May 20, 2015
mgboyes As of this morning if you choose P85D in the design studio the only wheel options are silver or grey turbines - choosing 19" rims is not possible.
Anyone know if this is a real, intentional change, or if it's just a glitch (like the brief period where silver turbines were only available on P85D but grey ones could be ordered with the S85 and S70)?�
May 20, 2015
dcohen It appears 21's are required.�
May 20, 2015
bjwModelS "$87,500 after incentives and gas savings" should now read "$92,000" in the tall rectangle box then. No way to reduce the $4500 cost back off.�
May 20, 2015
evmike I'm pretty sure that this type of pricing would violate consumer protection laws in certain jurisdictions.�
May 20, 2015
MsElectric This is horrible for people who live in areas with badly maintained roads. I wonder of this is a momentary glitch. I remember they only had the 21" wheels as an option when the P85D first came out and after many requests they added the regular profile wheel option.�
May 20, 2015
znib Wow, I was lucky! I ordered a P85D yesterday, with 19" rims. And today they're not available anymore. However, when I log in to change my order, they are still there. I just hope it will actually delivered with 19". Sure, the 21" look absolutely stunning, especially the dark ones, but the tires will be much more expensive and I'm afraid I'll need new tires more often than I like anyway, with such a powerfull car. And even my Tesla sales guy recommended the 19" because the 21" get scratched so easily.�
May 20, 2015
brianman Please elaborate.�
May 20, 2015
MsElectric Lucky you! I hope they bring back the 19" wheels for those who prefer them...�
May 20, 2015
Pinot.Noir I think it's just a glitch on the website. Note that it says "recommended". Why say that if you really have no other option?�
May 20, 2015
LetsGoFast When the car was first announced, it was also only available with 21" wheels. They later changed that, before any were actually delivered.�
May 20, 2015
travwill yeah i could see requiring 21 on P85D again now. It is geared towards performance anyway. Most brands like that default to a wheel you can't choose even so its streamlining some or offering what 90%+ people get.
i definitely got the 19s as debated it (like the 21 look better of course). In Chicago our roads are so bumpy, hole filled, etc I'd destroy the 21s in no time. Can always upgrade later I guess aftermarket or sure owners sell theres time to time ;-)�
May 20, 2015
yobigd20 on-again off-again on-again off-again on-again off-again. required not-required required not-required. staggered non-staggered staggered non-staggered. rear seats nextgen rear seats oldgen rear seats nextgen rear seats oldgen. service center says one thing, rep says a completely different thing, website says completely different thing. fake misleading price on website actual-price fake-price actual-price fake-price. options included excluded included excluded. should i get tickets to the ringling brothers or just get a job at tesla instead?�
May 20, 2015
bp1000 this has to be a glitch
if it isn't i'm very glad i managed to get mine with 19s.
21s look better but i'm sick of the repairs and tyre wear on such big tyres. Having said that, i may just buy a set of 21s for use in the warm months.�
May 20, 2015
brianman I think you mean "thin" not "big".�
May 20, 2015
AMPd How so?
Tesla are free to charge any price they wish for their product.
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I laughed at how accurate this post is�
May 20, 2015
liuping This should help reduce my frequent urges to update to the P85D, since it both raises the price and forces me to buy wheels I absolutely do not want.
Honestly, this sort of thing, combined middle finger they threw to people on the center console wait list yesterday, have me wondering if my next car will even be a Tesla.
Not too long ago my answer when asked "Would you buy a Tesla again?" was "absolutely, no question.". Now my answer is more of a "maybe, I think I might wait and see what other companies come out with".
I still love my Model S and Elon's Vision and Goals, but I'm liking Tesla the company less and less.�
May 20, 2015
jerjozwik this is not a glitch, i took a P85D test drive today and was talking to the sales rep about the if the spoiler does anything, he was listing off his recommended options and mentioned the 21" wheels. i told him i was looking to buy with the 19" and his response was they are no longer going to have that option because people were not getting the rated 0-60 times with the 19" wheels. so to elivate people complaining the car is not living up to hype they just forced the 21"...
...which kinda sucks as my configured price just jumped 4k.�
May 20, 2015
cynix So� does the spoiler do anything? I didn't order one (and it's now too late to change my order), hope I haven't made the wrong decision.�
May 20, 2015
brianman Probably one of the dumbest reasons I've heard from a Tesla representative. I hope this is a misinformed employee rather than reality.�
May 20, 2015
jerjozwik his assertion was that it helps to reduce drag... which sounded a bit odd. but seeing it in person made me realise i would never order it. its a strange material that looks like no other CF i have seen at the race track. looked more like a vinyl CF pattern wrapped part.
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at the time i simply thought he was miss informened and just went on to the next question.
but after seeing the website alteration...�
May 20, 2015
JakeP Painfully and laughably true.�
May 20, 2015
yobigd20 Turbine wheels now mandatory with P85D - intentional change or design studio ...
Wow they are completely idiots if that's what they believe. It's not about the size of the wheels but instead the compound of the tires. Their 19" OEM tires are crap and can't hold dry traction for the power of the P. You put 19" Michelin pilot sports on that actually stick and not only will you get the 0-60 times I would bet you'll even beat the 21" times. All they need to do is offer a better set of TIRES, not force people to get 21s.�
May 21, 2015
Matias Maybe they just want to pump marginals up.�
May 21, 2015
sandpiper Huh?! How, exactly, does having lighter wheels reduce acceleration? And judging by the GREATER range on the 19s, the 19s have lower rolling resistance than the 21s. On the only two factors that could possibly matter for straight line acceleration 19s are better than 21s!
Unless I'm missing something, methinks that your sales rep may be misinformed.
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This makes sense. Although on dry pavement, I've never seen traction control kick in so I still don't buy it.�
May 21, 2015
mgboyes A number of UK owners have now asked various different TM staff, all of whom have confirmed that this is an intentional change, not a glitch.�
May 21, 2015
SabrToothSqrl well that sucks. I like the 19s for PA pot hole roads... although I did like the handling more w/the 21s....�
May 21, 2015
MartinAustin Sadly, this is a rather accurate description! (and you left out, next-gen-front-seats-old-seats-in-the-back) I hope this stuff is something they recognise internally and are working to stabilise.�
May 21, 2015
brianman I have - P85D w/19s.�
May 21, 2015
Cyclone I really like how it looks on my car.
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May 21, 2015
jerjozwik hahah, no offense implied. i have a full carbon fiber hard top for my track miata and chose to paint it black to hide the material.
all my friends and co workers would say "whats wrong with you, CF looks so cool!" to each there own
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May 21, 2015
Cyclone None taken
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Back on topic. I am surprised if Tesla was really worried that 21s were needed for the rated #s, why they didn't make the turbines the default selected color and allow you to pick the "downgrade" if you want it. Similar to picking the 85D and then clicking single motor. That would have helped set expectations and still left those who prefer the 19s happy.�
May 21, 2015
yobigd20 The original glossy carbon fiber looks good on black but after they switched to that ugly matte look - no way. I never understood that design change. I wouldn't get the spoiler now if I were to order again. It just looks "not right" and detracts from the nice aesthetics of the car.�
May 21, 2015
JER I can see the lower-grade tyres being a problem in the US market, where the 19� rims get all-season tyres. No doubt that detracts from the acceleration - though TBH not meeting expectations can only be a failure to explain this to customers. Perhaps the order page should make the effects of options on performance more explicit?
Model S orders made in the UK, however, have had summer tyres on both wheel sizes since around April this year � a long-overdue change IMO as there�s little point in using any other kind of tyre in our climate. (There are maybe a couple of weeks in a typical year where anything else will work better at daytime temperatures, and we hardly ever see snow.)
I�d be very surprised if the P85D acceleration was significantly worse with the 19� UK-spec summer tyres than the 21s � in which case there�s no reason to cut the 19� option here and several reasons to keep it. (Durability, running costs, etc.)�
May 21, 2015
mdevp ^^This.�
May 21, 2015
jerjozwik err... nevermind.�
May 21, 2015
cynix For some reason, I've always considered glossy CF a lower grade material than matte CF. It looks plastic-y.�
May 22, 2015
ArtInCT The recent Business Week article on Elon Musk was interesting in the following area.... in the article the author mentions... Elon was walking thru the Tesla offices and lead Model S designer Frans von Holzhausen (sp?) shows him some newly designed wheels for the S. One week later the P85D has only 21" wheels in the design studio.
When you couple these two data points... Do you think that Tesla may be flushing the old inventory of Turbine 21"s to make room for the new wheels?
This was the first plausible explanation that came to my mind when I first read about this on TMC.�
May 22, 2015
andrewket This was my first thought as well. They need to reduce 21" inventory. People are buying more 19" than forecasted.
I was very vocal when I ordered my P85D in 2014 that I wanted 19's. I went through 6 tires on my P85+ in 18 months. The 21's might look great, and be fine in California, but in many other places the low profile tires are just asking for trouble.
Rather than force people to buy 21's, why not create a 21" promotion? Give people an incentive. Don't take away customer choice. If I was buying today I'd hold my ground for 19s. If delivered with 21's, I wouldn't expect to get more than 1/2 of what you paid for them in the used market, even with 5 miles on them.�
May 22, 2015
1208 Indeed. I wonder also if new wheels are planned for the Model X. They are starting to behave like a Tesco's or Walmart�
May 22, 2015
mgboyes Interesting. Do you know specifically what tyres are being delivered on UK cars with 19" wheels? My understanding was that 19s get Goodyear Eagle RS-A2s, 21s get the new Continental Contisilents and P85D staggered sets get Michelin Pilot Sport PS2.
My experience is that a significant proportion of UK owners are buying winter tyre sets (even those with the all season Goodyears). Why would you advocate using a summer tyre all year round in the UK?
I have a set of Nokians for winter on my P85 cyclones, and will buy some Sottozeros to go on my P85D turbines. We didn't see a flake of snow last winter but the difference in grip and roadholding in the cold and wet was obvious and significant.�
May 22, 2015
3mp_kwh Doesn't it seem more odd to you, to buy a snow tire with no snow? There has to be a 'cold' tread in this size, that doesn't give up the squirm of a snow?�
May 22, 2015
dsm363 Hopefully turbine 20" rims instead of even turbine 19" rims. I love the look of the 21" rims but going to 20 would open up so many tire choices even winter tires.�
May 22, 2015
Fanatic The changes in the design studio makes Tesla able to manufacture more cars than before regardless of orders. Remove the possibilities of different options slimline the production.
I've also heard the have had some troubles with suppliers whom were not so big when manufacturing of the S started. Some of the manufacturers has had a hard time scaling up and meeting quality expectations. I hope some of them will be bought or replaced by Tesla themselves.
Textile headliner is gone as well, for now.
Tesla supplier Futuris Automotive inks big lease in Newark - San Francisco Business Times
Futuris whom I think is doing the interior and the seats? Don't know it for sure. They have begone to set up a manufacturing plant close to the Freemont factory!
Saw this at their site. :
North America � Manufacturing facility, Business Development and Design office
- Newark, California: 15,000m2 design and technology centre, manufacturing facility supplying seating and headliners to Tesla Motors.
Currently employer of 200ppl!�
May 22, 2015
Cyclone Indeed the standard headliner is gone. Now it's white alcantara for free or black which requires the premium interior package.�
May 22, 2015
Max* We're down to only about 1.3million possible combinations. Very slim.�
May 22, 2015
Fanatic Thats quite a fail from the employe who made the change.
Free is quite a strong word for something thats minimum about 60 000 dollars
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No. Not very slim. But the possibilities of someone ordering all the bells an whistles increases with this setup and will push the ppl who may not have all that money to spend towards the lower models.
Do you have a spreadsheet of your calculations? The autopilot can't be considered an option as its already mounted but will need an update to work as the option says.�
May 22, 2015
Max* That's true, didn't think of that, if you take the AutoPilot out of the calculations, you're left with only 501kk hardware configurations.
Eh, screwy calculations, true calculations later on.�
May 22, 2015
MsElectric This is a horrible policy given tat they had offered the 19" wheel option since January. We test drove with the 21" wheels and felt the ride was too harsh to our liking but the 19" wheels were perfect. It's a shame they are forcing people to get low profile wheels with summer tires when they might live in places unsuitable for these tires.�
May 22, 2015
jerjozwik wow, that is... a lot more than i thought it would have been!�
May 22, 2015
Law&Disorder The irony is that many of us P85D purchasers would have gladly voluntarily spent the extra money on the 21"s if there were a chance they could survive more than a few months on our terrible Eastern Seaboard roads. For some of us, it's not even the costs of the inevitable tire replacements, it's being stranded somewhere for hours while you wait for a flatbed to show up to tow your car to the nearest Tesla facility.
Since the Model S does not come with a spare tire and a thin sidewall tire mounted on a 21" wheel is prone to the type of catastrophic failure that cannot be temporarily fixed with a compressor and sealant when it impacts a deep pothole, this decision by Tesla borders on negligence.
Glad my car is coming with 19"s.�
May 22, 2015
bagleyc Spot on! LOL�
May 22, 2015
katysplus Well summarized. I made the change to 19s before I made my first significant road trip. Couldn't imagine driving through the cities, getting some kind of tire/wheel damage on a pothole on the 21s, and having to wait a day or something for a replacement/repair.
So, if I may, the speculation/consensus on reasons for 19" delete on P85D are:
1) "Better" performance from the 21s and need to live up to the performance claims. Without looking at the other threads, can someone confirm that we have seen 3.1s 0-60 times with 19s, 19s with summer, and/or 19s with A/S tires?
2) TM forcing P85D buyers to pay more for the 21s and thus push margins higher. This is huge as they are effectively raising the base price on this model by$4500.
3) TM trying to deplete their supply of 21" turbines to possibly bring in another wheel design/size.
I must admit, I can't believe they would go all-in on the 21s given how much wheel repair and customer angst that the service centers must see; just doesn't seem smart or efficient. Also, reason #3 I believe will ultimately result in the biggest profits as it would entice more buyers to go with the P85D instead of shying away from the price tag and the 21s. Also, you would have a huge amount of pent-up demand from current 19" owners who want something more aggressive/new, without going back to 21s and their inherent problems.�
May 22, 2015
HankLloydRight Just to post "the other side of the coin" here, I've had the 21" rims, and live in the NYC metro area and have put on over 14,000 miles on my car in 1.5 years. I've done round trip trips to Chicago, Columbus OH, Burlington VT, Boston, and dozens of trips to the Phila and DC areas... not to mention the rest of the miles in and around where I live.
While I am extremely careful to avoid big potholes, I have hit a few. In Chester, NY, I hit a massive pothole with a fully loaded car, and the car even bottomed out (it was dusk/dark out, and my passengers were distracting me from watching the road carefully). I thought for sure the wheel and tire was going to be toast. I've hit smaller potholes and destroyed rims/tires in other cars, so I know what it's like. But when we got to our destination, there was *no damage* to either the front or rear rims. No bends, no snakebites on the tires, nothing. I still don't know why they escaped any damage, but the 21" rims aren't as bad as everyone makes them out to be. The can and do survive "more than a few months on Eastern Seaboard roads".
Yes, in the winter, I do swap on 19" rims with A/S tires, but that's just for the bulk of the cold/snow season. The rest of the time, it's 21" rims all the way.�
May 22, 2015
brianman Agreed. If they offered dark 21" staggered wheels at a decent discount in the store, I'd probably buy a set. (My P85D came with 19s.)
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@Max*
Note that some combinations require others. For example, you can't get Executive Seats w/o Cold Weather. IIRC.�
May 22, 2015
JER Nope. As far as I know, orders made since this change haven't been delivered yet.
If you go into a tyre fitting shop in the UK and ask for "tyres" you will get summer tyres. Buy nearly any new car here and it will have summer tyres. It's been this way for decades, and for good reason.
Check the weather records and it is obvious why: There are very few weeks with average daytime temperatures below 7�C. In the South you'd be lucky to get even a month where all-season will routinely outperform summer; you'll maybe get a fortnight where winter tyres are not outside their recommended temperature range during the day. Unless you live in the far reaches of Scotland or commute in the middle of the night, summer tyres are optimal here.
Do people buy winter tyres here? Sure. Should they? No, probably not � unless they are going on road trips to Norway, or don't mind doubling their tyre costs for the <1% of days we have significant snowfall.
I find it's kinda fun driving in snow on summer tyres anyway. It's like a rare treat, going out and watching people who don't have the knack for it sliding into things. :biggrin:�
May 22, 2015
Max* Didn't realize that, thanks, I'll update. Also the exec seats apparently require the premium interior package..
I think I got the other combinations (black headliner with premium), and executive seats or child seats.
Anything else?�
May 22, 2015
Bulletproof It is plastic wrapped with a carbon fiber wrap.�
May 22, 2015
Max* That still makes over a million configuration combinations, and over 500k hardware configurations.�
May 22, 2015
brianman Let's see...
- P85D disallows 19" and 19" Cyclone
- Only 85 non-perf allows RWD
- "Premium Interior and Lighting" says includes Alcantara headliner, but if you uncheck it you get Alcantara anyway
- Carbon Fiber Spoiler requires P85D
- Tesla Red Brake Calipers requires P85D
- UHFS warns that XM requires the glass roof (not option/$, but configuration difference)
- Executive Rear Seats requires PI&L and Subzero
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May 22, 2015
Max* So I get 1M configurations, and only 501k hardware combinations.
70D/85/85D P85D Motor/Battery 3 1 Paint 8 8 Roof 2 2 Wheels 4 2 Seats 7 7 Dash Trim 4 4 AutoPilot 2 2 SAS 2 2 UHF 2 2 Rear Seats/Cold Weather + Premium/Headliner 14 14 Calipers
2 Spoiler
2
Possibilities: 602,112 401,408 Total:
1,003,520 �
May 22, 2015
brianman So maybe the "configurator manager" has a goal of getting the number down to 6 figures.�
May 22, 2015
Max* That's assuming I didn't screw up the math for the umpteenth time.�
May 22, 2015
HankLloydRight I thought they have since retracted that requirement?
eta: Nevermind, I see it's now back. :/�
May 22, 2015
Law&Disorder I'm glad to hear you've had no issues with the 21" rims. I love the way they look and would seriously consider buying some aftermarket 21"s and then turning my 19"s into winter wheels if I just had more confidence in their ability to withstand the stuff we're forced to drive on here.
As I've previously posted, I ran a dedicated set of 20" summers and a dedicated set of 20" winters on my M5 and I've blown tires several times here on Long Island. I've got wheel and tire insurance through BMW so my cost each time was only a $100 deductible but it's waiting by the side of the road at night (you know, when you can't see the potholes) for the flatbed that I don't like.�
May 22, 2015
mgboyes Definitely not an accident given the change to the main screen of the design studio:
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May 22, 2015
MsElectric We live in the East Coast also and our streets are horrible, especially in the winter. When the P85D first came out they did this same nonsense and after a big outcry they offered the 19" wheels. I have no idea why they would remove such a popular option that is desirable for so many. There's a thread about this on the Tesla Corporate forum so hopefully they will see that many customers need the 19" wheel option and they will bring it back.�
May 22, 2015
yobigd20 I personally think they did it to force higher margins. Not only will they get the higher margins on the initial sale but tire and wheel replacements are the service center's biggest sources of income. That's what's paying the bills and keeping the lights on and keeping them employed. Every time I go into a service center all they are doing is repairs 21" tires and wheels and more being hauled in on tow trucks while I'm there. lol seriously it's laughable how many blowouts and rim crack repairs there are. Ask any service tech and they'll tell you hey are always swamped with this. They make so much money on it too with their very very high pricing on the wheels and tires.�
May 23, 2015
Fanatic How bad are your roads in USA? Here in Europe they are ****** when you can spot a crack forming.�
May 23, 2015
hobbes If they really do it on purpose that would go completely against the "best service is no service (needed)" philosophy.�
May 23, 2015
andrewket Elon has said the goal of tesla's service center is to run neutral, or at cost. They make money selling cars.�
May 23, 2015
Panu For me this looks like "neutral" means that money coming in must cover the warranty repairs. Service Center hourly rate in Finland (and whole Europe?) is 140 EUR. I have never seen a car service charge that much.�
May 23, 2015
anticitizen13.7 Turbine wheels now mandatory with P85D - intentional change or design studio ...
This would be disappointing if true.
If Tesla wanted to increase margins with a wheel change, then making the 19" Cyclones standard/required (+$2500 option) would have been more reasonable than the 21" Turbines.�
May 23, 2015
yobigd20 They already increased margin a few times. They used to be $3000 or $3500 the. Upped it to $4500 if ordered with the car and at one point when ordering from the tesla store they upped it to $8000 but have since dropped it a tad bit.�
May 24, 2015
Fanatic Black Alcantara requiers premium interior package now. That said you can still have the interior package but with the white Alcantara this gets the calculation even harder. So white is now standard and if you select interior package you can choose between white and black.�
May 24, 2015
Max* I accounted for all that.
Hopefully, correctly...�
May 24, 2015
ecarfan I have to wonder if black Alcantara costs Tesla more to purchase than white Alcantara. Why would they be a different cost to the company? Maybe the whitish color is what results from the manufacturing process and anything else requires the material to be dyed.�
May 24, 2015
gg_got_a_tesla Turbine wheels now mandatory with P85D - intentional change or design studio ...
I'd be surprised if there's a significant cost difference though. I think the Black has proven to be very popular and Tesla has bundled it up to drive margins. Nothing particularly wrong with that for the business.�
May 24, 2015
Riprazor It is really a shame if they continue to force the 21" option. The turbines are not worth the uplift charge compared to a large number of aftermarket rims that are lighter and less expensive, and IMHO, look just as good or better. I ordered my P85D with the 19" wheels and replaced them immediately with staggered aftermarket rims that I prefer to the turbines and cost $4200 including the TPMS and tires. I still have a set of brand new 19" Tesla wheels as well. A considerably better deal.�
May 25, 2015
matbl WHY CAN'T THEY JUST STOP WITH THE BUNDLING!?!
(Yes I'm screaming)
Just let the customers chose each indovidual option like bmw/merc/audi does (in europe at least).
Sure, they can still have packages but selecting a package should then result in a discount compared to selecting each individual item.
I have '14 MS but if Tesla continues to screw things up, I will probably not get another Tesla when this lease expires in '17...�
May 25, 2015
thegruf now the headliner "defaults" to white alcantara - does that mean you get the black alcantara insert piece on the dash too?
I can definitely see that not being to everyones taste.�
May 25, 2015
Fanatic If you put a 3 different combinations in roof it gets right. 1 with hard roof, one glass and one with glass and audio.�
May 25, 2015
Cyclone Having test driven cars with the alcantara insert on the dash and now owning a Model S with Napa leather/faux leather on the dash, I actually prefer my car's look. I would be just with the the alcantara, but I prefer the look and feel of mine more.�
May 25, 2015
Max* And remove the UFH completely?
I still don't understand the XM thing... You need pano and UFH to get XM to work. But I thought I read on here that XM still works with only the pano, you just don't get the subscription?�
May 25, 2015
Cyclone My understanding, which could be wrong, is 2012 cars without UHF had XM, but then Tesla moved the antenna and with that, UHF and pano became a requirement. In all cases, a subscription to XM is not included, so the owner must get the subscription him/herself.�
May 25, 2015
Max* Thanks Cyclone.
Fanatic, the more I think about it, the more I think my last calculation is correct. You can't CHOOSE to not have XM but still have pano and uhf. So it doesn't fall under either the number of configurations or the number of hardware configurations.
Think of it this way, how many ways can you configure the roof and sound and xm, only? If they were independent it'd be 8. In our case it's only 4, hence the 2 for roof and 2 for UHF above.�
May 25, 2015
anticitizen13.7 Tesla is probably trying to reduce manufacturing costs.
But yes, bundling tends to piss people off. It's already barely tolerable in a Honda (notorious for stupid bundles), but for something as expensive as a Tesla I consider it a huge mistake.�
May 25, 2015
thegruf Bundles not necessarily a bad thing as they can preserve resale cost much better than individual options which are next to worthless at resale.
Car + Lux Pack + Sport Pack + Tech Pack etc usually listed separately in car guides.
This is also good for Tesla as strong resale is a great selling point and for brand image.
but yes, individual options should be offered too to keep new buyers happy.
Problem with lots of options is that it does complicate build (though paint colour is arguably the biggest due to paint shop reconfiguration time), and increased exposure to supply chain lapses.�
May 25, 2015
Electrical_Eng I ordered a P85D on May 16 with the 21" gray turbine wheels. The following week Tesla made the changes where 21" tires/wheels are required. Here is something I bet most potential Tesla owners (and most owners) don't know...Tesla will give you a 24 hour loaner car to evaluate once you put down your $2,500 and before your 7 day grace period is up. I found this out from the store manager. I asked for a P85D with every option. The local store had to borrow a P85D from another store. I had only done test drives with the P85D (in April 2015 at the Vegas store with 19" tires/wheels); and with a P85+ (Oct. 2013 with 21" tires/wheels); and on May 16 with a 85D (19" tires/wheels). After driving over 200 miles with the loaner, I decided the 21" wheels/tires look awesome; however the tires are somewhat noisy and I've read many stories of how the 21" wheels are more prone to damage. I decided to changed to 19" wheels/tires. I saw on the forum that 21" tires/wheels are now required with the P85D 2 days before the cut-off date to cancel/finalize my order. I quickly went to the "My Tesla" page and it appears I was grandfathered and was able to switch to the $0 cost option for the 19" tires/wheels even though the webpage stated that 21" tires/wheels are required. See screenshot below that shows the P85D with 19" tires/wheels yet underneath the P85D is selected and inside the blue box it states "Requires 21" Wheels." I finalized the order and it appears that the P85D will be built with the 19" standard tires/wheels.
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May 26, 2015
yobigd20 Turbine wheels now mandatory with P85D - intentional change or design studio ...
Did they credit you back $4500 or are they charging you for the 21s and you're just getting a "free downgrade"?�
May 26, 2015
Electrical_Eng I was able to simply change out the 21" gray turbines with the 19" standard wheels/tires and the cost of the P85D decreased by $4,5000. I was able to do this since I did not finalize my order. I wonder what will happen when P85Ds are scheduled for delivery during the late fall and winter...will potential buyers in cold climates purchase the P85D knowing they will get summer tires? My thoughts are Tesla would hurt their sales if they limited the P85D to only summer tires during late fall/winter delivery dates. I wouldn't want to buy a P85D with summer tires and then go and have to switch them out with all-season or winter tires. I'd want the P85D to be delivered ready to drive off.�
May 26, 2015
HankLloydRight I had the same concern when I bought my P85+ inventory car from the Maryland SC. It was a loaner during the winter of '13/'14, I wonder how many people unknowingly got the car as a loaner, and didn't know they were driving on 21" summer tires in the cold and/or snow? Luckily, (AFAIK), the car wasn't in any accidents, but still, that seems strange for a loaner in the Northeast/Mid-Atlantic area. Or maybe they just didn't loan it out during the winter season?�
May 26, 2015
Electrical_Eng I saw an entire trailer full of P85Ds with 19" tires being brought to the Vegas Tesla service center (late April 2015). I was told by the Tesla sales rep that these P85Ds were being brought back after spending time in the snow. Makes me think that the 19" tires work better than the 21" tires if all these P85Ds were configured with 19" tires.
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May 26, 2015
HankLloydRight Turbine wheels now mandatory with P85D - intentional change or design studio ...
The "Double Black Diamond" tour was a set of P85Ds and 85Ds that Tesla had on a nationwide dog and pony show.
Tesla Model S P85D 85D Tour North America For Test Drives�
May 28, 2015
mgboyes 19" wheels are now available in the design studio again for the P85D.�
May 28, 2015
TEG See also:
P85D No Longer Requires 21 Turbine Wheels�
May 28, 2015
Electrical_Eng Thanks, TEG, for the link to the other thread.
Glad to see Tesla Motors changed it so 19" tires can be ordered with the P85D again.�
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