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Two new features none of us know about part 1

  • Sep 3, 2015
    Robbo
    Barron's summarized a research report from Trip Chowdry ( Tesla: The Tweets Have It - Stocks to Watch - Barrons.com ) and in it Trip says "There are still at least 2 new features in Model X, that none of us know about"

    Not quite sure how Trip knows that but........

    let the rampant speculation begin.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Lyon
    I'm guessing LED headlights and..... no idea?
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    NigelM
    There's a whole bunch of possibilities...too many to list. One thing I'm certain of is that I won't be disappointed. :)
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    yobigd20
    seats that disappear.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Pete90D
    Invisibility cloak
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    jimmyjohn
    1) 4-Wheel-Steering
    2) LED Headlights

    Book it.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Newb
  • Sep 3, 2015
    Johan
  • Sep 3, 2015
    Newb
  • Sep 3, 2015
    Max*
    I don't think laser headlights are legal in the US yet...
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    SabrToothSqrl
    Self washing car. push button. car clean.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    jimmyjohn
  • Sep 3, 2015
    brkaus
    Automatically deploying drone to provide 360 view when parking. Also, could scout ahead for speed traps.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    rolosrevenge
    Ejection seats and rockets/gatling gun from the Falcon wing doors when they are open.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Mark Z
    Perhaps advanced software and hardware for Autopilot.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Max*
    360 degree camera.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Pete90D
    Autopilot deploys "safe zone" flares when bad drivers are detected. Think something like this

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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Yggdrasill
    Probably this, or something similar, and LED lights. Plus some other minor features.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    marcad80
    Since they are not showing the front, I'm predicting a chrome Elon Musk hood ornament, and a dual tone Marine Air horn!

    Both standard of course
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    MorrisonHiker
    1. Gentex Hybrid Full Display Mirror

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  • Sep 3, 2015
    TSLA Siempre

    Someone educate me here. Why do people care so much about LED headlights? Yes, they are better than other existing technologies, but I don't see how this is going to delight customers. Not even worthy of camouflage in my opinion. Moves the needle very little for me, and i'm guessing, most consumers would feel the same also.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Newb
  • Sep 3, 2015
    Johan
    LED headlights is not listed under features in the leaked design studio images. It's widely rumored to be a feature but I don't know that Tesla ever said it officially.

    That being said, I'd be disappointed with Tesla if this was one if "unknown features". It's industry standard fir high end vehicles now.

    Therefore my vote is:
    1. No cross beam front screen extending far back (remember no pictures of the car from the sides or front in the leaked images)
    2. 360 degree cameras with very cool software features for parking and maneuvering.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    SW2Fiddler
    • Non-invasive Front License Plate mounting accommodation
    • Keyfob that looks like an embryonic Model X instead of an S (Duh!)
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Newb

    that'd be cool, too. AR has speculated about such a digital rear-view mirror elsewhere.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    MorrisonHiker
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Max*
    Yeah, we're slow here. I read about the new BMW laser lights, and went "oooo ahhh" and then read we can't get that here, and then got disappointed when I read it's for EU only due to silly US regulations.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    MorrisonHiker
    2. Electrochromatic tinting

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  • Sep 3, 2015
    kf93
    360 camera is one of the best new innovations in vehicle safety in a long time. I have it now on our GL we bought because I couldn't wait any longer for the X, we needed a 7 person SUV in April. I told my son's friends that the 360 camera was really a camera on a selfie stick that pops up out of the roof when they asked how the picture had the car in it, and of course the believed it for a few minutes until I explained how it really worked. They really missed a huge opportunity if it's not an option on the X.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Dutchie
    An ICE as range extender :tongue:
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    1208
    1. Electrochromatic tinting of windshield and skylights.
    2. LED smart lights.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Newb

    It wouldn't move the needle for me either, but LED headlights are immensely more efficient than halogen or low voltage xenon headlights. Life expectancy is upt to 25x higher, energy consumption is about one tenth of halogen. Full LED headlights would simply fit perfectly to Tesla's energy efficiency narrative and would also reduce energy consumption somewhat.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    MorrisonHiker
    Maybe it will be standard! :)
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    scottf200
  • Sep 3, 2015
    andrewket
    ^ my vote too.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    gizmoboy
    I just want some frickin' headlights with frickin' lasers attached to them -- is that too much to ask?
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Johan
    ... and one MIIILLIIION dollars.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Pete90D
    "You're going to have to pay me 1 million dollars!"

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  • Sep 3, 2015
    NerdDoc
    Trip Chowdhry used to (still does?) analyze Apple. He was awful at it. Making non sensical "predictions" simply as click bait. I wouldn't trust whatever he says.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    gizmoboy
    I was going to say the same thing. John Gruber (Daring Fireball) refers to him as "Claim" Chowdhry.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    3s-a-charm
    LOL
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Johan
    I didn't see Trip's name up there in the original post. LOL. Claim Chowdrey. Forget what he says but follow his investment advice (long TSLA) and you'll do very well. Proves how idiot proof an investment in TSLA is.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    3s-a-charm
    That's the base price for the Model X according to several news outlets :wink:
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Zoomit
    Do the unknown new features have to be new technology?

    It's definitely not as sexy or fancy as windows and headlights, but one possibility is a kneeling air suspension that helps load cargo in the back. It's not new technology, but a long travel suspension would also help raise the vehicle when needed to clear obstacles. This helps the "utility" street cred.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Johan
    And that's after the rich man tax credit of a couple hundred thousand dollars.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Max*
    P90D is actually a P90Q!
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    n88
    My vote goes to the Gentex rear view mirror, since that would mitigate the apparent rear view blockage from the non-adjustable row 2 headrests.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    TI Sailor
    1. Curve-adaptive LED Headlights
    2. 360 degree Cameras
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    deonb
    Whatever they bring out, there will be some element of disappointment associated with it, so it will probably be "Interesting, but not really usable".

    I'm voting for:

    1) 110V outlet, but restricted to 200W
    2) Spare tire - but requires you to remove the 3rd row seats to get to it
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    MorrisonHiker
    Those would both be very useful but don't fall into the secret "bells and whistles" category for me. I don't think adding those would've delayed the X much at all. I'm thinking there has to be some kind of gadget or new technology which was responsible for the delays (besides the falcon wing doors and second row seats) based on comments that Elon made back in February.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    AnxietyRanger
    My signature summary of course lists many possibilities in many categories, but what I'm personally hoping for is next-generation driver assistance hardware made it to the Model X Sig already, and not come, say, six months after Sigs only. After all, Elon said they were working on a step beyond the current auto-pilot for the Model X. Hopefully this includes the likes of new radars, all-around cameras, new GPUs and innovative software use thereof.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    yobigd20
    integrated dash cam like the corvette stingray's would be nice.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Shawn Snider
    New Key-Fob function for locating your Tesla in a parking-lot; USE-THE-SCHWARTZ! (Hold the Fob at your crotch, Fob emits laser/lights whilst said Tesla also emits lights! (maybe the cornering lights look inwards + outwards?))

    Yogurt - "Use the Schwartz!"

    :cool:
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    MorrisonHiker
    That would be nice. You'd think with all of the cameras being added to cars these days that integrated dash cams would've become an option on a lot more cars.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    pvogel
    I don't think that's possible with the single pane wraparound windshield/pano roof. Electrochromic windows are for the *whole* window, not just part of it unless there's some new advance there.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Johan
    360 degree dashcam constantly recording to a local SSD, 48 hours worth of constant HD footage 360, no matter if the car is parked or moving. The ability for the user to access this and pull out clips (for evidence or just for fun), have the video feed time stamped and tagged for events such as being bumped in to while parked, and of course accidents such as sudden deceleration, flipping over and such things.

    Also, if the car is in an accident we know Tesla sometimes call right after to see if the owner is OK - I've read of several instances of this (first that comes to mind is when dmundjal was in a bad crash where he let his landscaper test drive). I think it could be several things triggering such an alert at Tesla HQ, one obvious thing would be having airbags deploy.

    Anyway, imagine how cool it would be if the car in the case of such an event started feeding 360 video to Tesla HQ (assuming the systems are still intact or semi-intact and the car has internet connection) where they could help assess the situation, guide first responders etc.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    jimmyjohn
    "Yogurt? I love yogurt!"
    ...
    "You idiots, you've captured their stunt doubles!"
    ...
    "Ummm, you taste good, boss!"
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    3s-a-charm
    How about a cool BMW-style key fob with info?
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Pete90D
    Whoa! I had not seen that before. It almost looks like BMW started making mobile phones.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Max*
    Can't you do all that with the phone app, as is?
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    3s-a-charm
    Yah, it's bigger than normal which is the downfall. Pretty cool though!
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Shawn Snider
    New Pano-Roof Setting that allows ALL current Pano-Roofs to electro-chromatically tint the Pano-Window and Rear Window Panes to let us see the Heavens above in the Infra-Red! (Insert some Space-X/Balls thing here)

    *Sorry for the bad grammar*
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Lyon
    I'd love a HUD. Have one on the Yukon and really like it.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    MorrisonHiker
    That would be great. There might be privacy concerns in some states or countries but they could allow the owner/driver to address/accept those.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    EchoDelta
    It's a tesla - i'd expect an electric gatling railgun rather than gunpowder internal combustion stuff.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    brkaus
    That full display mirror is pretty cool.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    EchoDelta
    I want the keyfob to be one LESS thing I worry about, and disappear - instead of becoming an important item to carry around & loose. I'm already walking dressed up in cameras, bioemtric sensors, gpss, screens and buttons. That evolve WAY faster than the replacements of my car. Use those!

    In 10 years that pointlessly schmancy BMW key will be much *much* quainter and legacy than you perceive this phone today:
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Six
    I would hate to carry that BMW key fob. I already have a phone app don't need another device
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Atlantis
    Yes with all the information from autopilot, navigation and collision avoidance system integrated and visible in the HUD.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Beryl
    Since we aren't seeing the front of the MX, at least one of the new features is only visible front-view.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Lyon
    That would be awesome.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    stevej119
    Which could be additional radar, cameras, LED headlights, bumper mounted 3 ton winch...
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Johan
    Think augmented reality - NAV data overlaying the actual road you're driving on for example, or visual enhancements or marking of for example pedestrians and animals in low-light situations.
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    MorrisonHiker
    Optional pedestrian cow catcher!
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  • Sep 3, 2015
    Mark Z
    Maybe the new windshield will be photochromic and automatically darken with sunlight in the roof area. I do hope the windshield is UV glass.
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  • Sep 4, 2015
    3s-a-charm
    Soft. Close. Doors.
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  • Sep 4, 2015
    ItsNotAboutTheMoney
    It's Trip Chowdry. Referencing him just gives his him oxygen. He is a notoriously wrong bull*.

    Ignore him. There is nothing new.

    * Could be expanded a bit to be a bit more pejorative.
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  • Sep 4, 2015
    Paul Carter
    Cool, but wow, that's a little large. Do you find it cumbersome or a non-issue? Will be very interesting if we even get a fob. Who needs those when you can just walk up to your car with your smartphone and viola. Near the rear lift gate or falcon door and a little foot waving action, and open sesame. One can dream. :)
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  • Sep 4, 2015
    MorrisonHiker
  • Sep 4, 2015
    Max*
    Heads-up display.
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  • Sep 4, 2015
    aija SigX 649
    Guess on yet-to-be Revealed Features

    A stick-on rearview mirror would look pretty silly on that large windshield IMHO. Perhaps the rearview camera will be output via HUD (Heads Up Display) and every square inch of that glorious windshield will be clear! Perhaps covering up the top portion of the windscreens on the mules had a dual purpose. There may even be sideview cameras integrated into the side mirrors. How cool would it be if SW stitched all three images together and displayed a single seamless ears-back-view via HUD! Wishful thinking?
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  • Sep 4, 2015
    MileHighMotoring
    360 degree camera system similar to Nissan's Around View. Laser headlights. Navigation with waypoints, avoid toll roads, etc.
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  • Sep 4, 2015
    Hugh Mannity
    I'm thinking this too, I wonder however if they've gone a step further and incorporated this into the back up camera somehow ? Keep in mind that big beautiful windshield; I wonder if the designers wanted to keep that panorama look and there is no mirror attached to the windshield - it's either at the top of the dash or incorporated into the main screen ? Perhaps even in the instrument clustre ??
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  • Sep 4, 2015
    MorrisonHiker
    I'm pretty sure a rearview mirror is a legal requirement. If a display broke, the car would still need a way of viewing towards the rear and a low tech mirror would provide that. The Gentex Hybrid Mirror/Display does both and would still provide rearward visibility if the display in the hybrid mirror broke.

    I'm also wondering if they could have Gorilla Glass for the windshield.
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  • Sep 4, 2015
    Hugh Mannity
    oh really ? didn't know that a RVM is a legal requirement - hmmm
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  • Sep 4, 2015
    MorrisonHiker
    They are in many states but I don't know about the provinces. I guess side mirrors can qualify in the case that you don't have a rear window at all or if the view through the rear window is obstructed.
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  • Sep 4, 2015
    MileHighMotoring
    I'm not sure about that - it's legal to have solid panel vans with no rear visibility so I can't imagine they require a rear mirror on those, lol. Side mirrors, yes.
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  • Sep 4, 2015
    MorrisonHiker
    Reading the laws more closely, it sounds like you are correct. The driver's side mirror seems to always be required and the passenger side mirror is sometimes required. It's just a requirement overall that one has to have a view to the rear. Maybe the rear view mirror isn't required...but I would prefer it to looking down at the screen.
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  • Sep 4, 2015
    Jaff
  • Sep 4, 2015
    Hugh Mannity
    let's compromise and say that the image will be HUD :cool:
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  • Sep 4, 2015
    flar
    It would be odd to look in the rear view mirror and not see your passengers in the back seats.

    I don't have kids, but I imagine that parents would want a secondary view of the passengers without having to turn around or swing out the visor and use the vanity mirror.
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  • Sep 4, 2015
    kf93
    most minvans have that taken care of with a smaller concave mirror in the ceiling where the sunglasses holder is. you can see the entire second row seat and the tops of the third row with it. Works well for short kids that aren't in the normal field of view for the rear view mirror since it's centered on the back window, not the second row seats.
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  • Sep 4, 2015
    AnOutsider
    Yeah, whenever I drive my wife's vehicle. the first thing I notice is that the rear view mirror is actually looking down toward the mirror she has mounted above our youngest's car seat.
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  • Sep 4, 2015
    MorrisonHiker
    Works for me. That would be an awesome feature to have.
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  • Sep 4, 2015
    MorrisonHiker
    If you watch the Gentex video that I linked to earlier, they showed that you can tilt it to mirror mode. True that's not as fast as just glancing at the mirror but it is possible.
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  • Sep 4, 2015
    ratsbew
    LED headlights are a FIRST ORDER issue for me. I'm a lighting nerd and I would be extremely disappointed not to see LED lights on a clean sheet design of 2015. LED or bust!
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  • Sep 4, 2015
    Tyl
    I'm another TMC member for a HUD. This car gets more and more like a 787 all the time! ...or is it a Falcon 9? How about a cockpit like screen with many readouts on it at once. Attitude, heading, angle of bank, altimeter, airspeed, compass, clock, current radio frequency, drag coefficient readings, weather radar, etc. ...... a bank of colorful idiot lights. All glass in appearance, of course! ....ooops, we have some of this already!!!
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  • Sep 4, 2015
    3s-a-charm
    You're right - better to just have the app on your phone which can do these things. Likely the key would need to connect to your phone anyways to retrieve data unless it had a cell card in it LOL.

    The foot wave hatch open feature would be amazing.
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  • Sep 5, 2015
    DFibRL8R
    Yes but why limit to 200W? I think the utility and marketing value of being able to use your Model X to run your refrigerator in a power outage or at a campsite etc is worth this upgrade. After all, it's kind of like a power wall with wheels!
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  • Sep 5, 2015
    MorrisonHiker
    I don't think a refrigerator is the best example. Modern refrigerators use surprisingly little power. Mine uses like 50 watts...but I know where you are going. I would definitely like to be able to use the battery to power home devices in emergencies. I don't think they will allow that any time soon since supercharging is free.
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  • Sep 5, 2015
    Yggdrasill
    You're right, refrigerators use very little energy, but I think that's average. It's probably more like 500 watts 10% of the time, as the compressor starts and stops.
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  • Sep 5, 2015
    Aljohn
    If there were a AC outlet, it would be limited due to the size of the DC to AC converter. It isn't the size of the battery, but the hardware to convert the DC power to 50-60 cycle AC to run a small appliance. Running your 200Amp house requires a rather LARGE converter, as would at 500 KW refrigerator.
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  • Sep 5, 2015
    spottyq
    deonb, that would be a great feature imho !

    As to why it has to be limited, there are multiple arguments to be made.
    1) Cost. Inverters aren't cheap. (And the more power you need, the higher the cost, obviously.) 2500W inverters working off 12V cost something like 1400� around here (retail). Tesla would be working off 400VDC; I can't say if it is easier to design an inverter to work from 400VDC or 12VDC.
    2) They would have to design two versions, 120V/60Hz and 220V/50Hz for different markets * multiple different sockets.
    3) Power electronics get hot; you need to be able to evacuate the heat somehow. With a higher power rating, you've got more heat to evacuate. (I've known a car where the inverter would shut itself down after half an hour from overheating at 75% of it's rated load !)
    4) Realistically, most people will only use them to recharge laptop batteries for themselves or the kids in the back seat. No need for more than 120W here.
    5) Then there's the whole stealing electricity from superchargers issue that can be greatly limited with a low power rating of the inverter.

    I can understand the need of a high power inverter in a work truck (like VIA is doing.) But I doubt a high power inverter is an economically feasible option for Tesla's market.

    [Edit :] Well, it seems I type quite slowly ! MorrisonHiker, Yggdrasill, and Aljohn all posted before me ! :)
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  • Sep 5, 2015
    mkjayakumar
    Lowly Leaf has 360 degree camera view as an option right from 2013 model.

    And you guys are saying it will be an amazing surprising innovative beat-the-pants-off addition in X ?
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  • Sep 5, 2015
    1208
    Rumour has it that the large windscreen and subsequent extra strong B and roof pillar is because it is going to be a convertible, so needs the extra strength up top to help with a rollover.
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  • Sep 5, 2015
    Beryl
    Pretty cool about the Leaf.

    I don't recall reading where anyone said the features would be "beat-the-pants-off".

    (Android devices frequently have features for years before the iPhones but I still prefer my iPhone for other reasons.)
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  • Sep 5, 2015
    mkjayakumar
    .. and oh the LED lights, the first gen 2011 Leaf had it. They were so good that was the only option I insisted I need to have on my 2nd 2013 lease.

    and that was just a $20K car after rebates.
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  • Sep 5, 2015
    3s-a-charm
    Of course! The X will have the ability to remove all the doors just like a jeep so you can cruise around town with your legs exposed for some reason.
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  • Sep 5, 2015
    necho
    My guess:

    1. LED Lights
    2. Head-up Display
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  • Sep 5, 2015
    Lyon
    That would make me really happy.
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  • Sep 5, 2015
    pGo
    Here is my list..

    Oh.. Coming from Trip.. Never mind.
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  • Sep 7, 2015
    Tony
    Gorilla glass and LED lights.
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  • Sep 7, 2015
    EVger
    Ditto re LED lights and head up display. It would also be nice to have a kick sensor to lift the hatchback like my Ford C-Max Energi. I have found that surprisingly handy (no pun intended).
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  • Sep 7, 2015
    CarlK
    LED and HUD and so common I don't think it's worth mentioning even if they are there. I think it meant something more unusual.
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  • Sep 9, 2015
    deonb
    I didn't mean it as saying they shouldn't do more than 200W, but just that Tesla has a long history of creating features that are almost great but have one or two serious and simple shortcoming that prevent it from being really usable.

    I'd buy a Model X tomorrow if it could double as a portable power wall.
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  • Sep 9, 2015
    Freudianly
    1. Each cup-holder will come with a water pump linked to a system directly adapted from the Space Station, thanks to a partnership between Tesla, SpaceX and NASA. The Water Recycling System will reclaim waste waters from urine, oral hygiene and hand washing, and by condensing humidity from the air.
    2. Next to Ludicrous, a Mars mode can be selected that turns the Model X into a training ground for people who want to test life on Mars. Basically, at first, it will merely be impossible to exit the car for one year; your car needs to be plugged into your garage charger to activate this mode. The driver's window will be lowered 5 inches once a week for 10 minutes to allow your family to transfer food. Thanks to a software update available when it is finally ready, communication with a bot simulating a NASA space mission engineer will be offered for free, with a real-life, Tesla exclusive, ten-minute delay. Successful Model X astronauts will be offered a "Drink pee ! A small sip for a man, a giant leap for a Martian" t-shirt, and a 10% discount on future SpaceX public missions to Mars, starting in summer to late 2018 +/- 80 years.
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  • Sep 9, 2015
    hill
    even the Prius had that as an option in 2010 .... half decade ago. I'd hate to think of that as special on the X.
    :biggrin:
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  • Sep 9, 2015
    Seesaw
    Virtual rear view mirror
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  • Sep 9, 2015
    CarlK
    We happen to own a 2010 Prius with LED light. There is really nothing special I never noticed any difference with previous gen HID. Elon said he he wants to lead not follow. Any new features should be just that, new features.
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