Feb 5, 2016
pmadflyer You do know that's a picture of Model X, right?�
Feb 6, 2016
Trev Page I'm on vacation at the moment and my rental car is a 2015 Toyota Prius. It's been a long time since I've driven a sedan with a low ceiling but I have to say, visibility out the front is horrible. The windshield ends too soon as the cross brace hinders my vision and I can't always see the street signals overhead. Given Model X I'd like to see that windshield size on Model 3. I'd gladly give up the sunroof for that!!�
Feb 6, 2016
S3XY That was my immediate reaction as well. So I doubt it's a sketch of the Model 3.�
Feb 6, 2016
eAdopter I agree. It's likely the final production car details will be different from this Tesla concept drawing. The overall scale and size should be about the same. The Model 3 seems to combine elements from both the S and the X. It's difficult to tell from the drawing, but it looks like the rear will open like an S. I like it.�
Feb 6, 2016
stopcrazypp Nice job trying to throw smoke and mirrors. This is a concept drawing of the Model X from 2012:
http://www.parismatch.com/Vivre/Automobile/Tesla-Model-X-le-SUV-qui-a-du-jus-443041
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Feb 6, 2016
JRP3 Nice catch Stop. So...eAdopter, you've got some splanin to do...�
Feb 6, 2016
Lonnie123 Elon should start the presentation by only showing a photo just to troll everyone... Then roll out the car after.
I predict a car like normal, and then "promo shots" like what you see on the model S/X pages officially released on the website is what he meant when he said that�
Feb 6, 2016
Sudre Where's the like button. I'd go as far as Elon going on for 5 minutes with a boring slide show! LOL�
Feb 6, 2016
Red Sage Sudre: Well, actually... If you go back to the Model X Reveal in 2012...�
Feb 6, 2016
eAdopter People realize pmadflyer pointed that out yesterday, right?
This thread is full of almost nothing but speculation. It's good entertainment, but try not to take things so seriously.�
Feb 6, 2016
JRP3 Of course, Stop just provided proof.
You made a statement that the unclear drawing you posted was "a smaller version of the Model S", which it was not.�
Feb 9, 2016
stealthology TeslaMundo on the Model 3 Reveal:
When MPG becomes MEH | TeslaMondo
Yesterday, Tesla told Bloomberg to expect a "really great update" late next month regarding Model 3.
Really great update? Why can't you just say you're going to unveil it like you did in previous shareholder letters? Tesla trying to mess with us? :/
Edit: here is a Road & Track article from 2/2. R&T reached out for clarification on this stupid 'pictures' thing and were told by Tesla to expect an update in a week or two (presumably earnings call). Why so secret, Tesla? Why not call it an unveil?
Tesla's Model 3 Reveal Next Month Won't Show the Whole Car�
Feb 10, 2016
Model 3 Or is it some click-baiting journalists that is trying to mess with us?�
Feb 10, 2016
Mark Z The benefit is the free advertisement Tesla Motors receives with the "photo only" news stories circulating around.
If only photos and drawings are shown, perhaps some potential buyers of Model 3 will switch to what they can see: Model S and Model X.�
Feb 10, 2016
lango If they are not going to show the car then they can't take reservations. Better to delay it then I think. There is too much vague stuff going on now that assuming with 100% probability there will be a real car at the unveil is hard to do.�
Feb 10, 2016
WarpedOne FUD.�
Feb 10, 2016
lango Not really as the vagueness comes from Tesla. The thread starter yes, but now there has been other vague statements.�
Feb 10, 2016
Model 3 No, it does not. The "vagueness" comes from journalists that quote an answer Elon gave in a meeting, but "forgot" to quote what the question was. When you know the question then the answer is in no way vague. Yes, they will show a car - not only pictures. And the first pictures of the car will be from the unveiling - as Elon did say. The car they will be showing is a alpha prototype, not a vague "concept" car. But it will be some differences between the prototype and the production version.
Anything else is at this moment just FUD and pointless speculations.
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Feb 10, 2016
JRP3 Well this is pretty vague:
I think a reasonable person would have expected her to say something like "Everyone is going to see it at the end of March." Talk about it? Really great update?�
Feb 10, 2016
roblab You are too funny. I put down $40,000 on a Tesla no one had seen, three and a half years before it was delivered. So did a lot of other people. You CAN take reservations. And the company was a lot less sure at that time than it is now.
All the people out there now that have no faith, no hope, want to see Tesla fail, they won't take out a reservation until they can drive the car for themselves. Or maybe not until they see it on a franchised dealer's lot. It must be like it always was for the last hundred years.
Fear. Uncertainty. Doubt.�
Feb 10, 2016
MiamiNole Heh, was trying to figure out what FUD meant and looked it up. "Fear, uncertainty, and doubt". I was actually thinking it meant more along the lines of "****ed Up Diatribe"!�
Feb 10, 2016
Krugerrand It's only vague if a person wants to hear something other than want was said. Here are the very specific facts:
1) The Model 3 is on time
2) Everyone is going to learn more about it (Model 3) at the end of March
3) That's when (at the end of March) they (Tesla) are committed to talking about it (Model 3)
4) At that time (end of March when Tesla are committed to talking about the Model 3) there will be a really great update
5) That's what (2-4) they (Tesla) are going to do
So yeah, not vague at all.
This is what vague would sound like: Well, the Model 3 might be a bit late but maybe not. We haven't decided on a firm schedule for it. Probably we'll talk about it at the end of March or beginning of April, or in December. At that time we're thinking about talking about it, but we might not depending on the weather. We're also thinking about talking about a really great update, but we aren't sure it'll be ready to be discussed. We'll have to wait and see how much progress the engineers make in the meantime.�
Feb 10, 2016
JRP3 If you think 2-4 are specific we have a different interpretation of the word. They may be just playing with the media, but they are well aware that people have been expecting to see an actual vehicle, and they are well aware that there is speculation that a vehicle may not be shown. She could have cleared that up, yet she did not, and she carefully chose words that avoided clearing it up.�
Feb 10, 2016
Model 3 No, I don't think so. At the unveiling they will show us the car (prototype) and talk about it. Until then they have a hard time to try not to unintentionally gives any leeks, so this is just as vague that they need to be (to still hold on to their jobs). Yes, she could choose to say "see", but what the point? We know that we will see the prototype then...�
Feb 10, 2016
JRP3 The wording suggests to me an intentional way to avoid confirming an actual vehicle will be produced. I find the phrasing odd, but of course I could be misinterpreting.�
Feb 10, 2016
Krugerrand I defined vague in my post by giving an example of what the statement would look like if vague.
Of course Tesla is playing and they are also keeping true to their word of 'keeping their cards closer to their chest'. Not sure how long it's going to take people to understand that even though it's been quite some time (over a year?) since Elon straight up told everyone that loose lips sink ships at Tesla.�
Feb 10, 2016
stopcrazypp I think Tesla is being secretive about the event just to control information. Basically all they officially let out is that there will be an unveiling event at end of March and that is about it. They aren't going to say anything other than that.
I don't think we will actually see "the car" (as in the production version), but rather prototypes (as in previous first unveiling).�
Feb 10, 2016
gregincal I agree. It suggests to me an intentional way to keep people speculating and discussing Tesla to build up excitement for the reveal.�
Feb 10, 2016
Red Sage It amazes me that so many of you are certain that Elon Musk has hired Pinocchio as legal counsel.
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Feb 10, 2016
JRP3 This is what I've always expected as well.�
Feb 10, 2016
JRP3 From the shareholder letter just released
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Feb 10, 2016
vinnie97 Oh, nice. Specificity. We can finally drop the range countdown.�
Feb 10, 2016
Lonnie123 I think the "update" will be some news about how the car is not just a smaller current-gen Model S, but is coming with some new tech or something. New battery tech, will be available with new AP hardware, etc...�
Feb 10, 2016
nikolai Elon, just stated in the conference call that they haven't decided if there will be a full car at the reveal or not. Color me surprised.�
Feb 10, 2016
ratsbew I interpret this as maybe they don't have the demo car made yet and it's 50/50 on if they can produce it in time or not.�
Feb 10, 2016
bigbear Son of a bitch...�
Feb 10, 2016
techmaven No, he didn't. He said they didn't want to show all their cards yet, ahead of the event.�
Feb 10, 2016
Bimbels I agree - that's all I heard and I listened to the whole thing. But maybe I missed it...�
Feb 10, 2016
Snow Drift +1 Elon has not said they won't show a concept car (clay or driveable like the MX).
They aren't sure how much to show, but that doesn't necessarily mean picture vs physical. I believe they are unsure of what features or cutting edge ideas to unveil so soon. I doubt they will have an event to just show a picture.
Didn't some of the Referral Program winners get invitations to the M3 event? It has to be more exciting than a picture.�
Feb 10, 2016
S3XY There will be a prototype there but they still have to decide which features they will reveal. I'm sure many are still under development and they don't know yet which can be incorporated before they have to finalize the design.�
Feb 10, 2016
ratsbew Elon said the biggest lesson they learned from the Model X was not to have too many new features in one product. That is what delayed the X so much.
Exactly. At the X event, there were tons of details that weren't shown.�
Feb 10, 2016
Snow Drift i don't mean anything crazy, but as compared to the Bolt, Leaf and other competitors. Plus tech capability inside or something that makes it different. They are concerned about showing the world something.�
Feb 10, 2016
stopcrazypp I think the Model 3 unveiling might be closer to the original S unveiling than the Model X one. The Model X one unveiled a lot more (and was a lot closer to a production version) than the S. I think Elon is saying it'll be more like the S (where you see how inside and outside will basically look, but some features might not be announced yet).�
Feb 11, 2016
nikolai
Edit: I can see how it can be interpreted that he wasn't talking about having a car or not. He may only be answering the second portion of the question.�
Feb 11, 2016
Snow Drift Agreed. It's a matter of content to show, not picture vs physical car.
<---- PS. Go Broncos!�
Feb 18, 2016
Jhsq To maintain the hype makes sense for the company to withhold some of the innovative features:
+ Musk's quote didn't mean the car itself would not be shown. Tesla's strength relies in IT among other things
+ My guess goes for some of the software related features could postponed until late 2016, these could be:
1) Tesla car sharing software/tech 2) Autopilot 2.0 full capabilities (it will have the sensors for sure but the software is not ready yet) 3) Actual range of the vehicle (it will be 200+ but how much more?)�
Feb 18, 2016
pmadflyer I really hope he gives a range figure. That's what everyone needs to know.�
Feb 18, 2016
Model 3 Agree. But they may give it just for the base battery, and say "There will also be an option for a bigger battery with even more range". But yes, they need to tell us what to expect of a minimum range, will it be ~208 like in the 60? ~240 as in the 70D? More? Less?�
Feb 18, 2016
Reeler I predict a clay model or early prototype that is close to the ultimate configuration and not auto-show BS. He will give range and state whether it is single or dual motor. They will show the interior enough to confirm it is 5 seat configuration and has a 15" display, with cup holders and a center console.
For more, he will wait for the Leaf reveal. The car will look cooler than the Bolt (not difficult) and better than anything Nissan is likely to come up with. After the Leaf reveal, Chevy and Nissan will have their configurations set in stone so that Tesla can finalize initial specs.�
Feb 18, 2016
McHoffa They showed off the Model X in full form inside and out (though not final design) almost 3 full years before launch. I would think they will show a full Model 3 even if the design isn't finalized since it's supposed to ship in only ~18 months.�
Feb 18, 2016
Reeler If they were on schedule, I would agree with that. Sadly, I think my next EV purchase will be a Bolt. I can drive that for a couple years while I wait for my Model 3 reservation to ripen. I will probably cancel the order if the $7500 tax rebate is exhausted.�
Feb 18, 2016
Bimbels As of now they are on schedule - where do you see they are not?�
Feb 18, 2016
S3XY Cue the tired references to the MS and MX releases...�
Feb 18, 2016
Gizmotoy The chances of being able to sit on a Model 3 reservation for several years and receive the $7500 federal rebate and essentially zero. If it launches on time, maybe some of the first model year will be eligible due to the delay imposed by quarter alignment and then the taper. If it launches late, perhaps none will be eligible.�
Feb 18, 2016
Reeler If they don't have a working prototype at the reveal, they are behind schedule. I think the delay in the Model X, including the two months mine has been built and waiting at the factory for them to fix bugs, pushed the Model 3. I think we will see clay models or renderings at the reveal and no car company can go from that to deliveries in 18 months. Certainly not Tesla.
Heck, Model X Founders Editions were out in September and I am still waiting for my FbR one some 5 months later. Stop sipping the Kool-Aid for a moment and know that we will not see a Model 3 delivered in 18 months.�
Feb 18, 2016
Model 3 http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/02/13/stop-assuming-teslas-model-3-will-be-late.aspx
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Feb 18, 2016
gregincal Your argument is circular. They won't have a working prototype at the reveal because they are behind schedule. They are behind schedule because they won't have a working prototype at the reveal.
How about this. They are on schedule as they have repeatedly said and therefore they will have a working prototype at the reveal.�
Feb 18, 2016
Reeler Exactly. I have two tickets for the reveal. If I see a working prototype ther, I agree that they may presently be on schedule.�
Feb 18, 2016
Bimbels While not drinking kool-aid, I would be shocked if they botched such an important reveal by not showing an actual car. Even if that car is a concept and not the final product.
Please post pics/vids from the reveal! I think it will be a very exciting event.�
Feb 18, 2016
Breezy They will show an actual, physical car in March. Elon answered a specific question about pictures with a specific answer about pictures.�
Feb 18, 2016
igotzzoom I have vacillated between buying a Bolt and waiting for a Model 3. Now I'm leaning toward the latter. My wife's car will be paid off around December '16, and my car has been paid off for about 18 months. It will probably have about 80,000 miles on it by the time the Model 3 comes out, but I don't doubt it will last that long. Fortunately, I'm not in a situation where my current car has 200,000+ miles and I need a new car immediately. If it's delivered around Q1 2018, that's fine with me.�
Feb 18, 2016
Snow Drift Agreed. Elon's logical response was too specific and is causing confusion. Then saying that they aren't sure how much to give away in March is also annoying.�
Feb 18, 2016
cinergi I honestly didn't expect to even see a prototype at the end of March. Some specs and renderings is what I've always expected.�
Feb 18, 2016
Twiglett it only causes problems here when we micro-analyze his statements.
Then the press reads the forums and it becomes "fact".
Then the forums discusses the "facts" as though they are FACTS :crying:
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I'm expecting driving prototypes just like the other model releases�
Feb 18, 2016
S3XY We need to find out the name of the person who asked the question that way and run him over with a Bolt.�
Feb 18, 2016
Bimbels He was French. It was at the event in Chambourcy. Personally I think it was a case of "lost in translation." The reveal for the french will be in "pictures" - either by way of streaming or press releases or articles. The person asking wasn't literally going to see the physical car. He was going to see pictures of the car. Which might be why he asked it that way. And Elon answered the question he asked literally.
Definitely way too much analyzing.�
Feb 18, 2016
S3XY Of course I was kidding and the real problem is everyone reading into every word Elon says. But then again, if he never asked the question that way...�
Feb 18, 2016
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Feb 18, 2016
Bimbels HA! Classic. And exactly.
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Feb 18, 2016
MTN Ranger Sneak peak of Model ? reveal next month:
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Feb 19, 2016
Reeler That image is from 2009. Elon's kids are much older now.�
Feb 19, 2016
Trev Page Posed picture but it's cute.�
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