Jun 2, 2016
houdini Tesla Model 3's design will be finished in six weeks, Elon Musk says
"Almost all of the Model 3 design is done, and we're aiming for pencils down basically in six weeks, complete pencils down. And we're tabling � you know, if there are ideas for future cool things, we'll have it in version 2, version 3," Elon Musk said today.�
Jun 2, 2016
Dan Detweiler Great news! As I had hoped, it appears that there was a lot more done with this car at the time of the first reveal than they let on.
Dan�
Jun 2, 2016
T3SLA3 I hope 'in six weeks ... the design is done' is not strictly correct.
I suspect what is meant the mechanical design will be locked to allow manufacturing tooling to start. This would be the big ticket critical path to mass production.
Design will continue on the electronics (sensors, displays etc) and of course software.
I am hoping the next generation autopilot will be a big deliverable.�
Jun 2, 2016
Dynastar I'm sure the autopilot hardware is locked in by now, most likely the triple camera setup we've seen in the 2016 model S schematics. Since Elon also said that part 2 of the reveal will be this year it would make sense that introducing autopilot V2 will be part of the reveal. "Here's what the model 3 will have, or buy it now on the S and X!"�
Jun 2, 2016
geoffreak Did anyone else notice the other tidbit linked from this article? Elon Musk promises 'big' event for Model 3 later this year�
Jun 2, 2016
techmaven I assume that pencils down really applies to anything that is critical path or near critical path to making the Model 3. They are still making changes to the Model S and so there are still iterations of all sorts of other things that aren't critical path or is subject to revision anyways.�
Jun 2, 2016
deonb Technically Elon's statement only covered the parts of the design that is done by using a pencil.
I didn't even know that they still sell those...�
Jun 2, 2016
ModelNforNerd I'm more excited about Reveal Part 2, which he alluded to having later this year....
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Jun 2, 2016
tomas I hope not. Design should be locked down now in order to gear up plant and supply chain. That means everything. Of course there will be further changes due to unforeseen issues or technology opportunities. But each should be carefully weighed against schedule and production implications. The important thing for V1 3 is to meet price target and delivery schedule, not incorporate every whiz bang technology advance - especially AP. The S and X should be proving grounds for AP upgrades.�
Jun 2, 2016
ModelNforNerd
6 weeks from now is mid-July.
His "ready-to-go" date for suppliers and internally is July 1, 2017.
You can't tell me that 11 1/2 months isn't enough time.
Final design: July 2016.
Reveal 2: Q4 (probably early Dec) (basing this on his "later this year" statement at Code Conference yesterday)
Configurator for current owners, Employees, and Day 1 reservations: staggered, starting in early Q2.
Why the configurator so early? It will give Tesla and suppliers a good idea of WHAT they need for supplies. For example...in the 1st wave, what if 5% choose grey vegan interior option? That has to be sourced. And since he's stated multiple times that "highly-optioned" orders will be built 1st....they need to be able to define what "highly-optioned" is.�
Jun 2, 2016
Boourns I thought he said several weeks ago that the design would be done six weeks from then?�
Jun 2, 2016
plankeye So it appears they have already slipped 2-4 weeks, since he said 6-8 weeks in the 1Q conf. call on 5/4.
"From an engineering standpoint, we're almost complete with the design of Model 3. And in fact the prototype that was driving at the [motor] event end of March was actually using the production drivetrain.
So I think we feel pretty good about engineering completion of the last items, probably within six to eight weeks, thereabouts. So we're completing final release for [tooling] no later than the end of June."
Tesla Motors (TSLA) Earnings Report: Q1 2016 Conference Call Transcript�
Jun 2, 2016
plankeye Missed it by that much.�
Jun 2, 2016
Boourns So you're on Elon time, too?�
Jun 2, 2016
ModelNforNerd
*shrug* he misspeaks a lot. He didn't really make the Supercharging statement very clear (see also: various threads on the board....)
I made my wife watch some of the Shareholders' meeting. She asked me if #AwkwardElon was trending on Twitter. Surprisingly, it was not.�
Jun 2, 2016
Max* Knowing EM/Tesla, it'll be December 31st at 11:59pm.�
Jun 2, 2016
ModelNforNerd
Hopefully they saw the abysmal ratings college football garnered attempting to hold a game on NYE, and rethink that strategy.
Do it New Year's Day, when we're all home and hungo......resting up.�
Jun 2, 2016
melindav I'd rather listen to Elon who comes off sincere, if awkward, than a smooth talking BSer.�
Jun 2, 2016
MiamiNole Tabling cool ideas into version 2 or 3? This is simply UNACCEPTABLE! Gimme my money back...�
Jun 2, 2016
MiamiNole Being an engineer myself, I can totally relate. I'm already not the best speaker, let alone if I knew people were actively dissecting every word I said. I probably wouldn't even make any public appearances. Everything I had to say would have to be via press release...�
Jun 2, 2016
Chopr147 Leave it to this forum to tear apart every word and let the rest of us know what EM really meant when he said....................�
Jun 2, 2016
ModelNforNerd
I've had to make the transition from SysAdmin to Service Level Management. So now instead of being able to hide behind technical jargon, I'm actually expected to translate it to "business user speak".
I'd much rather be CEO and be able to use whatever jargon I want. LOL�
Jun 2, 2016
Tes LA I guess a couple of weeks ago he alluded to 6-8 weeks to complete the design. This is pretty good news depending on how complete "pencils down" refers to.�
Jun 2, 2016
tsla007 pencils might be down but the manu facility needs a major overhaul. I don't expect my 3 until 2019 and I own a S.�
Jun 2, 2016
ecarfan Watch the interview with Elon at the Code conference Watch Elon Musk's full interview at Code 2016 where he comments about the timeframes he announces. He said that he never intends to deceive anyone, when he gives a timeframe that is the timeframe he wants to achieve and he thinks it is achievable. He admits that those timeframes are not necessarily met, but they are the timeframes he is targeting.
If you want to call that "misspeaks" you are welcome to, but when I read that word I interpret it as "says by mistake" or "says knowing it is wrong". The definition of that word is a bit vague, in my opinion.�
Jun 2, 2016
ummgood I think people misunderstand how much time it takes to mass produce parts. I work in Automotive for radios and we are being considered right now for 2018-2020 cars. It takes a lot of effort to get parts to mass production and to make sure they will be high enough quality before the vendor orders millions of parts.
I imagine the following needs to take place after the car design is finalized...
1. Negotiations with multiple vendors (cost, etc...)
2. Selection of primary and secondary vendors
3. Vendors create initial molds for production
4. Vendors provide prototype
5. Tesla vets prototype part
6. Tweaks are made to prototype
7. Vendor provides another prototype
8. Repeat steps 4-7 until part is correct
9. Once finalized parts have to be made small production numbers
10. Initial mass produced parts are shipped for inclusion in initial complete prototype run.
11. Any bugs in initial prototype run need to be fixed before mass production
12. Mass production starts and parts are shipped.
This all has to be done @July 2017. I don't think people consider how long this will take. I am guessing that any part that has to go on the car will have to be finalized when he said by his pencil down date. This isn't a Model S or X. They can't just throw new parts into the car every couple months. They have to finalize the design and have parts flowing and then schedule changes to the design at model refreshes.
I am guessing Tesla will be more quick than say Honda that tends to refresh every 3 years unless there is a flaw they need to correct then that happens every model year. I am guessing Tesla might throw new design in every year but I think it is unreasonable to expect more than that or they won't get economies of scale here. You have to turn on the mass production switch and leave it on as long as you can to get the cost of the car down.
Now this doesn't include software since they have a download model. But there is still some software that is burned into flash that would have to be finalized soon if that goes into a mass produced part.�
Jun 2, 2016
ModelNforNerd
They don't have press releases for everything they do. While I appreciate that a lot has to happen behind the scenes....since it IS behind the scenes, who among us it to say these talks aren't already happening, and protected by NDA's?�
Jun 2, 2016
ModelNforNerd
I suppose Elon and I are kindred spirits in the world of linguistics, then. Sorry if you meant my misspeaking (see what I did there) as a shot at EM. Not the case.
He tends to not speak in absolutes as much as you would expect a Silicon Valley/car company CEO to. But I like that about him.�
Jun 2, 2016
JeffK Nowadays parts 4-7 can be done in parallel between multiple vendors.�
Jun 2, 2016
ummgood I agree that this is already happening. The problem is you can't start the final process until the design is done. I don't think they can meet mass production in a year after "pencils down" if they keep tweaking designs that effect parts and suppliers after the pencil down state. That is all I am saying.
Agreed and some vendors will be faster to get the part ready than others. It isn't that hard to source screws because you pick something that is already available. That rear window on the other hand... Plus yes the seat supplier can go through vetting at the same time as the window manufacturer. I guess they could tweak things as long as they know that the parts involved won't have as much of a lead time.�
Jun 2, 2016
Garlan Garner This is excellent. I needed some good news today.�
Jun 2, 2016
AZ Desert Driver I wonder who will be supplying the air-bags. Who was that that just had ANOTHER recall? Can they be a reliable supplier? What parts are beyond Tesla to make in house?Tires/glass/airbags/...�
Jun 2, 2016
Drivin LOL.
Someone who "*shrug* he misspeaks a lot" is a BSer
They are just better at making you shrug at their "misspeaking", er, I mean their BS.
It isn't as if Elon doesn't know what is going on in his company or is dumb - he is incredibly smart.�
Jun 2, 2016
N5329K Takata, and they are still shipping bad air bags out on brand new vehicles that will, sometime soon, have to be recalled for replacement.
Bad stuff, and a lawsuit waiting to happen. Or not waiting.
Robin�
Jun 2, 2016
Garlan Garner Hey Hey...I need good air bags. I'm getting a Ludicrous version. If they sold an Insane version...I would buy that one...so I need air bags that work.�
Jun 2, 2016
AZ Desert Driver I was trying to NOT name names. But the point was - Tesla cannot make all their supplies in-house. They have said they WANT to, but I contend there are some that just don't make sense. Tires/glass/airbags just to name a few.�
Jun 2, 2016
Discoducky Let's call it end of July for the final final pencils down and see what he says in the Q2 earnings report. If TM can truly put their pencils down on design and just focus on minor ECO's they have a chance of getting crash testing complete and ride dynamics stabilized around August 2017. It would be truly amazing if they did, but it is a super long shot.�
Jun 2, 2016
Garlan Garner Don't rain on our parade. The good news just got here and.....geessshhh.
Leave it to the forum.�
Jun 2, 2016
JeffK That stuff's going to be done already and probably by the end of this year.�
Jun 2, 2016
Garlan Garner I believe Tesla will have designed most to all of the hardware. ( motors, servos,and the like) - All of the things that hardware can control. Software can be done remotely or later in concert/along side of hardware production.
On another note...I'm amazed that Tesla can adjust the opening of the MX's falcon wing doors. I assumed that the opening of a door is mechanical. Maybe its software based.
On the same level....if all of the hardware for the M3 is finished in 6 weeks....then software development can run simultaneously with production line dev for hardware.�
Jun 2, 2016
Discoducky Really? Can you build a development schedule for an automobile? Guessing no since it is not possible to finish these engineering tasks that quickly. But if you can I'm sure Tesla would love to have you on the team�
Jun 2, 2016
JeffK You seem to forget the internal target date for volume production capability is July 1st 2017. Design will be done at the end of June this year. Ramping up production takes time however, volume production is NOT needed for ride dynamics or crash testing. Engineering prototypes with the nearly finalized drivetrain were used at launch at the end of March this year.
You are not giving them enough credit and why in the world would you complete your design and try to be production capable when you haven't finished other testing yet? What you're saying makes no sense.�
Jun 2, 2016
Garlan Garner Whats going on?
Who cares who knows the most? We just received some great news today. Lets enjoy it.�
Jun 2, 2016
cronosx Of course it's not only mechanical! Else you can't "adjust" nothing. ( sure, you can stop all of this in mid-track, but it's pretty limitative ). There are motors on every bending part, it's like a robot. wich is an extemely hard thing to control, just imagine it's all free to move and you can manually adjust all, you can reach a certain position in many many ways, first you can move the upper motor, then the middle motor, or move only the upper, or little the upper, then the middle then the upper, of course you can do it at the same time but just with different speed.
And this is pretty hard to do and to not collide in the car itself. but then, you have sensors, and this sensor are placed on the moving part, wich means they measure something wich is changing while you move! the angle, the height, the distance.. all is changing!
It's pretty hard to do.�
Jun 3, 2016
JeffK The moving and adjustment part is actually pretty easy. I think they were having some software issues with interpreting data from the new sensors that see through metal and determining the appropriate action based on those readings.�
Jun 3, 2016
ModelNforNerd
Exactly.The 2 driveable prototypes we saw March 31st were further along than any of us had hoped. They weren't chicken wire and duct tape holding Model S parts inside a Model 3 frame...they literally had the expected Model 3 Production drivetrain and battery.
After Elon's impromptu Twitter mini-conferences, we came to find out that the car is mostly complete, other than the interior, some possible aero tweaks, and maybe the trunk opening.
I'm optimistic that pencils will be down in 6 weeks. I think we should all be optimistic about it.�
Jun 3, 2016
JeffK I loved Elon's face after the pencils down fully autonomous comment. (Priceless)�
Jun 3, 2016
Garlan Garner I agree, however I thought that items such as automatic doors had their opening and closing routine on a burned eprom or something. I didn't think it would be controlled by caned messages (or something of the kind) from a controller. Don't get me wrong...I fully agree that Every motor and sensor should be controlled from a programmable entity. I think its great. That allows for a ton of future flexibility and adjustments via software.
I'm impressed.�
Jun 3, 2016
deonb It probably is an EPROM, since the motor controller would need to be realtime and thus it's the easiest to drive it from a small MCU rather than a CPU.
However, Telsa still update these EPROMS (technically EEPROMS) over the air. They've done that for acceleration & regen curves as well, and no way these are done on a CPU or general purpose O/S.
It's actually pretty simple to do. I have a whole bunch of devices where the EEPROM is remotely updatable through some or other proxy chip.�
Jun 3, 2016
cronosx Yes, it's impressive, but in truth.. the world is now impressive, not only this.
About the eprom or similar, that doesn't make sense in the modern era, maybe some time ago when using a can-open or similar to connect to every motor was 'hard', but now it the opposite, centralized the cpu is really cheap and allow you an higher degree of freedom. If you "store" this in an eprom or simiilar you'll need more cpus, it's like having a pc and buy another pc to use the "calculator" program, of course you can do it with the standard cpu wich is never at 100% so it's a no problem.�
Jun 3, 2016
Garlan Garner My point was - I'm surprised that a process as simple as the opening of a door would be programmable. Tesla seems to control things with can messages. Watch the EVtv episodes on YouTube.
They are mimicking/hijacking can messages to control things on the Tesla such as acceleration, braking and such. I'm not going to get into a discussion about who technically knows more.�
Jun 3, 2016
cronosx Now.. i don't think so.
Of course you have cpu dedicated to the graphic interface or similar, and of course you want a dedicated cpu for the inverter, but for all the rest it doesn't have sense to have a cpu for controlling the brake, one cpu for controlling the wipers etc
Maybe i'm wrong.. but i don't think so�
Jun 3, 2016
ummgood The Model S has dozens of low cost 8 bit and 32 bit MCU's that run on flash. I know this because my company has multiple chips in the car.�
Jun 3, 2016
ecarfan (After posting this I realized that I am referring to a different comment than you are, sorry. At what time point in the video of the Code conference interview is the statement you are referring to?)
Are you referring to his eye roll when he said "It's really obvious" after his "We're going to do the obvious thing" statement?
I can't decide if that eye roll means it is or is not obvious. I can interpret it either way, but lean towards it literally being obvious, which to me means that the Tesla event he references will be to announce a significantly higher level of autonomous driving than is currently available from Tesla.�
Jun 3, 2016
ummgood I think the eye roll in combination with his statement that autonomous driving would be ready in 1 to 2 years puts it right in line with the release of the Model 3. Plus he stated that the problem is "already solved"�
Jun 3, 2016
Garlan Garner Pencils down....but not pens. LOL�
Jun 3, 2016
tomas Right. Agree he doesn't want to hold technology back from 3 but I predict it will be tested first on S/X well in advance of availability as paid option on 3. The 3 may have everything, but not for 35k.�
Jun 3, 2016
JeffK
meh the embedding doesn't hold the link
forward to 1:14:14�
Jun 3, 2016
Trev Page Keep in mind they're designing the car and the factory tooling at the same time. They need 9-10 months to build the tooling and outfit the factory. The plan is to have that done and test parts off the line in April 2017.
Elon's comments (rant) at the shareholder meeting about efficiencies of manufacturing point to a possible radical rethink of how they will build this car. Sounds like a lot more automation is in the plans.
I'm very curious to see if they actually implement this and will be watching for videos of the build-out in the next few months, assuming of course they actually release some like they did for the factory expansion in November 2014:
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Jun 3, 2016
RangerRick As for how long it takes the manufacturing pipeline ready, there is a bright side: Tesla is more vertically integrated than most automakers and it's clear that they will continue that trend to be able to more tightly control things.
Comments from the reveal said the drivetrain was basically done so hopefully they're already far into or past steps 4-7 on anything for the base of the car that needs external manufacturing; so really then it's more the design/interior elements that are still being finalized. Admittedly, those things could definitely hold things up, but the things he said in the Code interview made it clear they know they need to not throw too much in that hasn't been vetted in S/X and I'm sure that's a big part of the plan to actually meet their deadlines.
Fingers crossed, anyways.
They're well aware that this is a whole other level to hit mass-market with the 3. While Elon Time is surely aspirational, they seem to at least be conscious of it and are pushing to meet things as much as possible, even if still not quite making them yet...�
Jun 4, 2016
smythey Will be interested to see when they update the render on the My Tesla page with the new design.
Any changes to the nose might be quite hard to see in profile, but changes to the boot to allow a wider opening should be visible. The red lines show where the boot hinge currently is, along with where the rear glass ends.
Short of going full hatchback, those red lines gotta move!
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Jun 6, 2016
Topher That isn't where I was expecting the changes to be at all. I was expecting internal changes. Changing the glass seems unlikely since the design reason for it being that low hasn't changed. I don't think moving the hinge helps at all with the opening size.
Thank you kindly.�
Jun 6, 2016
ModelNforNerd
Elon had mentioned slight aerodynamics tweaks, as well as maybe revisiting the size of the trunk opening on his occasional Twitter AMA's, so it's reasonable for us to expect something coming from those areas of the design (and obviously the interior).�
Jun 6, 2016
Dan Detweiler The only way they can make the trunk opening bigger is to cut the glass or end the glass higher up. Both of those options mean adding a cross member which will severely limit rear viability...as seen with the Volt.
Dan�
Jun 6, 2016
ModelNforNerd
Who knows....maybe this is like a movie ending that they pre-screen with test audiences. Both have already been shot, they just edit in the one that "tests" better.
Maybe they've already solved the opening conundrum and we just haven't seen it yet.�
Jun 6, 2016
favo They could also lower the lip above the rear bumper and/or widen the opening from side to side.�
Jun 6, 2016
Garlan Garner I agree and I also believe that it might be possible to cut the glass higher at one of the "already existing" cross members.
They could also "falcon wing" the rear hatch...LOL�
Jun 6, 2016
Az_Rael I don't think there are any existing cross members higher up unless it was converted to a hatchback
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Jun 6, 2016
Garlan Garner I was thinking about the one at the front seat headrest. Tesla has done crazier things than that. Maybe they can make it an "all glass" falcon wing of some sort.�
Jun 6, 2016
ModelNforNerd
No.
They've learned from their falcon wing misadventures.
Remember, this is the "ease of manufacturing" car.�
Jun 6, 2016
Garlan Garner Ok then....I'm ready to think outside the box.
No?�
Jun 6, 2016
Garlan Garner 
No? You could certainly get a surf board in this one ( if it wasn't for the engine). LOL Just a concept though�
Jun 6, 2016
Dan Detweiler You'de need a 3 story garage just to get the groceries out of the back!
Dan�
Jun 6, 2016
alseTrick What's wrong with the smaller line on the left? The problem - to me - is the larger line on the right. It HAS to move further towards the front of the car so that items can be placed in the trunk both vertically and horizontally. As is, it has almost no vertical access space, so you have to insert cargo horizontally, which isn't ergonomic whatsoever. The actual size of the trunk is plenty large. It's just the size of the trunk's opening.
I don't have any clue how they could move that line more forward, though.
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My suggestion: Create a cross-beam mid-rear door in front of the rear passenger's head. Make it a hatchback. It would be a really, really large hatch, but I'm not sure what better option is available.�
Jun 6, 2016
Dan Detweiler To me the better option is to leave it as originally designed. Sometimes by trying to fix one perceived problem you create 6 more. I say just leave it alone. I know many will disagree.
Dan�
Jun 6, 2016
AZ Desert Driver Toy with the lift-over height, whittle the edge a tad.- Change the hinge point? - not on Version 1...�
Jun 6, 2016
Garlan Garner Fantastic graphics. I was thinking about hinging the hatch right behind the drivers head. Hitching glass and frame.
What do you think?�
Jun 6, 2016
EVNow You think it is just a perceived problem - obviously you don't think it needs fixing !
The lesser the utility of the trunk, the more I'll have to take my other (ICE) car. So, I may end up driving less % using Model 3 compared to Leaf now�
Jun 6, 2016
aronth5 Except that Elon already tweeted "won't be a hatchback, but we should be able to increase the opening width and height". Of course "should" leaves a lot to interpretation.
Elon Musk on Twitter�
Jun 6, 2016
kwest Keeping in mind that design should overall remain the same at this point, I think the easiest and the most effective would be to have the entire tail light assembly as part of the hatch opening - and push up the rear glass panel about an inch. This would widen the opening and alleviate the fear of trunk claustrophobia.�
Jun 6, 2016
melindav that was my thought - leave the glass as-is and look at where it intersects the taillights�
Jun 6, 2016
ArtC What happens when it rains and you have to open the hatch??�
Jun 6, 2016
Garlan Garner You get wet.�
Jun 6, 2016
melindav It is a good thing it doesn't rain in view of that mountain!
(which by the way, every time I see a post from you I think, "gasp! my mountain!" I don't know if it makes everyone else catch their breath, but It does me. Maybe because it is a breathtaking day when we can see the damn thing�
Jun 6, 2016
sunrocket I like the way you said that. He comes off really sincere and I hear in his voice that he cares about the planet and he wants his dream to be realized for everyone. Its all good for me�
Jun 7, 2016
ModelNforNerd
the quote from @melindav you quoted was in response to a comment I made. I totally agree with his sincerity and that it's a good quality. My wife and I were remarking during the Shareholders' meeting that he seems less polished than other car execs, who will go out there, read the canned message off their note card or teleprompter, and sit down without answering any questions.
To my wife and I, the "awkwardness" makes him seem way more authentic.�
Jun 17, 2016
MissAutobahn another 3 weeks!
hurry up Franz & Co.
I hope you read a lot of our wishes on TMC and brought it already on the way�
Jun 17, 2016
22522 Dear Tesla Folks,
Can you save/budget some space under the rear bumper, where the dual exhaust/muffler usually goes, for a "car is the robot" hands free charge connection? And a tap into the battery bus nearby?
Essentially the car backs into galvanically isolated charger that touches where the exhaust usually is. 10 kW capability. 1'x1'x2" volume budget on the car side (under the bumper).
It saves 10 million man hours a year and should be a 94% efficient (from the wall to the battery bus voltage) weather proof connection (suitable for apartment parking lots with no clutter).�
Jun 17, 2016
S3XY Personally I don't think the trunk opening issue is with the height. The problemfor me is the opening from front to back. I want to be able to put a family size cooler in there. If that opening is only 17" or so that won't do. So they'll either have to extend the trunk lid/shorten the glass or extend the rear end. I don't see any way they would attempt the latter as that would change drag and the overall shape of the car. I suspect they will shift the glass/lid seam a couple inches and possibly the hinge slightly if necessary.�
Jun 17, 2016
ecarfan Where did you get that number from?
It take me less than 5 seconds to plug in and unplug my Teslas at home on the days I drive them. I have no interest in induction charging. A direct connection cable works very well.
In the future, when fully autonomous EVs are available as a "transportation on demand" service, induction charging may be required, but I suspect that Elon's "charging snake cable" that Tesla released a video of over a year ago may turn out to be a better solution, avoiding the efficiency losses of induction charging.�
Jun 17, 2016
22522 A better question is, "Where did the 94% efficiency come from?"
All the way to the battery charge/regulation voltage.�
Jun 17, 2016
flamingoezz Did I miss something? Did they say they are adjusting the trunk opening?
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Jun 17, 2016
smythey Elon tweeted it after the reveal.�
Jun 17, 2016
Vitold I think trimming glass and extending hatch in it's place- just a few inches- would make big difference while retaining current support structure:
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Jun 17, 2016
ProphetM I think the videos from the reveal are not very helpful respecting the actual size of the trunk opening, particularly compared to other cars. I don't remember seeing any examples of typical items being placed in the trunk so that there's some sort of reference for scale. It may be small but not especially small, is what I'm saying. And it could be that they can make the opening larger without any exterior changes - the opening isn't the lines on the outside, it's determined by the seal on the inside. They may be able to cut that back a little from where it was on the reveal cars.
I drive a tiny econobox sedan with a trunk that looks positively tiny on the outside, but I've never had any trouble getting regular stuff into it. I'm not really worried about the 3's trunk opening.�
Jun 17, 2016
MissAutobahn All reservationholders who cannot live with a sedan trunk, please wait for the Model Y.
All those who like the M3 as it is will appreciate, as they get their M3 sooner�
Jun 17, 2016
ArtC Yah. It used to be my mountain too, I used to live in Olympia(the view from my back yard then), but now I look at Mt Hood in the Portland area.�
Jun 19, 2016
Dan Detweiler Do I see it as a problem they need to redesign, spend more money in R&D, tooling, complexity and time on, causing delays in delivery? No I don't.
New car development is a lot like finding a Presidential candidate. You will NEVER find one you agree with 100%. It's about compromise and everyone is different.
The Model 3 is a tremendous vehicle but it won't be for everyone. Also, I don't think that trunk opening is as small as many believe, but everyone's tolerance will be different.
Dan�
Jun 19, 2016
nexsuperne101 With regards to the trunk opening, as long as I can remove the wheel on my fatbike (Fatbike - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), drop the seats in the car and slide it in the hole without needing to remove the pedals from the bike, I will be quite happy. Otherwise, I will either have to get a decent roof rack for the pano roof, or buy a Model S instead.
Otherwise, I think the car is perfect. The shape of it is good, and even the front I find nice.�
Jun 19, 2016
NeverFollow How much do know about the Tesla Model "Y" ?
Will it be a M3 hatchback or an SUV like the MX?�
Jun 19, 2016
melindav any knowledge at this point is speculation. Y could be the economy sub-compact. It could be a coupe. it could be a CUV. etc...�
Jun 19, 2016
Model 3 You are (technical) correct. But I will be very surprised if it is anything other then a CUV like the TMX on the Gen-III platform.�
Jun 19, 2016
GSP Since the 3 will have a towing option, you also could get a bicycle rack that attaches to it.
GSP�
Jun 20, 2016
McHoffa The only time the Model Y was even referenced was in the tweet Elon deleted right after posting. The context was that he said either the Model 3 or Model Y would have Falcon Wing doors. The Model 3 obviously doesn't, so we all assume the Model Y does, and the only reason it would is if it's some kind of SUV, CUV or hatchback.�
Jun 20, 2016
nexsuperne101 I hope the Y doesn't have falcon doors. It will forever be in the service bay
Would be great if they worked 100% of the time, but another dose of rubbish doors on another Tesla could kill them off.�
Jun 20, 2016
Jayc I would agree with @nexsuperne101 that MX would have been a great car even without those wing doors. They should have had a more simpler door and reduced price by 5k. Falcon wings will be good for the first few months and then when the novelty wears off you are left dealing with constant repairs. Model Y will do well without fancy doors.�
Jun 20, 2016
Model 3 Not quite. A few days later he was on a TV show and was asked about this deleted tweet, and said that he "was obliviously talking about Model Y". The Model Y also was mentioned at the time they come up with the "Model E" name for what's now known as the Model 3.
It seems like Elon does not need more SEX, he needs something that is more SEXY�
Jun 20, 2016
Trips Their with be a minimum of five years between the X and Y. If you do not think they will have the software/hardware figured out in that amount of time you should plan on getting the Apple car.�
Jun 20, 2016
ggies07 I don't recall a time frame between models. Do you have a link to that?�
Jun 20, 2016
nexsuperne101 I would never buy any Apple product. I'm sure the car would be as bad as all the other iWhatever they sell. I Would rather have a Nissan!�
Jun 20, 2016
ecarfan Neither Tesla nor Elon have stated a timeframe as to when the Model Y will be available. Anything you read or hear is speculation.�
Jun 24, 2016
Garlan Garner Am I calculating this correctly? 3 weeks left to pencils down?�
Jun 24, 2016
ModelNforNerd
3, maybe 4.
Soon......but even then, not sure if we'll see any leaks.�
Jun 24, 2016
Garlan Garner I can't imagine why there can't be an options page available ( not an order page ) once pencils are down. Then again.... they will have to test everything they drew with their pencils. hmmm.�
Jun 24, 2016
ModelNforNerd that's just pencils-down.....we need to wait for them to actually build another prototype with the changes.�
Jun 24, 2016
Garlan Garner Lol.....that's what I said.�
Jun 24, 2016
ModelNforNerd
Reveal 2.0 will be between December and April.
But we might start seeing "Pencils-down Mules" after September.�
Jun 24, 2016
TaoJones Noooooooo rush for the Model 3 Design Studio. Final pricing is a year off anyway, plus I wouldn't mind a full vetting by all of the employees before getting my grubby paws upon the configuration experience du jour.
Am good with a Hawthorne launch event in very late October 2017 with access to the Design Studio that evening. I imagine there will be a Model S/X event this October for the last of the AP1.0 features. Not quite sure where that puts an AP2.0 launch but if that got shoehorned into May-June of 2017 nobody would object, I'm sure.�
Jun 24, 2016
Garlan Garner I really really really really hope you are correct.�
Jun 25, 2016
ModelNforNerd Elon has distorted our perception of how long this stuff takes already.
Again, we found out at the event that the Model 3 mules actually had their own drivetrain installed, and not a modified S setup. Those cars were a lot closer to the Prod models than any of us expected.
I wouldn't be surprised if Reveal 2.0 included an AP2.0 announcement for the entire lineup.
That way, Elon can say "Any S/X that comes off the line after today will have it, and the Model 3 will have it at launch."
Keeps everyone happy. S and X get to remain the "frontrunners" on tech, and the 3 will get it at launch late next year.�
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