Feb 23, 2013
yobigd20 forgive my noobness, but why would you want to debadge the model S? are you embarrassed to drive it or something?�
Feb 23, 2013
Kaivball It's a European thing...
You wouldn't want to show your neighbor that you can afford the BMW 750iL when he is driving the 730.
The class envy forces you to stay low key.
Why show off that you have the 85 version when the next guy can only afford the 40?
Very common to do in Europe, not so much here.
On the other hand, all my cars are debadged. I think it's cleaner looking.�
Feb 23, 2013
Robert.Boston I'm okay with leaving the "Model S" on the car as a bit of free publicity for Tesla. I'm not going to add the "85" badge, though, which adds clutter and advertises the price I paid a little too clearly for my personal comfort.�
Feb 23, 2013
yobigd20 I can understand removing anything dealer specific - their stickers or license plates, but not the make and/or model of the car...
or perhaps the guy with the 730 is trying to make it look like he can afford a 750il? so it can go both ways .. people could be stretching their budgets and buy a low end car and debadge it to disguise the fact that they bought the cheapest model available just to get in the game and keep up with the jones. I mean if thats the way people are then I could see them debadging a 40 or 60, but why bother debadging the 85 or P85?
personally if either one of those is your reason, I think that is just very lame - one guy's trying to make himself look better (and probably should not be buying a BMW in the first place so this person is irresponsible with their money), and the other guy is trying hide his wealth (which is also stupid, because if you really wanted to hide your wealth then don't buy a BMW and instead you should go buy a chevy or a hyundai or something like that).
so it's somehow your fault that your neighbor didn't pay attention in school? If that's the reason someone is going to debadge their P85, and if I was the neighbor with the 40 I would feel like that is intentionally mocking me. people should not be embarrassed about being successful in life.
also, really, when you think about it, if you debadge your car, and your car gets stolen, how the hell is a cop going to find it? You report your vehicle stolen, it get's BOLO'd for the make and model, but if they can't easily identify the make and model of a car, well your car probably isn't going to be recovered.
IMHO debadging a car is ghetto looking anyway. It will likely give cops more of a reason to pull you over, like you are trying to hide something, and it could be argued that its also enough to give them 'probable cause' to search your vehicle - a stretch, but likely one that would get argued and judge end up siding with the officer in the end. Either way not worth the hassle in my opinion.�
Feb 23, 2013
Babylonfive I intend to add a "S 60" badge to my 60. I'll post pictures later.�
Feb 24, 2013
jkirkebo I mostly do not want the P85 badge because the car looks cleaner without it. The make&model stays however.
Also I do not see the need to advertise my car as a P85. I've had a few BMWs before, mostly without the badge. It was however tempting to put a 316i badge on the 328i to mess with people
If the factory can't delete the badge, the store will have to do it before I take delivery. No way I'm doing it myself on a new car.�
Feb 24, 2013
mulder1231 I personally think only P85 should have a badge. What's the point of having a badge for 85, 60, 40? It's the same car, just a different size battery.�
Feb 24, 2013
Babylonfive Understand your trepidation, but its very easy and not likely to cause any issues with paint at all.
Have you considered going to a local car shop that does high-end stereo and tinting? They would be intimately familiar with the technique of heat/floss/cleaner... no problem.�
Feb 24, 2013
artsci I saw a Honda Civic with Maserati badging a few days ago. Surely it must have been tongue in cheek -- the owner must know that no one is fooled.�
Feb 24, 2013
HFh I like the idea of badging just because the lack of symmetry has always mildly annoyed me.�
Feb 24, 2013
jerry33 The fewer badges the better IMHO.�
Feb 24, 2013
ElSupreme My Dodge Neon in high school had Ferrari badging on the hood and trunk. It was HOT!�
Feb 24, 2013
jerry33 You drove a stolen car during high school? or was it just the badge that was stolen
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Feb 24, 2013
digitaltim +1
I am in the same boat...I am either removing the Model S or adding the P85. I have a message into the Rockville service center about getting one.
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Feb 24, 2013
scriptacus Picked mine up from the factory a few hours ago (VIN5448) and it does indeed have the "P85" badge. Sounds like its going to be standard.�
Feb 24, 2013
Kaivball Let me know if anyone wants a P85 badge. I will take mine off when I get the car in 3 weeks.�
Feb 24, 2013
fizzazle Would love to have it!!!
i live in California (with a C
Reason it should be on there is b/c I am on a daily basis propositioned to race someone. So far they have all been good hearted/natured. They see the car on the freeway and do their best to get next to me. Give me a nod or a peace sign....then they floor it hoping I follow suit.
All but a Lamborghini were impressed! (350Z, Camarro SS, mustang, 911, M5, Bentley, WRX, list goes on....).
if this happens to a 40 or 60 (or even NON performance 85kw) MS then the other driver should know that. Otherwise they will just say they smoked/destroyed a MS. It's like winning a drag race against a camarro versus winning a drag race against a Camarro SS. Or a BMW 325 versus an M3. These cars are NOT the same...and they should be badged differently!�
Feb 25, 2013
AustinPowers Another reason why many people here (including myself and many people I know) debadge their cars is the "destruction because of envy" factor. Believe me there are lots of annoyed people out there who see a car with high-end badging and go like "hey, I can't afford a BMW 750, why should that owner enjoy his/her car", take out a sharp metal object and leave some "nice" scratches over hood, doors etc. Like so:
With a debadged car at least these people don't know when you've got the top engine under the hood. Might stop some of them.
And then there is the factor that mattered to me the most: it makes cleaning the car easier, and rust is less of a problem (here, many badges are still screwed on not glued on).
And about stolen cars: car thieves here seem to care more for cars with high-end badging. So another reason for getting rid of those badges.�
Feb 25, 2013
gregincal Somehow I don't think anybody outside of Model S owners is going to really see any difference between types of Model S's. They'll have the same reaction to all of them.�
Feb 25, 2013
mulder1231 I saw the most disgusting thing yesterday, in Half Moon Bay, a white Model S parked and someone had painted a red Nazi symbol on the hood. I felt soo bad for the owner. Hopefully it was just lipstick and easy removable.
Who does something like that! Didn't expect that, especially not in California...�
Feb 25, 2013
Kaivball In Kalifornia, especially if you had a Romney Ryan sticker on your car...�
Feb 25, 2013
yobigd20 jesus, I'm glad I don't live in CA. I've never seen anything like that out here - keying cars or painting nazi symbols on hoods. wow. just wow. too much sun getting to people's heads out there? lol�
Feb 25, 2013
Bubbletips picture of OEM p85 badge
Here's a pic of the p85 badge from a car at the Costa Mesa factory center that I took last week. it's going to be standard on p85 performance cars.
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Feb 25, 2013
Babylonfive Well, I tried something different for my sweet S60.
It may take a few tries to get it looking right.
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Feb 25, 2013
gg_got_a_tesla Very nice! Hope noone asks you: "is that a Volvo?!"�
Feb 25, 2013
zolotoy good to know that Tesla decided to put badges before I get mine in about a month. I hope red P looks good on Blue:wink:�
Feb 26, 2013
AustinPowers The "too much sun" theory doesn't work over here.
There are just too many idiots out there who destroy other people's property just for fun! (Our neighbours' house was graffiti-ed massively some months back, cars are scratched, tires ripped, antennas broken off, lights kicked in, stuff smeared of the paint, and the "best" bit - especially popular in Berlin - cars are set fire to at the roadside!
Bloody anarchists/left-wing radicals/anti-capitalism activists. Just too many of these around nowadays. And of course there are many young unemployed and frustrated people who just like to vent their frustration by destroying stuff - especially property of people who seem to be "better off".
Sad really.�
Feb 27, 2013
Mario I would the P85 badge if your car indeed does come with it and you have it removed. I just got my car 4 days ago and for some reason, it came with no badge.�
Feb 27, 2013
DocDog Took delivery of mine yesterday from a truck out of Chicago, and also have no badge. Must have been one of the last performance machines not to get the badging. VIN 5191. Not certain whether I want it or not. Already getting frustrated with the "how much did you pay for that thing?" question. At least for those ignorant folks, I can just quote the overall range, and there is no outward indication of where mine is within the range.�
Feb 27, 2013
capt601 Heard from the Costa Mesa store today, through my wife when she dropped the car off today, that a mass emailing will be going out soon regarding the badging.�
Feb 27, 2013
olanmills
Elon Musk was probably not satisfied until they had the "best ever" automotive badging lol
I wish I knew about this earlier. I was just at the service center today. I would like to have an '85' badge on my car.�
Feb 27, 2013
antochat Picking my P85 up at the Portland service center tomorrow and it is missing the badge too. I guess it gets added to the due bill.�
Feb 28, 2013
byt I look forward to adding the P85 badging to my MS!�
Feb 28, 2013
bonnie Yeah, it's a California thing. I'm sure nothing like that could ever happen in New Jersey.
Seriously, it's just a problem everywhere, in any locale. Haters gonna hate. I try to park my car where it will be pretty visible, but that kind of stuff can happen anywhere. Sorry for the Model S owner with paint on the hood. That's pretty aggressive.�
Mar 2, 2013
dmfick No upgrades & debadging procedure
I was told at the Rockville SC on Friday (when picking up my 85 from service) that there is no plan or opportunity to upgrade cars that were produced without number badging. Mine is a '13, so it isn't purely a model year thing - it was described as a production-line upgrade and the luck of timing as to whether you got it or not. I don't care either way. The advisor did say that ALL Model S vehicles will be badged going forward, including the 40 and 60.
Forgive me if this was covered elsewhere: Debadging any car made since about 1990 is very simple and there is no chance of damaging or scratching the car if you do it this way: Get some plain (unflavored) dental floss, wrap a couple feet around your hands, and slide it behind one edge of the badge. Then use a sawing motion to cut through the foam tape. All emblems are applied with 3M Automotive double-sided foam tapes or equivalent. You will cut through the foam, and can then "roll" off any residue from the tape that is left behind. There are no longer any holes used in applying auto trim of this kind.�
Mar 2, 2013
PeterK I was at the Watertown (Boston) service center today and saw 27 newly-delivered Model S's, all with VINs in the mid-upper 5000s. Didn't have time to compare the status based on VIN, but there were both P85s and regular 85s with and without badging, though more unbadged than badged in my unscientific sample. I don't know if there were any 60s or not - certainly none badged as such.�
Mar 4, 2013
PearlModelS Mine was delivered on 2/27 VIN 5438 and I didn't even notice the badging until this thread. I do like the P85 badge back there. I does not stand out that much and is subtle enough for my tastes.�
Mar 4, 2013
contaygious I like the balance better with badge and my rep says I can get one once they are in stock.�
Mar 5, 2013
GOLD.s They are adding a P85 badge to performance models
I was at the Denver Tesla service center getting my spoiler put on and they had a performance model with the badging they said the new P85's were coming with the badging and owners will have the option of getting it added soon. I'm personally very happy about this decision.�
Mar 5, 2013
montgom626 I like it!!!!�
Mar 5, 2013
kinddog we know�
Mar 5, 2013
TheAustin Don't be that guy. He's excited...Let him be excited. Costs you nothing (except restraint).�
Mar 5, 2013
Jason S heh, I didn't know. Not sure I want it, but now I know.�
Mar 5, 2013
joefee It is growing on me...�
Mar 6, 2013
GOLD.s Thank you Jason . I apologize, I did not know it was posted already.�
Mar 6, 2013
jayfrost Hello all!
I get to pick my P85 up friday and I was told that it does not have the badge. My vin is 62xx so not all have them. My service director was going to try to get one, but she said they are not due bill items. Not really too sure how I feel about that, but I hope she can work it out. Also no spoiler or parcel shelf at this time. And of course still waiting on the HPWC.
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Mar 6, 2013
gregincal It's all right, mods will probably merge threads.
P85 Badging?�
Mar 6, 2013
mrbry How big was it on the hood? I recently learned about Hindu's putting swastikas on their new cars for some ritual. Google search turns up an article like this: http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Hinduism/2003/01/Photo-Essay-A-Puja-For-My-New-Car.aspx�
Mar 6, 2013
swegman Picked up my car (VIN 6087) yesterday, but it does not have the P85 badge. Was told that the badges were on order and all P85 and 85 owners would be offered a badge when they become available.�
Mar 6, 2013
swegman Dmfick, I picked up my P85 yesterday (March 5) from the ERockville Service Center. My car does not have the P85 badge. Lenny, who is the service manager told me that the P85 and 85 badges are on order and that the owners of every P85 and 85 car delivered to date will be offered the badge for their car. I wanted it put on the due bill, but he assured me I will get one, and that it really not a due bill item, as the due bill is supposed to be for items ordered for the car (i.e., spoiler, shelf, etc.). My prior dealings with Lenny have been excellant, so I trust that I will be notified when the badge becomes available.�
Mar 6, 2013
gg_got_a_tesla A very plausible explanation. The Nazis had adopted and made a sad mockery of what's a very holy symbol for Hindus.�
Mar 7, 2013
mulder1231 That explains it!
I should have snapped a photo. It was about the same size as in the picture in your link, and positioned right at the center on the hood. It was red, and looked as if painted on with a lipstick, probably to make sure it could be removed easily.
Now I feel terrible for assuming vandalism and not thinking about this as a possibility. :redface:
Thanks mrbry and gg, I do feel better now, and learned something I didn't know...�
Mar 7, 2013
Benjam So non-performance 85 owners would just have a badge with "85"? Seems weird - I'd take it off.�
Mar 7, 2013
NigelM You must be psychic! :wink:�
Mar 7, 2013
yobigd20 hmm they put the P85 badge as a due-bill item on mine.�
Mar 7, 2013
carrerascott Where do we get this due bill anyway? Got my car today, missing spoiler, p85 badge, HPWC. But didn't get any sort of due bill that I am aware of...�
Mar 8, 2013
radinator I just saw this on the Tesla Bulletin Board - Why do some cars have a P85 badge and mine doesnt? | Forums | Tesla Motors. So it looks the all battery sizes will get model badging.�
Mar 9, 2013
contaygious Hmm kinda strange. Wouldn't everyone that isn't p85 just opt for no badge so they all look like p85s? I doubt anyone would want a 40 or 60 badge.�
Mar 9, 2013
aronth5 From the forum. Badging for everyone
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Mar 10, 2013
HFh Has anyone asked if it's free?�
Mar 10, 2013
Al Sherman Pretty sure they're treating it as a due bill item. You may actually have to ask the SS since some folks don't want it.�
Mar 10, 2013
HFh I was told it isn't free. $76 or so. So if its officially free, I'd like to know....�
Mar 10, 2013
spatterso911 reports are varied, but the latest report is that they are arriving at service centers and can be installed upon request. No mention of any cost.�
Mar 10, 2013
DrComputer The official answer is already posted on the Tesla forums:
We recently began to apply P85, 85, and 60 badges to newly produced cars in Fremont. 40 kWh cars will also receive badges once production starts. In the coming weeks, we will begin stocking these at our service centers for placement on delivered cars on request. If you have taken delivery of a Model S without a badge and would like one added, we'll be happy to apply one during your next service appointment. All you need to do is ask.�
Mar 10, 2013
PeterK Picked up my non-P 85 on Wednesday, with no badge. If it had come with one I would have left it on, but I'm not going to have them add it. Maybe just get it to keep with the card they sent after I reserved.�
Mar 19, 2013
DrTaras Just debadged the "Model S"
Was debating whether to simply add the P85 or debadge the "Model S" & went with the latter.
Someone else mentioned the symmetry factor and I do agree.
I think that the customization I'm doing will get me plenty of attention already :wink:�
Mar 19, 2013
olanmills I just got my non-P 85 badge installed today when I had some other minor service work done. It looks good. I'm still not entirely sure whether I prefer it without or without badging to be honest. It was free for me btw, and the official post on the TeslaMotors.com forums also implies that it should be free.�
Mar 19, 2013
Kaivball I did the same.�
Mar 25, 2013
contaygious Did Anyone in the bay get their new badge put on? I'm still waiting dor Menlo to get stock.�
Mar 25, 2013
montgom626
Mine was delivered with the P85 badge.�
Mar 25, 2013
DrComputer Just got an e-mail for the LA service center that they have my P85 badge available for installation.�
May 9, 2016
CLLACAB A bit off topic, but didn't I read somewhere that the P90D with the Ludicrous upgrade is underlined on the emblem?�
May 10, 2016
EdA Yes, that is my understanding too.�
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