Oct 21, 2015
breser
Nope not my car, found it here in the v7 thread:
Firmware 7.0 - Page 2
I kept seeing people saying that but didn't remember the Tesla stuff saying that so I went and dug through the v7 thread and found pictures and read again.
What I didn't notice was that picture was from the MotorTrend article and appears to be a pre-release notice. Just checked my own car it does have the center divider verbiage.�
Oct 21, 2015
RAW84 This is similar to TACC, sure they say it should be used on divided highways, but it works fine as long as it can read the lane markings (and the turns aren't too sharp). Since it gives you feedback on how well it's reading the lane markings, one need only be vigilant of this feedback to use AP on non-divided highways. One should be vigilant of this whenever AP is engaged, because even on adv interstate there's sections where AP may not be able clearly identify the lane.�
Oct 21, 2015
Max* That's what I've been saying. I use TACC in places it shouldn't be used. And I've used AP on a similar road to the AP. The difference is that I knew what I was doing was wrong, I didn't hold a cell phone, I keep my hands on/close to the wheel, I watch what the car does.
AP on the highway on long commutes = awesome
AP on roads it's not meant to be used = more stress than driving, but fun to see what the car is capable of�
Oct 21, 2015
mobe Read through this thread to see exactly how bogus this video is. Autopilot appears to turn car against incoming car
That video shows what happens when auto pilot no longer steers the car and external applied forces are no longer counteracted. Watch the slo mo version of that video.�
Oct 21, 2015
zer0cool I know, many videos show people doing things that are contrary to what has been clearly stated that people should do concerning the operations of the AP (where to use, under what conditions, how, etc)...
It's equivalent to say someone complaining that his/her car's transmission is faulty when it's broken because he/she steps on the gas and brake and the same time, explicitly against what the car's manual says... If you operate a car against clearly stated instructions and warnings, and the car fails, it's your fault and it's irresponsible action on your part.�
Oct 21, 2015
MorrisonHiker Not to be the grammar police, but as a programmer, the and/or to me would mean it's for use either "on highways that have a center divider and clear lane markings" OR "where there is a car directly ahead to follow."
With 'or', only the second clause would have to apply. That would imply that it can be used on any roads where there is a car directly ahead. If that's not what they intended then the grammar should probably be updated.�
Oct 21, 2015
DougH It's been almost a full week and no pull yet.�
Oct 21, 2015
RAW84 Maybe the OP uses the Tesla definition of "soon"�
Oct 21, 2015
Vger And there is very clear evidence that the system is already profoundly better in just that one week:
Autopilot is already improving.�
Oct 21, 2015
Max* Was there a car in front of the driver who said the Tesla is trying to kill him?�
Oct 21, 2015
Soolim I think you are correct, and there should be no confusion because of the comma in front of "or". Therefore on a surface street, the auto-steer can be use if you are following another vehicle.�
Oct 21, 2015
Max* I don't think that's what Tesla intended to say, even though that's what's written.
The car has the ability to follow lane markings OR another vehicle (based on what's shown in v7. 1 or 2 blue lanes OR a blue car in front of you). EM stated that it's intended primarily for highway use or some well marked [city? not sure he used that term] streets.�
Oct 21, 2015
MorrisonHiker lol. I wasn't making any comments on the video. Just the 'instructions'! :wink:
If you have something like "A and B or C" then both A and B have to be true in order for it to apply. If C is true then it doesn't matter that A and B are. If they want "A and (B or C)" then they should probably word it better.
I agree with you on what Elon said last week...but the written instructions aren't the best.�
Oct 21, 2015
JohnQ Would you agree that it's an area that needs to be improved in the software? Because on long stretches of highway I often end up in the right lane. Having to put one's hands on the wheel at every exit ramp isn't necessarily a hardship but it's certainly not the optimal behavior.�
Oct 21, 2015
W0QR Driver must be seated or autopilot will disengage.
Autopilot will disengage if no center divider.
You can't enforce good driving as in #3
I think traffic lights is coming..and not just for pedestrians.
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I have 200 miles now!
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Oct 21, 2015
DougH Tesla is constantly improving, that's the great thing about Tesla :biggrin:�
Oct 21, 2015
liuping Several people have reported that it has already started to learn not to veer to the right at exits.�
Oct 21, 2015
AmpedRealtor LOVE this idea!
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I don't believe this is a pre-requisite to pointing out and discussing problems. That's like saying you can't go to the moon because you've never been there before.
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The current incarnation of the feature just might be better at spotting an idiot than oncoming traffic.
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The original "low" setting was totally unsafe. Tesla did the right thing.
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In general there are too many people in the world who define themselves by the products they own. Any criticism of those products is taken as an affront and insult to them, leading to defensive posture and name calling. I agree with your concerns. Given how some people are using this feature, an accident is very likely. I hope nobody is injured. But if that were to pass, the media sh*t storm will be heavy and Tesla will be scrambling at an arguably critical time in their existence when they are focused on their next two releases.
If there is a crash involving injury or death using this feature, you can bet NHTSA will get involved. At that point, all bets are off.
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How so? As far as I can tell, Tesla's implementation is different only in that it doesn't nag you for hands on the wheel. How else is it superior? For instance, how is it better than Mercedes Intelligent Drive which uses a suite of 20-25 sensors and cameras to Tesla's 12-14?
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If autopilot is only for freeway use, why bother with traffic light recognition? Doesn't that imply using Autopilot on surface streets?�
Oct 21, 2015
stopcrazypp Someone else posted this review (from a Mercedes owner) that found the Tesla system far better in handling the road than the Mercedes system despite having far fewer sensors (and it's not about the nag).
http://www.beyond.ca/autopilot-showdown-tesla-p85d-vs-mercedes-e63s-wagon/53192.html�
Oct 21, 2015
JenniferQ There are a lot of "highways" with traffic lights. Many in Texas, for example.�
Oct 21, 2015
AmpedRealtor Okay, thanks. I haven't seen those in my neck of the woods!
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Thank you, that helps. Autopilot is very good at centering the car between lane markers, apparently. I also learned recently that Tesla is the first to allow automated lane change.�
Oct 22, 2015
Soolim I think at this time, the "Automated Lane Change" is just "Assisted Lane Change". When Tesla add the required sensor and software to determined when it is safe for the car to make the lane change, and execute the lane change, then "Automated Lane Change" would be valid.�
Oct 22, 2015
ItsNotAboutTheMoney In the USA "automatic" doesn't mean the same thing that it would elsewhere. Here, for example, a door that opens itself when you hit the disabled/lazy button is an automatic door. It's still mentally jarring for my British brain.
What you're describing would be an autonomous lane change.�
Oct 28, 2015
EchoDelta Meh, too many gestures and interruptions as a UX.
Also, it is different than a "bug"- interacting with things that learn is different than reporting bugs in the popular interpretation of the action.
Eg a Pandora song you didn't like doesn't get a bug report.�
Oct 28, 2015
donv Where are all the auto-steer accidents that were predicted?
I have yet to hear of one, although I have heard of at least one accident that auto-steer prevented.�
Oct 28, 2015
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Oct 28, 2015
DougH Tesla Autopilot saves the day - YouTube�
Oct 29, 2015
Spidy As far as keeping hands on the steering wheel goes...
Fox News reporter using Autopilot while pretending to read a book and looking into the camera with a TESLA employee on the passenger seat! Later also not really bothering to check mirrors when initiating the lane changes.
Testing Tesla's self-driving cars | On Air Videos | Fox News�
Oct 31, 2015
EchoDelta Hmm I think that's patronizing. Maybe it can happen to someone who hasn't yet been imparted with your infinite wisdom. The car could quickly find itself hurtling to a stop sign or a clover leaf turn , or a late correction could be a hazard to driver or nearby cars.
It's not impossible to solve or to improve, and the purpose of the beta is to elicit feedback about priority improvement areas�
Nov 1, 2015
Magus We love our Model S, at least 97%. Even those un satisfied wouldn't want out $70-140k cars damaged or be in an accident. These would seem to be adequate reasons not to abuse autopilot. The initial reaction is hey oh my god look what it can do. Tesla supplies its intended use and instructions - even with every drive. You also pick up on corrections. You are told to keep hands on both wheels and take over at any time. Your average Tesla driver is probably has greater intelligence than the average person. When a Tesla spokesperson said they expected that drivers would use their AP responsibly, they were most likely being accurate.�
Nov 1, 2015
davidc18 AutoPilot works great, today, before any updates. I've used it everyday since release and it behaves very predictably which is why it is so freaking AMAZiNG. I can't wait to see what comes next.
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Nov 1, 2015
ItsNotAboutTheMoney Wouldn't be the first person to drive like that.�
Nov 1, 2015
RMG007 I admit, I haven't read this entire thread, but have they yanked guns on the shelves because they sometimes kill people?�
Nov 1, 2015
tezzla yea, it seemed okay when I wrote it, but looking back I can see that connotation. That wasn't my intent, so I apologize for making it sound so harsh.�
Nov 1, 2015
dhanson865 How old does this thread have to be before we rename the title from Prediction: Tesla Pulls Autosteer Function Soon to Failed Prediction: Tesla didn't pull Autosteer Function ?�
Nov 1, 2015
roblab Ain't it the truth!! They say we are all fan boys, but the nay-sayers and doomsters LOVE to start a story just to get the 15 seconds of fame if anyone responds.
I showed off my 90D today to a couple at a party. What did they want to see? AUTO PILOT! So we found a stretch of curvy two lane road headed out into the wild that had decent lines, and watched the car curve and keep the straightaway centered. Of course there was another half hour or more about best safety, best aerodynamics, best power, speed, best looks (of course not on par with a Jeep), best cornering, best braking, free forever road trips, best fast charging -- I'm forgetting something in there, but you get the idea. Another future Tesla owner family!
Man, I like this car! Except that Autopilot, which eventually will kill us all, and Tesla will pull it right before they go bankrupt.
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Nov 1, 2015
S'toon Well, the originator of the thread was banned for being an obnoxious troll after all...�
Nov 1, 2015
ecarfan So... two weeks later.. how do you define "soon"?�
Nov 1, 2015
S'toon He is unable to reply. He was banned.�
Nov 1, 2015
JenniferQ Yeah, enough already!! It's working great!�
Nov 2, 2015
EchoDelta Fantastic! Especially for a beta! Soon the amount of native data may override the need for supervised learning signaling, but what I don't know if soon=months or a couple years.�
Nov 2, 2015
EchoDelta No worries! And thanks for the note, a nice civil surprise on TMC.�
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