Oct 14, 2014
Novoman Does anybody have experience with a textile interior? Pros and cons?�
Oct 14, 2014
MsElectric Leather if you ever plan on selling your car. You may have a very hard time selling the car with textile seats.�
Oct 14, 2014
Boppus Leather if you have kids, and for when you sell it.�
Oct 15, 2014
thimo Yes, I have textile. Pros: less slippery, less sweaty, less nasty scratches from bolster seats. So far holds up great on normal use with kids. Cons: the parts of the seats that look like leather are the fake stuff, both slippery and sweaty.�
Oct 15, 2014
Thud Good point... textile seats will make the car unsellable in the future. You'll need to send it off to the crusher when it's time to replace it.�
Oct 15, 2014
GravitySpec Sorry, you don't have Steve Job's "Reality Distortion Field". I'd be more than happy to have a vehicle without leather seats as they can be terribly uncomfortable in warmer climates. :\�
Oct 15, 2014
scott jones I could have ordered Textile or Leather, and I chose the Textile, after sitting in and driving both.
The leather was too slippery and with the NON supportive Tesla seats, it was worse than most performance cars.
I also like the seats not to go to temperature extremes in the winter and summer.
Yes, I have Tint and the ability to cool down the cabin, but trust me, having my Tesla through the summer AND also having a leather seated car, I prefer the textile.
Having said that, my leather seats in my Genesis are FAR more comfortable, but that's because it's a better leather and seat.
I doubt the resell will be affected if people know what they're getting from each.
FYI: People think the solid parts are leather, but without the problems that come with leather.�
Oct 15, 2014
kendallpb Ditto. In fact, I did buy textile and like them. I've never wanted leather seats, yuck.�
Oct 15, 2014
ElSupreme Textile seats FOR LIFE!
Bought them. Have no regrets. They are even better (quality fabrics) than my previously spectacular GTI textile seats which still looked great after 7years and 125k miles of seat time.
Still 40k miles, and 1.5 years in and my Model S textile seats look like new.�
Oct 15, 2014
CHGolferJim Can you textile seat owners also read tea leaves? When do you suppose we will have additional color options for textile interior (seats, maybe matching ceiling?) and P85D seats in S85D?
With the Charlotte SC now permitted, I'm inching towards time to buy..........only 5 or 6 "must have, but not yet available" details left on the list. Paramount is excellent seats as my wife and I are 57 and starting to get back tweaks. Her main concern seems to be the seats (maybe she is resigned to it otherwise?). :biggrin:
Anyone have a Pearl White with black textile seats and pano? Would you recommend standard ceiling or black? I would like to see Tesla offer 3 color options, at least, like Mercedes B offers.�
Oct 15, 2014
invisik I always default to leather.
But I did see the textile in a car at the local store. It was surprisingly nice--I would not have minded it.
I wanted the red piping on black leather, so my choice was still leather.
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Oct 15, 2014
Gizmotoy I suspect the demand is such that we'll continue to have a single color choice for the textile seats. Hopefully the P85D seats eventually offer a textile option, and filter down to the lesser models. We saw something similar with the Performance leather seats originally, so I'd guess it's just a matter of time.
The resale argument is tough. Certainly leather is more popular, but it is pretty crazy to assert a car with textile seats has no resale value. In my last luxury car, similarly priced to the Model S, had that vehicle's relatively-rare textile (alcantara) option for the seats. When I put it up for sale, I had a guy come the next morning from 2 states away specifically because it had this uncommon option.
If the textile seats were crappy it'd be one thing, but the material is nicer than the leather, IMO. The faux leather inserts are lamentable, but they do provide a nice overall visual appeal. I'd have preferred leather inserts (or a full textile seat), but I understand the no-cruelty nod they took with the inserts on the textile option. If I ordered another Model S, I wouldn't hesitate to go with the textile seats again.�
Oct 15, 2014
breser I've always bought leather seats. Just prefer the look and feel of them. But I agree, having seen the textile seats in the S, I don't think they're bad.�
Oct 15, 2014
omarsultan Does anyone have Textile and dogs - was wondering how well dog fur releases from the textile seats--I am thinking of textile for the MX, have leather in the MS.
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Oct 15, 2014
Zeani I do, but my dog stays in the trunk and I keep a towel over the rear seats to protect against his drool and minimize the fur on the back of the seats. Its definitely easier to clean leather but you should be able to get the textile clean with a bit of vacuuming (assuming the dog itself was clean).�
Oct 15, 2014
hingisfan What about spills on the textile? Does it bead away just as easily as with leather?�
Oct 15, 2014
Plug Me In Happy with textile, and I think it looks nice. If you haven't seen it, it's much better quality than your typical Ford Taurus, etc. cloth.
My dog usually stays in the back, but she always works her way up to the driver seat while supercharging. Dog hair is holy hell to get out of the carpet in the back but vacuums off the seats pretty easily.�
Oct 15, 2014
SweetP Fond of my textiles. Comfortable and durable over 20,000 miles. Synthetic inserts don't bother or appeal to me but aren't in contact in my normal driving position. I'd do it again.�
Oct 16, 2014
ElSupreme I have two dogs. Both are large and have lots of hair that makes its way into the car. The seats clean so easily. A quick vacuum and there are only a handful of hairs left to pick out by hand. The carpets on the other hand. I just have a grey trunk (white dog, and black carpet) most of the time. Vacuuming doesn't seem to do anything other than orient some of the hair in the same direction.�
Oct 16, 2014
Gizmotoy Very easy to clean. Unlike most fabric car seats, these don't have a ton of little fibers sticking out to allow the dog hair to cling to. I had to keep a lint roller in my alcantara vehicle to get rid of the hair, but just brush it off with my hand (and vacuum the floor) or vacuum the seats directly if it can wait in the S. And I use a Li-Ion underpowered vacuum, so it must be pretty easy.�
Oct 16, 2014
matbl I chose textile mainly for price reasons (the S85 was a stretch anyway) and would easily do the same again. The textile is much better than in the average car. Having had 3 BMW's with leather before the MS, I was a little bit worrie until I got the car.
Also, I think the leather seats are really nice, but the leather is kind of a "too good" quality so while it has a very nice look and feel, I'd say it doesn't match well with kids or dogs and would require some maintenance to remain good.�
Oct 16, 2014
HermosaRyan I just liked the textile look better so I got them. Helped they were cheaper. But I recently found out the leather does have an extra pouch on the drivers side. That would be nice to have since storage space is limited.�
Oct 16, 2014
hiroshiy Leather seats have a pocket!�
Oct 16, 2014
omarsultan Thanks for sharing your experiences with dog and the textile seats - very helpful.
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Oct 16, 2014
GaryREM I have leather seats and have driven a couple of loaners with textile.
I think the textile is quite nice and the selection is one that should be based on what you like. I personally do not understand the two comments I hear about textile versus leather.
First, I don't find the leather slippery at all and have never understood the comments from those that say leather is more slippery. Unless you are putting on some kind of leather treatment (which is probably a mistake anyhow) I find no difference in traction between the two. Second, I don't understand what the issue is regarding temperature difference. I did not find any difference between textile and leather.
There may be some kids and dogs preferences, but dog owners (per the dogs thread) are often putting dogs in back and using covers for the trunk area or seats anyway. A lot of leather seats shown there.�
Oct 16, 2014
Gizmotoy That's why they make multiple kinds of seats: people have different opinions.
I think if you have two surfaces, one smooth, and the other coarse and textured, you're less likely to move around on the latter. The friction on smooth surfaces is less. This can be (and usually is) overcome with substantial bolstering on leather seats, which the current seats lack. When I was at Laguna I rode in a P85 with leather, and as a passenger in my own car. I definitely slid around more in the leather seats. It's not just an "in your head" thing, either. Check out the seats on any serious performance car and you're not going to see much leather (unless it's suede) on the friction surfaces. Even more "pedestrian" sports cars like the Panamera and 911 default to alcantara when you upgrade from the base seats.
More than the above, the fact that leather seats don't breathe very well is huge. I'd love to trade you, I dunno, sweat glands or something but if I spent any amount of time in them I would get out of my leather-equipped cars with a sweaty back even if I was comfortable with the overall temperature in the vehicle.
Which is not to say leather doesn't have some distinct advantages: it's easy to clean, and often feels nicer to the touch (depending on the leather quality). Try 'em both out and get the one you like.�
Oct 17, 2014
Mhotep Leather is my vote.�
Oct 17, 2014
hingisfan How is textile with liquid spills. I have a two year old!�
Oct 17, 2014
ElSupreme It's just as easy to spill on as leather. Your 2 year old will have no problem spilling anything on the textile seats! :biggrin:
They seem to clean really well. But I haven't really had any spills that would soak into them. My seats clean and look NEW, even after 40k miles.�
Oct 17, 2014
alexucf Textile all the way. Leather seats in a florida summer is begging for third degree leg burns.�
Oct 17, 2014
Gizmotoy They come treated with something. Liquids bead up and wipe off.�
Oct 17, 2014
evme Tesla should really offer more color options for textile. But I am guessing that textile does not get enough sales to warrant it? Though I think lack of color options is not helping there.�
Oct 17, 2014
mhh No matter what your trim colour, the roof lining always looks better in black IMO.�
Oct 18, 2014
GaryREM What color?
I would think that is the real factor.�
Oct 18, 2014
kendallpb You let two-year-old kids into your car?!?!?! :scared:
(j/k)�
Nov 30, 2014
Novoman
S85D | Blue grey| Obeche matte | Pano | Auto Pilot| Dual charger HPWC| Sub zero| Delivery March 2015�
Nov 30, 2014
smsprague Just had a loaner with textile seats for a day while my Tesla was in the shop. I found them to be decent but like the feel of the leather. The textile also felt hotter in the Phoenix heat but that could be black vs tan. If you wanted to save money or if leather offends you they would be fine.�
Nov 30, 2014
gg_got_a_tesla Looking forward to the textile seats in my Frankenstein of a P85D. Wasn't too thrilled with the wrinkly, slippery, sweat-inducing first gen leather seats in my original S60. The next gen seats were too expensive to justify.�
Dec 1, 2014
Thud Just received my S85 yesterday with the textile seats. I really like the texture, it's nice and grippy and doesn't feel cheap. I would say the lack of side bolstering in the standard seats is compensated somewhat by the higher friction seating surface. I only wish they had the handy front pockets you get with the leather seats.�
Dec 1, 2014
wycolo Just drove a brand fresh loaner with leather which seemed to work in the cool weather just like my textile seats have done since day one. But then I noticed the Heated Seat icon so turned it ON. Wow. Don't know why my textiles did not come with a heater, maybe they do nowadays. Anyway it should be standard equipment!!
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Dec 1, 2014
smsprague Loaner I had with textile had seat heaters�
Dec 1, 2014
DjiM I have a P85 with textile seats. If you take the tech package, these seats can be heated. As far as I know, they also have the exact same electric motors for seat positioning (including memory per driver profile) as the leather seats.
I actually prefer textile seats in my cars because the cars have to "sleep" outside on the driveway. On hot days as well as on cold days, my personal opinion is that leather's temperature inertia is far too uncomfortable for the bottoms
Even with heated seats, I don't like the first few seconds of petrifyingly cold privates. And in summer, it's always risky to wear shorts with (black!) leather seats.
On the topic of cleaning: the textile still looks pretty good even though my two daughters (2 and 5) repeatedly climb the seats with dirty shoes. It must be said that there are strategically placed fake leather patches that do an excellent job.
I had textile on a Prius and a BMW 5-series before. Never missed the dead cows
The only downside I see it that there isn't a choice for colors.�
Dec 1, 2014
aname4me Textile seats for me too. Have never regretted them even a tiny bit. They are comfortable, look good and have no seat sag. Seat heaters work great. I know some people are total snobs about leather but all the seats I've ever had with leather ended up cracking a little bit along the edges.�
Dec 1, 2014
wycolo > I have a P85 with textile seats. If you take the tech package, these seats can be heated. [DjiM]
Unfortunately sounds like another Tesla 'hostage situation' i.e. get something you need by getting stuff you don't need.
An aftermarket seat heating pad might be the way to go for the 2012s with textile seats. Wearing an overcoat for the first 40 miles is usually what I do Nov > April.
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Dec 1, 2014
CHGolferJim Still wondering when we get color options for textile seats. Is non-alcantara ceiling the same material?�
Dec 1, 2014
Gizmotoy I don't know if something changed very recently, but as of as recently as a few months ago all textile seats were heated (regardless of technology package selection). Tesla added the heaters across the product line somewhere around the major September 2013 revision, touting it as a way to save energy by reducing reliance on the cabin heater. Obviously that doesn't help the 2012s (could you even get textile seats in 2012?) and early 2013s, but anyone ordering now should have them.
I'm more interested in if the textile seats will get a "Next Generation" update or will be slowly phased out. It seems pretty likely that the old seats are something Tesla would like to ditch, and given there isn't a Next Generation option as with the leather seats, I'm not even sure we can count on the textile seats being an option in the future.
To answer your question, though, no the headliner fabric is very different from the seat fabric. The seats feel sturdy and of very high quality, the headliner not so much.�
Dec 1, 2014
CHGolferJim Thanks Gizmo. It hadn't even occurred to me that textile could be eliminated, but I guess you're right. Would Tesla then have to stop upcharge for leather? :wink:�
Dec 1, 2014
bollar Tesla appears to be committed to making vegan cars on request, so I think we can count on some variation of textile available in the future.�
Dec 1, 2014
PlanB Tesla has stepped up the leather. It no longer stretches like it used to. I would order it.�
Dec 2, 2014
rlang59 Actually I think the change occurred during the price increase going into 2013, or at the very least early 2013. I have a May 2013 delivery (March 2013 order) with textile seats and the seat heaters were included at that time. At that same time Tesla made the seats the same and prior to the revision the textile seats were only 8 way power seats and did not have memory.�
Dec 2, 2014
MassModel3 The original owner of my car took ownership May 19th, 2013. The car has black textile seats with heaters and 8-way memory for driver profiles.
We originally wanted to go leather, but when this vehicle became available it had the textile seats. My wife and I were really surprised at how much we liked these seats, and we in no way miss not having leather. That being said, we've had a loaner for the past 3 weeks with leather seats, and they, too, are super comfortable. As a general rule, my wife is partial to leather and will likely go that route when she gets her Model 3, but if I had to do it allover again on the S, I'd probably stick with the textile seats.�
Dec 2, 2014
Gizmotoy You might be right. My memory is a little hazy. I remember in September 2013 I was looking at buying a 1-2 month old inventory car. They were relatively cheap because of the August price increase, but decided not to because none of them had seat heaters in the textile seats, or at least that's what I was told. Further, supposedly none of the showrooms in the Bay Area had the 12-way heated textiles, so I had to buy sight unseen.
But none of that's definitive.�
Dec 2, 2014
gg_got_a_tesla Yup, this. I couldn't get textile with heaters and memory even with my Jan 2013 build MS60 as it was finalized in 2012, pre-price-increase.
More bolstering would be great for the textile seats. I don't think they'd be going away but would simply have a next generation version.�
Dec 2, 2014
Gizmotoy Lets hope. I'd be interested in another Model S, but I'm not buying one with the previous-gen seats, and based on my experience with the textile so far, I absolutely want textile again. I could maybe be swayed if the leather was ventilated, but even then I'm skeptical.�
Dec 3, 2014
wycolo Textile = vegan. That is strange but understandable. 'Woven' might be a better term since it is comprised of plastic threads, not cotton or anything found in nature. Very rugged; dog claw scratches only leave deformations in the thread which don't appear to weaken it. May go away slowly over time, bouncing back.
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Feb 7, 2015
rjcbox Does anyone have pics of textile seats and obeche matte trim?�
Feb 7, 2015
supratachophobia Textile.
They look sporty, less slippery, more comfortable, and the blood comes off well.
Every loaner I've ever had was leather and I've never been impressed. Textile FTW�
Feb 8, 2015
jerry33 The only disadvantages with textile are that there is no kangaroo pocket, and they only come in black. When I purchased mine there were some other disadvantages, such as no 12 way heated seats, but that's been corrected.�
Feb 8, 2015
muleferg Love my Pop Bottle Seats. Lots of the material produced here In NC.
Unifi Inc. expands recycling center - Upholstery Journal�
Feb 8, 2015
smsprague My leather seats are showing heavy wear and discoloration after just 6 months - wish I had gone with textile - I have a 6 year old Acura MDX with the same color Tan seats and it looks fine�
Feb 8, 2015
mackgoo I have textile and I think their fine. I think any negative re sale is made up in the lower sale price to start. And when you consider I started 20% off the top to start because I bought an inventory car I'm fine.�
Feb 8, 2015
eco5280 Give me 2 weeks and my car will arrive with this configuration�
Feb 8, 2015
rjcbox Awesome thanks. Wife and I visited Devon, PA store yesterday w/ ~20 S's but not this config. Wife always gets leather in cars, but liked the textile look/feel much more in person�
Feb 9, 2015
gg_got_a_tesla Having lived with the textile for almost a couple of months now and with the leather in our previous MS, really glad that we got the textile seats. They are much more comfortable overall.�
Feb 25, 2015
rjcbox Paging eco....is your new arrival here??�
Feb 25, 2015
fadkar I don't see Tesla offering colored textile seats anytime soon. They've been cutting down "unnecessary" options to streamline the production process. I doubt colored textile seats will help with that unless there are tons of people demanding it. The next gen seats were an absolutely necessary addition though.�
Feb 26, 2015
neroden I'm going to have to go to the showroom and check out the "next gen" seats sometime... because I really liked the original seats! I'm hoping the next gen seats didn't make them more scooped or bolstered, but if they did, I guess I'm glad I got the model I got.�
Feb 26, 2015
eco5280 I'm here! My car has spent most of it's life at the MF paint protection film place, but let me tell you, the Obeche and textile is gorgeous. I'm so glad I chose this combo. I'll get some pics for you tomorrow when I get my car back.�
Feb 26, 2015
ecarfan The Next Gen seats have much more prominent side bolsters and a slightly more concave base so that you "sit into them" more. That's why so many people say they prefer them. But it sounds like you don't want that. At this point the "old" seats are still coming standard in all models. How long that will be the case I have no idea.�
Feb 26, 2015
Thud I don't know if this has anything to do with the seat material, but the seat heaters seem to work much more quickly in my MS (textile) than our previous cars that have had leather seats. Unfortunately I haven't done a comparison test with a leather-seated Tesla. I'm thinking that the leather would be more of an insulator and make the seats take longer to warm up. My butt is toasty warm within 30 seconds on the Textile seats.�
Feb 26, 2015
muleferg Love my Textile Seats. Still look like new. 1 year old March 18�
Feb 26, 2015
CHGolferJim What is the split for leather vs. textile? 80/20 or so?
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Will you have Pearl White, pano, textile, all black interior by any chance? Which headliner? <drool>�
Feb 26, 2015
rjcbox Definitely leaning towards that combo. Was just catching up on posts, sorry to hear about the paint protection ordeal. Looks like good feedback from other professionals. Hopefully smooth sailing from this point on�
Feb 26, 2015
lg_golfs Thank you for this thread. Feel better about leaning towards Textile when its time to order.
However, I have been lurking around Supercharger stations and my local Tesla store and have yet to see these seats. Hoping to find one in the next month or so before its order time.�
Feb 27, 2015
RyanT Smae here, they seem rare. I finally just ordered them on faith.�
Feb 27, 2015
keumgang Textile af this end and mainly due to very hot and cold temps for leather and also due to not being interested in using animals for chairs if not realy necessary.
its very interesting to see that Tesla is pretty much the only car maker that doesn't force you into leather seats if you buy all other top level luxury assecories available. I personally feel this has something to do with the fact that they expected many buyers to be "environmental conscious" many of whom have aversion against using animals for seats for the same reason....
just my take...�
Feb 27, 2015
CHGolferJim Think so, too. Wish they'd offer in earth tones though..........would pay extra for this low volume option.
Say, has anyone investigated whether oem textile seats can be removed and sold, and a custom option installed for a reasonable cost? Might be hard to get a coordinated interior color scheme though........�
Feb 27, 2015
hingisfan Textiles are great....looks like they will last longer than the leather....Half of the seats are the same synthetic stuff whether textile or leather anyway. I find I don't get hot in the textile like I did in my old car that had leather too.�
Feb 27, 2015
eco5280 As promised, I've got two pictures showing both the Obeche Matte and the Textile seats.
Zoom in on them in your browser, they're large photos. One is clearer on the Obeche, and one shows more of the seat material.
http://i.imgur.com/OnYl1xs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HQctPCi.jpg
I wouldn't change it, I love both.�
Feb 28, 2015
rjcbox Looks great....thanks for posting, happy driving!�
Mar 1, 2015
muleferg Another post on leather
Seat post wear? - Page 24�
Mar 1, 2015
Kit I have had the textile seats for more than two years now and am completely happy with them. To help two couples decide which they wanted to order, I was asked by a local Tesla employee to come to the Seattle Tesla Store so my seats could be seen and tried on in person. I'm confident they'd make the same arrangement for you. It was really fun, too, for me to share my enthusiasm with people who were just about to finalize their order. Do ask!�
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