Nov 15, 2014
Surge74 Hi Everyone,
I'm regretting my purchase of a fully loaded Model S. I wish I had taken more time to inspect the interior quality before paying over $100K for this car.
pic 1 - where is the arm rest? Terrible on a long drive, your arm just falls down.
pic 2 - entire top of dash above instrument binnacle flexs a good 2-3". WTF? You don't see this on a $10K Hyundai, let alone a $100K+ 'luxury' car.
This car had the upgraded leather dash, and it felt like vinyl.
pic 3 - upper door panel - very cheap, hard plastic
'full' / upgraded whatever seats also felt cheap. Nothing like a Porsche/BMW/Benz.
Elon sure knows how to price gouge... this interior is terrible for the price.
For those who are considering the Model S, take heed of this.
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Nov 15, 2014
wstuff Are you saying that I need to inspect something before I purchase it, thank you, message received , I suggest if your unhappy with your purchase return it and buy your (Porsche/BMW/Benz.), I'm sure you will be much happier, thanks for the kind advice.�
Nov 15, 2014
Merrill If you bought this car for the interior only your missing the point. I like the clean uncluttered interior and yes it could be more upscale but there are so many other great things going on with this car it is less important to me.�
Nov 15, 2014
GreenT Troll with an Apple ... (90 deg off photos)
Provide a VIN and maybe we'll believe you're a legit owner?�
Nov 15, 2014
FreeOfPge Honestly, I don't get your post at all. You appear to have taken these photos at an event. Did you go to an event, nit pick, take pictures and come here to complain? Sorry if I'm wrong, but this is how it appears - to me.
EDIT: This event? http://www.teslamotors.com/event/experience-model-s-windsor�
Nov 15, 2014
Vitaman I am driving around in a car that has a drop dead gorgeous interior.
It is two toned high grade leather (Cognac and Espresso). It has real Olive wood accents galore. It is stunning. Everyone who gets into my car comments on it. Even after over 2 years as a daily driver, I marvel at its beauty.
I can't wait to trade it in on the Model S.
Will the Tesla interior be as nice? Not in any way. Will the overall Tesla driving experience be as nice? Oh way nicer!�
Nov 15, 2014
Krugerrand /sarcasm on
I bought a BMW, Porsche AND Mercedes last week and I'm super disappointed. Wish I had test drove them before buying. Where's the instant and constant torque when I hit the gas pedal? Where's the frunk space storage? Where's the 17", intuitive control center. And what the heck do all these buttons do? Hey! What the !?!?! I have to fill it with GAS! How 21st century.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...
/sarcasm off�
Nov 15, 2014
Greenlight I have never been in a Hyundai but if you can compare it to a Tesla, I would keep your Hyundai
Have you ever taken a Tesla out for a drive besides taking pictures of you sitting in one on the showroom floor?�
Nov 15, 2014
Johan By the way the EXIF says the pictures were taken with an iPhone 5 exactly at Columbus circle in NYC. I call event, no owner this.
And his profile says he joined 1 hour ago. And is a Tech Co CEO.�
Nov 15, 2014
Joel November 1st Event:
Tesla | The Shops at Columbus Circle
Mods Please Rename Thread Title to "Non-Owner Troll Does Not Approve of Model S Interior Viewed at November 1st Public Event."�
Nov 15, 2014
artsci I normally don't respond to trolls, but do I try to keep both hands on the steering wheel when I drive, don't you? The arm rest is thus superfluous, even tough it does exist. Did you miss it?�
Nov 15, 2014
jerry33 Correct. A non-issue. No problems on long drives. As far as the interior quality goes, I've had several folks at car shows tell me how much they are impressed by the interior quality, fit, and finish. As car show enthusiasts are typically pickier about these things than the average person I'd tend to say that says a lot about the car.�
Nov 15, 2014
Denarius I use my arm rest all the time... Just need to slide your atm back slightly.�
Nov 15, 2014
jerry33 I was thinking of the door arm rest, not the centre arm rest.�
Nov 15, 2014
purplewalt The OP is simply another example of the antics some people will go to, just to post their negative anonymous drama on the internet in order to gain attention while "claiming" to own a Model S.
***The "flawed" frunk lid releasing while driving 115 mph being the other that comes to mind***.
Sitting in one (while taking pictures) nor driving one is not the same thing as purchasing and owning one.�
Nov 15, 2014
PlanB HA!....I wish I had an ATM in my car. You must be loaded!:tongue:�
Nov 15, 2014
Denarius Isnt that how all of you afford your Tesla? :biggrin:�
Nov 15, 2014
AmpedRealtor You are all clearly wrong. I think he is wearing a snuggie.
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ROTFL!�
Nov 15, 2014
GoBlue88 Yeah, these pics were definitely taken at an event. Lots of people standing in front of the car and Frunk lid open are two pretty blatant clues.�
Nov 15, 2014
ra-san I'm disappointed by the trolling, but more disappointed by the snide and non relevant nature of some of the replies. I do appreciate digging into more info on the event and truth of what the poster is claiming, but factual vs. supposition or just attacks on appearance, age, etc.�
Nov 15, 2014
astrotoy OK, so what does atm mean?
From Wiki
ATM or atm may refer to:
- Automated teller machine, a cash dispenser or cash machine
- Atmosphere (unit) or atm, a unit of atmospheric pressure
Contents
Computing
- ATM (computer), a ZX Spectrum clone developed in Moscow in 1991
- Adobe Type Manager, a computer program for managing fonts
- Alternating Turing machine, a model of computation used in theoretical computer science
- Asynchronous Transfer Mode, a telecommunications protocol used in networking
Organizations
- ATM FA, a football club in Malaysia
- Abiding Truth Ministries, a nonprofit organization in Springfield, Massachusetts
- Angkatan Tentera Malaysia, the Malaysian Armed Forces
- Association of Teachers of Mathematics, a UK teacher organisation
Transportation
- Active traffic management, a motorway scheme on the M42 in England
- Air traffic management, a concept in air navigation that includes air traffic control
- Altamira Airport's IATA code
- Azienda Trasporti Milanesi, a public company responsible for public transportation in Milan
Other uses
- ATM (film), a 2012 American film
- Actun Tunichil Muknal, a cave in Belize
- Amateur Telescope Making, a series of books by Albert Graham Ingalls
- Anti-tank missile, a missile primarily designed to destroy heavily armored tanks
- Apollo Telescope Mount, a solar observatory attached to Skylab
- At the money, when the strike price of a financial asset is the same as the current spot price of the underlying security
- Ataxia telangiectasia mutated, a protein kinase that plays a role in response to DNA damage
- Automatenmarken, a variable value stamp
- Awareness Through Movement, a group lesson in the Feldenkrais method
- ATM, a postnomial for Able Toastmasters from Toastmasters International
I got it, arm?�
Nov 15, 2014
Johan Trolling must always be countered by silence... or trolling!�
Nov 15, 2014
Canuck If he actually bought the car, he wouldn't write "This car had the..." and show us a picture with it at the mall. Nice try, buddy, but you'd be torn apart under cross-examination and walk away from the stand with your tail between your legs.
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Nov 15, 2014
Denarius Yes, arm. My iPad thought otherwise.�
Nov 15, 2014
kevincwelch Don't most Canadians use the Celsius scale anyway for temperature? Looks like this one is set for Fahrenheit.�
Nov 15, 2014
rocketdallas I've read some comments similar to the OP opinion, but find it strange. Okay, so the interior of my Model S may not be quite on par with the top level S class or A8, but it's of similar quality to my old E class and certainly better than the old XJ I had several years ago. Anyhow, it's plainly obvious the money is in the engineering (and stunning design).�
Nov 15, 2014
AudubonB Huh. I was convinced? it was that cave in Belize.�
Nov 15, 2014
AnOutsider 100% agreed, and those posts went off to snippiness. Troll or not, we can disagree or pick apart someone's post without stooping to personal digs.�
Nov 15, 2014
Mnlevin The moderator should just close this thread out. It is obvious a fake and a poor one at that! Very juvenile�
Nov 16, 2014
Hybris The interior is ok. Its not Porsche/Audi/BMW quality. (their premium models not the middle class models)
But its not a deal breaker. Would you trade your BMW for a luxury horse-carriage? Same thing here... There is no other car I want to own at the moment. But yes the interior is not as good quality as the competition, not talking the design but how things feel, materials, how they fit etc... Same with the exterior of the car, different parts of the body is not fit very well... The spacing or what its called in English is way to wide... But again its not a deal breaker as the car is light years ahead in all other areas! Just the point that it could/should improve to European premium level! ;-)�
Nov 16, 2014
artsci I've received many positive comments about the beautiful simplicity of the interior design. It reflects the "less is more" design approach which is often not popular or even understood in our conspicuous consumption culture, which puts a heavy premium on "more is more."�
Nov 16, 2014
AnOutsider I don't really think the visuals of the interior and materials used are the same though. I do like the DESIGN of the interior of the car, but the materials do leave something to be desired for me.�
Nov 16, 2014
ecarfan Well said, I agree completely. I will be very disappointed if in the future Tesla tries to make the Model S interior more like the Mercedes S class.�
Nov 16, 2014
darthvdr Tesla certainly is trying to provide more luxury appointments like the premium center console. Future cars, I believe, will have richly appointed interiors to address this concern.�
Nov 16, 2014
Hybris Design and visual apperance is not what I mean with quality. im talking material quality, how well they are fitted. How solid they feel etc. When I say premium quality Im not talking design and visuals. Think same design and looks but better fit and materials. Not so much movement when pushing things etc. Go to a Porsche or Audi dealer. Check a Audi A8 or Porsche 911. Check and feel the materials and the fittings. Check the spacing on the body, not almost 0.8 cms... Etc. I own and love my Tesla but this is an area for improvement. Again not saying to change into strange design or materials... That is not the thing...�
Nov 16, 2014
AmpedUP I've always felt the interior was beautiful. It reflects a style that is truly modern in a "form follows function" way. Unfortunately, it's not a style that appeals to the masses...the vast majority of whom would be miserable in a Frank Lloyd Wright home. I hope Tesla resists the temptation to turn this fine modern interior into some sort of gentleman's pub/cigar lounge/Lazy Boy showroom.�
Nov 16, 2014
Johan Well said. Cigar room is a very good description of many luxury car interiors. Not what I want in my car. I smoke a cigar every now and then but not in my car
I also feel there is room for improvement for Tesla. One nit-pick detail I've noticed: the push buttons on the steering wheel have teeny bit of wobble room, try with your finger, the move freely around something like 0.1 mm. They feel slightly loose. An example of the somewhat missing "tightness" of the interior details.�
Nov 16, 2014
Hybris Hmm... Seems impossible to explain quality issues vs design.,, give up...�
Nov 16, 2014
bonnie I think there are several different discussions going on here and it's causing some posters to talk past each other. I see discussions mixed together about the following:
- Interior design - openess with no center console, sparse look
- Interior materials - materials selected by Tesla for the interior
- Interior quality - how well put together, i.e., buttons tight, no looseness, well fit, no gaps, etc.
- Interior design, materials, and quality - all or some of the above
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An analogy ... if you're building a house:
- Design - house plans
- Materials - tile, flooring, paint, fixtures that have been selected
- Quality - how well the builder has put it all together in accordance with the plans
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Nov 16, 2014
jerry33 I get compliments on all three.�
Nov 16, 2014
purplewalt Er, as much as I am a HUGE fan of FLLW, actually those quotes would be attributed to Ludwig Mies van der Rohe: "Less is More" and "God is in the Details"
Agree with the sentiments however.�
Nov 16, 2014
Johan I get you. But think about it: without design change, if Tesla would just change the surface feel, texture and thickness in the door panels for example to a "richer", thicker and more luscious leather would this nit be a step towards the cigar room/men's room sofa feel that fits in a Jag or MB but nit in a modern vehicle like the Model S?�
Nov 16, 2014
M67v I said this before to unhappy Tesla owners and I'll say it again.
If you don't like your Tesla, you could just gave it to me.�
Nov 16, 2014
Johan We love 'em. We just want them to be all they can be. A better version of itself. Also, if you beat your oponents on 9/10 important variables why be satisfied and not try to beat them on the 10 variable as well (interior quality)???�
Nov 16, 2014
M67v Maybe, but who cares since it's the best car.�
Nov 16, 2014
Johan Don't you get it? You get to being the best in 9/10 categories by caring deeply about bein the best in all 10, not by being satisfied.�
Nov 16, 2014
Dborn I don't have my car yet (but SOON). However, whenever i looked for a car in the past, one of the first things i would do is open and close the doors. If one felt a solid "thunk" vs a tinny "slap", this was, to me, an indication of quality. This is totally aside from the appearance or brand. It is much the same with furniture for me. I will always open a drawer to see if it is put together with dovetail joints or otherwise cheaply tacked together. Another indication of quality over simply design.
Does this help your definition?�
Nov 16, 2014
Johan I understand your definition well, and agree with you. But you can't separate design from quality. Did you know many of the big car manufacturers use hundreds of hours on designing door that give that big, solid, thight thunk we like? They get the best thunk by both ways of design as well as quality.�
Nov 16, 2014
Dborn Well, after the first month or two, most people are not thinking about which specific wheel design they got, rather what they see and interact with on a daily basis, which is the interior. Yes all the tech side is wonderful, but when you put your foot down in your turbocharged ICE, do you think about the turbocharger and how it is working or do you simply accept the fact that you have increased power and can accelerate faster? Personally, my annoyance with my current Mercedes is that while it has electric seats, there is no seat memory, so when another family member drives it, it is a pain in the tush to get it back the way i want it. On a daily basis, that is more important to me than the the underlying tech, which is quite good.
So, Yes, while i cannot personally comment on the Model S yet, If indeed there is a materials used quality issue, then, at the price point of the vehicle, people have a right to be annoyed. (I know all about the wonderful tech and the fabulous driving experience - i have had my reservation in now for 3 3/4 years, and have been on the forums all that time!!)�
Nov 16, 2014
Surge74 The arm rest is there, but it's so far back it's more like an elbow rest. I have never been in a car with such a poor armrest!
* some of you took this quite personally� perhaps I hit a nerve and you don't want to acknowledge the facts?
Yes, I took the pictures at Columbus Circle in NYC. Not because I don't have the car, but because I was traveling and there it was.
I honestly have better things to do with my time, and taking the photos of the car in a well lit area (vs. my garage) was just more convenient.
I will try to get out of the car and get something else.
There really is no real innovation in this car at all.
It uses off the shelf batteries with a conventional steel/aluminum structure.
The 17" screen is an iPad knockoff, with latency and a slow internet connection. And I'd rather have some buttons to give feedback. It's dangerous to be looking at this screen while doing 100 mph.
I fell for the hype and bought is sight unseen. Big mistake.
I'm posting here to tell potential buyers to really evaluate the car and look at things like interior material quality, rather than assume it's in the league of the Germans/Japanese; because it's clearly not.�
Nov 16, 2014
Surge74 Absolutely!�
Nov 16, 2014
Archer First you complained about the interior. Now the battery technology is not innovative? The screen is an iPad knockoff? Your garage is too dark to take pictures? You bought site unseen? But the first time you had a chance to take pictures of your disappointment in the car is at a Tesla event? You are full of BS, Tech Co CEO. Give us your VIN and prove us wrong. Otherwise take your trolling elsewhere.�
Nov 16, 2014
jerry33 There are two schools of thought about this. People have told me they like the leather on there because it's not as coarse as other cars. So it's a matter of taste rather than quality.�
Nov 16, 2014
ecarfan @Surge74 is just a troll who doesn't own a Model S and joined the forum yesterday. His comments are irrational. Just ignore him...�
Nov 16, 2014
svp6 I am sure that with so much disappointment you have decided to sell your car. Perhaps you could post a link to your listing on cars.com / ebay / craiglist / Tesla forum. We could then direct interested buyers your way:wink:�
Nov 16, 2014
Majerus What kind of person is driving 100mph regularly, and on top of that dumb enough to fiddle with controls while doing that speed?�
Nov 16, 2014
Ed Chan What Canadian speaks in MPH? Stop feeding the troll.�
Nov 16, 2014
purplewalt Seems he just circled back to dig a deeper hole for himself.
Either he provides a valid VIN or the whole episode (especially his comments) is utter BS and indicates his need for attention.�
Nov 16, 2014
Merrill Me too, study architecture and he was so forward thinking and clean design. We have a county civic center he designed in the 60's that fits into the hills and was thought to be very controversial in the day. Still looks futuristic and one of the most beautiful buildings in the area. Similar to the interior of the Model S.�
Nov 16, 2014
randrave I can't take seriously complaints about the tech in the Tesla from someone running around with a two-year old iPhone.�
Nov 16, 2014
Tedkidd Lol.
So post the car for sale here, let us have a look.�
Nov 17, 2014
Notacarguy Why would anyone spend that much money on a car without checking those things out before hand. It almost sounds....UNBELIEVABLE.�
Nov 17, 2014
GreenT So this troll has managed to sucker us (yes, me too) into 7 pages?�
Nov 17, 2014
Andyw2100 Fully recognizing the troll for what he is, he has raised a concern that I'm hoping you guys who actually have the car will alleviate for me: a real person with a real vin number and a real order of a P85D who really did buy the car sight unseen. Is there any validity to the concern about the arm rest being a bit far back? I'll probably add the center console later, but on advice read here, want to try things with the open space first, and may be stuck console-less for some time, as I definitely do want my console to match my interior, so I am on the waiting list for the obeche-matte console. I know that I like to rest my right arm on my current console. In the main picture of the interior on the tesla site, there is an image that shows the center armrest and cup holders. Does the leather portion slide forward to cover those cup holders if you're not using them? If so, I expect I have nothing to worry about. If not, is resting your arm on unevenly on the leather and the empty cup holders uncomfortable?
Thanks!
Edit: I just searched for photos, and found some that look like the cupholders must be covered. Assuming so, the question then remains, is the armrest comfortable, and set forward enough?�
Nov 17, 2014
SteveS0353 Yes, the center armrests slide forward to cover the cup holders when they are not being used. I find the center armrest comfortable, albeit a little further back than previous ICE sedans.�
Nov 17, 2014
Merrill As has been said many times, if you drive with both hands on the steering wheel you really do not use the arm rest. Having said that I do find myself resting my right arm down some times but usually not while driving. The cup holders are covered, and if you really use cup holders those are not placed very well, so the center consol would be a good thing to have.�
Nov 17, 2014
Stoneymonster They do slide forward, and this is the first time after being on this forum for two years that I've seen anyone, real or imaginary, complain about the armrest.
And we complain a lot here.
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Nov 17, 2014
AnOutsider Actually, I do believe there has been a lot of complaints about the armrest (here's one: The center armrest is too far back!!). "Hands at 10 and 2" is hardly a valid excuse either, because well, what do we have armrests for then?
The the question, for me, the armrests are awkward in that if you use the cupholders then it becomes uncomfortable to rest your arm. With them slid closed though, I find them perfectly acceptable, even if a bit far back.�
Nov 17, 2014
jkliu47
With autopilot - it seems to me there will soon be more Tesla drivers looking for a comfortable armrest.:biggrin:�
Nov 17, 2014
Stoneymonster I stand corrected. How's this? I've never seen anyone complain about the...... never mind, I got nothing.�
Nov 17, 2014
Kalud OP, in all seriousness, you should get a test drive asap. You clearly didn't.�
Nov 17, 2014
morbot People tend to respond poorly to lying trolls.
Traveling for business no doubt, you must tell me where you buy your business sweat-pants busyman. I know I probably won't have the time to pull my phone out of my pocket and take some pictures of the actual car I own to share with friends/family when it arrives. Who can be bothered for such things... you've got an internet to troll!
Yeah, notice how they get the exact same range and performance as every other electric car? They really dropped the ball on that battery. And as far as I can tell, they didn't invent a single new alloy or element to be used in the construction of this vehicle? What kind of lazy car company are they?
Aside from it having a touch screen, which nearly ever device does these days... how is it anything like an iPad?
Then maybe you should look at a car that has buttons. And what exactly is safe about going 100mph on public roads in the first place?
Then the problem is with you, not with the car.
Most people (except you it seems) know to do research on a purchase of this magnitude before buying.
If you want to post legitimate concerns, you can do that... but you come in here posting pictures of a car that isn't yours, and making ludicrous claims like you cannot be bothered to take pictures of your own car, or that you bought it fully loaded sight unseen and everyone is going to assume you're a liar and a troll.
There are plenty of threads here where people are having legitimate discussions about what they feel are issues with this car. Not everyone loves the interior it is true. But it seems you're not interested in legitimate discussion, just lies and trolling.
Yes there are some people who bought the car sight unseen. And I'm sure they did plenty of research. Hell if I couldn't do a test drive in my home state I would've taken a weekend trip down to LA or some area where I could've. If you can afford to buy the car sight unseen, you can afford a quick weekender to a place where they're available to test drive.�
Nov 17, 2014
AmpedRealtor Stupid, moronic troll people come here all the time and try to make outlandish and completely false claims about this car. I appreciate the vetting that takes place here and at TM forums. It's nice to know that idiot trolls will be brought down by the community.
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My response went to snippiness but I made no "personal digs" other than to ask questions about the OP's motives. I think we may be getting a little overly sensitive around here. Yet no posts that actually called the OP a "troll" - arguably a personal attack - went to snippiness. Double standard?
EDIT - never mind, I got confused with another thread. Need more coffee.�
Nov 17, 2014
AnOutsider Which response is that? I moved 3 posts, none of which were by "AmpedRealtor" unless you post under multiple names?�
Nov 17, 2014
lloyds What a troll. No car, no idea, just wanted to stir the pot. Let's move on.�
Nov 17, 2014
AmpedRealtor Oops, my bad, I was confusing this with another thread. I clicked on the Snippiness link in this thread and saw my post from the other thread and got confused.�
Nov 17, 2014
sickfox Just read the whole 8 page. I hope the OP had his flame suit on. :biggrin: i felt bad. hahahaha well, not really. anything you post in this forum, good and bad, will be amplified. should have done his homework....�
Nov 17, 2014
morbot It's what happens when a lot of people are passionate about something.
Obviously the majority of this community are fans of the product, but I think overall people pretty good about weighing things equally, the good & the bad. You just gotta have a logical argument, and if you come in trying to flame or rile up emotion, it's going to backfire in your face.
Too many holes in this guys story.
- Cropped the crowd out of the photo along the funk (or is it just that white?) to hide that he was at an event
- Setup the photos as if they were his own car
- Has been too busy to get photos of his car (seriously, who buys a new car [any car, not just Tesla] and doesn't immediately snap some pics on their smartphone to share with out of town friends/family?)
- Only admitted the photos were not his car when he got caught
- Only posts on the whole forum are in this thread
- The absurd claims that he didn't know what he was getting into when he bought a "fully loaded" $100k car...
The last one is the worse. If his story is true, then its just about the dumbest thing I've heard someone do.
Ultimately, there's been plenty of healthy discussion about the interior and how some people don't feel it "lives up" to the price of the car, and other's who like it. It's not like its a taboo topic which people are going to flame him just for bringing it up. It's all about how you craft the message sometimes. He did poorly in that regard.�
Nov 17, 2014
skdave This clown got every ones blood pressure up. Not Good.�
Nov 17, 2014
tezco One of my friends is vehemently anti Tesla. It is all based on jealousy, rather than on fact. I've quit rising to take the bait, which really ticks him off. I'd suggest the same treatment here.�
Nov 17, 2014
gg_got_a_tesla Yup; just the right thing to do. I give such folks - who talk about battery fires, the long tailpipe, the "obscene" price, etc. - a disarming smile and a shrug and leave it at that. Does drive them mad�
Nov 17, 2014
mkjayakumar and of course he is going to one day discover that this car cannot be filled with gas in 5 minutes.. and when he discovers that he is going to get ugly all over again..�
Nov 17, 2014
purplewalt I have people in my life who also try to play that card.
I simply warn them "Don't poke the bear".
Confronting an untruth is a learned skill-set.
The Internet is rife with people who anonymously post drivel, while claiming some sort of credentials (ownership).
Yes, it is difficult, but it is better to tell the Truth than being run-over by a bunch of FUD.
The OP did not have a scintilla of truth or ethics in anything he posted.
I am glad he had an opportunity to actually sit in a Model S.
And he took a couple of photos to commemorate that achievement.
Whether the car meets his aesthetic design criteria for a great car or not is inconsequential.
Nor is it important if he thinks the car is innovative or conventional or hype.
The Truth is it is NOT his car, nor does he own a Model S, nor did he purchase it sight unseen, nor was he "price gouged".
His "regret" should be that he wandered onto this Forum while telling such whoppers.
And he is the one who got whopped.
"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free."�
Nov 18, 2014
GoBlue88 He didn't crop anything. He is sitting in a white Model S that has the Frunk lid open.�
Nov 18, 2014
AmpedRealtor Maybe this is the same teen-ager who supposedly smashed up a frunk after test driving at 115 MPH...�
Nov 18, 2014
R�B This thread still going?�
Nov 18, 2014
Kalud Its just waves ripple...�
Nov 18, 2014
bonnie It will end when something exciting happens to capture everyone's attention ... an X sighting, X event announced, Model 3 launch event scheduled, new Model S software rumors ... until then, this is probably it.�
Nov 18, 2014
wan888 I've got my car 2 months ago and I've experience roof leak and my door chrome lining loose. Tesla HK already replaced the chrome trim and it's still the same. The roof somehow no more leak but that makes me worry enough.�
Nov 18, 2014
bonnie Oh hey, LOOK EVERYBODY!!! A newsletter from Tesla about the Model X!!!
Model X Update Email 11/18/2014�
Nov 18, 2014
Andyw2100 I find it ironic that this well-timed post by a moderator has taken a thread started by a troll and turned it 180 degrees so that it now has people like me, who know little about Tesla's Model X, learning more about it! Well done, Bonnie!�
Nov 20, 2014
AmpedRealtor Welcome to "Made in USA" LOL�
Nov 20, 2014
SR22pilot More like welcome to a truly new car company that is still on a huge learning curve. Considering how new the company is I am amazed at how good the car is. If you need a comparison look at Delorean and Bricklin.�
Nov 20, 2014
AmpedRealtor I was just kidding�
Nov 20, 2014
PlanB lmao�
Nov 22, 2014
EchoDelta You did feed the troll and with a chewy fallacy
Armrests are a preference comfort thing not something that can be labeled objectively superfluous or not. I like my armrests on long drives even while keeping good wheel hand positions.�
Nov 22, 2014
wan888 Nonetheless Tesla is the only EV on the market that makes sense. Shame on other big manufacturers who have all $$ and R&D budget.�
Nov 22, 2014
Lerxt I agree that OP is obviously telling stories but....I totally agree with him about the way too flexible coaming above the speedo, this should be as stiff as a board, not be able to move 3 inches. Has anyone devised a way to stiffen it?�
Nov 22, 2014
roblab Why does it need to be stiff as a board?? It is there to absorb impact. Often made of styrofoam. It is not there to support anything, but to shield the display from direct sunlight. It does that admirably (except maybe from the sides).
I'm not worrying about stiffening it up. I'm afraid if I did it, it would look "Mickey Mouse", and sure as the world, I'd probably get it in the neck in an accident.
Quit trying to bend it.�
Nov 22, 2014
ecarfan Why would you want to do that? That piece serves as a light shade above the drivers display. It has no structural function that I can see.�
Nov 23, 2014
jerry33 I can't say I've ever tried to move it. I don't understand why anyone would. It's just a shade for the display.�
Nov 23, 2014
Krugerrand Well, and it's very good for venting. I've hand slapped that sucker a few times in my driving career and I for one am extremely thankful for the flexibility.�
Nov 23, 2014
EarlyAdopter My early Model S dashboard top is very stiff. Maybe they softened the dash up to improve crash test results with un-belted dummies (one of the test criteria).�
Nov 23, 2014
Notacarguy I agree. Maybe some of the other points are valid but why on earth would you need this to be made out of titanium? Are you regularly hanging on to this whilee you drive?�
Nov 23, 2014
romp Can't imagine that to be one of the test criteria. Even crash dummies would get annoyed by the chime and quickly evolve dexterity just to buckle themselves up and shut down the chime.
However, softer interior DOES make a difference in a severe crash scenario, even with belts properly buckled. I, for one, don't mind the flex. There are other things in the interior that could be made better, but the flex of the shade ain't one of them.�
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