Thứ Sáu, 6 tháng 1, 2017

Model 3 Possible Configuration and Options, what will you order? part 1

  • Mar 20, 2016
    Darryl
    The following is just to start people thinking what option are you interested in on your Model 3. We really won't know what configurations and what options there will be and their cost until the design studio opens. We also don't know if all configurations will be available from the beginning. This information is based generally on the current Model S and X.

    Both the Model S and Model X come in three configurations. The base version which is the 70D, a mid-range version which is the 90D and the performance version which is the P90D. The P90D is the only version which can be upgraded to add LUDICROUS MODE, which is referred to on this forum P90DL. The P90D and P90DL look the same and the only way to tell from ouside the car is on the right rear of the car. Cars with the ludicrous mode have the P90D underlined.

    Below are some example configuration for the Model 3: (We will not know what the real configurations for another 12-24 months.)

    • Model 3 Base Version maybe a Model 3 50 (50kWh)*
    • Model 3 with Dual Motors (D), maybe a Model 3 60D to include all wheel drive (60kWh)
    • Model 3 performance version a Model 3 P70D to include all wheel drive, active spoiler, electric stability and traction control and red break calipers (70kWh)
    * The reason I started with 50 kWh is the articles I have read indicate a battery of 50 kWh would be what it would take to get a car 20% smaller car to a range of 200. Since I am not an engineer I had to rely on their expertise and this is what others are saying may be in a base model. Whatever it takes to get to 200 miles is what they will put in the base configuration as the battery pack represents the largest % of the total cost to make the car.

    Like with the S and X to each of these their would be options such as leather or vegan seats, better stereo system (Internet Streaming) , autopilot, larger wheels (16, 18, 19), chrome or black wheels, sunroof/moonroof, Internet, upgraded paint (multi coat, metallic), better HVAC (hepa filter), Supercharger Access, Tow Package, Third row seating (toe to Toe), High amperage Charging, navigation

    As with the X and S many of these will be combined into groups and not purchasable on their own. For example there may be a Premium group which would include leather seats, upgraded HVAC and Sunroof/Moonroof, an Electronics group which would include Internet and Navigation. Various option may not be available on all configurations.

    As with all automobile companies they package the options in a way where you have to buy something you don't want to get something you do want. For example you may want leather seats but leather seats are in the premium group and to get the leather seats you end up with a sunroof and better HVAC you really didn't want.

    Tesla has already stated the more expensive (loaded) cars will be produced first. We won't know the real pricing for a long time so this is just a ball park estimate. (Since the base car is 1/2 as much as the Model S/X I estimated 1/2 for the cost of options.)

    So will you just order the base car with no options? The $35k version?
    Will you order a dual motor car with extended range? The $40k-$60k version?
    Will you order a loaded car? The $65k-85k version?
    Are there specific options you really want and have to have?

    What will you order?
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    MiamiNole
    It all depends on the pricing. Must haves for me are next-gen leather seats, moon roof, AP, and of course SC access if it isn't included in the price.
    Like to haves are dual motor, premium sound system.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    SureValla
    Interesting question, I'll be trying to max range when I pick. Question: how long before being invited to the design studio will we know pricing?
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Fallenone
    I expect SC access and AP come in options. I'll for sure add these two. Not sure about other options, may depend on my mood when it comes to ordering.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    ELRev
    I'm going to spend way too much time contemplating the answer to this question over the next 18+ months. I'd love to hear other people's reasoning is for one option over another, but for now, this is my general thinking:

    Starting with battery: leaning toward the larger battery size. The range and speed difference will likely be worth it to me. I also expect that the larger battery size will come with AWD standard. I've test-driven a Model S twice, and the added acceleration and way the AWD car hugs the road are hugely noticeable for me, and the added range is worth investing in for my purposes. The current upgrade to larger battery and AWD in the Model S is $18000. Let's arbitrarily assume Tesla gets that down to $12000 for the Model 3. Now we're at $47000.

    I highly doubt that I'd invest in the performance version, as the Model 3 in general is on the edge of my price range. I wouldn't even consider myself in the market for a new car. If the Model 3 didn't exist, I'd keep what I have (a 2012 Hyundai Sonata).

    As for additional upgrade options, based loosely on a combination of current Model S options and your list from another thread, Darryl, this is my thinking so far:

    Must-Haves (in order):
    Autopilot/Tech Package (If internet is separate, that's next) (Let's say $3000)
    Non-white/black Paint Color (Leaning blue from current options) ($1000)

    Seriously Considering:
    Sunroof ($1500)
    Leather Seats/Premium Interior (Would love a configuration with white seats) ($2500/$3000)
    Supercharger access (would pass if pass-per-use option introduced) ($2000)
    High-fidelity sound ($2500)

    Probably unnecessary, but maybe if I can afford it:
    Bigger/nicer wheels ($4500)
    Smart air suspension ($1500)

    Pass:
    Cold weather package
    Extra Seats
    Dual charger
    Spoiler

    If I went with everything I'm considering above, assuming prices are anywhere near what I have listed, I'm looking at $62250. Something will almost certainly get cut from that list.

    There are a number of things I'm taking into consideration when deciding how much to spend:

    I'm expecting to receive at least 50% of the current tax incentive. ($3250-7500)
    I'm contributing whatever money I get from selling my current car toward my Model 3 purchase. (Assuming ~$5000)
    California rebate (Currently $2500, could increase based on my tax bracket)
    Gas/maintenance savings over 5 years (i.e. how long I will have owned my current car by time I purchase the Model 3) (~$7500)
    Started a weekly contribution to a savings account to lessen the blow to my current savings. Thought that would be a good lesson in discipline to help justify such an admittedly "unnecessary" purchase. (aiming for $10000 more saved in 18 months)

    Best case scenario from the above puts me at +$32,500 by late 2017. I'm 25 years old, and I'm really hoping not to gut my savings with this purchase, but I "will" be able to afford it regardless. The question is simply how far do I want to go. I can't go all out, but if I'm going to buy this piece of cutting edge technology, I'm going to invest in options worth having. I'm expecting $60,000 to be the absolute top of my limit. Aiming to spend less than that. But we'll see what comes standard and how much everything else costs. My current car is pretty standard, but having driven a Model S twice now, there are certain things I don't think I'll want to live without.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    EinSV
    Fun to think about!

    My guess is that they'll offer 60/80kWh options or something close. If so, depending on price would expect to order P80D, possibly Ludicrous (depending on performance of P80D and added price for Ludi).

    AP, Leather, premium wheels and, of course, the most important part of any car -- premium HiFi. Supercharger is also a must if not included.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Twiglett
    For sure having supercharger and AP if they are optional.
    Also going with whatever gets the best range - which usually precludes the performance options, but usually means dual motor (assuming that isn't standard either!).
    All of the rest really depends on how the option packaging goes.
    Would like some kind of nav but don't care about leather etc.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Gen3Joe
    Ooh this is always fun!

    [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.701961)]Must have:
    PXXD
    Autopilot
    Supercharger access
    Cloth seats

    If I can stay under $65k then I will add in order:
    Ludicrous
    Premium sound
    Faster AC charging
    Rims[/COLOR]
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Gen3Joe
    Looks like copy paste added some strange font stuff to my last post. Anyone know how to edit a post?
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    ELRev
    There's an edit option on the bottom left corner of the text box from each of your posts.


    EDIT:
    Right Here
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    andrewschuyler
    So in configuring the model 3, what kind of financing does tesla offer?
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    diamond.g
    Minimum for me is AP, AWD, and SC access. Battery upgrade will depend on how much distance it would add. The farthest we tend to go is the outer banks and with the Norfolk SC and the RV parks down there we should be okay with the base model.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Az_Rael
    My first priority will be upgrading to the largest battery. Supercharger access and autopilot upgrades will be the next must haves.

    After that I will check the creature comfort boxes to get leather seats, navigation/internet, sunroof, upgraded audio, a paint color and interior color I like, etc.

    IF I am still under $60k at that point, I will look at AWD and bigger rims, etc. I seriously doubt I will be able to afford a P model, so that will probably be the first to go.


    The only thing that worries me is an Elon statement I saw somewhere that the Model 3 wouldn't launch with all the options available right away. We know Tesla changes the options regularly in the design studio with no warning for the S and X, so it has made me consider what options I might WAIT to place an order for.

    I think right now the answer to that is Autopilot and supercharger access. If you can't configure the initial versions of the 3 with both those two features, then I will hold off confirming my order until I can add those options.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Future3Driver
    No idea what will be offered. I would like to see a larger battery pack with a longer range and an AWD option. An appearance package would be nice also. I will be placing a deposit online when it starts.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    rnelsonee
    Autopilot is my only must-have. I'm keeping my ICE car (it will replace a truck as my wife's daily driver) so I don't need Supercharger access for my road trips (and therefore, don't want to pay for the charger in the car). AWD might be nice especially if it increases the chance of getting it earlier. I expect this car to perform as well as any car I've owned without a performance add-on, so that's a no go.

    For creature comforts, I prefer synthetic leather (provided it's done right!) over leather, but both over cloth. Heated seats and sunroof are nice. Not too picky otherwise. So basically base+AP+AWD if it helps get the tax credit.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Borgholio
    I'll definitely get Autopilot if it's around $2,500. That's the main reason I'll be getting a Tesla...for the convenience of having the car drive itself. I will also get a premium paint color for $1,000 (Cobalt Blue is gorgeous).

    I would want to get Supercharging but I would actually feel a bit ripped off if it was more than $2,000 or so. I'd probably still get it anyways though...it would greatly extend the usefulness of the car and eliminate range anxiety.

    I would also like to get a bigger battery for longer range but that would be a luxury for me, since 200 mile range is more than plenty for my daily driver, and supercharger access will let me take long road trips.

    Everything else such as sunroof, AWD, premium sound, etc...are all luxuries and I would not miss them. I want to keep the car to maximum price of ~$40k and unless an option is really really useful for me, I can do without it.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    roguenode
    No to pano (rock chips/cracked windshields are close to an annual thing around here), leather, AP, premium sound, air suspension, or any speed or battery enhancements not included with AWD.

    Yes to AWD, SC access, red color. I'd guess $43-44k. Since I"m not currently a Tesla owner or employee and I'll be pretty far back in the pack. I should get the full Colorado credit (-$6000), putting the car around $37-38k. Would love to find I can get half the fed credit, bringing it under $35k. If it looks like half of the fed credit is a reasonable assumption, I'll add the cold weather package as well.

    Side note, first "mod" will be Photosync tint 35% all around (75% on the windshield) to reduce heat and need for a/c in the summer and retain interior heat in the winter.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    tga
    I'm looking for a PxxDL. I want everything but smart air suspension, which, IMHO, is a pointless gimmick that is destined to fail and cost you thousands of dollars to repair the day after your warranty expires (I generally keep cars for 8-10 years). AWD is mandatory - my street here in the NH mountains is impassible without AWD after a snowstorm, even with top-notch snow tires.

    Does it rain rocks where you live? How would rocks kicked up from cars in front of you damage the roof? Windshield I get, but roof?
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Mad Hungarian
    Seems to me I already did this on an identical thread a while back, but what the heck, it's still fun.
    Assuming it's all offered:
    - "P" model with biggest battery and dual motor
    - Next Gen (sport) seats, preferably not leather
    - Pano roof
    - Auto pilot
    - Air suspension (I'm thinking this may not be offered on the little guy, hope I'm wrong as I'd love the extra ride height for rallying)
    - Premium sound
    - Winter package (heated seats, steering wheel, etc)
    - SC, assuming it's extra cost
    - Dual chargers
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Gen3Joe
    I am logged in and I don't see the edit option

    Edit:
    Interesting. I can see it on this post but not the earlier one.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Mad Hungarian
    Edit function is only activated after your 5th post ;)
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Hugh Mannity
    Am likely going to go for the top of the line model with the best range.

    So no P for me, a 100D would fit the bill:D
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    HookBill
    First and foremost, four tires. Gotta get it home somehow.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    tga
    You're too new. It takes some number of posts before you can edit.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Brad_NC
    As of now, I'd choose these things in this order... in 11 days, my thoughts may be different, in 18 months my thoughts will surely be different. My budget... who knows?

    Lines 1-4 are my "must-haves."

    1. Base Model 3 [$35k]
    2. Driving range of 250+ miles & AWD. [$10k]
    3. AutoPilot [$2.5k]
    4. SuperCharger Access (Maybe included in the base $35k already? I would not need to use it frequently, so if a pay-per-use model is introduced, I'd go that route.) [$2.5k]
    5. Model X-Style Seats [$2k]
    6. Smart Air Suspension [$2.5k]
    7. Paint Color [$1k]
    8. Panoramic Roof [$1k]

    $56.5k + $1.2k Destination and Doc Fee
    $57.7k + taxes
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Philcasi
    Autopilot and the lights/tech package. Also if I have to pay extra for the charging stations, That too.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    lonewolf313
    US$35,000 Base Model 3 - Shipped to Australia, it will be closer to AU$50,000 here

    My list of optional extras in order of priority (and availability)
    Supercharging
    Auto Pilot
    Metallic Paint
    Premium Sound
    Dual Motor
    Leather Seats

    My maximum price ceiling will be around AU$75,000
    (At this point - A luxury car tax of 33 cents for each dollar is added to the final cost of the car above AU$75,375 in Australia)

    Tesla Finance (via a local bank) is available here for the Model S.

    Hopefully, it will be extended to include the Model 3 as well. This way, I only need a deposit of up to 30% and pay off the remainder over 3 to 5 years
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    roguenode
    My daily commute includes miles of mountain canyon driving with rock walls at each side. Rock routinely fall on the road from above. Case in point, this was posted just this evening on the facebook page setup to report local canyon road conditions:[?IMG]
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Darryl
    Tesla doesn't offer financing directing but works through both Chase Auto Financing and TD bank. Of course financing is based on your credit score and for how long you are financing. I think three years was around 2.25% and four years was around 2.35%. Financing working through Tesla took less than 12 hours to get approval. You dont want to start to finance until you get your VIN as it is only good for 2 months or you have to get extended.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Red Sage
    One can only dream...

    2019 Tesla Model ? P135D Coupe with Falcon Wing Doors in RED with a TAN interior.

    That'll do, Pig. That'll do.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Darryl
    Florida is completely flat. I live on an Island with speed limited in the area between 30-45 mph but the Tesla SC is about 65 miles away and lots of traffic and lots of dump trucks because of the I4 Ultimate project which will be going on for a few more years. I got the front third of my Model X wrapped in XPEL which is a self healing membrane. Don't have to worry about snow only hurricanes.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Scott Wilcox
    AWD and bigger battery are number one. (I am in the Midwest so SC are few and far between.)
    Then SC.
    Then leather
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    tga
    Raining rocks it is, then. Yikes!
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Darryl
    Just remember Tesla generally does not use a product year like other auto manufactures. Their year changes on January 1. So any car made after the 1st has the new year. I doubt if they will be putting that big a battery in a model 3. You would have to go to a S or X. They have to keep some distinction between products or they will loose sale of their higher end cars which Tesla will not let happen.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Darryl
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    roguenode
    If I wasn't worried about insurance and replacement costs, I'd definitely get the Pano.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    ucmndd
    I think my only "must haves" would be Autopilot and Supercharger access. Everything else can get in line from there.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Grendal
    If I go for a Model 3, and it is looking like that is more and more a possibility, then I'd go for the following items:

    1. Model 3 with max battery pack.
    2. AWD. Maybe I'm willing to pay $5K for it.
    3. AutoPilot Definitely.
    4. SuperCharger Access. I'd prefer a pay as you go plan since I don't typically drive long distances.
    5. Smart Air Suspension.
    6. Cold Weather package.

    That's all I can think of that I'd need.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    jeremyz
    I want maximum performance and non-leather interior. Hopefully, Tesla will offer multiple vegan interior options with the Model 3.

    Elon Musk tweeting about his non-leather seat Model X:
    That said, the white interior is the best. Highly recommend.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Darryl
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    With the other Models the first Invites went out around 6 weeks before production started. It was a little different as they had a Signature Model first which they won't have with the Model 3 meaning the first invitation will be for production cars. Depending on how many reservation there are will dictate how long it will take to get all invitation outs. They could probably stretch invites over a couple month period if there are a lot of reservations.

    With the Model X there was a considerable amount of reservationists who never ordered. Part of this may have been because users didn't expect the different configurations and options would be so high in price. To get a car with the Ludicrous Mode, Premium and Autopilot Options put the cost over $155K. I am sure there will be a lot less people who don't order on the less expensive Model 3 but I am sure there will still be sticker shock.

    Therefore the earliest before people will see invitations to reserve based on the published timeline will most likely be late 2017 to early 2018. This is if there are no delays. Tesla doesn't usually publicize pricing but forum users who get early invitations usually will post the information to the forum.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Darryl
    As you probably are aware the Vegan seats only came in white. They looked nice and felt like real leather. Several months into production they found the seats would split/crack if someone heavy were to sit on the seats. Since this has been a recent development I am not sure if there is a resolution. I believe this was a more expensive option than leather and depending on how many people ordered them on the Model X will probably determine if they will expand to more colors on the Model 3.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    EcoHeliGuy
    Supercharger Isn't going to be an add-on and AWD likely will be only option.

    So my priorities based on above probable assumptions is.

    Cold weather package,
    Max range
    And towing.


    If autopilot is an option then I'll add that as a first option
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    ZAKEEUS
    1. Biggest available battery
    2. AWD
    3. Audio upgrade
    4. Autopilot
    5. Nicer rims (not necessarily bigger)
    5. Paint upgrade
    6. Next Gen Seats

    Outside of forums, there is no reason to believe SC access won't be included. I have 0 interest in the performance version or a moon roof.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Darryl
    If they have a performance addition they will probably have air suspension and maybe even an active spoiler. I am as less confident they will have a ludicrous mode but anything is possible. I doubt if they will offer the pano roof as I have read they want it to be the signature of the X along with the falcon wing doors. To get from a 90D to a P90D was a $20k upgrade and another $10k for Ludicrous. Fully loaded it was about $160k not including delivery and sales tax. The fully loaded model X was $90k in options, more than 2 1/2 times the cost of a base model 3, (just in options). I am sure if you want a fully loaded Model 3 you could more than double the base price (probably 2 1/2 times the base).
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    1.21 Jiggawatts
    Unfortunately the Canadian dollar is poor (hopefully it won't be in 2 years) and my home province of saskatchatoon doesn't offer any EV incentives.

    So I'm shooting for a base model with dual motor and climate package for canadian winters eh. Hopefully the base model is at least 220 miles and has reasonable stock features.

    Unsure about upgrading to supercharger access. My province won't have superchargers for a long ass time, so I'm not sure if it's worth it.

    So excited tho. Man.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    Darryl
    From what I read they may not even offer the Supercharging Network on the model 3 as the buildout to support the 3 would be huge. The article said the final decision has not been made but they are looking at all possibilities to include as an option like the X or as a per use charge.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    M67v
    I think the 70 will be the top of the line battery.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    hockeythug
    Feel free to post the link to this article that has quotes from Tesla but I'm sure it's 100% speculation. Also, as of now Supercharging is built into the price of both the S and X and is not a option. I have noticed you are continuing to propagate that fiction on here.
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  • Mar 20, 2016
    gizmoboy
    I'll probably put down a deposit JIC. But I might bite on a refreshed S before a 3...

    My must-haves:

    * AP
    * AWD

    WOULD-LIKES IN PRIORITY ORDER:

    * Premium Interior (Assuming Ventilated Seats is part of it)
    * Enhanced Battery to get in the 85D performance range
    * SuperCharger Access
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    smak
    To tell you the truth, looking at the Model S extras, I really don't want any of them except autopilot.

    Unless there are some things taken out of the standard package on the S, i'd probably stick with only that.

    But what that means is I'd load up on the other stuff, including probably the better battery, panoramic roof, and next generation leather seats.

    Possibly nicer wheels.

    I don't have an unlimited amount of money to spend, and I feel those extras are worth more to me than the interior upgrades
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    smak
    Is it possible the extra price to go 1 or 2 better on the battery will be significantly cheaper than it is on the S?
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    graphix25
    1. Base Model 3 [$35k]
    2. Driving range of 250+ miles & AWD. [$12k]
    3. AutoPilot [$2.5k]
    4. Premium Interior and Lighting [$2.5k]
    5. Upgraded Leather [$2.5k] (Black or Tan)
    5. Paint Color [$1k] -- Red (Multi-Coat Red, signature red would be better :>)
    6. Panoramic Roof [$1k]
    7. Upgraded Wheels [$2.5k]

    Assumptions:
    SuperCharger Access Included, will add if it is not included with the upgraded battery and AWD package.

    $56.5k + $1.2k Destination and Doc Fee
    $57.7k + taxes

    Puts me a little over $60k which is my upper limit. Will not likely allow for "P" edition. One of the key benefits of having 2 years + before taking delivery on the car it allows for a lot of time to beef up down payment. Plan is to pay 50% down up front and finance the rest over 60 months. Payments will be around $500 a month which works well with my monthly auto budget. Leasing a BMW 2015 335i now for $600 a month, ends in August 2018. Should be perfectly timed to take delivery on my Tesla Model 3.

    Keep the car for 7-8 years then trade it in or give to the kids and get another Tesla.

    I'm never buying a ICE car again..
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    HeIsAGod
    I thought it was stated super charging will be included? Did I read wrong?

    Here are my must haves :

    Auto pilot
    Supercharging

    Other than that
    Textile seats, don't even want leather in an S
    I don't like the next gen seats not as comfy as the textile to me.
    Third row option would be great.
    Don't care about sunroof or high fidelity
    Would consider smart air if an option but not for th current 2500
    Would get standard white or black they're my fav colors anyway unless they bring brown or green back
    I weep a bit inside each time I see the Browns and greens they're so nice...I always want what I can't have.

    The concept looks similar in shape to what I drive and it's perfect for me so my fingers are crossed its a similar (but way better because, well, Tesla, duh).

    I wouldn't pay for an up charged paint color (see exceptions above).

    I might get a small tattoo of the T symbol
    This has nothing to do with my model 3 config but I've been thinking about it and had to put it somewhere lol.

    What's the smallest tattoo available ?!

    Ok so that's my configured 3
    I don't care for the performance really. I mean yeah it's very fun to go full ludicrous once in a while but I don't know if it's worth the $. I do love it it feels like nothing other.
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    Mad Hungarian
    Pano roof - I'm referring to the Panoramic glass sunroof offered on the Model S, which I do expect to be an option on the Model 3 as every competitor Tesla is targeting in this segment - A4, 3 series, C class - does offer some form of sunroof.
    Ludicrous, etc. - How far they'll go in replicating the performance upgrades of the S or X is anyone's guess right now. However as many have pointed out around here, there are most definitely analogs in the recent ICE world. Look at Audi's RS4, or MB's C63 AMG Black edition. These are cars that tripled the price of their respective base platforms, and again, the very same platforms that the Model 3 targets.
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    SureValla
    +1
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    Red Sage
    God, Man... This changed with the Model X. Even those Delivered between September and December 2015 are all 'listed' as 2016 cars. I wrote '2019' to indicate I do not expect a Coupe of any sort to be offered by Tesla Motors prior to that calendar year. Geez...
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    Darryl
    Here is an article regarding Model 3 access to the Supercharger Network. They say it is doubtful that it will be free probably an option with cost between $1,000 - $2,000 since everyone will not need access.

    Will Tesla Motors Charge Extra For Model 3 Supercharging? If So, How Much? -- The Motley Fool
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    EcoHeliGuy
    That's an opinion piece from a website full of arm chair investors. The supercharger is a key point to Tesla. It isn't a paid option now. And is something that GM and Nissan can't offer yet.

    You can't compare a trial period and financing for an unproven system at the birth of the company, to today's proven and very successful key element.

    People on this forum are forgetting that Tesla can't sell cars at a loss, features like supercharger and autopilot have been included in every vehicle on the assembly line to lower cost of production. This is why they won't be building a $35k model at first, high optioned cars will be priority. The $35k mark is a ways off and by that time, Tesla will make a profit from falling costs.

    So Forum members keep getting caught up on "Tesla can't do this for $35k", it's going to be a while before they need to make a $35k car, the car doesn't cost $35k to produce, and all these "premium feature" cost dollars to include and well for large multiples, to raise profit margins.

    Short version superchaging components will be included so they won't cost extra to manufacture.
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    Oloron
    Well, there is the old rule of thumb when it comes to article headlines that are phrased as a question. 90% of the time the answer is "no". :)

    Of course we really have no idea until the 31st (if then), but the article also undercuts himself when he says it won't be included unless Tesla is being aggressive. Given the launch into the mass market, it's safe to say they are.

    All that said, I'm inclined to agree that Supercharger will be an added cost, but not big - around $1k. I suspect Tesla is stretching the financials to hit the $35k base cost. Given that, I think they'll need to have a lot of options that they expect most people to take to get the average selling price closer to $45-$50k.
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    Kensiko
    I would get the cheapest one. I don't need any luxury, I just want to do 150 km at minus 30 Celcius with one charge.
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    UKayla
    Good thread, this has been a hot topic of discussion in our household.

    I won't require more than a basic battery. However, depending on what my financial situation looks like at the time I may upgrade to better my chances of getting it faster.

    I want supercharger access and AP. I'm iffy on AWD. Expensive option that I probably won't really NEED most of the time- RWD is still going to handle sooooo much better than my current car.

    Nav/internet, leather seats, blue paint color are nonnegotiable. I don't really think I care about anything else that much. I would love heated seats but I don't want to have to add a whole expensive package to get it.
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    ELRev
    Current owners can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Model S front seats come standard with seat heaters. Back seats require the Cold Weather Package. Obviously, the Model 3 price point may require that things like this are cut out, but until we know for sure, there's still room for hope!
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    Snow Drift
    I'm a WRX guy, I don't need too many luxuries. AP would be awesome, but I'm a driver, so not required.
    • Dual Motor
    • 200mi range battery
    • Basic 17-18" rims (I'll go aftermarket)
    • Titanium Metallic or Red Multi-Coat
    • Grey Interior
    • Carbon Fiber trim
    • Glass Roof
    • Navigation
    • SiriusXM
    • Heated Seats
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    UKayla
    You know, I remember wondering about that when I was clicking around on the model S options. It didn't say specifically that the seats were heated, but there was an option to add heated rear seats. I feel like at this point, all new cars should have heated front seats anyway! My MIL bought a new Ford sedan and it wasn't expensive at all in the grand scheme but had a lot of really nice features that would have been considered luxury several years ago.
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    Darryl
    On the S and X front headed seats were standard but I doubt that they would be on a Base Model 3. The cold weather option added " vailable subzero weather package with heated rear seats and wiper blade and windshield washer fluid defrosters"
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    SureValla
    I'm actually not a fan of heated seats haha, cooling seats though sounds nice :)
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    Subrock
    Max range, and as much autopilot as I can get are my main concerns. Will obviously get the supercharger access too if that ends up being separate
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    pmich80

    Come move to Ontario for a year or two. You can get a 13,000 tax rebate from buying it here.
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    Infoe
    I live in Miami and so if I were to purchase an S (can't budget for it at the moment) I would want it to be RWD and have no need for cold weather package. The only thing I would def want is leather seats...not sure how I feel about AP. I have a small child and not sure if I can bring myself to trusting AP on a road trip to let's say Disney World.
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    SageBrush
    I see I am a distinct minority; perhaps that means I get mine first ;-) ?

    200 mile range
    Winter package
    Nav -- of one sort or another. Plugging in a smart-phone would be fine

    NO leather
    NO AP (I think it is brilliant and the future, but I live in a rural area where it is irrelevant.)
    Don't care about HF audio

    SuperCharger access will depend on cost, but I'm a pay_as_you_go kind of guy
    In short: excellent mechanics, excellent EV. I'll pass on the expensive gadgets.
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    MiamiNole
    I actually have the opposite feeling for you about AP. I live in Orlando but am from Miami and make trips back home frequently. I look FORWARD to making road trips easier. Of course I'd pay more attention once I hit Palm Beach County since South Floridians drive crazy, but AP still makes that drive much more pleasant in theory.
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    pmich80
    I've had my current car for 16 years and i'm finally taking the plunge with a Model 3. I've delayed getting a car for several years because I haven't been inspired by anything in the 40-45K range. Assuming it's anything like the Model S or X i'm definitely going to love the Model 3. Since i live in Toronto, there's a lot of extras i'll need for my car:

    Definite:
    AWD (for our winters)
    Winter Package (see above)
    Auto Pilot
    SuperCharging access (hopefully it's already included)
    Sunroof

    Maybes:
    Larger Battery
    Metallic Paint (sexy blue)
    Leather Seats (brown if it's available)
    Bigger Rims (if it's within budget)

    10 more sleeps! Cannot Wait to see it
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    physicsfita
    I drive about 40,000 mi/yr, mostly in northern states, so my "musts" are:
    - max range battery
    - AWD (FWD would be fine by me, but reports indicate that the base drivetrain will be RWD)
    - navigation
    - cold weather package
    - fog lights (it grates me that almost every manufacturer makes this an option)
    (I'm assuming supercharging is included)

    "Nice-to-haves":
    - autopilot
    - sunroof
    - blue paint job
    - better stereo/Sirius
    - 80-amp charging (assuming I can add it later; otherwise, I'll add it right away)

    "Don't-cares":
    - performance options
    - fancy rims
    - fancy trim

    It'll be interesting to how much I can get for about $50k. The tax credit would be really help, but given that I'm in the Midwest, and a Tesla-banning state at that, I'm not holding my breath on getting the car in time. I'm still planning on driving to Cleveland to get in line on the 31st in case I get lucky...
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    EMP40
    Something between $45 and $50K, anything over 50 I and may as well go for a nearly basic Model S and be sure of getting the $10K incentives (Fed.+CA)
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    UKayla
    It's interesting to see what people's needs and desires are due to their location, driving styles, etc.
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    JeffreyR
    FYI - SuperChargers don't use a charger in the car, it's direct DC to the battery pack. So you will get a charger in your car for just about everything else.
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    butchmank9
    I believe you can only edit your own post. Not 100 percent sure on this.
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  • Mar 21, 2016
    ArtC
    Supercharger access
    Auto pilot

    Nice to have:
    Heated seats
    Metallic paint(Blue, Red or Brown)
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    Litzy
    My Must haves include
    • Bigger Batter (More Range)
    • AWD (Much prefer this for winter, currently have AWD)
    • SuperCharger (if not included)
    • AP
    • Cold weather package (heated seats & stearing wheel & windshield wipers)
    Some other things I'll consider depending on resulting price of above
    • Biohazard mode (or whatever option has it, if it's available)
    • Towing (but probably not available)
    • Upgraded Audio / Nav
    I mostly prefer textile seats, but if forced to upgrade due to some package I would get the fake leather. Base paint color (not sure which) and I'd like to get all chrome blacked out (aftermarket work I guess). I'm kind of hoping for the Model X style but not expecting it.

    Overall I'd like to stay under ~55k. This is more than I'd spend for any other car.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    pmich80
    Is there somewhere i can read up on this or a detailed post about this. I'm trying to understand the differences between all the chargers onboard vs. the DC charger (i assume supercharging). It's all very confusing and the Tesla website isn't much help. I live in a Condo so for me i don't think i can set up a charger in my place and i want to know what i need for my car to access in public spaces and what options i have.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    SureValla
    It's interesting to note that a lot of people's #1 upgrade is the longer range (mine as well). This seems to point to the fact that while Tesla is the best game in town when it comes to batteries future owners still have range anxiety. However, I've heard some rumblings from current owners that their pre-purchase range anxiety was unfounded now that they've had the car a while. Can anyone weigh in on this?
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    tga
    The term "charger" often gets misused when talking about EV's. A charger is a device that takes AC power (typ 120V or 240V) and converts it to high voltage DC (HVDC) at the proper voltage and current to safely charge the battery. You never see the charger; it is always built into the car.

    The thing on the wall of your garage is not a charger. The proper term is "EVSE" (electric vehicle supply equipment), but people often (lazily) refer to it as a charger. The EVSE is basically a glorified extension cord with an electronic switch in it. Tesla's UMC and HPWC are both EVSE's. When you plug the EVSE cable into the car, the electronics in the EVSE and the car's internal charger communicate. The EVSE tells the car's charger how many amps the car can safely draw (the car may draw less, but not more than, what the EVSE tells it), and the car tells the EVSE it is properly connected and requests that the EVSE turn on the power (the EVSE connector is never energized until connected with a car and the car says go).

    Charging with AC power using the car's internal chargers is called level 1 (using 120V) or level 2 (using 240V), aka L1 or L2

    DC Fast Charging (DCFC), as called level 3 (or L3) charging, charges the car at a much higher rate than the onboard chargers can, using a very high power AC source (277/480V 3 phase AC). Supercharging is Tesla's brand for L3 DCFC. When DCFC, the car's internal charger is not used. Instead, an external, high power battery charger is used to feed the car's battery externally. The car's battery management system (BMS) communicates directly with the external charging station and instructs it on how much voltage and amperage to supply at any moment.

    ChaDeMo and SAE-CCS are the two main industry standards for DCFC. The use a different set of electrical contacts for the L3 DC input than the L1/L2 AC input. Tesla's system is based on CCS, but is unique in that they use the same input pins for AC and DC charging. The "Supercharging hardware" in the car is little more than a set of contactors (relays) that switch the input power jack from feeding AC to the on-board charger or bypassing the charger and feeding HVDC directly to the battery.

    Since the "Supercharging hardware" in the car is so simple, Tesla includes it on all cars, making "enabling Supercharging" entirely a software-controlled option. I see no reason they would do anything different for the Model 3.

    As to what do you need for charging at public stations -
    • If it's a public Tesla HPWC (240V L2), just plug in. The car will charge in a few hours.
    • If it's a public non-Tesla L1 or L2 station (aka J1772, the SAE spec #), you just need the adapter provided with the car. Other than that, it's just like using a HPWC (possibly slower).
    • If it's a Tesla Supercharger, just plug in. The car will charge in a few minutes.
    • If it's a Chademo station, you need a $450 optional adapter. Chademo is slower than Supercharging, due to limits on the charging stations
    • If it's an SAE-CCS station, you're out of luck. No adapter exists yet. As more stations come on line, Tesla may make an adapter.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    Doug_G
    This was posted on a local car forum. I have no idea where it came from:

    2q8u7t3.jpg
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    pmich80
    @tga Thanks you for taking the time to share and explain all this technology. I'll have to read it several times though to fully grasp it all. I happen to live near a Chademo station (L3) so i assume i'll be purchasing the adapter to get the fastest charge possible. Based on what you said, i assume having a Dual Charger won't help for use on this specific charger since it feeds directly into the battery. We do have several L2 chargers around my area and in Canada so I wonder if a dual charger would be a good idea.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    ModelNforNerd

    I could get onboard with that middle option.....

    but I'd like the ability to add things to it as options. (autopilot, cold weather, maybe air suspension, etc)

    But I'd be pretty happy if Tesla came anywhere near this.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    pmich80

    That's a pretty big jump for 35K to 60K.
    But that fact that Supercharging is including is great to hear if it's in fact true. The range of the battery for a 66kWh is impressive on this vehicle. I'd definitely go towards the middle option
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    Model 3
    It's been discussed here before. It is just some guess-spec, and completely off. TM3 will not get 220 miles EPA on a 44 kWh battery-pack :p
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    ModelNforNerd
    Maybe not in a single-motor config......

    honestly, I think they'll try to get to round numbers in the battery pack naming convention, so on this chart, expect maybe 45 or 50, and a 70?

    Will be exciting to finally find out.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    SureValla
    I like everything about the middle model except the lack of leather seats.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    MiamiNole
    No way. If you can get a dual-motor AND a bigger battery that adds 45% range for $9000, I would throw my bank account at Tesla so fast.....
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    SageBrush
    If 44 kWh was usable capacity and range was NEDC (at a very sedate 200 kWh/mile -- say 60 mph (100 kph),) the numbers sound about right.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    Fallenone
    Doesn't look like the font Tesla usually uses... and no mentioning of AP?
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    tga
  • Mar 22, 2016
    Fallenone
  • Mar 22, 2016
    tga
    Correct since the internal chargers are bypassed during DCFC (Chademo, Supercharging, or CCS - if an adapter were to be offered), adding dual chargers on the S (or high-current single charger on the X) doesn't effect DCFC times.

    If I lived in Canada and planned to use any of Sun Country Highway's high current L2 stations (many go up to 80A max delivered), I'd probably spring for the dual chargers on an S, 72 amp high current single charger on the X, or whatever may be offered on the 3.

    (The X doesn't offer dual chargers, instead the offer 2 single charger options - base @ 48A max, optional upgrade @ 72A max)
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    tga
    Yes, it was the author's guess as to what Tesla might do. Entirely speculative. I did not mean to imply there was any basis in fact to it.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    ModelNforNerd

    I'm hoping that Tesla, or really anyone...fills in what I call the "dark triangle" in Virginia, between Richmond, South Hill, and the Lexington SC. (In-laws live RIGHT in the middle of that triangle....)

    So until there's a reliable DCFC station in that area, I'll likely spring for a dual/upgraded charger in the Model 3, if it's offered.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    Doug_G
    Thanks. I was wondering where the heck it came from.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    Mad Hungarian
    Although many have taken issue with some of the assumptions used in the article - especially cell and pack size vs. range - I thought it overall to be a well thought-out exercise in what the car could be, especially given the utter vacuum of info when it was written almost a year ago.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    model3fan
    This thread depresses me a bit.

    My only add ons will likely be cold weather package, maybe pano roof, and maybe AP.

    All you guys adding all these options means even if I'm first in line on 31st at my local store on east coast, I'll be way at the end of the line.

    PS - I am assuming it will be standard to hookup with Android and iOS per Tesla planning to allow app mirroring from Android to center consoles. I think I'd rather have a mirror of my cell phone for Maps, Spotify, and Podcasts, rather than using Tesla's apps.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    wallet.dat
    The weight is what makes me call BS on that image in the OP.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    MiamiNole
    I was more or less pointing at those prices. Right now, there's an $18,000 difference between the S70 and S90D. Those prices are basically saying the cost of going to a bigger battery and dual motors will be halved by the time the Model 3 is released (granted different sized batteries). I'd MAYBE throw a bone at the battery cost being significantly decreased by the time the 3 rolls out. But half the cost for going to dual motors? Let's just say I'd be absolutely ECSTATIC if going to a Model 3xD only costs $2500...
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    MiamiNole
    Increasing the range seems to be a common choice for options people are looking for, so if bigger battery and going dual-motors affect the critical path of when you get your car delivered, prepare to be disappointed. :( For the record, my priorities are also pano roof and auto-pilot. But if those aforementioned range options go for the price mentioned in that picture, I'm not going to lie and say I wouldn't be compelled to add those options on too....
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    ELRev
    Chin up! Look at it this way.. The majority of people who own cars spend less than $35000 on a new car. According to Google, the average cost of a new car in the United States is $33,543. The Model 3 is meant as Tesla's first affordable car, targeting a much wider customer base than the Model S/X, or a Tesla forum. You're seeing a very skewed perspective of interest in the Model 3 from this group. The vast majority of people who reserve and purchase a Model 3 over the next 2+ years will not be spending $50k+ on their Model 3. And if Tesla manages to garner as much media attention as they hope to, plenty of orders from as-of-yet oblivious future members of the EV Revolution will fall behind yours because you paid attention and put yourself well ahead of the curve. Ordering yours ASAP on the 31st will still likely put you in front of the majority of eventual Model 3 owners. You may not have the first one on the road, but you'll still save yourself a whole lot of waiting!
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    Sp4rky
    Here's my well thought out options (all prices assuming 30% reduction from Model S, except Supercharger access which is a shot in the dark):

    Tesla Model 3 Configuration Costs

    Necessary for Tax Credit
    Battery Included PXXD
    Dual Motor Included
    Subtotal $ 23,100.00

    Nice to Have Options\May Be Necessary for Tax Credit
    Autopilot $ 1,750.00
    Premium Interior $ 2,100.00
    Smart Air Suspension $ 1,750.00
    Hi-Fi Sound $ 1,750.00
    Supercharger Access $ 1,750.00
    Subtotal $ 9,100.00

    Frilly
    Carbon Fiber Spoiler $ 700.00
    Silver Metallic Paint $ 700.00
    Pano Roof $ 1,050.00
    Subtotal $ 2,450.00

    Total for My Options $ 34,650.00
    Base Price of M3 $ 35,000.00

    Total Cost of My Model 3 $ 69,650.00

    I really don't care about wheels\leather. Can totally add those later IMHO.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    model3fan
    Thanks, hope you're right. I wish Tesla would work the pre order queues that employees and current model S/X owners get priority over everyone else IF they reserve by 31st. I'm afraid that current owners (and employees) who reserve over the next year+ will all get prioritized over me.

    And the whole west coast to east coast thing, if they fulfill employees, current S/X owners, higher spec'd cars, then lower spec'd cars all on west coast before moving on... god help me.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    amb3rgris
    I haven't posted my detailed option guess/preference, but range is pretty high on my list.
    This isn't because I'm worried about running out during my normal daily use, but rather looking at the longer-range trips I and my family like to take, and looking to be able to make that trip without stopping to charge.
    For example, from the CA Bay Area to San Luis Obispo is right around 200 miles. I'd like to be able to do that drive in one charge, and feel confident we'd have enough charge left to drive around a little bit and then park for charging.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    ELRev
    I would expect that the vast majority of current Tesla owners who want a Model 3 will order in the first week/month. I'd guess very few people will become new owners of a Model S/X in the next 1+ and THEN decide to reserve a higher-optioned Model 3 as well. That's two brand new cars in 2 years. Some small number of humans obviously live in that world. You and I, and the majority of others, do not. So the "current owner/employee" damage will be done on the front end. After that, you'll be primarily competing with people who learn, over the next year+, that the Model 3 even exists and that they can reserve one. If you get ahead of those people by reserving on Day 1, you'll be in pretty good shape.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    Sp4rky
    You also must not forget to configure your Model 3 as soon as you see that invitation to configure email hit your inbox. The sooner you configure, the sooner it puts you in front of the people still deciding on options. It would be a really good idea to figure out what you might want based on current Model S options now in my opinion.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    MiamiNole
    If options on the Model 3 go for even 30% of the Model S, I still would be extremely ecstatic!

    Doing some research on Model S options and pricing, I've created a prioritization list:

    Must-have:
    Auto-Pilot
    SC Access
    Pano Roof
    Next-Gen Seats

    Like to have:
    Dual-Motor
    Hi-Fi Sound

    Nice to have but not necessary:
    Red paint (the mini-Model S my wife got me for my birthday, shown in my avatar pic, sold me on going for red, haha)

    As far as going for a bigger battery, being located in Central Florida has me right at the cusp of the 200-mile expected range to get to most places I drive. My most frequent trips are to Miami, to the Tampa Bay area, and to the Space Coast for the beaches. I should be able to easily make a round trip to the east coast of Florida in one charge. Tampa Bay and back can be on one charge, depending on where in the area I am going, but if I do need a charge, there are currently SCs in Brandon and Turkey Lake which are right on the I-4 corridor between Tampa and Orlando. Miami is the wild-card as far as range goes. It's around 250 miles from Orlando to Miami. Upgrading the battery could get me there on one charge, however, there are 3 SCs in route to Miami so I'd always have my choice of stopping at any one of the three to get me there. Don't know if the small convenience of driving to Miami non-stop would be worth the price of getting a larger battery. I just noticed that Tallahassee now has a SC, so trips to FSU for a few games would also be easy (SCs in Ocala, Lake City, and Tallahassee). Any other road trip would be long enough to need to stop for charging regardless of range, so all and all a battery upgrade probably won't be worth it to me.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    Sp4rky
    I thought 20-30% reduction seems reasonable as the car is a 20% reduction in volume to the Model S. Should at least be a 20% reduction to pricing as well ;).
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    ELRev
    I agree with this for some things, like wheel size and leather seats, but I would almost argue the opposite for certain features like Autopilot. Who knows what "next gen Tesla technology" actually means, but I think it's reasonable to expect that there will be a heftier priced "Tech Package" option for the Model 3, as compared to the standard $2500 Autopilot option, especially if the Autopilot in the Model 3 is more advanced than that of the Model S/X.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    MiamiNole
    Has anyone actually disclosed how much some of the options actually cost Tesla to produce? I've read plenty of times that the Model S was an "early adopter" program to help fund the development and production of the Model 3, so a lot of the Model S was sold at a premium because those early adopters would be willing to pay it to have first access to that technology. If you add that factor plus the economy of scale to the Model 3's options, I'd expect there to be some decrease in cost for most of the options.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    pmich80

    To get a better idea, how much faster of a charge does CHADEMO charging offer compared to a dual charger vs. a single charger. Using let's say a 60kWh battery.

    Theoretically a dual charger should increase the car from 40A to 80A charging ability? I'm trying to figure out the math
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    model3fan
    Thanks again for the positive outlook! Have a good day!
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    model3fan

    Thanks for this tip. Good thought. I wonder when the time comes how close I'll be with the incentives. Can't wait until the madness starts over the next year following everything.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    tga
    An 85kwh (don't know the numbers for 60) will fully charge in ~8-9 hrs @ 40A (10kW), and roughly half that at 80A (20kW).

    Bj�rn Nyland has video comparing charge times of Chademo, a 60kwh Supercharging, and an 85kwh Supercharging:



    It looks like it takes just under 2 hours (1:45) for the battery to charge from 68km (16%) to 381km (90%) on a Chademo station, with a peak charge rate of 44kW

    One thing to keep in mind (this can be kind of confusing) - the rate of charge (measured in kW = Volts * Amps) isn't completely linear throughout a session. The battery can accept high charge rates when empty, but charging slows as it fills.

    When L2 charging (40A/80A), the power delivery in kW is low enough that the battery can take the full 20kW (240V*20A) up to around 99% state of charge (SOC).

    The two batteries supercharge at different rates because they can take different max charge rates, and are thus the determining factor (the Supercharger is capable of delivering more current than either can handle once the battery's state of charge starts to build, so the Supercharger has to ramp down to prevent overloading the battery). The Chademo's max power is low enough that the battery can accept its full output until around 75% SOC.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    T-Will
    Autopilot is the one must-have for me. Everything else is just a cherry on top. :)
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    ELRev
    I don't have the answer to your question, but I did read somewhere on here today that Tesla sells Model Ses at something like a 25% margin, which is particularly high. That opportunity was/is likely fueled by your point that customers in that financial bracket are willing to pay more to be early adopters. With the Model 3, it's logical to assume margins would be lower, which will further help Tesla cut costs to the consumer. Where, specifically, we see that manifest itself, I have no idea.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    Sp4rky
    Yeah, I think certain numbers are going to be more and less for the vehicle. I can't see some options (like Hi-Fi sound) being only 30% less than the Model S pricing. I just have the sneaking suspicion that the fully-loaded Model 3 is going to come out to roughly the same cost as a current base Model S. Not to mention the S is due for a price increase shortly. Seems like Tesla might be looking to put a small gap in between Model 3 and Model S pricing.

    I feel like the Model S\X will now be Tesla's showcase cars packed with the latest and greatest technology and materials. They'll eventually trickle down to the Model 3\Y in time.
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