Thứ Tư, 25 tháng 1, 2017

driver crashes Model S into restaurant part 1

  • Mar 29, 2013
    TheAustin
    I just saw this posted on Instagram...If you're faint of heart, look away...

    I would LOVE to hear the explanation on this...

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  • Mar 29, 2013
    Lloyd
    Something does not look right, I would expect to see some of the car through the window. Photoshop??
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    kevincwelch
    Nah. Look at the hood and the gaps. Face Palm.

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  • Mar 29, 2013
    Banahogg
  • Mar 29, 2013
    Stoneymonster
    Sigh, she claims she pushed the brake and it accelerated. The mantra of those who crash into solid, non moving objects the world over.
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    carrerascott
    Elon has the data. ;)

    I do notice that my foot hits the gas and brake more often in the S than other cars. I've had to move my seat back a bit more to keep that from happening. But I never get acceleration from it, just a warning from the Tesla. Sounds like she hit the wrong pedal.

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  • Mar 29, 2013
    yobigd20
    I'm probably going to get reemed for this, but a 71 year old lady driving a brand new Tesla Model S? Really? Probably doesn't' even know that it doesn't run on gas, blind as a bat, clearly can't even tell the difference between the "gas pedal" and the brake, and probably had no idea how to put the car in "park". Maybe it might have helped if she turned creep mode off...that is if she could even figure out how to use the console, let alone read and understand all of it.
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    carrerascott
    Not going to ream you, it all depends on the 71 year old. My parents are 73 & 76. Own luxury cars and drive them fine (Lexus & Mercedes). Why not buy an electric car before their time is up? The car isn't hard to drive. This happens with ICE cars often, sometimes ending with disaster. At least this had no injuries/fatalities. This could have easily have happened to a 17 year old or a 35 year old.

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  • Mar 29, 2013
    stevezzzz
    Yeah, haven't you heard? 71 is the new 51 (says the guy who just turned six-oh). :biggrin:
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    gg_got_a_tesla
    Is someone going to spin this into an unintended acceleration story a la Lexus/Toyota a couple of years ago?!

    @yobigd20, good luck!
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    Lloyd
    Careful..... You might be 71 one day.... if youre lucky!

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  • Mar 29, 2013
    Stoneymonster
    I know you are kidding, but I sure hope not.
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    Banahogg
    Pedal misapplication/confusion is a very real issue (happened to one of my older relatives). With a car as powerful as the Model S, there's really no hope of recovery once you've stomped on the gas thinking it's the break.

    Personally, I think that part of the problem is the design of the interface itself, but that's a bit off-topic...
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    vfx
    Lure is a new restaurant next to the The Counter in Agoura Hills. Only been open for week or so.

    google maps costco agoura hills - Google Maps

    It's one of those buildings that gets a new eatery every 6 months to one year. I wonder if the Camarillo one has it's own problems?
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    carrerascott
    He problem doesnt have it yet, but they can certainly extract it.

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    Well maybe the Tesla NAV system said it was still just a parking lot, and there wasn't a restaurant there yet. ;)

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  • Mar 29, 2013
    yobigd20
    Ok, I'll admit that shouldn't really be a blanket statement then. I really hope 71 is the new 51. I'm talking from personal POV, where both my grandparents were blind as a bat at 70, and the fenders on their cars were soooo scraped and dinged up from hitting things...god knows how many cars they actually scraped every time they parked...and I'm 100% sure they never knew they even hit other cars when parking either.
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    steve841
    There's goes creep for the rest of us.....

    Maybe that's news in that part of the world, here in retirement central, it's at least a monthly occurrence .... Without exaggeration ...
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    SCW-Greg
    I'm not sure I buy this photo. The impact force on the nose cone and front end - to break through some wall structure, studs, possible foundation straps, etc. should cause more deformation of the car... don't you think?
    I always check reflections too, light angles, etc, to check for consistency, which otherwise looks legit.

    Edit: Yeah, the more I look at this, the less I believe it. Bushes outside where the cabin of the car should be, reflections on the hood and left side front, don't appear to match the inside surroundings.

    Instagram effects conveniently mask other nuances.

    Just sayin.
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    steve841
    It's legit.... See the article
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    wstuff
    Well I might be a little more careful with my statements as you are presumably harboring the same DNA, see you soon in a situation you describe.
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    Todd Burch
    "She said she put her foot on the brake and the car jumped forward."

    For this to happen, she must have really pushed down on that pedal. Why can't people just admit they pressed the wrong pedal instead of just claiming that the car magically did something completely different than what was commanded?

    Sigh. Shouldn't need more than a light tap of the brakes in a parking stall anyway. Back to driving school for her.
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    SCW-Greg
    Steve, my bad. The photo just didn't seem to add up. Interesting too that the two inside shots (one through the outside window looking in, didn't seem to match the wall conditions of the one taken from inside.

    Deceptive imagery I guess. I tend to look for forgeries, as its often common in events people try to pass / get to go viral.
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    efusco
    I'm thinking those are paintings on the wall made to look like windows.
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    AnOutsider
    Why is she mashing the brake that hard? I just can't see hitting the gas and not having time to brake before plowing through a wall -- though at 71 her reflexes could be pretty shoddy.

    Sheesh.
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    ModelS1079
    Love that.
    But standard regen setting kept the car out of the restaurant's kitchen, which is nice.
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    yobigd20
    oh don't worry, I'm already royally screwed with the gene's I inherited from all 4 grandparents...let's see, uh they all had diabetes, one had 4 or 5 heart attacks, two strokes, lets see, what else - schizophrenia, breast cancer twice, hypertension/high blood pressure, a plethora of other stuff I can't pronounce or even attempt to spell, and one was putting bowls of cereal in the attic to "feed the little ghost boy". yea...I have a really bright future ahead of me. (just kill me now)
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    K Hall
    This type of accident is more common than you might think. That poor Tesla.
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    yobigd20
    Well, the Instagram was clearly professionally photoshopped to enhance colors and possibly clean up the picture A LOT. Or, this could just be one early April 1st joke and the whole thing could be faked.

    Just look at the difference between these two photos of the same scene:

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    also, the one of the left looks white, and the one of the right looks silver.
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    AnOutsider
    Lol at "Instagram" and "professional"
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    SCW-Greg
    My point exactly!
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    doug
  • Mar 29, 2013
    NigelM
    ^ Is that the driver (bottom left) sitting there doing her knitting?
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    doug
  • Mar 29, 2013
    Larry Chanin
    You are apparently also deficient in the politically correct gene. :wink:

    Larry
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    gg_got_a_tesla
    Ha ha! Yet another gem from Jim :)
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    Mr X


    highly doubt that, ya this situation apparently is a simple misplacement of foot to pedal but its pretty easy to distinguish which one is which


    i can assure you that a 71 year old woman would have a substantially consolidated time trying to understand this technologically advanced vehicle, and im still surprised that a 71 year old woman was even avowed the chance to drive this car lol


    elderly people are always the ones on the road driving odd....... and asians :tongue: jk
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    phx182flyer
    Can vouch for both. Monthly occurrence here in Phoenix/Sun City. And I will NEVER be passenger when my partner is driving (Asian)
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    Johan
    To the comment about photoshop and enhanced colors etc: Isn't the tweaking of the colors and the out-of-focus effect the annoying trade mark of instagram. It's 100% legit, look at the photos from the news article and how the debris is placed just the same on the hood...

    And no, she didn't put her foot on the brake... But she must have gone from Park to Drive. In my current automatic car it's not possible to change gear from Park to any other mode if the foot is not on the brake. How is that set up in the Model S?
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    brianman
    Given the current global challenges to freedom and opportunity, I don't find this funny at all.
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  • Mar 29, 2013
    mcornwell
    Probably trying to use her cell phone, but worrying that she could blow something up if she presses the wrong button.
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    mhpr262
    I presume the woman was trying to back out of the parking space. That sort of thing seems to happen often when elderly drivers attempt to drive backwards. Looking back over their shoulders messes up their coordination, they confuse the pedals and instead of easing off the accelerator and hitting the brake they just mash the accelerator pedal all the way to the floor in their panic.

    Exactly the same thing happened to my grandmother (or maybe I should say she did the same thing, it is not something that maghically "happens" to one). she backed out of her parking space at the supermarket, hit the gas and backed full throttle into another car. Thankfully she was only driving a 45hp compact car ...

    Years later I inherited perhaps the only Lancia Y 10 hatchback that had a rear hatch painted in the same colour like the rest of the car, not the factory butt ugly black :-D
    http://www.netcarshow.com/lancia/1986-y10/
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    Ben W
    They had a special on S car go.
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    mhpr262
    You should join Adventure Rider Motorcycle Forum, you would fit right in :biggrin: ... the guys in JoMomma love their puns. Must have been a dozen pages just about the Oscar Pistorius shooting ... it's a pretty tough crowd over there ...
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    Bearman
    Glad no one got hurt but the car is a tank :biggrin:
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    DrTaras
    ditto here! there was a whole thread on that awhile back.
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    steve841
    Bonnie, I'm not keeping score on the female parking thing ....

    (inside joke)
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    Daniel Scherer
    It looks like a P85 so she covered that distance from the parking spot to the dining room table in about .001 seconds. That's got to be some kind of a time record for this type of accident. Looks like they all had to climb out the back hatch.
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    yobigd20
    whats not pc about that?
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    Botbldr45
    On the age thing ..... I'm 66! Guess I have 5 more years before I run old #992 into thr Rams Head Tavern front window!!!
    Plenty of time to have fun!

    On a more serious note. In the past 15 years I have had three cases of cars jumping the curb at my office condo where I have my practice. Two went thru the building front ...... Big Badda Booom! One poor soul was 75, one was 63, the guy was 48 ! All " hit the brake" not the gas! .....:)


    Yes they were all my patients...... Probably scared shi!!ess to come to their appointment:(
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    wycolo
    1. Public buildings need protective posts to keep cars off sidewalk & out of the buildings. Why is this not an insurance requirement?

    2. Case in point for TM removing that Nanny Gong whenever we apply both pedals at the same time. With an 'automatic' car one should ALWAYS have both feet on respective pedals when negotiating in close quarters. Especially negotiating in close proximity to pedestrian traffic.
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    medved
    It reminds me of this woman:
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    Soflason
    Haha, yep - regen defends! :biggrin:
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    GSP
    "For this to happen, she must have really pushed down on that pedal. Why can't people just admit they pressed the wrong pedal instead of just claiming that the car magically did something completely different than what was commanded?"

    This is simple. They really think they are on the brake. They press harder when the car starts to accelerate. It is over before they can realise what is happening. Afterward, they think it was the car, since they are sure they were pressing on the brake pedal.

    This has been an issue for decades. See the 60-minutes episode from the 1980's about the woman who killed her son with her Audi 5000. Very sad.

    GSP
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    yobigd20
    I actually have never used Instagram, so I wouldn't know. But what about all the other picture differences between the two? So if Instragram touches up the photos, that could definitely explain the color difference, and that it makes the car look white. Theres still a lot of debris differences though.

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    Uh...say whaaaaatt? BOTH feet on respective pedals?? Are you kidding? Fail drivers ed 101. I'm glad I never have to get in a car with you....seems like a recipe for disaster. I'd say you're more likely to get in an accident than anyone else that uses 1 foot. And you probably have destroyed more brakes than anyone else too.

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    hah, and she drives off....classic.
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    wycolo
    > BOTH feet on respective pedals [yobigd20]

    Added another 'negotiating' to my post for clarity. N.b. negotiating means 'not yet underway', as in pulling into or out of slots, or parallel parking, or turning around on a narrow crowned muddy road. Anywhere you don't completely trust your sightlines, mirrors or rear camera. Left hemisphere of brain = STOP. Right hemisphere of brain = GO. No slack in brakes because you are purposely slightly dragging. No slack on accel pedal since you are constantly applying creep as a minimum. Add right hand doing D > R > D and you now have complete synergy.

    As opposed to raising foot off floor and stabbing at a pedal, any pedal, whatever. With the results we see here and elsewhere on a regular basis, unfortunately. But fully sanctioned by the 'driver's ed' industry. :frown:
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    NigelM
    Whoa. Maybe it wasn't a woman, maybe it was a Slovak from NJ? :wink:
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    jerry33
    While getting used to one pedal driving, after allowing the regen to brake to 4 mph, I pressed the gas and wondered why the car wasn't stopping at the light. I didn't press very hard so it only went a couple of feet before I realized that I hit the wrong pedal. Now that I'm aware of this, it's not a problem, but that first time was "Wow, pedal confusion happened to me".
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    Thumper
    As mentioned, not all drivers are equal. Paul Newman was still racing successfully at 70! Per Wikipedia:

    Newman was an avid auto racing enthusiast, and first became interested in motorsports ("the first thing that I ever found I had any grace in") while training at the Watkins Glen Racing School for the filming of Winning, a 1969 film. Because of his love and passion for racing, Newman agreed in 1971 to star in and to host his first television special, Once Upon a Wheel, on the history of auto racing. It was produced and directed by David Winters, who co-owned a number of racing cars with Newman.[41][42] Newman's first professional event as a racer was in 1972, in Thompson, Connecticut, and he was a frequent competitor in Sports Car Club of America (SCCA) events for the rest of the decade, eventually winning four national championships. He later drove in the 1979 24 Hours of Le Mans in Dick Barbour's Porsche 935 and finished in second place.[43] Newman reunited with Barbour in 2000 to compete in the Petit Le Mans.[44]
    24 Hours of Le Mans career
    Participating years 1979
    Teams Dick Barbour Racing
    Best finish 2nd (1979)
    Class wins 1 (1979)
    From the mid-1970s to the early 1990s, he drove for the Bob Sharp Racing team, racing mainly Datsuns (later rebranded as Nissans) in the Trans-Am Series. He became closely associated with the brand during the 1980s, even appearing in commercials for them. At the age of 70 years and 8 days, he became the oldest driver to be part of a winning team in a major sanctioned race,[45] winning in his class at the 1995 24 Hours of Daytona.[46] Among his last races were the Baja 1000 in 2004 and the 24 Hours of Daytona once again in 2005.[47]

    Agree with wycolo, always drive with left foot braking in non-stick cars. It improves reaction time and minimizes chance you will hit the wrong pedal.
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    digitaltim
    I was recently driving in a pair of flip flops that I had not worn before in the car. I accidentally hit both pedals and they were fighting each other. I ended up pressing harder because I was attempting to stop for a red light - that made the car lurch forward a bit more.

    I finally woke up and realized what I was doing just in time...stupid me...about to be 44yo here...
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    yobigd20
    Thats funny....what makes you say Slovak from NJ? :p
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    doug
    We already have a split off thread on two foot. So if you want to continue discussing that, do it there.
    Two foot driving

    Btw, I thought neural decussation was common knowledge.
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    AC1K
    this was posted on reddit, that woman was caught, it was outside of a gym in the states somewhere (cant remember really long time ago), and some other redditors go there quite often, they knew exactly who it was.
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    montgom626
    I am sure that TM has the data recorder dl already.
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    caddieo
    Gee! I am 78. Maybe I should cancel my SP85 reservation, sell my 1973 BMW 2002 tii and Audi A8 and cancel my memberships in the BMW, Audi, and Tesla clubs.
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    montgom626

    With age comes wisdom. Look at the accident rate for 20 somethings.

    BTW, let me know when you want to sell your BMW. ;-)
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    tdelta1000
    I think it's a doctored photo but the event may have happened.
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    doug
    What is the matter with you people? Not everything is a conspiracy. :rolleyes:
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    Plug Me In
    Medved,

    That's one maneuver the Model S can't do!
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    doug
    Thread title updated to be more descriptive.
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    ADN_ModelS
    I read that the woman is a Exxon employee, and she crashed the car to prove electric cars are unsafe. Or perhaps it was that she's a Saudi? Either way... I'm sure there's a bigger story behind this.
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    markb1
    Well it is Instagram, where all images are modified in some way. (I still can't fathom why anyone would want to apply an Instagram filter to their photos, but I'm told people do.) So doctored, sure, in some sense of the word, but clearly not fake.
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    ChadS
    That is exactly what I would expect somebody in on it to say...
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    vetboy45
    My mom is 67 years old and has a model S. Don't judge people by their age. Makes me wonder about your genetics if you assume someone who's 70+ is incapable of learning new things. Besides, as I'm getting older, 71 ain't as old as it used to be.
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    mitch672
    I don't have much to say about the incident, it can happen to anyone. My mom was driving right up until she became ill at 72 with Pancreatic Cancer, in fact she had just bought a new 2010 Camry 2 months before she was diagnosed. My dad, well we had to take his license away in his early 70's, he managed to clip an MBTA bus, and he realized he probably shouldn't be driving any longer (but he always regreted not being able to drive), he had onset of Parkinsons, so muscle control was starting to affect him.

    That South Park episode has a lot of truth in it (and a lot of humor), the grandpa "calling in the AARP", and having them parachute in, although funny, they do operate that way, only politically, rather than as comandos with guns. You cross the AARP and senior benefits in this country, and you won't be relelected. no one wants to do battle with the AARP... the boys blockading the "Old Country Buffet", to "save the country", brilliant :)
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    yobigd20
    As I said in an above post, that shouldn't really be a blanket statement, and I already admitted I am royally screwed with my genetics. most of my grandparents died early 70s, and none of them were sane or had a clue what was going on around them at that age. one used to even 'feed the little boy' in the attic by placing bowls a cereal up there that would sit for weeks. None of them could even figure out how to turn a PC on, use a cell phone, or manipulate any sort of electronic device more complicated than a toaster.
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    JRP3
    I heard Broder was in the passenger seat, probably put his foot on the pedal.

    Regarding the "age" angle, it certainly seems that older people are more prone to this type of accident. I know it's fun to pretend everything gets better with age, but then there is reality.
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  • Mar 30, 2013
    gaswalla
  • Mar 31, 2013
    cwerdna
    On this note, people might find Smart pedals won't put the brakes on driver error / UCLA Today interesting. This was originally published around the time of the Toyota SUA media frenzy (was in the news every day for weeks).

    The Audi fiasco is also mentioned.
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  • Mar 31, 2013
    dsm363
    This is more of a driver skill issue than an age issue. There are countless drivers this age who would never come close to something like this.
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  • Mar 31, 2013
    steve841
    Bonnie! Where are you?

    This is killing me!
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  • Mar 31, 2013
    JRP3
    Well if you read the quote from the article above it is an age issue.
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  • Mar 31, 2013
    CommonSense
    The gas and break are too close in this car and need separation. Poor old lady.
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  • Mar 31, 2013
    Lcaudle24
    yea, you'll probably get reamed, but it was funny. :).
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  • Mar 31, 2013
    ipdamages
  • Mar 31, 2013
    vfx
    As for the hinkyness of the Instagram, the top of the car seems to be obscured by the bushes and the sky is so overexposed that any of the roof that might be seen is blending into the sky.

    Still some weirdness with the interior building damage. The two interior pictures have been taken at different times. The Instagram shot does look like it's been staged a bit. The gray sheet to the right of the fender looks like it has been propped up on on-end box.

    Other points:

    Car looks silver.
    Car looks pretty good for having crashed through a wall.
    The article calls it a "luxury electric sedan".
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  • Mar 31, 2013
    dsm363
    I don't disagree that age makes this more likely just that driver skill is a big factor. The mashing down of the pedal, not pushing the wrong pedal then realizing you made a mistake after the first few feet.
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  • Mar 31, 2013
    TheAustin
    As mentioned, a big part of the appeal of Instagram is the ability to apply color-enhancement filters and blur effects that mimic the use of a tilt-shift lens (Google it, I'm not going to start a photography tangent here, but there's so cool photography out there that utilizes actual tilt-shift lenses, and not just after-effect filters)...And that's clearly what is going on in the original photo. As for the car looking white/silver, you can see from the the additional VCStar.com article that the car is indeed white, and only looks silver because the photo you posted was clearly shot through a window, and was causing some glare that made the car look darker and more grey.
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  • Mar 31, 2013
    Lloyd
    I drove for 18 hours with my dad (81 yo) yesterday. He is fully functional and sharp, but I realized that he could never operate this vehicle as he does not have visual accomodation at the distance of the center screen. He had vision correction and now has a focal accomodation of 20" or so. In order to see the screen he has to lean over and put his face in front of the screen. I don't think he could be safe in this car without the information on the center console. Any new owner should be willing and able to learn new systems and routines that are necessary in operating an electric vehicle. A full test drive is in order for elderly considering this purchase.
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  • Mar 31, 2013
    Doogue
    Agreed on getting the warning, but no acceleration. I have big, wide feet, happens a decent amount in any car for me, but thought the Tesla warning - audible and visual - was an elegant notification to my big feet.... This woman is likely embarrassed, but I really respect people when they take responsibility for their actions. Sometimes it really is just our fault. Own it!

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  • Apr 2, 2013
    UMD86
    I have the same problem. Also I find that without a center console I'm getting hip discomfort because I cannot rest my knee while pressing on the accelerator.
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  • Apr 2, 2013
    Todd Burch
    You can rest it on the leather portion of the side of the touchscreen. If you can't currently do that, try adjusting your seat.
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  • Apr 5, 2013
    bonnie
    garrrgh. This thread is just so wrong. Wrong! I've done my best to stay away (kind of like how I'm treating the thread about the best dress a woman should wear in a Model S. Really?? We're 12 now??)

    For those who issue blanket statements about age / gender, well, you give away a lot about yourself. And I'll leave it at that.
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  • Apr 5, 2013
    brianman
    I'm resisting commenting further about choosing a number as low as 12.
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  • Apr 5, 2013
    mcornwell
  • Apr 6, 2013
    GSP
    I don't think there is a magic age. It varies from one individual to another.

    Mcornwell's link also points out the two thirds of all accidents involve male drivers. Why not be concerned about them, instead of the two thirds of unintended acceleration accidents with female drivers?

    GSP
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  • Apr 6, 2013
    yobigd20
    Now now, no need to start being shy. I've been waiting for your response on that thread. You know how I love your comments :)

    why don't we combine the two threads and ask what type of dress an old lady should wear when she gets in and out of the Model S?? LOL!!!
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  • Apr 6, 2013
    anticitizen13.7
    I don't know about the rest of the forum, but decades later, I'm still 13:tongue:

    The only difference is that I don't say stupid stuff most of the time, but I'm still thinking it:eek:
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  • Apr 6, 2013
    bonnie
    Whatever damn dress she wants. I mean really. I have to admit that a group of men discussing what dress a woman should wear is amusing, considering it's the same group that also asks 'what color of car should I get?', 'which tires do I want?', 'should I get performance?', 'what's the better battery deal?', 'will I ever use a Supercharger?', and 'where are my Garanimals?'. :) Let's get the easy task of 'configuring your car' done before moving on as to what women should wear.


    I think everyone could say the same.
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  • Apr 6, 2013
    steve841
    Ahhhhhhhhhhh... Now I'm happy :biggrin:
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  • Apr 6, 2013
    JRP3
    Sorry Bonnie, gender issues aside, you can't ignore the statistics of older people having a higher incident of these types of parking accidents. My parents, in their early 80's, don't drive as well as they used to. Luckily they are aware of this and avoid driving at night, and have not been in any accidents.

    As for men discussing how women look, you'll need to become a member of a different species if you don't want to be exposed to that. It's part of our genetic programing.
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  • Apr 6, 2013
    bonnie
    Right. But this thread is pretty nonspecific. Are we talking 50? 80? A 35-year old with COPD might be more dangerous than an 85 year old who plays softball twice a week (like my dad). Using age or gender to draw conclusions is inappropriate. I'm 59, looking at the big 60 shortly. Yep. There are some assumptions made here that my 'age group' perhaps shouldn't have a car as powerful as a Model S, perhaps because it's believed our reaction time might not be as good due to age. It's an arrogant assumption.

    There is a reason many people quit driving at some point. But it's also easy to make the broad claim that a 40 year old driver is a safer driver than a newly-licensed 17 year old.

    Regarding discussions about how women look ... lots of forums for that. This forum would also not be the place for discussions about child birth, pedicures, quilting bees, house-cleaning tips, etc. We want to keep this forum welcoming to everyone. Discussions about women and how they should look just seems like it belongs somewhere else.
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  • Apr 6, 2013
    JRP3
    It's not arrogant at all to realize that as we age eventually our abilities diminish. This is an irrefutable fact, proven by our ultimate failure at life.
    Indeed, and that claim is backed up by statistics, as is the claim that older people are more likely to be in these unintended parking lot acceleration accidents.
    Fair enough, though if there were a thread discussing what suit, or speedo, a man should wear with his Model S it would not offend me in the least.
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  • Apr 6, 2013
    bonnie
    That wasn't my point. I also said that everyone reaches the age where they need to stop driving. It was the sweeping generalizations that I was commenting upon, saying that those generalizations were arrogant. Some of the ages quoted as 'too old for a Model S' were laughable. (For the record, I have had to help more than one person out of my Roadster ... and every one of them was younger than I was, some by quite a bit.)
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  • Apr 6, 2013
    vfx
    Isn't that 13.7?
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  • Apr 6, 2013
    jimbakker666
    Tesla should begin offering those long metal car whisker things as part of their 'Technology Package' lol.
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  • Apr 8, 2013
    Mr X


    not arrogant at all, its true.
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  • Apr 8, 2013
    bonnie
    Hahaha. Thanks for the good laugh this morning. (I'm assuming it's a joke, because I'm sure you're not saying that Model S sales should be restricted to certain age groups.)

    Note the clarification I had added, since some seemed to miss the point:

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  • Apr 8, 2013
    neroden
    I think the problem is not so much age, as amount of time since last driving test / last serious practice.

    There are some serious problems with people who took their driving tests 65 years ago or more, but who continue to get their licenses renewed without question. The driving tests didn't even require the same level of skill 65 years ago. There should probably be a periodic retest required, every 10 or 20 years.
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  • Apr 8, 2013
    Benjam
    On point 1, the probability of something like this happening compared to the cost of installing protective posts around all public buildings is likely not worth it. It would be like someone in the Sahara buying flood insurance - - I guess it's entirely possible but not worth the expense.
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  • Apr 8, 2013
    Doug_G
    Three times in the last three days I have had an "older gentleman" pull up to a red light, not really look, then pull out right in front of me as I pass by. Slam brakes, swerve lanes, HONK!!! Definitely past their driving expiry date.

    Mind you, this is a growing problem with Ottawa drivers of all ages, but younger ones look first and THEN cut you off.
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  • Apr 8, 2013
    gray
    You have a bright future of higher insurance premiums now that the Internets know your medical history!
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  • Apr 9, 2013
    JRP3
    Yes, if he applies as yobigd20.
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  • Apr 9, 2013
    NigelM
    Last three days, hmmmm......."Snowbird" season ended here on Easter Monday and there was an exodus of biblical proportion with cars headed back north last week. :wink:
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  • Apr 9, 2013
    TheAustin
    Leaving the age issues by the wayside (where they belong), and returning to the original subject of the post...Has anyone heard any follow-up to the accident?
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