Oct 5, 2011
NigelM Unveiling in November?
I guess this could also have been under news but....
Tesla-Model-X-set-for-2011-Los-Angeles-Auto-Show
Also specs that are "known"....
Tesla-Model-X-what-we-know-before-nov-reveal
And suspect....
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Oct 5, 2011
bonnie I absolutely love the Model S - but I'm thinking that the Model X and a Roadster in my garage might be a better combination. I'll probably fly down in November to see the Model X in person (assuming it will be there).
What a good dilemma to have.�
Oct 5, 2011
AnOutsider firstly... wow! Model X finally got its own forum. I thought it was going to wait until the unveiling.
On to the what we "know"'s:
Earlier than announced, but makes sense.
Cool, but I wonder how or if that will affect trunk space. My current crossover has 2 rows and really nice trunk space. I suspect if a third row were added (and it were comfortable) the trunk would shrink to the space behind the last row of seats in a minivan. Unless of course they extend the body back as well.
Haven't seen the final S interior and was unimpressed with the Beta, so no real feelings here.
If it's launching after the S is already in production and established, they may be able to sell more. There might be some initial woes, but Americans love their big cars. If this thing is as no-compromising as the S, I can see it outselling it (look at Audi and Porsche crossovers outselling their cars).
Let's hope so, though I'm not a huge fan of minivans in any case (interior or exterior)
Related eh?
On to the suspicions:
Figured. Though I remember an article somewhere that said less, which just can't be.
Would sort of answer my trunk concern above.
Which might then trickle down to the S
I wonder. If you took out the back 2 rows, could you then transport a roadster in the X?
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Oct 5, 2011
AnOutsider Also, I wonder if they'll start preorders after it's unveiled? Anyone here (aside from Bonnie) jumping on one if they do?�
Oct 5, 2011
VolkerP two thoughts on Model X
1 my kids will outgrow that 4'11" jump seats in 4 to 5 years.
2 Given the charging solution for Model S, it's probably not a good idea to road trip Europe in 2013 with it. The Tesla provided DC fast charging infrastructure won't be rolled out that soon.
Thus, I consider to go with Model X either in 2016 or right from its start.�
Oct 5, 2011
bonnie To be clear, I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I love love love the Model S. NOT getting it will be difficult. I'm hoping I'm equally excited by both the design and features of the Model X. That will make it easier.
For all the jokes about the cats, I do have two large labs, I head into the mountains for skiing in the winter, have lots of visitors requiring pickup @ the airport with bags, and live in the country (all requiring cargo room, which Model S clearly has). The all wheel drive is something I'd like.�
Oct 5, 2011
vfx Talked to the chief engineer about the Model X. He was excited as a schoolgirl when he talked about how the Model X would have features that no other vehicle has every had.
It seemed he was talking about the electric 4 wheel drive and how that will make it handle/preform. I can't stress enough how he said it will have things that have never been in a vehicle.
Also talked to Franz about it. He vasilated back and forth between calling it SUV and minvan in conversation. When I tried to pin him down he smiled and said it's both and neither.�
Oct 5, 2011
NigelM That would make it an AWD/MPV/SUV/EV...�
Oct 5, 2011
dadaleus Yes. We've been looking forward to the X to replace our Highlander Hybrid. This will be my wife's primary car for the kids carpool and for our family trips.�
Oct 5, 2011
Kipernicus Don't forget about the Frunk for storage.
I, like dadaleus, will be looking to the model X to replace my wife's car, and will splurge for the largest battery to make it truly roadtrip capable (I'm going with the 160 in the model S for financial reasons). More likely, however, is that she'll end up driving the S more and I'll take the X for myself!�
Oct 5, 2011
Citizen-T The Model S is for me. Hoping my wife will fall in love with it so we can one day replace her 2011 Ford Edge (which she also loves) with a Model X.�
Oct 5, 2011
doug That article got updated:
So the LA Auto Show was a false alarm and they're just going to show it to a select few.
If they nixed the frunk, Tesla could make a pretty cool micro-bus with the same wheelbase as the Model S.�
Oct 5, 2011
AnOutsider I'm guessing it will be Roadster owners and S Sig holders. Ah well, I'm sure the pics will leak out.�
Oct 5, 2011
Nvbob Driverless? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp9KBrH8H04�
Oct 5, 2011
felixtb I have been waiting for the X since I got the roadster. I, like Bonnie, have dogs and frequent trips to the mountains, and road trips across EU. I have already told my local tesla rep. to get me all the info as soon as available. I want! need to replace my aging diesel Q7.�
Oct 7, 2011
WhiteKnight With a longer wheelbase comes the space to have a larger battery. How about a 400 mile pack. (I think they're losing some of the economies of scale from the Model S if they do this).
The main thing that would hold me back from replacing my wife's minivan with the Model X is that at highway speeds that 300 mil pack becomes a 210 mile pack. That means 2 or 3 stops on the way to Disney World instead of 1. With a bigger pack we could just stop once. Not sure if I-75 will be any where close to the top of Tesla's list for charging stations.�
Oct 7, 2011
Adm It would be a shame if Tesla would not make use of newer battery technology. They could chose to make the battery lighter or pack more kWh for more range.�
Oct 7, 2011
WhiteKnight The article that folks were linking to says:
Now that they are a public company it would be problematic to show something material like a brand new model (when you only have one active model) to a select group of people and not to the whole world - could be considered a violation of Reg FD. Hopefully they'll show the whole world in November.�
Oct 7, 2011
Mycroft Oh yeah. Reporters will be present.�
Oct 7, 2011
bonnie I think the problem would be if they didn't announce and only told (or showed) a select group of people - but certainly if they announce, then they have disclosed publicly - and as long as it is not additional material information, they can show prototypes but are not obligated to show those prototypes to everyone. To the best of my knowledge, there is no regulation that says it must be 'all or nothing' - only that material facts cannot be selectively shared. Or am I missing something here?�
Oct 7, 2011
AnOutsider I think you've got it Bonnie�
Oct 7, 2011
Citizen-T You're right. They just need to release the information about the prototype to everyone before or at the same time they show it to the select few.�
Oct 8, 2011
WhiteKnight What they did with the Model S was perfectly copacetic. They showed a select group of people (even if that group was large - measured in the thousands) and then they released a large amount of information on their website. And with everyone blogging et cetera it was like you were there.
What they cannot do (in my non-legal opinion) is show the prototype to a group of people and then release very limited information to the public via their website. There is probably very little chance they would do that. I am sure they will do it 100% right, 100% of the time.�
Oct 9, 2011
NigelM WhiteKnight is correct - as a public company you can give information to a limited group such as analysts or journalists (as they both pretty much have legal restrictions on their ability to trade). What you can't do is give information to a select group (selected owners for example) and not publicize it as you effectively make them "insiders". For that reason alone it made sense to hold the Model S event over a Saturday/Sunday, but it was also prudent to allow the press in on the Friday already.�
Oct 19, 2011
AnOutsider I was digging back through the model s forum and I noticed that people were putting deposits down the day it was unveiled back in 2009. If tesla follows suit, I guess preorders will open up around the unveiling.
As an aside, it's cool looking back at all the discussions and seeing what did or didn't pan out. I suspect we'll be doing the same with Model X, even though it should have a much shorter gestation period.�
Oct 20, 2011
Kevin Harney That does pose an interesting question. What was the gestation on the Roadster ... then the Model S... and how much of that will be shortened again for the X especially since the platform is done for the X.�
Oct 20, 2011
AnOutsider I'll let those, like doug, who have been in the game much longer answer that definitively... But from the time of the reveal of the S (March-ish 2009) til release, will be about 3 years (though it was talked about as far back as 2006 from what I can see). Roadster was talked about a lot as well, but I THINK 2005-2008 would be the actual time spent on it aside from setbacks.
Like I said, one of the vets can probably give a much stronger indicator. Tesla is looking to unveil in late 2011 and launch in 2013 (mid? late?), so that would be about 1.5-2 years from unveil to launch.�
Oct 20, 2011
Lloyd I asked my customer service service rep, when we would be able to place a deposit on the model x. i was told, "it has not been announced yet. Keep an eye on the Tesla Motors site for deposit information when the Model X is announced" So it seems like we will be able to place a deposit on this vehicle once it has been shown, possibly in November!�
Oct 20, 2011
TEG Tesla started up in 2003, and spent about 3 years, with a very small team, getting some prototypes vehicles ready.
You can find some Roadster history on Wikipedia:
Tesla Roadster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
People immediately started putting deposits down as there were two seemingly finished cars on display giving rides, but they were really engineering prototypes and getting into proper production would take a while from then.
If you don't count more prototypes, and special cars for company founders, I think the first real production Roadsters (first "Signature 100") didn't show up to customers for about 2 years.
I wouldn't use the Roadster history as much a Roadmap to predict the future though. It was built with assemblies from different global suppliers. Tesla had to invent a lot of new technology to make it work. The technology was being proven as they went. The company was still getting itself established. There was a bunch of learning curve. Hopefully for future models the cycle will be shorter and more predictable...�
Oct 20, 2011
Kevin Harney Well my question was posed in order to see the magnitude of how fast they are speeding up the process now that they have a good bit of the experimentation. That is why I was curious about Roadster to S and then S to X should be even faster. Especially since S and X are really very similar compared to Roadster and S.�
Oct 20, 2011
TEG Well the new thing is high volume. Roadster success was achieved with 10s of units per month. Now they need thousands. Even though they are bigger, & more mature, they have new obstacles & hurdles.�
Oct 20, 2011
Iz Unofficially, it appeared in Who Killed The Electric Car? a few weeks earlier. This is how many of us found the Tesla and TMC web-sites.�
Oct 20, 2011
TEG Yeah, there was a mysterious segment at the end showing Mule2 driving on Tesla Road...
Sort of an enigmatic parting shot... In hindsight, a nod to the new movie that eventually came about.�
Oct 20, 2011
JRod0802 I don't have a link for you, but I remember hearing that the Model X will come out near the end of 2013. Did anyone read / see this?�
Oct 20, 2011
TEG About a year ago they seemed to be saying 2014:
Report: Tesla Model X Electric SUV Coming In 2014
More recently, late 2013?
Tesla to Sell Electric Model X in 2013, Make as Many as 15,000- Bloomberg
(but that says "intends to sell" which is different from "production" and/or "delivery"...)�
Oct 20, 2011
AnOutsider Yeah, that's why I had it sort of open-ended. I forget where as well, but the vibe I've been getting is end of 2013 or early 2014. So safe to say sometime that winter if things go to plan. That's really not that far off from the S release. As I said elsewhere, they should be riding the waves of the S well into Q1 2013 since that'll be around the time that the current reservations get fully delivered.
From there they MAY do some advertising, but I suspect with the cars out on the road the attention may come virally. By the time it slows down (maybe summer 2013) the X would be on the way in about 6 months, starting the interest machine rolling again.�
Nov 11, 2011
AnOutsider Had some free time in between engagements yesterday, so I swung by Tesla NYC (smaaaall store!). Talked with a cool guy, Paul, and we chatted about delivery, service etc. But then he mentioned something about there being some investment banker thing at that store in December. Got me wondering if that will be the "exclusive" Model X unveiling event.
As others have heard though, Paul said he wasn't told much more than that as he works too close with customers.
Funny aside, I thought all the staff on-hand at the October factory event were the local guys. Turns out one of the girls there in the office was in the back seat of the S when it rolled on stage. Nice of Tesla to spread the love around and not make the non-CA employees feel like outcasts :smile:�
Nov 11, 2011
Robert.Boston Maybe, but likely not. Tesla's been good about letting appropriate groups use their stores for cocktail receptions; a renewable energy group I have ties to in DC had a great reception there. Good community building and free PR.�
Nov 11, 2011
AnOutsider Understood, but he made it clear it was an event for the initial investors in TM�
Nov 11, 2011
Larry Chanin Hi,
Our escorts on the factory tour were all from the European group. They were very enthusiastic because the Fremont event was the first opportunity that the European contingent had to meet their North American counterparts.
Larry�
Nov 11, 2011
Mycroft Yeah, Tesla got a two-fer out of it. They had lots of employees on hand to help take care of the mass of guests AND they got to train up and familiarize their new army of reps with the new cars.�
Nov 11, 2011
WhiteKnight Autoblog is saying the Model X will be at the Detroit Auto Show beginning January 10th.
I would expect then that they would unveil the Model X (and the Inter-City Charging Network) the week of December 12th.
My assumption is that Tesla does not want to announce the Model X while people are away on Christmas Vacation and since they're a public company they generally will be in their "quiet period" the last two weeks of the quarter.�
Nov 12, 2011
Robert.Boston HEARSAY ALERT!
There's a post on the Tesla boards from someone who was told by a Tesla rep that the Model X will be announced on Dec. 13.�
Nov 12, 2011
AnOutsider link?�
Nov 12, 2011
TEG Related:
Tesla to reveal Model X alpha version in December | The Car Tech blog - CNET Reviews
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Nov 12, 2011
AnOutsider Some pretty misinformed pro and anti tesla comments�
Nov 12, 2011
vfx All the tour guides in the factory where from Tesla stores all over. They came in the day before to get schooled on their routines. They has special red/white shirts while it looked like the locals were in gray.�
Nov 12, 2011
AnOutsider According to Paul, the Red/black/gray fleeces were for any of the employees that took part in the event.�
Nov 13, 2011
John_DeDe Yes...that was me...we were in Santana Row last weekend and the rep mentioned to us that December 13 was the day for the big reveal of the Model X...He didn't have any other information regarding deposits on it, but he was fairly confident that current Roadster owners/Model S reservation holders would have "priority". Timing works well for us...Husband will get Model S next summer/fall, and I can get the Model X by early 2014 (when Lincoln MKT goes off lease)...
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Nov 13, 2011
AnOutsider Thanks John (or DeDe :smile
Since this lines up with what I was told about the Tesla investment bankers having a little shindig at the NYC store, I wonder if it still holds that the unveil will be there. It would certainly fit the definition of "exclusive".�
Dec 5, 2011
jimbakker666 If the Hearsay Alert is correct, then we're only one week away from the big unveil�
Dec 6, 2011
WhiteKnight Yes, which means invitations should go out for the Unveiling in the next few days!�
Dec 6, 2011
Kevin Harney Unless it is at an autoshow ....�
Dec 6, 2011
AnOutsider which means the stock will never effing go down lol�
Dec 7, 2011
Robert.Boston ...to an elite group of founders, large stockholders, and other VIPs. This unveiling isn't going to be "Fremont 2".�
Dec 7, 2011
WhiteKnight You haven't unveiled anything unless you've invited the media. Just like an Apple product unveiling I would expect that the journalists would blog about it when they get their invitation.�
Dec 12, 2011
ETM Model X Unveil Tomorrow??
Hi all, I remember reading somewhere here that the Model X will be unveiled tomorrow, December 13. If it is not tomorrow, the reveal is going to be this month if
I am not wrong. Please correct me if i am. I cannot stand the suspense! I am really excited to see what the design will be like and get at least some rough specs and prices. I am very confident in TM to make great looking functional cars. I would imagine the X will have the same or similar 17" touchscreen as the S. I expect most if not all their future cars will have the touchscreen. Thoughts? The X will be replacing my range rover assuming TM starts deliveries by late 2013/early 2014. By then I will have the Model S , Model X, and a BMW wagon (for long trips). Hopefully after that TM will have a >500 range car or replacement battery for the S or the X...�
Dec 12, 2011
AnOutsider Hey ETM,
Yes, we've been discussing the unveil here: Unveiling in November?
We've been speculating about features in a number of threads, but this one is the one for wishlists: Model-X wishlist�
Dec 12, 2011
Norbert If it is tomorrow, then it is surprisingly quite so far...�
Dec 12, 2011
AnOutsider Indeed, but again, if it's to be an exclusive unveil at first, it makes sense. I'm sure everyone who has been invited to NY already knows (whether or not that's tomorrow and/or the reveal point). I'd like to see the X but I'm hoping they do some sort of public announcement as well as its more likely we'd get S pricing options then as well.�
Dec 12, 2011
Doug_G If I had to guess, the unveiling will not come in November. That's 11 months from now...�
Dec 12, 2011
AnOutsider You should be an analyst.�
Dec 12, 2011
Doug_G Well at least my statements are factual.�
Dec 12, 2011
AnOutsider Right, you're already ahead of the game :smile:�
Dec 12, 2011
Norbert Looking forward to the unveiling in 11 months, then... :biggrin:�
Dec 13, 2011
VolkerP True. But this thread has the advantage that the title never expires... :biggrin:�
Dec 13, 2011
WhiteKnight As far as I know the December 13th date was a process of deduction. I believe Elon Musk said that it was time to unveil the Model X before the end of the year. There were several articles to that effect.
Apple used to generally unveil their products on a Tuesday, I think because they believed that the most people were sitting at their desks in front of their computers on that day and they had the rest of the week for the buzz to reverberate. Waiting until Tuesday, next week - December 20th - would be too long since lots of people will be starting their Christmas vacations next week and Hanukkah starts on the 20th. So the thinking was (at least on my part) that they'd have to do it today. If it gets to noon or 1PM and we don't hear anything then obviously they don't share that line of reasoning.
I would have thought that we'd hear something by now because I would think they would have to invite the press and the press would tip off everybody (through blogs et cetera) to be on the lookout for the big unveiling. The fact that none of that has happened so far makes it seem like Tesla is not stealing a page from Apple's playbook. Can anybody remember the circumstances under which they unveiled the Model S years ago? Was there advance notice so that people could "tune in?"�
Dec 13, 2011
WhiteKnight Just read this in the Barclays Capital report from today:
So if we get anything before then it will be just some teaser pictures or that kind of thing.�
Dec 13, 2011
WhiteKnight Just read this in the Barclays Capital research report from today:
So if we get anything before then it will be teaser photos or that kind of thing.�
Dec 13, 2011
VolkerP The Model S unveiling event was announced weeks in advance.�
Dec 13, 2011
WhiteKnight Just read another report that says that Wall Street analysts are invited to meet with Tesla on December 22nd but that no pictures will be released to the public before the February 9th event.�
Dec 13, 2011
WhiteKnight Just read another report that says that Wall Street analysts are invited to meet with Tesla on December 22nd but that no pictures will be released to the public before the February 9th event.�
Dec 13, 2011
Mycroft That's the first day of Winter. I wonder if the Model S options and pricing will be revealed then. It sure would match Elon's under-promise, over-deliver.�
Dec 13, 2011
AnOutsider 2/9/12? That would be a huge buzzkill. *awaits the leaks*�
Dec 13, 2011
AnOutsider I was always confused by "Winter" scheduling. If you say "Winter 2011", does that mean after 12/22 but before the end of the year? Or are Jan-March '12 considered part of "Winter 2011"? Not that they said 2011 mind you, the design studio says "this winter".�
Dec 13, 2011
doug As House Stark says, "Winter is coming."
Threads merged and title updated.�
Dec 13, 2011
efusco I get this quote! ~2/3rds through book 5...and slogging along.�
Dec 13, 2011
VolkerP It appears, then, that Dec 13 was the unveiling of the release date. Fair guess, but apparently very bad for the stock :scared:�
Dec 14, 2011
AnOutsider Yeah, without a public/major reveal this year, I wonder if the stock will coast and dip until the next event (X reveal? S pricing?). Good buying opportunities for sure, but bad move on the PR team's part. Gotta keep momentum and mindshare.�
Dec 21, 2011
AnOutsider Tomorrow is the supposed event, and nothing has leaked. Impressive.�
Dec 22, 2011
WhiteKnight If a tree falls in the woods, but nobody hears it, does it make a sound?�
Dec 23, 2011
TEG
By the way, check out the design sketches:
david imai | car designer | sketches�
Dec 23, 2011
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Dec 23, 2011
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Dec 23, 2011
AnOutsider Speed in an suv? Yesssssssss! I was considering a cayenne before�
Dec 23, 2011
WhiteKnight The 'slowest' 911 goes 0-60 in 5.0 seconds! Either that is a typo or the Model X will blow the doors off the Model S (non-sport version of course).�
Dec 23, 2011
AnOutsider So, perhaps the "Performance" Model X will be a Cayenne Turbo fighter:
Code:500 hp @ 6,000 rpm 0-60 mph: 4.4 s Top Track Speed: 172 mph 22 mpg MSRP $ 107,100.00�
Dec 24, 2011
felixtb this is GREAT news. exactly what I was hoping for. already told the Zurich guys that the minute it's possible I'm ordering one!!
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Dec 26, 2011
JRP3 I know it says "VW" on the front but something like that would be a pretty sweet X design:�
Dec 26, 2011
AnOutsider My dealer has that sketch up. I THINK it ended up becoming that sleek Touareg (forget what they called it overseas?)�
Jan 5, 2012
Teslawisher So... Here's my first post on here. I've been keeping an eye out for some time. Just finally decided to join in. Even though I'm not a reservation holder, I am extremely impressed with how Tesla is coming along and anxiously have awaited all the developments of the Model S and now... ta-da!!! the X.
My question... I've been looking, but haven't seen any more tweets, posts, sites, etc. about the private X reveal on the 22nd. Anyone seen or heard anything new?
Lastly, I can't believe the X would have the kinds of acceleration specs mentioned above. I would guess similar to the S signature performance. Almost double the base price and very limited?
Go Tesla!!!�
Jan 5, 2012
AnOutsider Haven't seen much myself, but I'm going to guess it'll be later this month or early next month that we'll get official mention of it (likely coinciding with an update to the site and design center).
I didn't get that bit though, care to clarify?�
Jan 6, 2012
AnOutsider Here we go: Tesla plans to unveil electric Model X SUV in February Cleantech News and Analysis
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Jan 6, 2012
Robert.Boston I'm guessing that Teslawisher thought that the Model X is some "supercharged" version of the Model S. It's not, of course; it's the crossover/SUV/mini-van that will borrow heavily from the Model S "skate", with a sales target of 15,000 vehicles/year.
The "informed speculation" on the boards lead me to think that:
- There will be a Signature Model X and two or three battery options
- The Model X batteries will all need to be somewhat larger capacity than their counterparts on the Model S to achieve the same range
- Instead of a Performance package, we'll see an AWD option that uses two PEM/motor combinations, one on each axle
- A small but non-trivial portion of Model S reservation holders will shift their reservations over to the Model X
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Jan 6, 2012
AnOutsider I'm hoping there WILL be performance version. I looked at a cayenne turbo because I like performance and I liked SUVs, but couldn't justify getting rid of my perfectly capable Q5 for a vehicle almost double the price (plus Porsche vehicles just look too much like frogs to me).
I could for the X though. Especially since the Q5 will likely have 50-60k miles by then.�
Jan 6, 2012
AnOutsider More tidbits from this article:
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Jan 6, 2012
AnOutsider Once it rains, it pours:
Elon Musk: Tesla Model X Set For February 9 Unveiling
They seem to hint they think it'll be at the Chicago Auto Show:
Tesla Model X all-electric crossover is very quick, very roomy and will be revealed Feb 9th
This one uses that pic that's been floating around:
In the original text, "nerds" is struck out.
Lastly, TheVerge: Tesla Model X electric SUV to be revealed on February 9th | The Verge
I think it's safe to say I'm more intrigued by the X than the S. If they hit it out the park on this one I can see it being my vehicle when it comes out and giving my wife the S.�
Jan 9, 2012
Teslawisher I just meant, that in order to get the performance from the X that was mentioned earlier in this thread, that it will be via options that will come close to doubling the price of the base model. Similar to the S, whereas to get the 4.4 second 0-60, you have to get the signature performance version. I haven't added everything up, but it seems that you'll end up near 90k as opposed to the base 50k.
I'm certainly not complaining about it, was just speculating. Wonder what the X base price will be.
Can't wait to see the X officially unveiled!�
Jan 9, 2012
AnOutsider Quick correction: You don't have to get a signature car to get a performance car. You can get a non-sig performance S for 80k (after rebate) vs sig performance for ~98k after rebate.�
Jan 9, 2012
Teslawisher Yes. I stand corrected. I didn't see the 4.4 0-60 spec on the non-sig performance version. Thanks. So, it's 60% increase in price over the base as opposed to almost 100%.
But, with all being said, I was just commenting that I would guess that in order to get the "faster than a 911" in 0-60 in the Model X, you will have to put out a substantial amount over what ends up to be its base price. I would have no problem however with a 6 second 0-60 all electric family hauler. Can't wait!!�
Jan 9, 2012
AnOutsider Analyst Calls Tesla Model X Electric Crossover "Fast, Roomy�
They got a hand on the report:
I'd never heard of it either.
This timeline stuff sort of confuses me though:
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Jan 9, 2012
Mycroft I'm thinking that "being ready for introduction in late 2012" means that they're planning on introducing the beta in the 4th quarter like they did the Model S. The earlier "availability" would be possible because they already have the factory up and running - they just need to set up a new line. So availability would be possible much earlier than it was for the Model S.�
Jan 9, 2012
AnOutsider Still a strange phrasing.. In what was is it "available"? Does that mean that's when pre-orders start? Rides? If preorders, that's late, if rides, that's early. If they just mean "some betas will be made", then that doesn't really go with the definition of "available" does it?
*edit* actually, it says *introduction* in late 2012, so again, if we're seeing it next month, isn't that being introduced?�
Jan 9, 2012
gg_got_a_tesla That sounds reasonable. Prototype unveiling on Feb 9, Beta (with "over 90% production intent") by December 2012 and Production by December 2013.
If, on Feb 9, the X prototype turns out to be as snappy as it promises to be, I wonder how much it might cannibalize current (and future) Model S reservations?!
If the price differential (say, <speculation> the base bare-bones X costs $59,900 before Fed tax credit </speculation>) isn't too much over the base bare-bones S, would it tempt some folks to switch allegiance from the S to the X? Could that adversely impact Tesla's short-to-medium-term health?!�
Jan 9, 2012
Mycroft It's going to be heavier and less aerodynamic, thus possibly less range. I think the performance version will be the 4-wheel drive model and the price is going to end up around $120k. Just my thinking of course.
It might draw off some Model S reservation holders, but if it were me, I would go ahead with the Model S purchase and plan on selling it or trading it in for the Model X. 2014 is a long time from now.�
Jan 9, 2012
dsm363 I agree. I think they need to try and keep it under $100,000 though. That should be possible with battery prices coming down about 8% per year according to Tesla.�
Jan 9, 2012
Norbert As far as I understood, Model X will use the same line (or at least mostly, I guess). It has the total capacity to run 2 shifts of about 20,000 each.�
Jan 9, 2012
WhiteKnight "Slowest" 911 runs 0-60 in 5.0 seconds, and the Model X has to weigh more than the Model S, so I don't think it's possible to beat a 911 without two motors. By the way, I would be shocked if the Model S does not have a dual-motor performance version at the same time the Model X is introduced (that beats the current performance model by a substantial margin) to match the AWD 5-series that BMW offers (xDrive). That's the great thing about the skateboard, once developed these innovations can be used across the platform.�
Jan 9, 2012
WhiteKnight Sounds like I need to plan a trip to Fremont for the Model X Ride Event in December!!! All I want for Christmas is a Model X. I suppose they'll start taking reservations on February 9th!
I think Model S can beat its competition, I think Model X will smash it's competition to smithereens!!!
Model X Will Have Greater Comparative Advantage
This could be the real game changer for Tesla (how many !!!s is too many?)�
Jan 9, 2012
AnOutsider So I take it the race is on to see who on here gets the earliest deposit then?�
Jan 9, 2012
felixtb You bet! luckily we are in different markets.�
Jan 9, 2012
ahimberg AWD coming down to the S would really tempt me to delay my S if its not too far out (given I'm already expecting late 2012, but end of 2013 is a long time to wait with S's showing up everywhere!)�
Jan 10, 2012
Lloyd Or buy the S, reserve the X and keep the one that suits you best. If the backlog keeps up you should be able to get your money out of one you sell!�
Jan 10, 2012
JRod0802 The Model S Beta was unveiled on Oct. 1st, right? With Production starting in Late July, that would be 9.5 - 10 months of beta before production. Wouldn't you think that the Model X would spend less time in Beta (not more) since they'll already know so much about the platform?
I would think Model X beta in early March 2013, production in December 2013.�
Jan 10, 2012
JRod0802 I think that Tesla is really out to prove that they can get everything that they promised done on time to prove their viability as a company. At this point they've promised 4 wheel drive on the Model X, but not on the Model S. I feel like that would place delivering the Model X with dual-motors (our suspected method of 4 wheel drive) as a higher priority than upgrading the Model S to have dual-motors. Having dual motors in the Model S would mean redesigning some parts of the car (they'd share the skateboard, but there'd still be some things that need to change to accommodate the extra motor up front).
Considering everything else that they're doing, I guess I'd be surprised if the Model S wasn't delayed a little on getting the dual-motors.�
Jan 10, 2012
dsm363 This is interesting. Gives weights of things people actually tow on average
How Much Truck Do You Really Need? - U.S. News Best Cars�
Jan 10, 2012
AnOutsider I guess I'm of the thinking that so much is shared that once they get AWD for X, it should be fairly trivial on S. remember X has OPTIONAL AWD, so they still have to design it like the S, then modify for AWD. It might transfer back to the S quite easily in that situation.�
Jan 10, 2012
dsm363 Do you think early Model S owners would be upset if they offered optional second motor in the second year of production on the Model S and didn't offer it as a paid upgrade to the first run of the Model S?�
Jan 10, 2012
AnOutsider Should and will are very different. As we've seen recently, people will complain no matter what. Automakers make improvements to their cars every model year. Tesla upgraded the Roadsters between version numbers. Same thing. One thing Tesla did do though, was make some of the newer stuff available to older models. Not many manufacturers do that.�
Jan 10, 2012
dsm363 I agree. I'm hoping Tesla sticks to their Silicon Valley roots and does offer upgrades when possible. That'd be something no one else has ever done in the car business that I'm aware of and would show how loyal they are to their customers. I think they'll do it if possible since it would only be a few thousand cars they're have to upgrade at most (since it would likely be a very expensive upgrade and most people wouldn't be willing to do it).�
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