teslamotorclub: Poll: How do you feel about Grill-less front end styling? part 1

There are lot of people posting alternate grill designs. I would like to get a view of how many people really don't like it.

I think it is just something new and distinct. Tesla should stick with it, and eventually it could be as iconic as the Porsche 911 front end. They definitely shouldn't use a fake grill IMO.
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It's not the lack of a grille that bothers me, is the odd looking, not-aerodynamic-looking-at-all flat area on the front bumper.

If the bumper were rounded off, the lack of a grille wouldn't bother me at all. As it is, it looks like someone ran the car into a wall.
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Voted for "it's fine, don't change it" but I won't mind the refinements they are going to make.
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Weird at first, but I actually think the front end is looking better and better.
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Doesn't look right
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The front end needs a little massaging and visual interest. I'm not sure if a "grille" is the right way to do it, but either way it's not a big concern for me.

The biggest objection seems to be the fact that most people are accustomed to cars having big gaping holes in the front of them, so that's what we expect. It would seem there's plenty of opportunity to make a clean break from the past while also designing something beautiful and efficient/aerodynamic.
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ucmndd said: ?

The biggest objection seems to be the fact that most people are accustomed to cars having big gaping holes in the front of them, so that's what we expect.
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No.

Everybody here isn't concerned with the lack of grill, they are concerned that the shape is strange.

All of us expected no grill or very minimal grill (a la Model X) and that is what we got, but we also got a weird misshapen potato shape out of it. People aren't happy about that.
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I really need to see it in person.
The nose really stands out at the reveal when the cars are on stage, but that's not a normal angle. I don't think I have a clear idea of what it looks like in person.
However, I'm not cancelling my reservation, or my purchase based on what the nose looks like.
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The nose looks better from some angles than it does from some others. I'm fine with the way it currently looks, but I'm not opposed to some tweaking to smooth out some of the bluntness... as long as this redesign doesn't negativity impact aerodynamics or the production schedule. But absolutely no grill!
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Doesn't look right at first obviously from lens distortion and weird angles. The more I see it, I like it better and better. It looks fine the way it is, but wouldn't mind some minor tweaking.
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No issues with or without because the overall design is AWESOME.
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I set it as my laptop wallpaper, and seeing it every day I have to say it's really grown on me. I want it to scream SPACE CAR to everyone that sees it.

What it's like to own a Tesla Model S - A cartoonist's review of his magical space car - The Oatmeal
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The more pics I see of it the more I like it now. Not that I hated it in the first place.
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jkk_ said: ?

Voted for "it's fine, don't change it" but I won't mind the refinements they are going to make.
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Feel the exact same way, but I voted the second option. The rounded off options just look slightly better to me. I'm happy either way, though.
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It's grown on me. We need a front number (license) plate in the UK so I'd like to see it with one on.
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I'm fine with it.
If it is changed, I won't be upset, unless it has a fake "grill" which only has the purpose of increasing drag.
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Poorly structured survey. People don't necessarily want a grill, they just don't want a front nose that looks like it can off a traditional EV (aka. Weird mobile)
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I actually started liking it as is from the reveal, so my vote is to leave it as is. I looked at several grill ideas here and then looking at the pictures/videos showing the 3 in the wild and I am questioning why does it have to have something unnecessary on the front bumper? Its simple, aggressive, streamlined that looks really attractive. One added bonus is that license plate will fit nicely in front for me.
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I think it looks great. I really hope they don't get swayed by the vocal minority on this one.
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I picked the "it's fine" option but I think it's MORE than fine. I love it. I took me about 5 minutes looking at it to feel comfortable with it.... But then it looked just right. I think that's a sign of how progressive it is that it feels odd initially, because it jumps to a new place.

I think it's really modern and forward thinking. I think once these cars get on the road people are going to really fall in love with them from an aesthetic point of view.

That's how I feel anyway!
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I also picked "it's fine" if they do some minor tweaking I have nothing against it. Also for me it looks a lot better in real life (street) photos than in glorified official renders/photos.
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AdrianEdson said: ?

I think it's really modern and forward thinking. I think once these cars get on the road people are going to really fall in love with them from an aesthetic point of view.
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I kind of feel the same, and think it would be a shame if Tesla watered it down because of a vocal minority.
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I think the Model 3 is the best looking Tesla yet. They really managed to get the sleekness of the Model S, and the nose is far superior to the Model X. It looks modern and stylish. And at the same time, it's not a weirdmobile. Something about it just reminds me of Porsche.
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Quite a few comments saying it's grown on me...I think it's human nature for people to feel more positive about something they really want as time goes on. Doesn't mean they truly like it.
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It's definitely grown on me. When I first saw it, I was like, "That's....different." But when I saw some different angles of it, I think it looks aggressive and sporty. Kind of Porsche-like. I wouldn't object if they fine-tuned the shape slightly, but the fact that it doesn't have a traditional grille doesn't bother me. As I said before, why hold on to a vestigal affectation when it doesn't serve a purpose?
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tga said: ?

It's not the lack of a grille that bothers me, is the odd looking, not-aerodynamic-looking-at-all flat area on the front bumper.

If the bumper were rounded off, the lack of a grille wouldn't bother me at all. As it is, it looks like someone ran the car into a wall.
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I concur with the statement above. The front bumper modified to some extent like below would be palatable.

Above image pulled from this thread here: Grill Me!
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Not to nitpick but what does any of this have to do with a grille? A grille is an opening in the front. Why does "grille" keep getting mentioned? I can't remember anyone ever complaining about the lack of conventional ICE type of front grille on the Model 3.

The opening in the bottom of the front is there for functional, cooling purposes. I suppose one could call that a grille opening, that doesn't seem to be a point of contention for anyone.

What concerned many (including myself) was purely the shape of the front bumper cap. Specifically, the blunted upturned nose of the cap that didn't seem to go with the rest of the car's design language.
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It's definitely grown on me over time... just like the front of the X. I love the S but it's starting to look old school to me now.
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hoang51 said: ?

I concur with the statement above. The front bumper modified to some extent like below would be palatable.

Above image pulled from this thread here: Grill Me!
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each to their own, but by far that is probably the worst modification i've seen. Might as well slap chvrolet badge on it.
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It struck me as a bit strange when I first saw it, but I am good with it, if it remains. My priorities are aerodynamics (WITH license plate) first, appearance a distant second. I do hope they are doing wind tunnel tests with both American and European license plates.

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While I'd love the Boxster looking nose, I can understand the concept being based on the aero advantage.
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It's unique for Tesla and not a generic nose??????????
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If I wanted a Boxster, I'd buy a Boxster. Leave it alone. It looks great.

I'm sure the engineers at Tesla have access to a damn wind tunnel. They certainly have access to a computer with CFD software. Anyone who says the front is not aerodynamic needs to show me a fluid model that proves it before I'll believe you over the highly paid designers who are highly paid to do this. My ASSumption is that the front creates some sort of an aero split that helps with downforce.
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its odd that so many posts have been made about the nose, but not even 3% said it will affect their buying decision.
If I wanted a car with a grill, I'd get one that had a tail pipe that the grill implies you need
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MTN Ranger said: ?

While I'd love the Boxster looking nose, I can understand the concept being based on the aero advantage.
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A flat blunt nose is hardly aerodynamic.
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I like it as is but if they tweak it a bit for even better aero I think I'd be fine with that.
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James Anders said: ?

A flat blunt nose is hardly aerodynamic.
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What people think is aerodynamic isn't necessarily right.

Here is one of the most aerodynamic vehicles ever created, with flat blunt nose:

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I'm all about efficiency (coming from a Volt with 35mi range), so I'm good with the front end. Yes, a modified front end would look better IMO but I don't want it changed at the cost of range. You do you Elon.
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Snowdog said: ?

What people think is aerodynamic isn't necessarily right.

Here is one of the most aerodynamic vehicles ever created, with flat blunt nose:

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Isn't quite the same. Those lines are more rounded and the "snub" doesn't stick out from the rest of the front end, it IS the front end.
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eisbock said: ?

Isn't quite the same. Those lines are more rounded and the "snub" doesn't stick out from the rest of the front end, it IS the front end.
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Of course it is not exactly the same. The point remains. What you think aerodynamic looks like, probably isn't correct.

Tesla is aiming for 0.21, so it is very unlikely their front is a non-aerodynamic affectation.

You can dislike how the front end looks, but really no one here is likely qualified to determine that it isn't aerodynamic just by looking at it. It almost certain that everyones Photoshop "improvements" would likely make it worse.
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First world problems.... Won't buy a car because it doesn't have an unneeded grill...
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First time i saw it i liked it and now i like it even more. Its the tail lights that need a massive change.
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Snowdog said: ?

Of course it is not exactly the same. The point remains. What you think aerodynamic looks like, probably isn't correct.

Tesla is aiming for 0.21, so it is very unlikely their front is a non-aerodynamic affectation.

You can dislike how the front end looks, but really no one here is likely qualified to determine that it isn't aerodynamic just by looking at it. It almost certain that everyones Photoshop "improvements" would likely make it worse.
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The .21 is most certainly coming from its overall footprint compared to the S. It's a smaller vehicle with similar proportions; it will be more aerodynamic. You'll notice that the car you posted is tiny and has a VERY small drag area. I would speculate the front is the shape it is to fit the engine and maintain aerodynamics the best it can. Notice how thin it is. Shape is important, but it will only get you so far. The less object there is, the better.

But onto the shape: simple flow experiments show what a flat surface does to fluid flow. Turbulence!

All that *sugar* on the sides is not good for aerodynamics. The snub nose is essentially a rectangle creating that effect on top of the hood.

Much nicer on the sides. The only reason I can think of for the snub would be to direct flow to the sides of the car, but I'm not sure why you would want to purposefully create turbulence on the largest surface area of the vehicle and instead focus flow on the much less aerodynamic sides (tires, wheel wells, doors, etc.).

I'll be the first to admit that I don't know *sugar* about aerodynamics beyond a couple aerospace classes in university, but generally speaking, flat surfaces normal to flow are bad. I would love for somebody to correct me though and tell me why going against conventional aerodynamic engineering with the snub makes sense. Seriously, I'm very curious.

Now, in actuality, the snub probably doesn't change the aerodynamics too much because the overall frontal area and good aerodynamics elsewhere is more important (going back to that smaller footprint), but it will only hurt the drag coefficient. I'd wager it's sitting pretty at .22 or .23 now. We're probably gonna get .22 in the end.

I have a feeling the snub was an extreme design done to gauge interest and see the reaction of something so completely different to what we're used to. Notice how Tesla didn't reveal any drag numbers. Hell, they didn't talk about aerodynamics at all! Seems strange, considering the importance. All we got was Elon's cryptic "hopefully .21" tweet, which suggests that the nose will be changing to make the car more aerodynamic. The rest of the car is rock solid, aerodynamic-wise. Not sure how you can improve on that. Even the rear spoiler shape is particularly aggressive compared to the S and X.
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eisbock said: ?

The .21 is most certainly coming from its overall footprint compared to the S. It's a smaller vehicle with similar proportions; it will be more aerodynamic.
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Size has nothing to do with the coefficient of drag. Which is what the .21 refers to. If they achieve .21 it will be from the shape, not the size.

I'll be the first to admit that I don't know *sugar* about aerodynamics beyond a couple aerospace classes in university, but generally speaking, flat surfaces normal to flow are bad.
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So why do you think you are qualified to second guess the engineers/scientist working at Tesla. Maybe you would like to school SpaceX work on rocket recovery?

Also the front is NOT flat. It is blunt. There is a difference, there i s a gentle curve to the front end.

Here is the ideal aerodynamic shape. Note the front isn't pointy or wedged. It's blunt.

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Just an idea. Not sure if we would be talking about the nose if we saw the front look something like this.

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Pando said: ?

Just an idea. Not sure if we would be talking about the nose if we saw the front look something like this.

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Looks very nice. May be you can get a 3D appliqu� from these guys!
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Snowdog said: ?

There are lot of people posting alternate grill designs. I would like to get a view of how many people really don't like it.

I think it is just something new and distinct. Tesla should stick with it, and eventually it could be as iconic as the Porsche 911 front end. They definitely shouldn't use a fake grill IMO.
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Strange design. Maybe they thought the platypus look would appeal to the Australian market?
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Glad to see the pros winning this pole. I wasn't impressed by it initially but by the end of the reveal I had already started warming up to it. I'd hate to pay a couple hundred for a fake grill that has no purpose just for the sake of having a passing resemblance to ICE cars.

Embrace the future brah!!!
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I am okay with the front as long as whatever design they end up gives the best aerodynamic efficiency.

I do not want a fake grill or anything. Clean and minimal as possible please.

Other than that, it's a great looking car for the similar priced Chevy Bolt.
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The front end looks pretty good in this video of the Model 3 in the wild (posted in the Tesla forums):

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Hi, First post. IMHO, I'm thinking that they probably did the nose on purpose. To generate the buzz that it is creating. Great idea and kudo's to whoever came up with it.
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Refreshing or Revolting: Tesla Model 3

Why would Motor Trend publish such an article if the M3 styling was clearly a home run?
Perhaps it's blunt nose is out of place in cutting edge design and aerodynamics. It is unique, but will the mass market leave their ICE cars for a unique look, if they have to rationalize the design and "warm up to it". The mass market may not be as forgiving as the tech and EV enthusiast who have laid their money down sight unseen.
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boiler81 said: ?

Refreshing or Revolting: Tesla Model 3

Why would Motor Trend publish such an article if the M3 styling was clearly a home run?
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Clickbait. It's what passes for online journalism these days.
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Perhaps the nose is set up to create just a little bit of turbulence. It could be that they're doing this intentionally to cut down on wind noise or some drag on a part of the car that can't be changed.

Anyway, somebody should probably start another thread on it because it's been like 3 hours since the last new one.
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I think it looks great in that video. Two years is too long!
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AlanSqB said: ?

Anyway, somebody should probably start another thread on it because it's been like 3 hours since the last new one.
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This isn't a duplicate, there are threads going on about how terrible the front end is, but I wanted to get some sense whether there was a real issue, or just the usual internet vocal minority that will complain about everything.

It definitely looks like the vocal minority of complainers and not a real problem.
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Snowdog said: ?

This isn't a duplicate, there are threads going on about how terrible the front end is, but I wanted to get some sense whether there was a real issue, or just the usual internet vocal minority that will complain about everything.

It definitely looks like the vocal minority of complainers and not a real problem.
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Your conclusion isn't valid. There are two issues that people have brought up: (1) the lack of a grille, and (2) the general shape of the front end. They are related, but different issues.

Your poll only asks about #1. 3/4 of the respondents don't want a grille. That doesn't mean 3/4 of them like the shape of the front end. I think a grille is stupid. That doesn't mean I'm enamored with the shape of the front end.

Plus, TBH, the opinions of a bunch of hard core Tesla fans don't really matter. We'll all probably buy anyway. What matters is does it appeal to the general public (ie, will it maximize sales).
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With over 300K reservations in a week Tesla doesn't need to worry about maximizing sales for many many years. It's just not a real issue.
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tga said: ?

Your conclusion isn't valid. There are two issues that people have brought up: (1) the lack of a grille, and (2) the general shape of the front end. They are related, but different issues.

Your poll only asks about #1.
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Not it doesn't. It ask how you feel about the current, grill-less front end, and if you want to change it, or keep it the same.

In no way does that imply the only change I am talking about is sticking on a fake grill. It also includes attempts to reshape it, and I think most people get that. I am sure you got it enough to vote for change.
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I think I will get the 3 in white or grey and then add these decals to the front Warhawk Sticker Decal Vinyl Flying Tiger Shark Teeth Fighter Jet Bite War Hawk
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It is very difficult to access the 3D sculpture of the nose in separate still photos. When the car is in motion the nose looks OK, although a bit plain. If the shape is in fact the honest, best case pure science/engineering design for aerodynamics, then so be it. I can learn to love it.
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The flat nose is polarizing and draws attention to itself; it should harmonize with the whole: draws
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I like the snub shark-like nose it presently has.
The rounded renderings I've so far remind me too much of a Porsche.
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AlanSqB said: ?

If I wanted a Boxster, I'd buy a Boxster. Leave it alone. It looks great.

I'm sure the engineers at Tesla have access to a damn wind tunnel. They certainly have access to a computer with CFD software. Anyone who says the front is not aerodynamic needs to show me a fluid model that proves it before I'll believe you over the highly paid designers who are highly paid to do this. My ASSumption is that the front creates some sort of an aero split that helps with downforce.
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To convince me that the front isn't the best aerodynamic choice, you'd have to show me a fluid model of your alternative *with a front license plate on* and compare it with the Tesla Model 3 with a front plate on.

Frankly I think the flat section is not much larger than the space needed for the front license plate (remembering that US and Euro plates are different shapes -- and the Hong Kong plate is yet another shape). The car starts curving immediately past license-plate-width on both sides, and below for the air scoop, and above (which is admittedly a pretty sharp curve).

If you are in a rare location which doesn't require front number plates, feel free to attach a decal.
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Chris L's render looks great from that angle, and I don't have a problem with Porsche-ish feel. His and Ander's renders show the benefit of a more integrated front/rear look. If the aerodynamics are so delicate that even a tweak or two affects it, what is going to happen when the license plate is attached?
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I really like the front end. Particularly how they separated the front trunk and the bumper. I think trying to fit the leading edge of the front trunk of the S and X with the nosecone/bumper lead to the weakest styling elements of both of those otherwise stunning looking vehicles. I'd buy a model 3 style front bumper for my S if something was available from Tesla. Hopefully the final design tweaks will be similar to the final front design tweaks that both the S and X went through -- subtle but effective improvements that refined the look of the car.
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It's horrible, laughable, ridiculous and I'd never buy the car the way the front is. The rest of the outside is great. Doesn't need a grill, but needs something. Embarrassing!
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arjay said: ?

Chris L's render looks great from that angle, and I don't have a problem with Porsche-ish feel. His and Ander's renders show the benefit of a more integrated front/rear look. If the aerodynamics are so delicate that even a tweak or two affects it, what is going to happen when the license plate is attached?
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As I understood it, Tesla is still tweaking the front end, and I seem to remember Elon stating something along these lines, but don't quote me. You know they are trying to get the Cd down to .21, so it seems evident they are not there yet.

I just feel the original design is to sharp, the lines don't seem to line up. There are lots of shapes that have .21 Cd, and they aren't flat angled planes.
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And what you end up below is bland and generic.
I prefer the Tesla design which has much more character.

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The flat nose is polarizing and draws attention to itself; it should harmonize with the whole: draws
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I love it. Really, really hope they don't change it at all.
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I like the front end. I also don't understand the complaints about it being flat. Look at the front of a new Mazda, or the front of an Aston Martin. It just doesn't have a grill breaking up the surface.

My guess is they'll pull in a treatment similar to what they did with the Model X. I'm digging what they got now, and I bet the refinements will be pretty sweet too.
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The biggest problem with the nose is a lack of contrast. It needs something to break up the flat plane that makes it look stubby and not sleek.
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Odenator said: ?

The biggest problem with the nose is a lack of contrast. It needs something to break up the flat plane that makes it look stubby and not sleek.
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If they bring the treatment they used on the X, that'd likely do what you're talking about.
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Chris L said: ?

The flat nose is polarizing and draws attention to itself; it should harmonize with the whole: draws
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Wow! This is really beautiful. Removing the "duck bill" makes a big difference.
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It took a couple of hours and the realization that my home state will require a license plate in the flat area -- but I really like the front end styling.
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Odenator said: ?

The biggest problem with the nose is a lack of contrast. It needs something to break up the flat plane that makes it look stubby and not sleek.
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A front license plate will break up the flat area.

My home state (Illinois) requires it, and it looks like Tesla's designers provided for that.
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I have to agree, the front license plate requirement many states/countries is what I thought of right away. If you look up sports cars with front license plates, many look terrible with a really pointy fronts broken up by a big rectangle. It seems they may have designed for it which is nice.
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The more i look at it, the better it looks. Just really need to adjust the standard mentality from a grille to a nose.
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cmathews said: ?

Wow! This is really beautiful. Removing the "duck bill" makes a big difference.
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But then it's a Porsche and not a Tesla
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I have the same opinion, Tesla cars have their own design, and after the Roadster and Model S there's the new nose design, more designed for a smooth airflow and addressing the electric power train. The rendering from above is very close to the design language of Porsche, they have their own unique lines, so it's good to seperate from that.
Anyway the Model 3 has some analogies to Porsche due to the frunk seam and prominent front fenders. So in a word, I like it very much.
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I believe that the production car will have the model X and soon to be revealed Model S front end.
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I hope not.
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Just make the lower grille larger and maybe move the badge to the bumper.

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IMO it could use some improvement. but the more i see this car the more I like it.
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Snowdog said: ?

You can dislike how the front end looks, but really no one here is likely qualified to determine that it isn't aerodynamic just by looking at it. It almost certain that everyones Photoshop "improvements" would likely make it worse.
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love how you lecture on the unqualified positions that all who are commenting on the aerodynamics of changes and then turn around and give your own statement about the changes making it worse.... are you an aeronautical engineer?
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hoang51 said: ?

I concur with the statement above. The front bumper modified to some extent like below would be palatable.

Above image pulled from this thread here: Grill Me!
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This mod is the best one I've seen, I like it better than putting the X front on there (which is probably how it will end up)...
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skilly said: ?

love how you lecture on the unqualified positions that all who are commenting on the aerodynamics of changes and then turn around and give your own statement about the changes making it worse.... are you an aeronautical engineer?
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It's a reasonable assumption that Tesla is already doing it's best for aerodynamics, and that people futzing around in Photoshop with no access to a wind tunnel are only going to make it worse.
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Surprising then how all the other car companies who do have wind tunnels and massive compute CFD power don't all put blunt noses on their cars.
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James Anders said: ?

Surprising then how all the other car companies who do have wind tunnels and massive compute CFD power don't all put blunt noses on their cars.
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I'm sorry, you obviously didn't get the memo that all critical posts in this thread must include scanned copies of the poster's degrees and transcript, showing completion of a course of study in aerodynamic engineering, at the masters level or higher, with a GPA of 3.7 or higher.
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James Anders said: ?

Surprising then how all the other car companies who do have wind tunnels and massive compute CFD power don't all put blunt noses on their cars.
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The other car companies don't obsess about aerodynamic efficiency like Tesla does, because 99.9% of their vehicles are ICE and they don't care enough about eking out another 0.5mpg.
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James Anders said: ?

Surprising then how all the other car companies who do have wind tunnels and massive compute CFD power don't all put blunt noses on their cars.
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Tesla is shooting for .21cd....what other car company does that?
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James Anders said: ?

Surprising then how all the other car companies who do have wind tunnels and massive compute CFD power don't all put blunt noses on their cars.
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Since none of those companies produce vehicles with even close to a cd of .21 is that really surprising? Not really a great example. Let's be real here, with the S and X Tesla has proven they do aero better than most, do you really think they'll drop the ball with the 3, where aero is even more important?
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johnny2five said: ?

Quite a few comments saying it's grown on me...I think it's human nature for people to feel more positive about something they really want as time goes on. Doesn't mean they truly like it.
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It is human nature to not like change and to actual fear change.

When companies bring out a substantially new prototype, especially years ahead of debut, it is in part to acclimate people to change.
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Don't care about the grille. Quit giving Elon things to contemplate changing and let his team focus on accelerating production planning!
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Given the reveal of the new Model S front end, I think it is obvious that the shape is here to stay.

The only question is if the Model 3 stays naked or gets the Model S badging. I think it will end up the front end badging for brand consistency. I am fine with it either way.

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I didn't change anything on this picture except pasting in the opening from the new Model S design

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What would really annoy me is having to put a license plate on the front. Ruining the looks and messing a bit with aerodynamics. To Bad you couldn't get some kind of removable decal instead of the plate.
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James Anders said: ?

Surprising then how all the other car companies who do have wind tunnels and massive compute CFD power don't all put blunt noses on their cars.
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With an ICE car it would make almost no difference. First, you need a big drag inducing grill to get rid of all the excess heat from the extremely inefficient gas engine and since the gas engine is so inefficient gains in mileage are mostly about tweaks to the engine rather than optimizing for aerodynamics.

Do you really believe that Tesla decided on a front end that would reduce the cars range because somebody thought it would look neat? I would say the odds of that are very small indeed.
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McHoffa said: ?

I didn't change anything on this picture except pasting in the opening from the new Model S design
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This looks excellent!
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RobStark said: ?

It is human nature to not like change and to actual fear change.

When companies bring out a substantially new prototype, especially years ahead of debut, it is in part to acclimate people to change.
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Exactly. The idea that you get used to it but still prefer the old style is generally only a stage. On the contrary, in a couple years the old oval nose cones will look very outdated. Obviously there will still be people who prefer them. There are people out there who still prefer 80's cars, but for myself I look back at cars I drooled over in the '80s or '90s and can hardly believe it. I think this will be the same.
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Snowdog said: ?

What would really annoy me is having to put a license plate on the front. Ruining the looks and messing a bit with aerodynamics. To Bad you couldn't get some kind of removable decal instead of the plate.
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Or possibly Tesla could make a clear fronted compartment to put the license plate inside. Keep the aerodynamics, even with the pesky front plate.

Thank you kindly.
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Why would you want a grill when you don't need one. The black plastic in the front is just to help you transition to electric vehicles. 10 years from now it will be 'ODD' to have one with the black hole in the front!
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To me this is not an issue of being �grill-less� but rather one of aesthetics, actually a gross lack there-of (and perhaps even compromised aerodynamics). In fact there is a grill in the sense that there is a below-the-bumper opening to admit cooling air for the battery coolant system and air-conditioner. Going without a grill opens up plenty of aerodynamic and styling improvement opportunities which I welcome and which I am sure will eventually render some very attractive front ends, but this new �corporate front end� from Tesla is not one of them. It isn�t now and I don�t think it ever will be even with the mellowing effects of time and familiarity.

As much as I hate this front end I will still buy a Tesla when I can afford one, but it will certainly be in spite of the �duck nose�. All the other attributes will always tilt the decision in favour of Tesla. Too bad the poll doesn�t give the option �hate it but will still buy because everything else is too good to miss�.
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The M3 is way past the need for a pacifier grille opening. My only concern is with the awkward unfinished nose design. EM says they are tweaking as we speak and that's good enough for me (for now). I like the covered recessed license plate aspect and that may make the design better all by itself.
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I think its pretty clear that now the Model S has gone this way we will not be suddenly going back to a fake grill.
With the benefit of hindsight it obvious that the Model 3 was deliberately that way to deflect speculation about the Model S revamp.
Equally likely is the Model 3 ending up much more like the others but an updated version
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I really like it. Tesla keeps making their cars look better and better, while improving the underlying technology constantly. It's amazing../
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Canuck1966 said: ?

I believe that the production car will have the model X and soon to be revealed Model S front end.
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This is the most likely change to happen to the front end. With the X and now the X, Tesla is establishing their signature front end in the same way the BMW has their kidney grill. It's the new (and foreseeable) design language for their vehicles.
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setheryb said: ?

This is the most likely change to happen to the front end. With the X and now the X, Tesla is establishing their signature front end in the same way the BMW has their kidney grill. It's the new (and foreseeable) design language for their vehicles.
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Yes, except Tesla is hopefully establishing a trend in the direction of no grille two years from now.
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Number one, I don�t like the new nose, two - Tesla has a lot of technology (new). How about having TM just fix some of what is wrong, (1) seat belts (2) sun visor (3) front carpets (4) valet mode (speed no grater than 30 MPH range 5 miles.
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Thứ Tư, 25 tháng 1, 2017

Poll: How do you feel about Grill-less front end styling? part 1

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