "options packages" ...urg�
Apr 5, 2009
Kevin Harney Well two things that I really like on my current car are the windshield wipers that come on by themselves and adjust their speed by themselves. And the headlights that come on by themselves. I agree on the outlets. Why not just have AC outlets in the car. That would even allow you to vacuum the car from the car with no extention cord. I have an outlet in the back of my car and I thought it was a really cool idea to have but I have to say that I have never used it in 5 years. But good idea all the same. I think I would like to take the Park assist to the next level - have the car park itself. Both parallel and backing in. There is collision detection NOW and that should be standard IMHO as is IR night vision for animals and people as standard equipment. Sleep detector is available NOW and should also be standard. I think that MOST of these features are completely doable at this time without reinventing the wheel and I would even say that MOST of them should be standard - especially 2-3 years from now. One thing I like that I don't have now is mirrors that fold automatically when you park the car. Mine fold but are manual - sigh ....
Also I would love to see something similar to Volvo's city stop feature that stops the car before an accident. and expand it to the highway. If the car in front of you SLAMS ON THE BRAKES your car will stop at the same rate. My last collision was because of this and had I had this feature it would have avoided the accident. I could not react fast enough. Some would say I was following too closely instead - but it can't possibly be my fault
I see no need for a gas/oil heater. that is a no brainer !!!!!�
Apr 5, 2009
Cobos I might add nothing on my list is science fiction all the stuff has been taken off a quick look at the Audi, Mercedes and BMW equipment list.
Rheazombi:
* A dream function of mine is some sort of collision detection technology which can calculate your acceleration and whether you would physically be able to stop in time, aiding you in pressing the breaks (is this even a real thing?)
- This exists, I beleive the new Volvos and the Lexus LS600 has this.
* auto window raising/lowering (for all windows)
* Rear windshield wipers
- Obviously an oversight on my part not to include that in the list
* James Bond upgrade: some sort of infrared/night vision that helps you see all the aminals at night so you don't hit them.
- BMW has had this on their old 7 series I beleive and the new Merc S series has this as well.
* A totally superfluous add-on, but totally doable in an EV would be some sort of cooler/warmer for coffee/food. I know.. battery draining, and I would personally never get it, but a cool(!) idea.
- This is actually pretty normal for one of the glove boxes, at least the cooling effect.
* A sleepy-detector thing, that measures your eye-lid movements and can determine when you're about to fall asleep and wakes you up. (these things exist, but I don't think they come with cars)
- Sure do, I beleive it was at least in the LS600 and possible newer Volvos as well
Kevin Harney:
Yes rain sensors are a must on modern cars, even basic Fords have that.
I skipped the full parking assist as I assume that would be very costly to develop, and with proper cameras even I who suck at parking I fail to see the need. A solution like VW has on their cars where the camera is hidden inside their logo and only pops up when you put it in reverse sounds actually very usefull as it will protect the lense from dirt.
Gas heater makes lots of sense for proper cold weather. You need a decent 2-3kW heater to really make a dent in cold weather. Considering the cost of the current Roadster battery where you almost pay $1 per kW in battery replacement costs you don't want to unecissarily put strain on the battery. Not to mention it drasticly reduces range. And a Webasto is like 90% efficient at turning fuel into heat. I agree that should be in a "winter package" which is usually only needed in cold markets. But it is important, with the heated windows and seats etc.
I realise you want the electric folding mirrors WITH memory together with a seat with memory. Then whenever you use your key the seats and steering wheel adjusts and the mirrors fold outwards. Now THAT is luxury in my book
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Apr 5, 2009
vfx Hud!!
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Apr 5, 2009
TEG Old Wishlist Thread
(Nightvision HUD was mentioned there)
Reviews OnLine Auto: Technology Update of Cadillac's Night Vision
Cadillac Night Vision System KeyWordsThermoelectric Cooler TEC Peltier)
At this point, I think TM has a big challenge just to get what they have already shown into production on time, so I hope they don't get sidetracked by too many bells and whistles. Perhaps something for a few years into production.�
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Apr 5, 2009
roblab Model S wishes
Having driven electric for several years, and remembering Elon's remark about this being the only car you'll need, I know there are times you need to use the car as a pickup. You gotta haul the old water heater to the dump. You need to pick up a tree at the nursery. YOU NEED A TRAILER and a hitch. I have a beautiful little aluminum trailer, class I, that does all these little jobbies wonderfully well. And even though my Prius and my RAV4EV both cautioned against towing, we did anyway. I haul my tandem bike, which is 10 feet long, on another lightweight trailer.
It would be better if the Tesla was actually engineered for towing light weight packages. Surely there's enough torque! The engineers can find the best frame points and even make the hitch receiver out of aluminum to keep weight down. Maybe make them like in Europe where they fold out of sight and don't affect the 5mph bumpers....�
Apr 5, 2009
Cobos I might add I already mentioned this with this line:
*Factory mounted and removable towing head
Either foldaway or removable. And I agree any full-use car needs a towing capacity of at least 500lbs and hopefully 1000lbs. I'm not going to tow a racecar or a Roadster, just my furniture when I'm moving and other big items. So I completely agree. And looking at other EVs there's no reason the Model S shouldn't be able to take a light trailer.
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Apr 5, 2009
mt2 According to the description, you should be able to fit these things in a Model S. But there are some things, like the ones you mention, that you just don't stick into a $50,000 car. So, yeah, I agree.�
Apr 5, 2009
Rheazombi Yay! I'm glad to see my sordid car fantasies be proven true afterall :biggrin:
I agree that any add-on involving increased safety shouldn't be an add-on at all and should come standard with the car.
Many of the cars people mentioned having these features (standard or not) seemed to be higher end luxury cars, so I REALLY hope the Model S will go the same route.
Then again, if the Model S is 60K, I don't know if it's fair to compare it to 200K sedans... (not that I actually know the price of any cars), but I can dream can't I??:smile:
edit: I was also thinking that the collision detection really is a 100% MUST for the Model S, considering people's fears (unfounded or not) that EVs are so silent you won't hear them coming. I assume collision detection would apply to kids randomly running out into the middle of the road, as well as cars?? It would at least calm some people down. (This is the one reason my mom won't buy an EV yet... tho I'm trying to slowly convince her otherwise :smile�
Apr 8, 2009
Michael I recently saw an ad for the Volvo V60 collision avoidance system which stops the car before a collision. Sounds like a nice standard or even option.�
Apr 15, 2009
malcolm Turn on Defrost from the key fob while the car is off and parked/locked/alarmed.
Since the car knows the outside temperature and the power of its own heater, it would be nice if it can signal back to the key fob when the cabin is up to temperature and all windows/mirrors are clear.
If the owner is delayed then maybe the defrost can switch from full power down to a lower "holding pattern" to prevent the car icing up again.�
Apr 15, 2009
efusco This would be esp. nice if it could be done while the car is still on the charger as well so it doesn't significantly deplete the battery.�
Apr 15, 2009
doug That's a nice feature idea and should be easily implemented in software given the Model S interface. More likely to work from your iPhone than a key fob, though.�
Apr 20, 2009
malcolm Yeah, that's another interesting idea. A bit like Tesla's "Storage" option on the VDS; the car could be set to maintain itself above freezing if it is being recharged out of doors or in a garage and the ambient temperature falls below a preset limit.
Maybe that happens anway since the battery does require active cooling on recharge - certainly at the higher currents. That heat from the battery has to go somewhere - why not use it?
But even when charging is finished, the car is still connected and could keep itself a few degrees above zero.
Of course an appropriate design of car cover (car-cozy?) for the mirrors and windows would consume less electric energy.
Mittens for mirrors?�
Apr 20, 2009
efusco Taking it a step further...
Elon's already described the center console as a "built in laptop". Why not be able to program the car to use the plug-energy to turn on a heater in the car (and for the battery pack?) at a preset time...say 6:00 am if I leave around 7am in the morn. for work?
I would be darn nice to get in the car nicely pre-heated yet with a fully charged battery. Maintaining temp would require a lot less juice than bringing it up to temp.�
Apr 20, 2009
efusco Someone ask about this stuff (winter package) when they go to the NY show. Since there'll be a lot of cars in the cooler climates with the NY and Chicago stores going live.�
May 2, 2009
walk_n_wind Front license plate mount
A clean, integrated, well-designed front license plate mount. And a weatherproof charging connector/harness (maybe they already are?).�
Jun 13, 2009
dsm363 Some sort of iPhone app to monitor car location, status of battery charging...etc would be cool too.�
Jun 13, 2009
xcelero.ii I feel all my suggestions should be standard except for the upgraded key fob.
Optional Upgraded Long-range Key Fob
w/ audible and vibration-based alerts and LED indicator lights
-- The key fob would be able to communicate back to the driver using tones, vibrations and/or lights on the key fob.
Folding Keys
-- Keys that fold into the fob with push button release. (VW/Audi)
Push Button Start
-- When key fob is present in cabin, START is enabled. No key needs to be inserted.
Selective Unlocking.
-- Press unlock on the key fob to unlock and extend the driver's side door and handle.
-- Press unlock again to unlock and extend all doors and handles.
Auto Locking.
-- All doors are locked when key fob travels "x distance" away from car. Feature can be disabled with switch on driver's side.
Key Fob iPhone App
-- An application for the iPhone that can completely take the place of the *optional* upgraded key fob. And bring real time information to the driver about the car even while on vacation.
New Clean Layout for Infotainment.
-- More along the lines of an iPhone (see attached below)*
Beautiful Startup Tones.
-- Having the car greet you and welcome you to tesla
-- With the ability to be customized.
Auto Climate Key Fob Button
-- Press the climate button on the *optional* upgraded key fob to activate the cars auto climate mode which detects outside and inside cabin temperature, adjusts to your comfort and convenience level and sends a vibration and audible alert to the key fob when ready. (mentioned already but wanted to elaborate)
Favorites already mentioned:
Comfort & Convenience:
*Lots of small extra LED interior lights, reading lights, inside compartments etc.
*Power folding + auto-dimming side-view mirrors w/ memory.
*Auto Up/Down for all windows
*Standard home power outlets in trunk.
Safety & Security:
*Collision monitoring and assist.
*Blind spot + lane changing monitor.
*Anti-Snooze monitoring and assist.
*Click attachment below.�
Jun 13, 2009
xcelero.ii Almost forgot one.
Find My Tesla
-- In the event your tesla is stolen, send an All Systems Kill/Theft Mode command to the car that will lock all functions, initiate a 911 emergency call, and transmit GPS location, along with a loud audible horn and flashing lights.
Not sure if it's possible to steal a Tesla with some of the ideas some of have...but just in case!�
Jun 13, 2009
xcelero.ii The 3rd generation Prius has an AC button on the key fob now.
The 3rd Generation Prius
Click on the Feature video on the solar roof at the upper right.�
Jun 13, 2009
dsm363 Especially since the car isn't coming out for at least 2 years, I would hope the Model S has many of the same features (like solar roof..etc) as the Prius given that it costs twice as much. This is going to be one cool car and can be a tech breakthrough I think if done correctly. They may have to cut back some as they're trying to keep price down.�
Jun 14, 2009
efusco The remote AC would be nice, but the solar roof, in particular, could be great if it powerers a battery cooling system or at least helped keep the pack cool in very hot weather.
The way it's wired in the Prius the solar roof does NOTHING except power the vents when the car is OFF and sitting in the hot sun. The rest of the time you're hauling around about 65lbs of PV roof that does nothing. If Tesla could harness that power to help run accessories, fans, etc., while the car is in use, it might help extend range a tad.�
Jun 14, 2009
dsm363 I agree. That's a good idea and should at least be an option if not standard on the Signature Series. Anything to extend the range would be nice.�
Jun 14, 2009
AnOutsider Will the car have Wifi though?
Kind of defeats the purpose then doesn't it? Unless you mean the other key would be used for like trunk access etc.
Great idea, but again, I think this would require Wifi no? And maintaining a wifi connection could be battery consuming, not to mention buggy when it comes to maintaining connections -- and NO connection when out and about.
I guess if zipcar did it though, they can as well somehow.
Ditto all these�
Jun 14, 2009
dsm363 I wouldn't think it would require WiFi but not sure. Since they're planning on putting a 3G cell phone receiver in the Model S, your iPhone would simply connect to the internet then some sort of interface with the Model S would need to happen.�
Jun 14, 2009
AnOutsider Ah, didn't think about that.�
Jun 14, 2009
dsm363 The Model S will make the best iPhone accessory in history.�
Jun 14, 2009
xcelero.ii @AnOutsider: Good point.
To elaborate; the key would be neatly tucked away in the fob (similar to VW/Audi) but would be used in the event of battery failure on the fob. The driver would use the actual key to unlock the Model S.
And the actual point of insertion may perhaps, as you said, live on the trunk or some other semi-hidden part of the car.
@dsm363: You are correct and this is how I perceive my suggested iPhone App would talk to the Model S!
Ditto!�
Jun 14, 2009
vfx Keyless entry is a must. Sadly the Roadster does not have it (or keyless start) but it does have a hidden key slot outside in case of a battery problem.�
Jun 14, 2009
xcelero.ii @vfx
Oh, I totally agree! The only option the key would serve is for emergency and battery problems.
EM said he wants the fob to send a signal to the car to unlock and extend the door handles when the driver get "x distance" near the car.
The only problem with that is what If I only want the driver side door to be unlocked and handle to extend. For me. this is a need wether for security or convenience.
I prefer "selective unlocking" as was detailed earlier.
Any thoughts?�
Jun 14, 2009
xcelero.ii What should the Model S keyfob look like? Oval, Square, Triangle/Diamond?
Should it have proximity sensors or user-controlled buttons or both?
Many options, eh?
I threw together some basic layouts/diagrams of two suggested "Tesla SmartFobs". See attached below. There are very 1-D. :biggrin:�
Jun 14, 2009
johnr I just don't get the retracting door handles. They couldn't possibly improve aerodynamics by any significant amount and they've gotta cause all sorts of added cost and complication.
And about the keyless entry - that of course is an absolute must - every new car I know of has this very basic feature.
@xcelero.ii: The TF2 is my preference, I like the oval shape. Also I might suggest the "lock" button be raised, the "unlock" and "climate" buttons lowered, and then I'd dispense with the "trunk" button.
I really don't like the idea of placing a "trunk" button on a keyfob, although some manufacturers do it - the button can accidentally get pressed when the keyfob is in your pocket making the trunk pop open, but the trunk cannot close and relock itself automatically. It's just inviting theives to come inside. Accidentally unlocking the doors is never a problem because they automatically lock themselves after a few seconds - but the trunk can't.
I like the climate control function and display panel. It would be nice while waiting for the car to charge up at a mall or restaurant to be able to glance at the key fob and confirm that it's charging and how much time is left. Being able to remotely start the A/C will be a very handy feature as well here since it gets awfully hot in the summer!�
Jun 14, 2009
AnOutsider I like TF2.. especially the little LCD. Would be cool to have it be a color screen like say an iPod vs a simple monochrome LCD.
Not a fan of auto-lowering hatch. I'm capable of closing my own doors thank you very much
Maybe someone from TM will read your posts and decide to hire you as a UI designer�
Jun 15, 2009
xcelero.ii @johnr: I love the retracting door handles!
I used to sketch cars as a child and many of my designs an ideas were pretty fanciful and this feature is not only wicked cool and arguably a performance enhancement, it's also sort of nostalgic for me. And I think it creates buzz.
I see your concern with the TRUNK button.
To overcome this, the TRUNK button could be programmed only to operate in the event that; a: the key fob is within "x distance" of the car and b: is pressed and held for more than 2 seconds.
@AnOutsider: A color display would be nice!
Make it an OLED backlit display and now we're talking! This would require the use of a rechargeable batteries which may turn people off; unless, there was some sort of fob holster in the car that would also charge the SmartFob simultaneously.
Perhaps the Power Hatch should be an option. I personally enjoy the idea of having one. I live in a very Jetsons sort of world! :biggrin:
Me? A job at Tesla? Excuse me while I pick my jaw up off the floor. :redface: It's a very humbling and gracious suggestion. And I have already sent all of these ideas to Tesla Motors!
I think so far we all prefer TF2 and I agree as well. So I made some alterations to TF2 and also created a smaller TF3 that is void of a TRUNK button.
In the case of the TF3, the absence of a TRUNK button lends itself to one of two ideas.
1 � The Hatch on the Model S has an electronic TOUCH button akin to the door handles on the Roadster that when pressed will lift the Hatch. The TOUCH button is only active when the car is set to UNLOCK.
2 � The trunk on the Model S has a semi-concealed manual handle that allows manual opening and closing of the hatch once the car is set to UNLOCK.
Also; priority is given to the UNLOCK button instead of LOCK because these concepts assume that Model S will automatically lock and arm itself when the SmartFob travels "x distance" away from the car. This virtually erases the need to manually lock the car.
The complete Tesla SmartFob Layout including TF3 is attached below.�
Jun 15, 2009
dsm363 The TF3 is the best I think. No need for a separate trunk button. It could simply be unlocked when all the doors are unlocked or if the unlock button is held down for 4 or 5 seconds.
The remote could have 2 batteries I guess. A small one to open the doors and a rechargeable one for the screen. Not sure if that is possible or practical. Don't think people would be too keen on having to charge their car remote but you never know.�
Jun 15, 2009
vfx Yes to the trunk button. A two second hold works file. The Modle S prototype already had auto open (and I think, close) so they are already thinking about all of this.�
Jun 15, 2009
Arnold Panz I think this is a must -- even cheap cars today have the trunk button on the remote, and a 2 second delay works. The key (no pun intended) is to have an accompanying sound (two beeps usually works) so that you know if you're nearby that it's happening, and the button closes and locks the trunk as well. I have it on my Lexus RX 400h remote and my wife's Mercedes R500 and it's a lifesaver with your hands full (groceries, kids, etc.).�
Jun 15, 2009
johnr @xcelero.ii:
Yes the retracting door handles are cool, I totally agree on that - and I'm sure they create a lot of buzz - but the practicality is nearly zero and it's one more moving part to potentially break down.
Regarding the trunk button, if it's programmed like you suggest I have no problem with that. But if the car and trunk would unlock by proximity and the trunk can open by touch that solves the problem too.
Looking at TF3 I do like that design, it's so simple and uncluttered it could easily be operated by feel in the dark. Oh, here's a suggestion - make the display with a backlight (and the buttons too for that matter), and maybe tapping on the display or pressing a button will make the backlight turn on for a few seconds so you can read it in the dark.�
Jun 15, 2009
AnOutsider TF3 FTW
Well, aside from doing wireless electric like the original Tesla (Nikola), you could also have a slot behind the steering wheel where a normal key would go. It wouldn't be necessary to have the key in there to start the car, but if it IS in there, it can be charged.
My girlfriend's Murana has this. As long as the key is in the car, she can turn the ignition without it being in it (it's a knob), but you can also stick the key into the slot if that's just what you're used to.�
Jun 15, 2009
dsm363 That would work. As long as the keyless entry and start functions didn't require charging the key fob (had a secondary regular battery like standard key fobs do), then I think that would work well.�
Jun 15, 2009
efusco It's a luxury car and we're paying a luxury car price. Owner satisfaction, potential for attracting new buyers, etc. will be much greater with whiz-bang features like this when you're paying that price. A manually operated key and push button door handles would probably save a bit of $$, but that's not going to attract the target audience.
Part of the reason the Prius II was so hugely successful and that the Prius III will be as well is that they had not only a cutting edge and efficient drive train strapped to a stripped down Corolla, but they included features not yet found on most luxury cars. When I got my Prius I bought a rolling technology laboratory and I LOVED it. You do not want old school hardware on a cutting edge vehicle.
Bluestar may be a little different story...but I bet not much different. It'll be scaled back from the Model S, but I bet they still follow Toyota's lead by including features above and beyond the average family sedan. It makes you feel better about paying the "premium" for the EV.�
Jun 15, 2009
AnOutsider I'm honestly confused by this post. Maybe I need to clarify... the fob would have a battery, and instead of having to replace it or plug it into a charger at home, your fob could idly charge when in the car.
There's no getting around the fact that a key fob would need a battery -- whether replaceable or rechargeable. I'm merely suggesting a cool way to do the latter.
*edit* well-said efusco�
Jun 15, 2009
rsquared99 How about adding a small ICE to the key fob in case the battery is depleted and you can't get to a plug-in for a time?�
Jun 15, 2009
dsm363 I think recharging it in the car is an excellent idea.
I just meant that if there was going to be an OLED screen that drains a fair amount of power, I wouldn't want it to drain the key fob dry too quickly leaving the key fob without power to perform its main function (opening the doors). The battery in my key fob for the Volvo I own has lasted a few years. If, with the OLED screen, you had to remember to charge it every few days or it stopped functioning, I would prefer not to have the OLED screen or be able to turn it off. That's why a battery dedicated to the simple act of opening the doors independent of the OLED screen would be nice.�
Jun 15, 2009
AnOutsider ohhh, I got ya now. Yeah, fair point. I'm fine with a basic LCD (color or monochrome) for practicality's sake, I think it was just on xcelero's wishlist to make it OLED. Fair point though.�
Jun 15, 2009
johnr I still think the display and the buttons should light up.
And about the batteries ... well, I've never had to change a key fob battery. Usually you'd buy a new car before the key fob battery wears out. LOL�
Jun 15, 2009
efusco OK, can we dream since this is a "wish list"?
The Toyota Crown Luxury Sedan (Japan only) has a Prius-like Smart Key System (ie. approach the car, the interior lights, up, touch the hand and the car unlocks, sit down and press start to turn on the car, etc.). But they have an optional Wrist Watch you can buy that has the fob built into it!! Thus you never worry about finding your keys. You put on your nice Tesla wrist watch every morning and never give a second thought to keys/fobs anything.
That is what I want. Throw in a cheap plastic thing with a mechanical key and buttons for a back-up or for my wife or whatever. But give me the classy watch that doubles as my car "key".
News Release 2005/TOKAI RIKA CO., LTD.
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Jun 15, 2009
vfx Von Holtzhausen will read this and and explode with excitement at the possibility of designing a watch to go with his car.�
Jun 15, 2009
dsm363 The watch would be pretty neat. Cool idea.�
Jun 15, 2009
AnOutsider Watch in tesla logo shape ftw!�
Jun 15, 2009
Cobos I just realised that the Model S doesn't have any side protection against rampant doors and car-park-pillars. I'm of course talking of the small band of rubber or plastic most cars have to protect against dings from when a car parked nearby opens their door. If Franz can get it to look nice I would really like that, otherwise I might as well set aside some money to completely redo the paint every year
Cobos�
Jun 16, 2009
malcolm So should the fob be a USB (rechargeable) dongle with buttons?
Could use it to store all sorts of personalised settings.
Same for the Tesla wristwatch - without the USB connector�
Jun 16, 2009
dsm363 I think some metallic contact points at the base where you put the key fob into a recessed area on the center console to charge it, keep it in place while you drive would be cool. It could talk over bluetooth I guess but that could be a power drain. Maybe USB would be better since you wouldn't need to change the settings that often.�
Jun 16, 2009
Arnold Panz I'm already planning on putting Dent Wizard on retainer. :wink:�
Jun 16, 2009
walk_n_wind Agreed 100%. All I can think of is the fact that the side mirrors are there - as long as those remain, I find minor tweaks like the retracting door handles hardly worth the money.�
Jun 16, 2009
AnOutsider You could always use one of those big silly things that you hang on your door to prevent dents.
As for the watch, I guess all it would need is RFID�
Jun 16, 2009
malcolm They do seem to have a thing with unconventional door handles. Let's hope they're reliable in cold weather�
Jun 16, 2009
walk_n_wind It's one thing to design an aerodynamic door handle. But a retracting one as an option for additional cost? I think they were just going for the 'wow' factor...�
Jun 16, 2009
ChargeIt! Good point ... but they probably include a heating element, right ?�
Jun 16, 2009
dsm363 I agree the door handles are just for 'wow' factor but isn't that what this car is? They need to create buzz to stand out in the market and it is a premium car so I'm all for it. Of course when it breaks after a year and costs $1000 to fix, I might say something different but it does look cool.�
Jun 16, 2009
EV_de @walk_n_wind:
absolute Right, nice gimmick , but I hope TM uses more practical and reliable 'old Style' door handle's.
seems not very practical on daily usage:
YouTube - Tesla Model S Walk Around and Features.�
Jun 16, 2009
xcelero.ii @retractable door handle conversation: Everyone has a gimmick. BMW iDrive, Toyota Prius solar roof that only activates the AC and nothing else. Lexus, the car that can park itself.
If you think back, automatic tailgates were gimmicky then too. And now people can't get enough.
And at this price point, at this stage in the game and from this company, I think people are expecting to see cutting edge tech, both practical and fanciful.
That said, I like the handles even if the don't add an ounce of practicality.
Now onto more MOCKUPS!
Tesla SmartWatch
There were some posts earlier that had expressed interest in a watch that doubled as a key fob and I rather liked the idea myself.
The latest mocks along with all the previous and ever�hanging versions are now available at the website below!
And guys thanks for all the good discussion around the concepts!
Tesla Motors Concepts
http://www.teslamotorsconcepts.com/�
Jun 16, 2009
vfx Nice work. I'm glad your PDFs are now online. I did not want to download them before. (Though I would like it better to have them open as new pages)
Some good ideas in there. I hope Tesla is watching.�
Jun 16, 2009
dsm363 Nice work xcelero.ii. Hope you get a job at Tesla if that's what you want.�
Jun 16, 2009
xcelero.ii @vfx: thanks. PDFs now open in separate window. I hope so too!
@dsm363: thanks very much. I hope so to! One can only dream, right?�
Jun 16, 2009
AnOutsider For the smartwatch, perhaps consider a shape like TW1 but inverted so that the thicker end is at the top. Might make for a cool Tesla logo shaped watch (their arched T). Also, I think all buttons should be kept to the side of the watch and not on the face.
As for power... why not go kinetic�
Jun 16, 2009
Arnold Panz xcelero.ii,
Let me add to the kudos. Excellent designs and concepts. I'm particularly glad to see you focusing on the layout of the touchscreen. I know firsthand the difference between a well laid out control panel and a poorly laid out one, and it can make all the difference.
I can't wait to see what you come up with next!�
Jun 16, 2009
xcelero.ii @AnOutsider: With respect to the buttons, their exact placement is based on the ability to operate the fob without glancing while minimizing the click of the wrong button. Just the idea behind it but thanks for the suggestions, I'll play around with placement and an inverted SmartWatch and post anything new! :biggrin:
@Arnold Panz: Thank you. How very kind of you! Yes, I am still toying with the displays and will post as there are new ones. :redface:�
Jun 16, 2009
efusco xcelero, Why not shape the watch similar to the Tesla Logo (inverted rounded triangle)? It would be immediately recognizable from a distance.�
Jun 16, 2009
AnOutsider
*ahem* :biggrin:�
Jun 16, 2009
xcelero.ii @SmartWatch conversation: I suspect that I have another project for this early AM. I better get to work. :biggrin:�
Jun 17, 2009
efusco My wife reminded me tonight to have you be sure to include a/some ladies style watch(s) in your design set as well.�
Jun 17, 2009
xcelero.ii Hehe! I sure will try! :redface:
Here is the latest.
I have added another version of the iControl (Ti2) and version in color (Ti2 Color). Check it out by clicking the link below and selecting View PDF next to iControl.
Tesla iControl Concept�
Jun 17, 2009
vfx As long as we are playing.
Outside temp at top.�
Jun 17, 2009
xcelero.ii I actually like it in its present location.
All controls related to temperature and climate are located in that area, and so it seem natural to have that information there. Just my thoughts.�
Jun 17, 2009
mt2 My thought on the key fob climate control is that since you are detecting the outside temperature as well, have it adjust to some differential between the indoor and outdoor temperature to save energy.
For instance, assume the driver likes 71 degrees all year round. Say it is 30 degrees outside. In this case, clicking the key fob climate control will bring the car to, say, 50 or 60 degrees. That's still plenty warm enough when you get in, and the car will warm to 71 degrees after it is started. If it's 90 degrees outside, maybe just cool it to 78 until the driver gets in.
Not only will that consume less energy when it's not absolutely needed, but it will reduce the thermal shock of suddenly entering an environment that is 30 or 40 degrees different.�
Jun 17, 2009
xcelero.ii So in essence, incorporating a gradual climate system. Sounds good.�
Jun 18, 2009
Kevin Harney Would it be more efficient to keep the car at a certain temp while you are gone and not try to bring the temp down fast at the end ? Say in the summer keeping the car at 80 degrees while you are gone. That way getting in from the hot outside it would never seem like a huge temp difference. I know that some Mercedes and other cars will take the engine heat in the winter and push it into the cabin while the car is off therefore keeping it warmer longer as less cold when you get back in.�
Jun 18, 2009
AnOutsider I think I agree with VFX. Keep the controls at the bottom, but where you have the date, carrier and other icons at the very top, a quick note on current temperature would be nice as well. Redundant? Yes. Useful? Absolutely.�
Jun 18, 2009
xcelero.ii Outside Temp added to top and Inside Temp replaces it's previous location.
Click below for PDF.
http://www.teslamotorsconcepts.com/media/icontrol_concept.pdf�
Jun 18, 2009
xcelero.ii Weird...
The posts got flipped around. Dunno how that happened but it's just as well.. :tongue:�
Jun 18, 2009
vfx Then leave it. At the top you have wisely included global info about the world. The Temp outside is part of that universe-at-a-glance.�
Jun 18, 2009
xcelero.ii :smile: Based on feedback I think you're original idea of having temp at the top is wise. As "AnOutsider" stated perhaps redundancy is not a bad thing. I'll post the changes soon!�
Jul 16, 2009
Mark Petersen Hi,
Some more ideas for the key
Key with out a Display, as a Second Key
Key with a touch display
Analog clog with 2 buttons Open/Close, Trunk,
can you put some estimate measurements as they seem quit large
also some ideas for the iControle
we need more icons
Web = @
Map = Globe
Car = car
Phone = handset
Music = node
(save real estate)
Mute = just tap the volume bar
Repeat, Random Shuffle, shout just be one icon that change
Play/Pause = just tap the duration bar
<| & |> just tap in the end of the duration bar
Tap the album art to switch between Album / Artist / Radio(FM/AM/Web) / Playlist
It shout be possible to upload Album art for radio stations
The radio must support "RDS" RadioDataSystem hot in EU as it provide Traffic information and Station Id and Alternative frequency Radio Data System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
inside Outside temp, show a picture of a car with a temp in the car and outside the car
In regards to the 2 zone clima, that shout be optional as 99% of the time I drive alone and don't want to adjust both, maybe it shout detect if the second seat is in use and activate the second control the control, use the censor for the seatbelt
Also there is a missing a fan direction (up)
The car shout open the sunroof � when the car get to hot (parked)
If the car is not locked at the key is getting out of range, make a warning sound, so you remember to activate the alarm
For security reason, if you try to lock/leave the car and one of the 7 seat/seatbelt warning censor is activate the car must give a special warning (you forgot the baby/dog in the hot car)
as 10-15 baby's dies each year it hot cars and countless dogs
For security reason the Key must be inside the car before you can drive, so the kids can't make any accident just because you are with in range�
Jul 16, 2009
vfx Back side of key has a simple 3 digit readout.
It would read out miles on charge.
Possible other switchable info. Volts/Amps input, temp, minutes till full at current charge rate, cost for charge (if applicable).�
Jul 20, 2009
tdelta1000 Did a quick scan and I did not see:
a proximity sensor tied to the key fob that unlocks the driver door or all of the doors as the driver walks up to the car.
A vehicle security system that's tied into the key fob being present.�
Aug 10, 2009
ModelSTesla Tesla Motors and Apple Inc.
Taking about an ideal wishlist... a partnership between Tesla Motors and Apple Inc. would be fantastic!
I love the concept of a 17inch infotainment system. But who better to develop a touch screen user interface than Apple!
Apple attempted a VW patnership back in the day of the first iPod. They were a little ahead of the times... but it is now mainstream for people to think about bringing their music into the car.
Apple is in the direction of releasing a 10inch tablet this fall. They are primed to be ready to partner with Tesla Motors and a 17inch infotainment system by 2011. Their app store can be extended into the "car." Where Tesla Motors has special API's for car specific apps or controls of the car!�
Aug 10, 2009
roblab I enjoy your playing with fob designs. I like the shape of the second one most.
It should be as thin as possible. it has to fit in a pocket. I picture it smaller than a cell phone, but these look bigger. Otherwise, the screen needs to be bigger.
What does "release" do? Release the key? Hope they don't give me some bulky thing like the Prius key, over 1/2 inch thick. My cell phone is thinner than that.
And some of us don't live in i-Pod land. We are in the 'burbs and don't get very good coverage of anything. What do I do then? My cell phone has usually one bar at the most.�
Aug 11, 2009
AnOutsider Eh... maybe allow them to design the UI, but please no Apple hands in the pot. I am so sick of them and their closed systems.�
Aug 17, 2009
vfx The Roadster feature that lights up the charge port in different colors and blink rates to tell you how far you have filled the battery is quite handy to tell you where you are in the charge state.
Another great aspect of the lights is that you can see from a distance if your charging is still working when at a strange charge site.
Since you have to be on the driver's side and sometimes relatively close to see if they are on, this could be improved.
I suggest on the next Roadster and the Model S that the colored LEDs are mounted in the tips of the side mounted mirrors like some turn signal indicators (they could even use the amber color "bulbs" as such).
By mounting the charge indicator lights in such a visible spot you could see the charge state from almost any view angle of the cars. Even from above. Of course this feature could be switched off or dialed down like dash lights.
Even the car covers could have translucent fabric tips at the mirror ends.�
Aug 18, 2009
ChargeIt! Great idea! I have a few concerns, though.
a] The feature needs to have a user deactivation feature. Currently, locking the car (Roadster) turns off the charge port lights ... I think that's a good idea for security reasons (charging in an unfamiliar spot when needing to leave the vehicle unattended for some time). The 2010 location of the VDS still may cause undue attention being paid ... the 2008 location is less visible from outside, although certainly not totally inconspicuous. (Hints: improve 2008/2010 firmware to add a user selectable de-activation feature).
b] Don't use the signal lights or any other similar location which the uninitiated could confuse with emergency flashers.
Suggestion: top of the dash and rear-deck ... would look like an alarm system (usually only a small red LED), but could flash different colors too.
Other options
Wireless notification: send me an SMS based on user-selectable profiles (every 10%, every 25%, when it hits x% State-of-Charge). And if charging stops for ANY reason (good or bad).�
Aug 18, 2009
dpeilow Tesla need to do a deal with Terrestar for these situations.�
Aug 19, 2009
Brian H solar, parking
Solar panels are nonsense on a curved auto skin; they add miniscule amounts of energy and weigh more than they're worth. Plus solar cells make lousy exteriors. Stupid idea.
As for parking, program yourself. Here's how (works for ANY size car).
1. Position your car parallel to the one in front of the parking space at 1 m. distance, slightly ahead. Back straight up till your rear wheels are exactly even with that car's.
2. Cut hard in towards the curb while continuing to back up.
3. When the front wheels line up with the parked car's rear wheels, cut hard back the other way, continuing to back up.
4. Your car nose will miss the tail of the other car by mere inches; don't be nervous.
5. Your car will slot in precisely onto the curb.
6. If you are facing uphill, leave the wheels as they are.
7. If you are facing downhill, cut the front wheels in slightly to the curb.
8. If you you are on level ground leave the wheels as is or straighten if you prefer.
9. You've just completed a 1-step parallel park. It's easy. :biggrin:�
Aug 20, 2009
xcelero.ii Thanks for checking out Tesla Motors Concepts guys! These were definitely some interesting ideas!
I've been super busy lately and I am actually going to be moving Tesla Motors Concepts to a more sustainable and WordPress-powered system.
But I will try to read through some of the ideas more thoroughly and respond and do some updates to the concepts.
I'm sure I have already made it known that I am a huge Apple Fanboy and I would love them to partner with Tesla.
Apple being closed is like living in a gated community. The fence is for your protection but you are welcome to come and go as you please.
Either way, I'll post my full responses soon.
Cheers!�
Sep 28, 2009
malcolm Mobile charge cable that comes with a variety of adaptors which all fit into a neat reel/holder with carry handle, maybe with a special slot in the trunk next to the spare tyre?
Alternatively, should the socket in the side of the car actually be one end of the extendable cable? Adaptors plug into it as required. Should it have powered wind and un-wind?
All adds to the vehicle weight, of course.�
Nov 6, 2009
ljbad4life Well my wishlist (some have proably been mentioned before)
Heated and ventilated seats.
Automatic shade for the panaramic sunroof
radar cruise control
a sound system with HD radio (from demos' it sounds like it does have a great sound system)
A Good interface for the touch screen (which it does seem to have)
Customizable instrument panel (dispaly as much or as little info as you want)
back up camera�
Jan 27, 2010
eledille My wishlist:
- An A/C unit that doubles as a heat pump (standard)
- Diesel burner (option)
I need all the 300 mile range...
The Toyota RAV4 EV had a combined AC/heat pump. This ought to come as standard. If Toyota could do that in '97, Tesla can do it fifteen years later.
Fuel burners are the only heating alternative that does not impact range in an EV. Crossing Norway between east and west during winter you may have to wait for hours when wind causes snow to block the roads. The distance is about 270-320 miles. Diesel burners are very efficient (~80-90%) and compact.
These features would be nice:
- Heated steering wheel
- Heated windshield
- Programmable&remote controlled heater�
Jan 28, 2010
AnOutsider lemme guess... you're big on warm?�
Jan 28, 2010
eledille Well, Norwegians usually are, particularly in January
No wonder EVs are popular here, from December through April everyone has to plug in their cars to power the engine block heater anyway...
But seriously, having a heater that does not drain the battery really is necessary. When we visited my wife's parents this christmas, the temperature was about -20 to -25 deg C (-4 to -13 F) and the trip took almost 8 hours due to poor visibility and icy roads. The distance is 430 km (255 miles).
A colleague of mine drove the same route the day after we did, he got stuck for two hours waiting for the road to be cleared. This is commonplace.
An ordinary electric heater like the Roadster has would have burnt off at least 24 kWh shortening the range of the 300 mile battery by 30%. A heat pump would have cut the range reduction to less than 10%, and a diesel heater would not have affected range at all.
Heated steering wheel etc is not really necessary, of course, but after three months you do get rather tired of driving with mittens on. The -25 degrees we had isn't even very cold, many places inland get -40 every winter. I expect the Canadians, Swedes, Finns and Russians will feel the same way.�
Jan 29, 2010
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Jan 29, 2010
eledille trevorlsciact: :biggrin:
The main problem is that you have to cross the mountains to get from east to west or vice versa. Oslo is in the east, Bergen, Stavanger and Haugesund are in the west. And almost everyone has relatives on the other side. Above the tree line during winter you will often have to wait for a snow removal crew to arrive at your side of the mountain crossing, then a few cars cars will follow directly behind them to the other side. In high winds, they sometimes give up and simply close the road. That is unusual, though.
In the Oslo area we usually only get -15 to -18 for a week or so, but this year we've had around -20 for weeks on end. The recorded minimum on our thermometer is now -24.1. But the farther from the sea, the colder it gets. A video from Folldal folldal - Google Maps showing how a cup of boiling water tossed into the air instantly turns to snow in -40 degrees C: Her blir kokende vann til sn�! - nyheter - Dagbladet.no�
Apr 11, 2010
Lush1 How about a 25-75 mile aux battery that could be plugged into a port in the trunk/hood/bonnet...whatever. Like a reserve tank for when you need to go a little further. Make it portable so it could be taken inside the house, hotel room, office, etc and charged privately. Let's face it, it's not always going to be possible to run an extension cord to the car anywhere you are. Small aux batteries to extend the range would sell like hotcakes. Better yet, offer a rental option for these aux batteries. Make them user installable. Make it possible to cascade 2-4. It beats carrying around a Honda generator and you know it's gonna happen. Please don't let it. Give us ways to go 260 miles to Grandma's house with our 230 mile battery.�
Apr 14, 2010
Iz Sounds like a great feature. One issue will be aux battery weight. Considering Leaf�s 100 mile range battery weighs ~ 500 lbs, a 25 mile range (5 kWh) battery would be ~ 125 lbs.
If the aux battery were the size of a standard 12-volt car battery or a very large laptop/cell phone battery with 25 mile range (5 kWh), it would go a long way to reducing range anxiety. Model S will have a lot of storage areas and an aux battery this size would be perfect.
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Apr 14, 2010
PopSmith Something I would really like to see as standard on the Model S is adaptive cruise control were the car will keep pace, including slowing down to a certain extent, with the car in front of you when cruise control is active.
It seems to me that most people slow down and speed up constantly with an average rate of speed of (usually) the speed limit.
This gets annoying when I'm using my cruise control only to have the person in front of me constantly pulling away and then slowing down, which usually results in having to brake, re-accelerate and re-engage the cruise control which almost entirely defeats it's purpose. Having adaptive cruise control is near the top of my "wants" list for the Model S.�
Apr 15, 2010
vfx In my top three as well!�
Apr 15, 2010
mnx Hud
I searched for HUD but came up with nothing, so sorry if it's already been suggested. It'd be great to have a heads up display. Got to see it in action in friends BMW x6m on the weekend, very cool.
Count me in for adaptive cruise control as well. Never had it in a car before, but it sounds great.
- mnx�
Apr 15, 2010
Kevin Harney I have Adaptive Cruise Control in my current BMW and it is the best thing EVER !!! Use it all the time. :biggrin:�
Apr 15, 2010
Lush1 Thanks IZ. That sounds about right. If they could make 20-25 mile batteries and get them under 100lbs apiece and provide ports under the hood to dock a pair of them I think that would be pretty cool. Kind of like a gas can for an ICE vehicle but without the danger of explosion. I don't know about cooling issues or power to weight considerations because I'm not an engineer. I just like the idea. People much smarter than me will have to figure out if it's possible.�
Apr 23, 2010
doug All further comments on Adaptive Cruise Control should go here: http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/cars-transportation/4005-adaptive-cruise-control.html�
May 13, 2010
Tom I would love it if the Tesla Model S, its controlling computer that is, had a scripting language with which we could code programs to communicate with the car. Expert programmers should have low level access to the car's input/output data. For example I would like to have functions that would return wheel RPM, acceleration vector, front wheels angle, accelerator pedal position, etc. Whenever possible the functions should be get/set type. Imagine being able to do something like this (it's just pseudocode):
blrpm = WheelRPM(BACKLEFT)
brrpm = WheelRPM(BACKRIGHT)
maxrpm = max(blrpm,brrpm)
if (blrpm != brrpm)
{
WheelRPM(BACKBOTH) = maxrpm
}
With the eventual possibility of independently controlled four wheel drive and four wheel steering, you could, if you have the knowhow, program the car to improve performance in snow... or do some crazy drifting.�
May 18, 2010
gg_got_a_tesla One word, Tom: Liability! We've seen how Toyota might have gotten it wrong with their throttle system. Making it programmable by the end-user is a serious no-no�
May 19, 2010
eledille The idea of auxiliary batteries that can be added and removed is a good one, but there are a few problems.
You can't just connect a big and a small battery together and run the car off both of them at the same time. That doesn't work. So one would either have to choose which battery to use or the aux battery needs some advanced power electronics to charge the main battery from the aux battery while running the motor off the main battery.
The auxiliary battery would not be able to deliver anywhere near the power of the main battery, so the car would have to go into a crawl mode if running directly off the aux battery.
Charging the main battery from the smaller one would be possible, but probably too expensive.
Besides, I think a generator would be a much better range-anxiety killer - a fuel cell or sterling engine/generator would be a much better range extender than heavy, expensive auxiliary batteries.�
May 19, 2010
dsm363 What about a Bloom Box?:smile:�
May 20, 2010
tdelta1000 Question, now that Tesla has its factory and we were sourced to finalize the wishlist what key items should make the final cut list to make this car ready for the late 2011 production run?�
May 20, 2010
Albern Sorry for asking but what is the background story on the bold part? Did I miss something on that? We as in TMC or some other group?�
May 20, 2010
AnOutsider I'd like to know the same... lot of odd posts tonight tdelta... you sipping on something? :biggrin:�
May 21, 2010
dsm363 Maybe he meant to type "forced to finalize the wishlist"?�
May 21, 2010
tdelta1000 LOL!!! No fellas not sipping on anything. Be it that I consider TMC as the foremost expert on the TM product line outside of TM, I thought it would be to use a little wishful thinking.
It would be nice and an honor to have the very company that we are following take our feedback to steer the direction of their offering because VW did it a few times on the VWVortex forum.�
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