Oct 15, 2015
Matias Europe and Asia are pending regulatory approval which will "hopefully" happen in next few weeks.
Dang!!
Does anybody know about this? Why we need some regulatory approval?�
Oct 15, 2015
JFoX Maybe because of some nanny-states in Europe wanting Tesla to implement a nanny-mode Autopilot...
I hope it will not end with a funless, Europe-only, under-competitive version of the AP.
If I have to hold the steering wheel, more than half of the appeal is gone.�
Oct 15, 2015
tally He said its about a week out. Hopefully regulatory approval sometimes next week.�
Oct 15, 2015
frosken Aww man! I had my hopes up!
It's like being 8 y.o. and on the evening before christmas getting told "Sorry, the calendar was wrong! Welp, hopefully you can open some presents next week!"
You freedom folks better post lots of photos, videos and writeups as you recieve the update!�
Oct 15, 2015
TonyOrr yep! What he said! Haven't we waited enough already!?! Another let down given Elon only said last week that it was rolling out Worldwide today. Fingers crossed we don't have to wait too long.�
Oct 15, 2015
Lerxt Huh? Did I actually read a complaint blaming Tesla having to wait for UK regulatory approval?�
Oct 15, 2015
Torpedo Ted But Elon specifically said that it would be released this Thursday WORLDWIDE (not only North America). Pretty disappointing that that isn't the case...
Also, needing "Regulatory approval" sounds like nonsense. I really doubt an "approval" is necessary for this stage of autonomous driving. And if it was, why wouldn't they get the approval before releasing?�
Oct 15, 2015
bylund This makes no sense. What kind of regulatory approval would that be?
I doubt an new certificate of conformity is needed, then they would need that for each update.
And if there were law changes required it would take years, not weeks.�
Oct 15, 2015
TMS Exactly! I think EM is trying to calm us down until they finish rolling out the update to North America so that their systems are not overloaded. In around 5 days, the rollout of V7.0 to the US and Canada will end eventually, and Tesla will hopefully start to roll it out in Europe and Asia, fingers crossed!�
Oct 15, 2015
ItsNotAboutTheMoney Or it could be that EU regulations require certification of driver assistance systems (which they do as far as I am aware), but that may be based on testing done by the manufacturer.�
Oct 15, 2015
MorrisonHiker Any word from Australia concerning the update?�
Oct 15, 2015
jarym Elon's tweet no longer visible. I suspect Europeans are in for an unexpected shafting one way or another.�
Oct 15, 2015
ItsNotAboutTheMoney Why wouldn't it need approval? Approval can just mean testing it, sending paperwork and having somebody stamp it.
Because it wasn't finalized until very recently?
Also, Europe isn't a country. There's the EU, but other non-EU countries, so they may want to get approval for all countries in the region.�
Oct 15, 2015
TMS And one in Germany (S85 without AP): Firmware 7.0 Freunde�
Oct 15, 2015
Matias Great great great!! So it is rolling in EU!�
Oct 15, 2015
TMS A TMC member in Holland (HWS) got it as well. Again, his car has no AP.
Firmware 7.0 - For Classic Model S - Page 3�
Oct 15, 2015
TMS Now we have a guy in Denmark showing his V7.0 driving a P85D: Tesla P85D Autopilot - YouTube�
Oct 15, 2015
frosken Very interesting. Are we sure they are not just beta testers thinking they're free from the embargo of the early access program?�
Oct 15, 2015
TMS At least the Swedish guy (Segelflygaren) confirmed that he is not a beta tester:
av Tesla�gare Herr X � 15 okt 2015 21:12
Aha, du �r betatestare.. givetvis..!
av Tesla�gare Segelflygaren � 15 okt 2015 21:25
Nej, �r inte betatestare (vad jag vet i alla fall).
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Oct 15, 2015
tally In Norway�
Oct 16, 2015
Matias Have any new europeans received AP?�
Oct 16, 2015
Namervio There appears to be a very small number of people receiving V7.0 in Europe (In NL there are a couple drivers claiming to have received AP). I am wondering whether these people maybe were already part of the beta testing group and therefore receiving an update from beta to official V7.0 - before the (what appears to be a later) roll out in Europe.�
Oct 16, 2015
vittorio here in italy so far nothing AP. . :-(�
Oct 16, 2015
brewster One guy in Australia is known to have 7.0�
Oct 16, 2015
Dborn But Australia is Oceania, not Asia. Actually around 4 people here are known to have it, maybe more. Includes rear wheel only cars. Also still no browser or homelink.�
Oct 19, 2015
Matias Musk on Twitter today:
"Autopilot release to Europe and Asia pending regulatory approval. Hopefully get the ok in the next few weeks."
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Oct 19, 2015
Matias Why would 7.0 need regulatory approval?�
Oct 19, 2015
Namervio And from whom? I don't think that a pan-European (or Asian) body exists that would be able to do so. And what about other cars (MB) that already have a similar lane keeping functionality? I am not sure what to think about it, but I am for sure quite disappointed. Clearer communication of reliable roadmaps/timings would for sure be helpful. In the meantime we all know what a "few weeks" in Elon's time represents. And that's not good news for anybody in Europe that was hoping to get AP at short notice.�
Oct 19, 2015
Matias ^ +1
I don't think there is a global or even pan european AP Tsar. What about e.g. Norway, which is not EU member?�
Oct 19, 2015
universeFrom0 I'm cynically thinking this is evidence of a pause in the roll out. Some of the posted videos could be the cause of cold feet on Tesla's part. The front collision near miss video being the most worrying, even if the guy had been 'nagged' to take the wheel.�
Oct 19, 2015
WarpedOne Just because noone at tesla could foresee such things happening?�
Oct 19, 2015
Lycanthrope Not the first time, eh? I blame very poor initial communication. The phrase "Worldwide release" was used, obviously this wasn't going to happen.
It's a bit like the "Performance improvement for RWD", doesn't appear to be the case, or at least not mentioned in the release notes.
Delay in the European SuC roll-out was another example where the permits are taking a long time - surely any native of the respective countries could have advised Tesla this well in advance to dampen expectations and provide realistic estimates.
For sure, Elon's a genius in several departments, but with communication he's hopeless, honestly, I can do a better job at it...�
Oct 19, 2015
Namervio Tesla is apparently meeting this week the relevant Dutch governmental entity (RDW) to discuss whether AP meets the respective European guidelines. Not sure what it means, but it indicates that it is (also?) a per country discussion? Don't understand the timing either. This might have been done earlier - unless talks have been going on and the final version of the software is to be benchmarked?
I fear that we're not going to see AP here in Europe for a while.�
Oct 19, 2015
David100 Some Countries are definitely ready already (regulatory wise).
Why not start the roll-out in these countries ?
Are we waiting to align all Europe... Ouch... that may take a while indeed.
Let's roll out to ready countries right now please - as initially announced.�
Oct 19, 2015
Panu Germany will probably be ready after Audi has its electric SUV out in 2025.�
Oct 19, 2015
universeFrom0 I don't think it could rolled out country by country due to the open borders in europe. We will have to wait until every single government is on-board.�
Oct 19, 2015
stopcrazypp I suspect all the EU countries have to be approved at the same time. Perhaps non-EU can roll out first though.�
Oct 19, 2015
4dme As a UK based person who has just ordered an S85, I feel Elon should see how Audi's active lane assist is approved, and follow that lead. Not an Audi driver but my colleague is who regularly drives long distance on French motorways without the inconvenience of using the steering wheel!�
Oct 19, 2015
David100 Exactly,
I read Mercedes, Audi,... and possibly some others have 'active lane assist' rolled out, and don't seem to need new regulations.
Why does Tesla need new regulation ? Or is there something wrong with their approach of EU market ?
I guess I must be misunderstanding something here.�
Oct 19, 2015
Namervio Agree, don't understand this position either. And while Tesla makes this type of new features available for a broader audience, it would not be that unique (compare what BMW and Mercedes already offer) that it would require a complete different approach or even prior consent from all (EU) countries involved. At least that is what I would think - but maybe the current practice shows I am wrong.�
Oct 19, 2015
stopcrazypp No where does it say Tesla will need new laws, just that they need approval. I see it as similar to DOT approval in the US, which each automaker has to go through and it is always evaluated per case to make sure the equipment complies to Federal standards. That other automakers got approval for similar features does not mean Tesla will automatically be approved, as they have to evaluate if Tesla's specific implementation matches requirements.�
Oct 19, 2015
TMS Ok guys,
Let me draw your attention to some important things here:
1- The first tweet of Elon mentioning the release of AP and V7.0 is this:
He only said "Wide" release, not "Worldwide".
2- Pay attention to his tweet from today 19.10.2015:
and his first tweet (in a reply to a user from the UK) about the rollout of V7.0 on 14.10.2015:
In both tweets, he only uses the word "Approval" in singular form, and never the plural "Approvals".
This points to a single "Approval", and my guess is, that it has nothing to do with a regulator or regulators in Europe and Asia, rather, it has everything to do with an "Approval" by the DOD in the US (aka the US military). They most probably will have to approve the export of such advanced software outside the US, especially to countries that are not exactly US allies like China and Russia. This is usually the case with any advanced software and hardware that a US company wants to export.
This is just a theory, but I think that this is what is delaying the rollout...�
Oct 19, 2015
Rprp Elon Musk on Twitter:
Says worldwide. ;-)�
Oct 19, 2015
Johann Koeber Come on: You can give V7 to the 'classic' cars without 'approval', no?�
Oct 19, 2015
TMS @Rprp
OK, you got me there! :redface: You are right, he did answer one person with WW. But my other speculation about the delay still stands :wink:�
Oct 19, 2015
Rprp
Haha, sorry! ;-) Actually, the Dutch agency RDW tweeted today that they are looking at it with Tesla for approval: RDW on Twitter:
Maybe Tesla would have thought that it would be done in a few days, but are delayed by the governments.�
Oct 19, 2015
TMS OK, but this maybe concerns approval for the Netherlands only, so why hold it back for other countries? Here in Switzerland, the government has already pre-approved driver assistance systems similiar to Tesla's on 01.07.2015 (Maybe because the minister responsible for the traffic department drives a Tesla and already know about V7.0 AP :wink
"Bern, 01.07.2015 - The Federal Council today approved an adjustment of the Vienna Convention on the cross-border traffic. This concerns the rules on driving assistance systems. The adjustment will ensure that the Convention is compliant with the rapidly progressing technical regulations.
Driving assistance systems are now often standard equipment on modern vehicles and take on tasks of vehicle steering. With tests and pilot projects, fully automated driving is also being tested worldwide in the meantime. The Federal Council approved the adaptation of the Vienna Convention on the cross-border road transport intended to ensure that even driving assistance systems, which actively take a part of the driver's control responsibilities, are in principle legal and are in conformity with the Vienna Convention. But the responsibilty still remain with the drivers: They need to be able, at any given time, to take control of their vehicles, so that they do not endanger other road users.
With these adjustments, the Vienna Convention matches the agreement on technical regulations from 1958, and by a clause the compliance of future driver assistance systems is guaranteed, provided that they meet the required conditions."
I am sure there are other countries in Europe and Asia/Oceania who already approve such systems, so why put all countries outside the US in one basket?�
Oct 19, 2015
TMS New information:
Somebody wrote a comment about V7 rollout in Europe on Tesla's Blog here: Your Autopilot has arrived | Tesla Motors
The person wrote that he spoke to Tesla in Germany, and they informed him that V7 rollout in the EU is pending approval, not for AP features, but for distributing a firmware over Telecommunication networks, which is something that needs approval every time! This process will probably take 1-2 weeks for EU countries, but other non-EU countries like Switzerland, should get V7 in the coming few days! Let's hope this info is true!!�
Oct 19, 2015
Matias I don't believe that explanation.
1)OTA updates are send through cellular networks every day to cell phones
2)Previous updates to Tesla haven't been pending to regulatory approval
3)Why not send updates over wifi�
Oct 19, 2015
steph37 I do not see any European Community organization gives an authorization for all European countries ! It would be the first time that happens !
From my understanding, auto line assistance systems from Audi is at rather low speed. It might be the problem with the Tesla system that is working even at high speed.
I am afraid we will have to wait a couple of months before we see an update on our cars (at least here in France knowing the kind of bureaucracy we have...).�
Oct 19, 2015
Matias This is interesting theory. I find it possible, that Tesla needs permission from Export Administration Regulations to distribute AP.
Navigation and Avionics are on https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/regulations/commerce-control-list-ccl
https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/forms-documents/doc_download/1089-ccl7
"7D102 Integration "software
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I'm almost positive it is about this.�
Oct 20, 2015
Lycanthrope I was told that in Belgium V7 is approved by the authorities and nobody knows why it's not being distributed.�
Oct 20, 2015
dvroegop Probably because when you hit the accelerator a bit you're immediatly in Germany, France or The Netherlands where V7 is still nog approved..�
Oct 20, 2015
JFoX :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:�
Oct 20, 2015
4dme I don't think Audi's system is low speed specific. This video notes it starts working at 65 kph. Audi active lane assist - YouTube�
Oct 20, 2015
Torpedo Ted
That i actually the most plausible explanation I've read. Tesla has never(?) set a specific date for SW releases before. They usually appeared in USA before EU, and the rollout has often been several weeks. So it is possible they previously made the final build, sent it for approval, and within the next days/week slowly started the rollout in USA while waiting for the approval in EU. Since they were not in a rush, they probably even got the EU approval before it was released anywhere.
This time however, they were in a hurry, because of a huge pressure (lot's of promises and Model X). v7.0 was probably built only a few days before the promised release date, and thus haven't had any time for any aprovals yet.�
Oct 20, 2015
Lycanthrope Fine, no problem. Just communicate this up-front rather than setting false expectations. That's all we ask...�
Oct 20, 2015
MorrisonHiker Hasn't Europe has always been a lot more concerned about data privacy? Maybe the delay is due to data privacy concerns? Perhaps they are concerned about the uploading of auto steer corrections to Tesla's servers and an additional privacy disclaimer could be required.�
Oct 22, 2015
Matias Could we please get some more info, Tesla!�
Oct 22, 2015
Haldenser The problem as far as I can see is due to UN Regulation 79 which doesn't allow any "hands off wheel" above 10 km/h without nagging constantly. There is a Workgroup established which are working on this general issue, but the current timeline doesn't expect any change to regulation until end of 2016. You can have a look at the documents etc here: http://www.globalautoregs.com/meetings/764
Hopefully Tesla has been involved in some lobbying or defininition changes that makes them able to roll out faster.�
Oct 22, 2015
dvroegop Elon just tweeted he hopes for a friday release in Norway at least. Let's hope he is right...
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Oct 22, 2015
mike_j He didn't say which Friday.....�
Oct 22, 2015
Laserbrain I guess the Audi system is the same as the VW system. Here is a VW Phaeton at 100 mph with autopilot: Volkswagen Phaeton W12 (Team Review) - Fifth Gear - YouTube�
Oct 22, 2015
TMS Here we go !!!! :biggrin:
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Oct 22, 2015
cynix Don't get too excited, he also said last Thursday's release was going to be world-wide��
Oct 22, 2015
TMS First V7.0 early rollout report from Norway (via Facebook):
Tesla service center in Trondheim said that it had already received V7.0 today in some of their demo cars.�
Oct 22, 2015
TMS New report from Denmark:
A Tesla employee in Denmark told one Tesla owner that most company cars used by Tesla employees in Denmark have already received V7.0 Software, and that he is almost sure that V7.0 will rollout in Denmark next week.�
Oct 22, 2015
Lycanthrope I'm on vacation in Denmark next week, will I get it, or do I have to wait for Belgium?�
Oct 22, 2015
TMS @Lycanthrope Your car was sold and registered in Belgium, thus, your car's VIN is considered by Tesla to be Belgian, and normally, you have to wait for the roll out in Belgium. But if Elon's tweet is correct, V7.0 will be rolled out to the whole of Europe at the same time, and this means that you will get it anyway, even if you are in Denmark.�
Oct 22, 2015
Danny85 I was at Aartselaar this morning.
They were also rolling out v7 on the cars of the dealership and expected it to be released shortly.
My car is in for some minor issues and I got "an update is available" on my iPhone this evening.
I don't know if it is a 6.2-update, but I'll pick up my car tomorrow.�
Oct 22, 2015
Lycanthrope Good luck!!�
Oct 22, 2015
TMS @Danny85
Yeah, good luck, and let us know if it is V7.0 :wink:�
Oct 23, 2015
universeFrom0 UK website has been updated this morning. It now shows the V7 autopilot features just like the US site.
Model S | Tesla Motors UK�
Oct 23, 2015
steph37 same in France. Tesla website updated.�
Oct 23, 2015
Matias Still we have to remember, that Elon said "hopefully".�
Oct 23, 2015
TMS Same in Switzerland, and the rest of Europe. In Asia/Pacific, only China has been updated! HK, Taiwan, Japan and Australia are still showing the old page!�
Oct 23, 2015
Lycanthrope Belgium too...�
Oct 23, 2015
David100 Will it be the full V7.0 in Europe, or a downgraded V7.0 - with or without AP ?�
Oct 23, 2015
steph37 Update seems to be starting in France. 1st owner reporting update is available.�
Oct 23, 2015
Lycanthrope Bloody hell, at work I'm in an underground car-park with no signal [emoji35][emoji1]�
Oct 23, 2015
steph37 it was a fake on Facebook. Sorry...�
Oct 23, 2015
Danny85 I'll pick up my car at 3pm.
If it has version 7 I'll let you guys know
Probably not, but still...�
Oct 23, 2015
Lycanthrope The funny thing is that here we are, screaming for this V7 and yet when we install, we'll all start moaning about it :redface:�
Oct 23, 2015
dvroegop Perhaps we all have run out of things to complain about and we are in desperate need for something new?�
Oct 23, 2015
TMS V7 News.... this time from Switzerland:
1- A Tesla owner has just received his car from the service center in Z�rich with V7.0 Software!
2- A guy from another service center in Switzerland just informed me that they don't have V7 yet, but they are expecting it sometime next week.�
Oct 23, 2015
cynix I didn't know they had a Taiwan site at all.�
Oct 23, 2015
TMS Sorry my mistake, not Taiwan, but the Chinese Hong Kong site (They have one in English as well).�
Oct 23, 2015
gshin8359 Firmware Update 7.0 in The UK
Has anyone in Europe or the UK received a version 7.0 update request yet?�
Oct 23, 2015
orlenok Nothing in France yet�
Oct 23, 2015
Lycanthrope Neither Belgium. Driving to Denmark tomorrow and was also hoping to trst.�
Oct 23, 2015
gshin8359 Watch
Lets keep the watch going hopefully it will happen tonight, will appreciate if any of our European tesla owners let us know if they received any updates overnight�
Oct 23, 2015
biciklanto Any references on this? I'm a few hundred kilometers north and I'd be thrilled to hear that it's begun over here.�
Oct 23, 2015
TMS It is official !!!!!
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Oct 23, 2015
orlenok Cool, hope to get the update notification by the time I wake up. Does anyone know how much time the v7 update takes? Thinking of postponing my morning trip to get the latest and greatest firmware.�
Oct 23, 2015
hockeythug People in the U.S were reporting install times in the 1 hour 40 minute range.�
Oct 23, 2015
TMS More goodies from uncle Elon
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Oct 23, 2015
gshin8359 Thanks Ellon
Thanks Ellon for the update, Tesla is the best car out there by a mile
- - - Updated - - -
If you have a fast broadband wireless pair your tesla with this and upgrade will be very quick
- - - Updated - - -
Owesome Ellon fantastic thanks�
Oct 23, 2015
gshin8359 Anyone out there in Europe with News of update notification?
Has anyone out there in Europe received any notication to download and install firmware update 7.0?�
Oct 23, 2015
Matias Nothing here.�
Oct 23, 2015
kaneda Not yet, too bad we are just starting a 3 days road trip :crying:�
Oct 24, 2015
TonyOrr I believe the file download is about 250Mb so shouldn't take too long to download. Happens I'm the background then once downloaded you get the notification that an update is available. The install then takes about 1h 40m as per other comments. Unfortunately it appears that no one in Europe has received it overnight as expected�
Oct 24, 2015
steph37 I am monitoring the wifi of the car. No activity during the night and now.�
Oct 24, 2015
gshin8359 Unfortunately nothing here also from Kent, England�
Oct 24, 2015
TMS The front pages of European Tesla websites have now been updated to highlight autopilot. So things are moving...
Here is the UK site:
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Oct 24, 2015
Mj�lner Anyone beside beta tester's and SC, received 7.0 in Europe?�
Oct 24, 2015
biciklanto That's the big question. A page or two back someone said that some Swiss owners had picked their cars up from service and version 7 was installed, but I don't know where that information came from.
I hope it arrives today/tonight!�
Oct 24, 2015
steph37 started in France. Check your car !�
Oct 24, 2015
gshin8359 No sure what's going on but for sure it seems no one in Europe has received these so called updates, not very good to say it will happen from last night and yet nothing, is this a hoax or April fool, but last time I checked the month isn't even April, so Ellon what is going on, are we getting upgrade or not, or is this a US only club when it comes to upgrade etc�
Oct 24, 2015
steph37 yes this is true : https://www.facebook.com/groups/1628344087440357/?fref=nf
I know him.�
Oct 24, 2015
biciklanto That seems a little extreme. He already posted last week that there was a delay for regulatory approval in Europe. Then Wednesday he said he hoped it would start Friday. Friday, he said that approval was clear and Europe would be getting it.
It's Saturday. How does that make this a hoax?�
Oct 24, 2015
steph37 It is confirmed. Updates in progress in France.�
Oct 24, 2015
orlenok Cool! Already on the road (Lyon supercharger) but hope to get it over 3g for the return trip on Wednesday�
Oct 24, 2015
gshin8359 True I take that back was just frustrated, hopefully will get it in a week a two�
Oct 24, 2015
Lycanthrope I see a Dutch report too...�
Oct 24, 2015
dvroegop Installing now! Vin 68244, AP hardware...�
Oct 24, 2015
Matias Installing now!�
Oct 24, 2015
TMS My VIN is 93xxx and still nothing.�
Oct 24, 2015
TMS Thanks Tesla!
I have just received the update! Now in progress :biggrin:�
Oct 24, 2015
thebishop Rolling out in Sweden too. 2.7.77�
Oct 24, 2015
NielsHP And now in Denmark (several...)�
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