Oct 2, 2011
Tempus Didnt see an apropriate thread, so i figured id start one.
I chatted with one of the tesla app developers after my test ride, and he had some interesting comments.
On 3g/4g. Right now its 3g. Elon wants 4g but they arent sure they can do it for launch. He also said that if they did launch with 3g, it would be unlikely they could upgrade to 4g through a software update. Apparently its more the hardware involved would be the issue. They are aware that this is a pretty significant potential issue (can being obselete in connection speed quickly) but didnt have a good answer. One option would be to use your cell phone as the source and tether the car to it, but he didnt like that option particularly....called it clunky.
Screen resolution. 1900 x 1200
He also showd a few of is the iphone app they are working on. Seemed pretty slick. Basically anything you can do from the console, you could potentially do on a phone app.
3g. Basic connectivity for diagnostic purchases would be included, but low bandwidth. There would be an option (likely for a yearly cost) for better connectivity.
Nav. Turn by turn nav would be another of those options. Btw, he said its not using google nav for that. The google maps we saw were more of an overview of where the car was, but they would be using something else for turn by turn.
console. I didnt notice any perceptible tilt from the passenger seat. Sceen was easily readable/reachable.
Thats it offhand. Im sure ill remember more later.�
Oct 2, 2011
gg_got_a_tesla Thanks, *Tempus*! 3G's already obsolete in a way. Given the number of 4G LTE smartphones shipping already, I don't know why Tesla shouldn't be able to put the 4G radio in there straight off the bat, 9 months from now, whether it's used rightaway or not. Yup, no s/w-only update for that; you'd need the actual radio h/w.�
Oct 2, 2011
widodh You will also be able to control everything in the car with that centre screen. You can open and close the panoramic roof (optional) with just a slider on the touchscreen.
Listen to internet radio, browse the web, all possible.�
Oct 2, 2011
AnOutsider I don't mind 3G, sprints evdo is pretty good. I asked about apps, and he said there will likely be apps professionally developed and available for download, but no public SDK for obvious reasons�
Oct 2, 2011
vfx Asked Franz about ACC cruise control. Probably will not be on initial release. Will come later. He said that older Model S' would not be incompatible to it.
I asked our driver if there would be adjustable regen. It appears it has not been implemented. I just watched my footage and I don't think he understood or answered my or Jim's question asking if it would be included.�
Oct 2, 2011
shark2k I hope they will make apps for Android also (probably should). But I also hope that they do not take longer to release the Android app because they are focusing on the iPhone.
-Shark2k�
Oct 2, 2011
JRod0802 Below is an interview of Elon Musk. At 5:20 he says the following:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvNEzfiL4_0�
Oct 2, 2011
JimmWilks Great to know they're definitely thinking about it. Although it obviously isn't necessary, I think it's something that is really useful for motorway/highway/A-road driving, and seeing as the new Ford Focus has it...Why not you're 50-80k luxury sedan...�
Oct 2, 2011
NigelM I asked how they would manage the data package and Tesla has not yet decided. They are considering provide for free (a la Amazon Whispernet), or you buy your own data package, or tether to your phone, or maybe a.n.other option.�
Oct 2, 2011
cinergi I heard from two different engineers that it's in the engineering cars but not slated for production. It is, however, just a UI add/change should they want to put it there. They've heard this request a lot, and I'm sure have debated it a lot. We should inquire why they wouldn't want it there -- curious to understand the reasoning.�
Oct 2, 2011
NigelM Couple of shots of the touchscreen designs:
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Oct 2, 2011
cinergi Here are shots of all the transitions on the video screen.
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Oct 2, 2011
Citizen-T I wouldn't be surprised if we see more change from the Touchscreen software than anything else between now and production. Speaking from experience as a software engineer, 9 months is a ton of time to get a lot of new features and refinement in and still adequately test.
I'm really excited to see what all becomes of this piece.�
Oct 2, 2011
Doug_G I hope they are thinking about security...
Hopefully the car will have a SIM card slot.�
Oct 2, 2011
Doug_G I remember thinking it interesting that there is a control for daytime running lights. I guess it makes sense to offer it as an option, although I wonder how many Americans would use it? Here in Canada that control would have to be locked on.�
Oct 2, 2011
cinergi They specifically said they're still working on that.�
Oct 2, 2011
AnOutsider Especially since its software that can easily be updated OTA�
Oct 2, 2011
cinergi I'd leave the halo lights on 'cuz they're so pretty! :smile: Does that count for DRL or do the actual HIDs need to be on, too?�
Oct 2, 2011
AnOutsider My last 4 cars have had DRLs, I'm really used to them. I know some hate them, but when they're done right (and sexy like on the S) how can you not love it?�
Oct 2, 2011
AnOutsider Just like audis have the led strips as DRLs, I think it'll be the same here. HIDs only on at night (or manual)�
Oct 2, 2011
Doug_G Depends on local regulations. In Canada they have to be brighter than parking lights, but don't have to be full brightness. I believe the regulations require them to be within a certain brightness range (min and max).
Apparently the USA rules are similar to Canada, but they are allowed rather than mandated.
In the early days it was fairly common for the high beams to operate at lower voltage, by putting the bulbs in series. Some cars actually use the turn signals, except of course when you are signalling turns (I think that has largely fell out of favor). Some cars have a separate bulb for the purpose.
It looks like my Infiniti G37 turns on the low beam HIDs.
The Roadster uses the low beam headlights. Basically you can't turn them off without powering down the car.
I suspect the halo lights would qualify. Hopefully!�
Oct 2, 2011
Arnold Panz I didn't see this mentioned -- in my discussion with someone in the lounge, he said that Google Maps will be standard, but Tesla is creating their own app for Nav that will be on the dash and very easy to see and use. It will be an upgrade, but standard for Sigs. Also he said that they're creating an app in house to allow you to heat/cool the car from anywhere prior to getting in so it's temp controlled. Kind of like the VW Star Wars ad. Generally, he said that they're working on lots of customized in house apps for the car, and have plenty of time before production begins to come up with a bunch more.�
Oct 2, 2011
vfx One of the guys I was talking to at the exploded cars whipped out his Iphone saying he could check on one of the cars doing drives. He did not bring the app up citing some excuse and I did not push it thinking it was on the no-show list. Later I heard (here?) that some saw it at the end of their tour.
Anyone get shots of it?�
Oct 2, 2011
Citizen-T This guy seemed to get some good info out of the engineers.
Will the Tesla Model S be the Next Great Mobile Apps Platform? | ZDNet�
Oct 3, 2011
vfx
This video has a screen at the end showing a battery car illustration of energy.�
Oct 3, 2011
ryanjm This seems like the right thread to ask this, as I remembered it on my way home and yelled at myself for not remembering to ask it at the event:
Did anyone find out if the car will have a Homelink/garage door opening system integrated into it? It might seem like a no-brainer, but I haven't seen or heard any mention of it...�
Oct 3, 2011
cinergi I saw a short demo of it. I'm pretty sure Petefish saw a longer demo than I did. I was not allowed to take photos.
For a test app, it looked neat and was pretty functional. Very cool stuff in there -- including charge monitoring and notification, where the car is, temperatures, cabin control, etc.�
Oct 3, 2011
W.Petefish I didn't ask. (unfortunately) I did see a longer demo because I went twice to ride. (waited until they were winding down and doing the last few rides.)�
Oct 3, 2011
Tempus i also saw a demo of that after my ride. The guy i was talking to had it on his iphone as well. He showed us one of the test drive cars as it was driving, and he could see the internal temperature, etc... with a way to set the temp, etc... we also saw a mockup of another capability that they were working on, but hadn't implemented yet. It was a view of what parts of the car were using how much power. ie, you're losing x amount from the HVAC, and so much from the motor, etc.. That was very interesting as well. That UI developer was just a mine of information. That mockup was a pic he pulled out of his email that they were working on internally.�
Oct 3, 2011
AnOutsider I didn't, but even if it isn't on the visor or mirror, that huge 17" screen could house a plethora of buttons, so we may end up with an extremely customizable and digital version�
Oct 3, 2011
TEG I asked them about the concern that a Google Maps based nav might not work if you got out of 3G/4G wireless range.
He said for those that need nav outside of coverage areas they would likely need the add-on nav option which would be a car GPS nav instead of depending on Internet access.
By the way, someone said that they are using AT&T 3G for now, but the wireless device is modular so they can swap it out for something different later.�
Oct 3, 2011
Citizen-T If it is anything like the Android Google Maps Navigation, it caches a ton of data locally in case you venture out of range of the interdatz. In practice, I lose my satellite signal often enough, but I've never lost my maps.�
Oct 3, 2011
NigelM I asked. Yes, it will.�
Oct 3, 2011
dsm363 I asked the person holding their phone if I could take pictures and if it was ok to post them and they said yes. Put them here
Model S iPhone/mobile phone app�
Oct 3, 2011
dsm363 I spoke with one of the engineers in the VIP tent and he seemed to indicate that the navigation system would have map data also stored on internal memory as well.�
Oct 3, 2011
gg_got_a_tesla Yeah, I heard something similar from this 7-footer (!) employee in the tent but, he was unsure about their exact approach yet. Whether they'll have a true offline GPS nav system as a backup, or will go with some cached data approach... He said that the internal storage would be about 8GB on an SD card rather than an SSD as some folks on the web have been speculating but, 4GB of it will be taken up by the car's own internal software so, it's touch-and-go to use the rest of it for map data.�
Oct 3, 2011
dsm363 Memory is so cheap now I would think a 32 GB of flash memory in a car this expensive shouldn't be an issue. I guess in a car with thousands of parts though it all adds up.�
Oct 3, 2011
tdelta1000 I actually like the layout myself but there will be changes for sure. Another thing not mentioned thus far is an owners manual. Will it be integrated into the infotainment system or will it come in paper format?�
Oct 3, 2011
gg_got_a_tesla Save paper, save trees, I'd say. The screen's perfect for reading the manual - it could be made interactive or static (pdf).�
Oct 3, 2011
AnOutsider PDF would work, but I'd think something more interactive would work better in-car, and a PDF version to check out on their website.�
Oct 3, 2011
NigelM The only times I've used my Roadster manual I was sitting in the car with the manual in one hand and pressing buttons on the screen with the other. Making it an in-car app or pdf would make actually using it pretty difficult.�
Oct 3, 2011
ryanjm Thanks Nigel. I figured Homelink would be in there, but getting confirmation is a relief.�
Oct 3, 2011
NigelM Here's the touchscreen header bar:
And the lower section:
And the dash:
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Oct 3, 2011
tnawara This may have been mentioned in another thread, but it was good to see the visual confirmation of heated front seat controls in the control bar. Here in the Chicago area heated seats are close to a necessity.�
Oct 3, 2011
tnawara @NigelM I just saw in your shots of the control panels (thanks, BTW) that there are some fingerprint smudges on the screen. It's very minor in the photos, but I could see it becoming a significant annoyance after a while if the smudges started to add up. Did anyone who attended the event notice if this was a problem on the betas' screens? I wonder if Tesla will be using an oleophobic coating on the screen like iPhones do.�
Oct 3, 2011
Mycroft No problem. Just keep a microfiber cloth in the glove box to wipe it down occasionally.�
Oct 3, 2011
tnawara Agreed on the microfiber cloth. For comparison, the (relatively) small screen on our family truckster (Ford Flex) gathers smudges pretty easily, but hides it well. I just wipe it down occasionally. For the Model S's 17" screen, particularly with it being the primary input device, I think the wipe down will have to happen more than occasionally.�
Oct 3, 2011
gg_got_a_tesla I wonder if it makes sense for Tesla to provide a pull-down screen cover of some sort to protect the screen from dust or whatever else when not in use? Almost like the iPad 2 smart cover. Also, for those getting the pano roof, the sun could hit the screen long enough and hard enough to get the glass screen cooking soon - I've seen my iPad complain very quickly in direct sun that "it has gotten too hot for iPad to operate" or some such thing referring to itself in the third person
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Oct 4, 2011
mnx I'm hoping for a heated steerling wheel (at least as an option). It makes driving in cold weather enjoyable!�
Oct 4, 2011
cinergi Sort of related ... I heard from an employee at Santana Row about the intent to make the car smart and learn your habits. E.g. it studies what time you normally get in the car (say, for your commute) and make sure the cabin and the rest of the car is as ready to go as possible when that time arrives. There's a lot of energy going into innovating in this area -- imagine the possibilities!�
Oct 4, 2011
WhiteKnight http://youtu.be/DZaaDSKkagA
(I tried embedding the video but could not figure it out)
Autoblog has a very revealing video on the Infotainment Center + Apps.
Turns out the screen IS multi-touch after all.�
Oct 4, 2011
W.Petefish I'd bet that the storage on the Model S uses a SSD. I ran into a video saying that the center was a nvidia tigra. Maybe they have something like a 256gb SSD back there.�
Oct 4, 2011
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Oct 4, 2011
tdelta1000 The 3G will most likely migrate into 4G or 4G LTE given that the Model S is in the Beta phase. As for the App, is only a matter of time because both the Volt and Leaf were getting the same.�
Oct 4, 2011
W.Petefish 4G requires a different radio and software. The 4G radio is also not supported in as many locals as 3G. Look on Clear's coverage map for all of the 4G access locations or at least theirs and sprint's.�
Oct 4, 2011
Tempus my original point about the 3g was that it CURRENTLY has 3G, and the UI guy i talked to said Elon wants 4G, but he personally wasn't sure they'd get it done in time for release. And then updating afterwards is problematical.�
Oct 4, 2011
Lloyd Yes, but the 4G reverts to 3G when the 4 is not available correct?�
Oct 4, 2011
gg_got_a_tesla Only if you have both radio h/w bits in there. Completely different technologies.�
Oct 4, 2011
W.Petefish It still needs that separate radio, unless they come up with a dual band cell transceiver in that short of a time frame.
My phone is an HTC Evo 4G. It has two radios for the cell connection, 3G and 4G.�
Oct 5, 2011
NigelM On a more mundane level, did anyone see/hear where the phone/iPod socket is? I believe I heard no dvd/cd drive also?�
Oct 5, 2011
WhiteKnight They said there would be FOUR USB ports. At least 1 would connect to the stereo I'm sure. Probably at least 2 in the console between the seats.�
Oct 5, 2011
NigelM One in the back perhaps?�
Oct 5, 2011
AnOutsider I heard no optical slots as well Nigel
Hopefully with lower priority. I don't want some back seat driver sticking their thumbdrive in and overriding my tunes�
Oct 5, 2011
NigelM I was thinking, phone or game charging via USB for back seat passengers.�
Oct 5, 2011
Kipernicus If it's really cold out (and say you want to save range by not using the heater), will you need those special gloves that work with iphone touchscreens?�
Oct 5, 2011
WhiteKnight Screen is supposed to be Infrared instead of Touch-Capacitive and therefore it should work with gloves. Tesla picked IR for the exact reason you outline.�
Oct 5, 2011
Tempus Turn the heat up with your iphone before you get in the car�
Oct 5, 2011
Todd Burch I read here somewhere that the screen is currently infrared but they're working on capacitive.
Speaking of which...whatever happened to the haptic feedback the screen was supposed to have? Has that been scrapped?�
Oct 5, 2011
AnOutsider When I asked during the ride I was just told they tried to do that but it didn't work out so well in tests. No indication of if they're still trying or not though.�
Oct 5, 2011
TEG I was more or less told that they gave up on it.�
Oct 5, 2011
Lloyd What type of feedback were they giving? Vibration as in phones, or a small electric shock? It is an EV!!�
Oct 5, 2011
doug At least a year ago they seemed to be backing away from the haptic feedback.�
Oct 6, 2011
vfx Funny enough it was kind of a surprise for early Roadster buyers way back when. They almost never mentioned it in specs or press.�
Oct 6, 2011
SByer For a 17" display you definitely want something better than IR. IR isn't as accurate or responsive, and can't handle multi-touch properly (zoom in on maps), and is likely to mis-read in bright daylight. But IR is better than pressure. No, there aren't dual systems yet AFAIK. Note that all the top-end portable GPS units are now capacitive.�
Oct 6, 2011
vfx The Autoblog video says something I have been asking for years. Estimated time to end of charge. On the app. Cool!�
Oct 7, 2011
EV_de anyone noticed that the center console show's it's plugged in (top left) while driving?
should'n it run on Battery ?�
Oct 7, 2011
shark2k Not sure if this is where you read it but 2nd paragraph under the 2nd video here: Tesla Model S test ride and factory tour (video) -- Engadget mentions that.
-Shark2k�
Oct 25, 2011
SByer They perhaps chose too early then?�
Oct 25, 2011
tnawara Very cool. But it looks like the new panels are only available up to 8" - a far cry from the 17" needed.�
Oct 26, 2011
W.Petefish I was told that the screens are still in diagnostic mode. That might Have something to do with it.�
Oct 26, 2011
vfx Maybe the indicator "lights up".�
Dec 10, 2011
TEG Somewhat related:
Renault Opens Up the 'Car as Platform' - Tech Europe - WSJ�
Dec 11, 2011
Robert.Boston A 7" diagonal screen is so little real estate, though. Tesla's 17" is about 6x bigger and therefore opens up very different opportunities.�
Dec 11, 2011
EVNow True - but I think most of the real estate will go into making the text & graphics more legible in S. Afterall they do a lot of things in that 4" smartphone.�
Mar 30, 2012
vfx Not sure what thread this would go in.
While driving on the freeway yesterday and my GPS was telling me which road to take I wanted it to take me on the HOV adorned freeways.
I want my GPS EV Maps route finder Google maps to show and use the EV friendly HOV as part of route calculation.
An App?�
Sep 12, 2013
sublimaze1 
a few of my choices as apps to be supported�
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