May 26, 2015
Zextraterrestrial +1
but break traction and it is a different story. I do the same thing at most lights, it is safer to have a few (dozen) car lengths between other cars�
May 26, 2015
chriSharek Why do you think I bothered sharing this with the forum? Everyone wants me to "pay" even if it's with my time and convenience.
I did what everyone always thinksabout doing. I'm not sorry I did it at all and would do it again if given the choice. Life is too short to live by some super-subjective, highly interpretive, archaic law about burning out, which you can't do in a P85D even if you tried.�
May 26, 2015
ModelX I'm sad to see the pile on; I think we should all move on.:wink:�
May 26, 2015
brianman Incorrect.�
May 26, 2015
bonnie Nah, I don't think about showing cops my car is faster. I think about not wasting my time on silly things. But you showed him. That law will be changed in no time!
Do I accelerate? Do I take curves at the max? Oh yeah.
Do I choose my battles and decide which ones are worth fighting? Yeah. The battle you chose, imo, didn't prove anything to anyone. But it made you feel good, to the point that you took a selfie of yourself grinning away with the lights going behind you. Let's not play the game of you were doing it to take on "some super-subjective, highly interpretive, archaic law about burning out". Because you're not fighting that battle.
fyi - I doubt the cop wasn't working today. They just sent you away so you'll have to come back again. Major power move on their part, pulling those puppet strings.�
May 26, 2015
ibdb You Dont Have To Be Speeding To Be Found Guilty Of Drag Racing�
May 26, 2015
W0QR Yea, but for the interest of interest..what's an 'unsafe start'? You didn't loose control of the vehicle or squeal your tires. Seems ambiguous to me. You could probably win that in court. But not having your DL..ew, bad. And not having insurance, gez. (if you can't prove it they assume you don't have it).
Try that again and see if it flies in court..only this time with your DL & ins.�
May 26, 2015
TexasEV Yeah, unfortunately a few Tesla owners seem to be examples of the expression "more money than sense". I'm glad it seems to be only a very few owners.�
May 26, 2015
chriSharek Well, remember the Tesla Store went to make a copy of my DL and forgot to give it back to me. This was the loaner car - I didn't think to take my insurance card out of my car to carry it with me for that one evening! Believe me, I was ready to hand the cop my credit card since at least it had my name and picture on it! I didn't have ANYTHING else!
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May 26, 2015
ddimit
Bonnie +1 !�
May 26, 2015
chriSharek Yeah Bonnie, you are amazing!
Brianman, can you point me to a video of the P85D burning out? I'd love to see that. Thanks.�
May 26, 2015
bonnie Don't know what one Brianman is thinking of, but Leilani Munter 'was forced into it' in her P85. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152361596664371&comment_id=29726638&offset=0&total_comments=69
(You can see the first comment there from me ... )�
May 26, 2015
ibdb There's the Tesla Drift video here on the forum: Awesome P85 Drift Video�
May 26, 2015
breser I think it's easier to burn out with the RWD cars than the AWD cars, but that's just my perception, I've never tried to do it with my 85D.
I wish I could find it on youtube but Jeremy Clarkson once proclaimed that the fastest car in the world was a rental car. Let's just face it. The OP has just gone accelerated as quickly as he will ever will in a P85D. It's a real shame he did it in Sport mode instead of Insane though.�
May 26, 2015
Cyclone I believe that is the episode where Clarkson is racing a Blue, then Red (or was it Red, then Blue) Toyota across New Zealand while May is at sea on a custom sailboat. Clarkson really used Avis' insurance in that episode.�
May 26, 2015
breser Yup that's the episode and it was blue and then red.�
May 27, 2015
chriSharek These are all terrific examples of drifts and burn-outs with a RWD car. (P85)
As Breser correctly points out I don't believe a burn-out or even chirping of the tires can be done with a P85D. I'm confident that the traction control system is smart enough not to allow the slightest slip.
Brianman, you claim that I was incorrect. Can you provide such a video?�
May 27, 2015
breser I'm pretty sure there are burnout videos with P85Ds. Don't have time to look for them. But you have to use the slipstart option or pull the fuse for the traction control. I suspect the burnout videos of the P85s required similar efforts to achieve.�
May 27, 2015
AmpedRealtor I totally agree with this ^^
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Now he's an idiot? That's not a good way to speak about our law enforcement officers who risk their lives every day. You could have chosen your words a bit better.
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I never think about doing something like that. I believe someone who thinks about doing what you did has a fundamental issue with authority, and so finds a way to act out in some way against that authority. Perhaps you might notice a similar trend in your working relationships, in your life, etc., i.e., reacting negatively to people in positions of authority... your boss/manager/supervisor, your parents, etc.
This kind of behavior is rarely an isolated incident and it doesn't occur in a vacuum.�
May 27, 2015
chriSharek Wow. You are so far off it isn't funny, but I'll be happy to let your imagination wander!�
May 27, 2015
NigelM So the OP just did what the vast majority of folks here have done (seriously, more likely everyone has done) in that he launched away from a stop light....the only dumb thing he did (and it's pretty funny IMO) is that he did it in front of a traffic cop. The cop was clearly trying to figure out what exactly OP did wrong and talking to folks here it seems Chris didn't actually break any laws except for forgetting his DL. There was no danger to anyone and Chris was within the speed limit. And yes, the cop was clearly confused and managed a royal mess of the paperwork which (it turns out) he had to correct himself; LEO's are mostly pretty good around here but wearing a badge doesn't guarantee you'll never make a mistake.
I saw Chris this morning and he's a nice toasty golden brown already so it would be nice if we could give the flaming a rest now.�
May 27, 2015
AmpedRealtor Chris, please read this article and let us all know if the Chris Sharek in this article is you, the same person who was charged with three misdemeanors for "damaging public land with a motor vehicle, driving off road in a parks and recreation area and illegally entering a state park."
Is this person you?�
May 27, 2015
Max* That article has been posted and moved to snippiniess already. I'm not defending what the OP did, but I would respect his privacy and not dig into his personal life to uncover other things he may or may not have done.�
May 27, 2015
chriSharek This article has several errors - like it can't have No Trespassing signs if it's public land. It was not a state park - it was public land - and I was cited for $0 worth of "damage" to the land.
So, believe what you would like. I know exactly who I am.�
May 27, 2015
AmpedRealtor Now we know exactly who you are as well.�
May 27, 2015
LetsGoFast I would agree that this sort of thing is distasteful.�
May 27, 2015
NigelM AmpedRealtor: how about you post your real name and we'll see what we can dig up on you? Digging into someone's background from years ago is beneath you my friend.�
May 27, 2015
bonnie (It was already posted, Nigel.)�
May 27, 2015
NigelM I guess the mods took care of it before and hopefully will again.�
May 27, 2015
chriSharek To put an end (I hope) to this post, I went downtown today and paid the corrected ticket for not having my license.
Boy, that'll be the last time I share anything remotely funny, entertaining, or outside the "diplomacy of being a Tesla owner".�
May 27, 2015
ecarfan Since @chriSharek quoted the article in his reply post, the mods would have to edit his post as well.�
May 27, 2015
Pollux IMHO, funny post re something barely in a grey area, not the crime-of-the-century it has seemingly escalated to in some folks' minds. Didn't even break the speed limit. Most of all, went to considerable trouble to straighten out what would have been an unpleasant surprise for someone else. I wouldn't've even bothered with a comment were it not for the 16 pages of piling-on over something so minor.
Land of the free, home of the brave is becoming land of the google, home of the backbiting. Gotcha, you hypocrite / master criminal / borderline personality defective, you! Sheesh.
I just spent the past two days dealing with some of my daughter's problems, which turned out to involve police departments from two towns (very helpful people all around), a highly-dysfunctional birth mother, a stepfather, an eighth-grade dropout boyfriend, at least one person unknown who I'm still interested in identifying, the department of children and families, and a ton of completely unnecessary drama and attitude. There was even a P85+ "borrowed" at 4 in the morning for a refreshing trip to the local pond, ? mile from my house, which journey somehow consumed a total of 52 real-world miles -- an unexpected jaunt meant not to be discovered by this father, which wasn't even the main show. So on returning to TMC, and this particular thread, it's impossible for me to work up any sympathy for the outpouring of outrage.
OP, you're a bit of a dunderhead. But I bet I'd like you in person. And you've taken your TMC-hyped beating with pretty good grace.
Alan�
May 27, 2015
AmpedRealtor Why do you think I don't use my real name? LOL! j/k
This guy has a problem following rules and respecting authority, and I was simply showing that there is a larger pattern of behavior here. He's the one who broke the law in such a spectacular fashion to have articles written about him that are now in the public record. It's fair game as far as I'm concerned. It goes to credibility. If you don't want yourself researched, don't use your real name in a public forum. Done.�
May 27, 2015
NigelM Because you've got your own dirty laundry? ;-) As I have, as we all do. Just because you can do it anonymously doesn't make it right to dig through other people's dirty laundry; that goes to credibility also.�
May 27, 2015
chriSharek And the same thing should be asked of you . . . if you don't want yourself researched, then don't use your real name either. You obviously have something to hide. I don't - hence I use my real name.
I know who I am and what I stand for. You, however, clearly don't and hide behind your profile name. To each his own.
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Thanks for this post. You are absolutely right. I thought I was sharing a funny story - didn't mean to get everyone wrapped around the axle. I did something not so smart - right in front of a cop - sure. No problem. I get it. Lesson learned. But, I did have to go down to the courthouse, now three times (their credit card machine wasn't working - had to go get cash) and I took my son to learn that there is more of a "cost" than money. He completely understood and learned firsthand the true "costs" of such dumb decisions. I've always told him, the whole point is to make him better than me. He will be. I'm certain.
Then again, he was driving our Volt, getting credit towards his license, and also not burning gas. Good lesson all around.�
May 27, 2015
bonnie In fairness to Amped, Chris, you DID open the door by proclaiming you didn't have a history of challenging authority.
And in fairness to you (your snarky comments to me, aside .. but "you're amazing", too!), my only amazement has been wondering why you'd challenge a cop. And didn't buy your 'because the law is archaic' response.
This thread probably wouldn't be quite so long it was just owned as a really bonehead thing to have done (idiot cop, archaic laws, wasn't breaking any law = excuses). But I think it's beat to death at this point. No stone has been left unturned.
So let's all move on. Perhaps new photos of the X will be revealed and we can all flock to that?�
May 27, 2015
bonnie Awesome response. Especially taking your son with you.�
May 27, 2015
brianman Is "flock" the right term for a collection of Model X, given the wings and such?
Apparently for falcons it's "cast" but they don't really tend to group up, wild birds and all.�
May 27, 2015
bonnie You caught that�
May 27, 2015
dpeilow 
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May 27, 2015
puffer92407 Yeah its called exhibition of speed, but most cops are *&^()^%$ for the most part and have deep psychological issues. I have two cops in my family and know a few more as friends. they all have ptsd problems and authority issues. kind of sad really, love them to death but it really messes them up sometimes.�
May 27, 2015
Phil Gorski Birthday? Your 18th?�
May 27, 2015
BoerumHill This thread makes me think not too many know the story of 29 year old Elon wrecking his million dollar McClaren. His famous last words to his passenger - fellow PayPal mafia don Peter Thiel - was "Watch this!" And when they emerged unscathed, Musk told his partner:
"You wanna know the best thing about all this? I mean, besides the fact that we're late to a critical meeting with our VCs? It's uninsured."
We've all done stupid things. Bad decisions make for great stories (and lessons learned.)�
May 27, 2015
stopcrazypp For those saying flooring it on public roads is harmless, I'll leave this video I came across recently (it was roughly 5 seconds after launch when he lost control, so he was going about 80 at the most going by MotorTrend's numbers):
http://jalopnik.com/watch-this-c7-corvette-z06-crash-into-a-tree-1706493325
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1502_2015_chevrolet_corvette_z06_first_test/
While most would say it would be "impossible" given the AWD and traction/stability control of the P85D to lose control in such a way (and the tires wouldn't be struggling to get a grip like it did in that video), keep in mind the "exhibition of speed" laws are designed to cover all vehicles (many of which are not AWD and may not have traction/stability control). I would say there is some legitimacy to such laws.
On a drag strip, if you lose control in such a way, you crash into a barrier. On the road however, you may crash into another car or pedestrian. It is best to save such shenanigans for the track.�
May 27, 2015
BoerumHill There's a very important PSA in that article, right below the embedded video. I'd hate to see it overlooked:
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May 27, 2015
LetsGoFast That video is a really good demonstration of why wheel spinning is the thing that is the hallmark of successful prosecutions. It isn't nearly as amusing as my all-time favorite:
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May 27, 2015
Cyclone This is also why it is important to always check your tire pressure in your Model S. You never want to allow a 1.5 psi difference between the wheels!�
May 27, 2015
kuttakamina My 8 year old Acura shows tire pressures of each tire accurately. Unfortunately, Tesla doesn't. Isn't that a shame for a 100K car?�
May 27, 2015
wcfinvader *Correction anywhere from $57,000 to $120,000+.�
May 27, 2015
kuttakamina I wonder how many people buy a new Model S for 57K. Lets be realistic please, this is for all practical purposes atleast an 90K car.
Nice car, cutting edge technology, dedicated community, environment friendly and fanboyism I get it, I get it, I really do!
But don't tell me this is being sold at 57K.
The creative math on Tesla's ordering page reeks of a used car salesman with a yellow clip-on tie.
Lets do some reverse creative math.
Add sales tax, minus tax breaks.
Add the cost of clear coat/xpel etc.
The 1200 delivery fee.
Add the cost of your hourly rate * time you will spend charging on long drives + invconvenience of finding chargers.
Seriously, lets be realistic. This is NOT a 57K car. 90-100K is more realistic.
How much did you spend on yours?
And yes, for that much money, it is a shame that you have to step outside in the cold, take your gloves off, and check each tire, one by one, AT A GAS STATION!�
May 28, 2015
Yggdrasill The 70D has pretty much everything you need as standard. If I lived in California, I wouldn't have any problem with buying a 70D + metallic paint for about 73,900 USD after incentives and including tax and 1,200 USD delivery fee.
That is the lowest price I would consider realistic. So 90k is too high, and 57k is too low.�
May 28, 2015
kuttakamina Exactly! 74K with,
70D
all base options, not even tech package,
and not counting registration/plug installation/xpel/opticoat etc. etc.
74K is the entry ticket to this party! I don't know why people throw around the 57K number.
Gas savings are nullified by higher insurance costs IMO. But even if you count gas savings, IT STILL ISN'T 57K
And lets be honest, if you are buying a Model S, even if it is 70D, you will at the very least get the tech package, atleast 99.99% of us will.
MOST buyers will go for 85D plus a few options = slightly over 100K.
Even if you go for 70D, it's still slightly over 90K.
And majority of us don't live in CA
So yes, in reality, it is a 100K car, give or take! Stop throwing the 57K number around.
BTW, in Norway, 100K = 775K NOK (600NOK a year ago) bought you a decent car, but not a crazy high end car.
100K here buys you Audi A7, MB S430, etc. And EV benefits here are nearly not as good as they are in Norway.
Its still a nice car, don't get me wrong.
But people need to stop throwing around the 57K entry price sticker, because that is a bunch of horsepoo.�
May 28, 2015
Yggdrasill The tech package has been discontinued. After they rolled a lot of those features into the base model, I don't see any reason why you need to equip a car much more above base. Metallic paint is the only thing I would really recommend to a potential buyer that they should include. (Plus winter tires here in Norway.)
Also, most people don't do xpel/opticoat or the like. And a plug installation doesn't have much to do with the car, it will still have value in 20 years, long after you've moved on to another car. If you count the plug installation you could just as easily count the cost of the garage.
I think 85D sales will suffer with the introduction of the 70D. Those extra 15 kWh just aren't worth 10k. And while most buyers will probably opt for a few options, there's absolutely no reason why not to buy a base 70D for 74k.
A large percentage of Tesla buyers live in California.
I agree 57k is too low a figure to use. 74k-145k is more realistic.�
May 28, 2015
Cyclone Darn, my winking smiley wasn't explicit enough. The owner of the BMW M4 that LetsGoFast linked to posted in one of the Bimmer Forums a long explanation of what happened and included how one tire had was 1.5 psi over inflated compared to the others and how he should never had left the imbalance like that. It was a running joke on Jalopnik everytime there was a post about a boneheaded move that someone would chime in that the tire pressure was off by 1.5 psi.
From the last post on this link:
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1075458&page=3
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May 28, 2015
dsm363 $57k is too low but it was the old base price so technically possible. They no longer sell that. Agree most are in the $80-100k range.�
May 28, 2015
chriSharek Great post. Thanks for this. Lesson learned. cs�
May 28, 2015
LetsGoFast FWIW, I got it right away!�
May 28, 2015
anxman Echoing the sentiment of other drivers here, I hope that nobody tries stunts like these. We have powerful vehicles that should not be treated like toys. If I were the cop, I would have given you the full ticket simply for the brazenness and bravado.�
May 28, 2015
brianman Which infraction?�
May 28, 2015
AmpedRealtor OP opened the door when he stated he had no issues with authority and decided to come off as an innocent in all of this. Finding public information to address credibility of a poster, or to disprove something a poster claimed, is normal practice in this forum. It's done all the time, especially when we think we have a troll on our hands. It's okay when others do it, apparently.
Appreciate the backup, Bonnie. I'm surprised by how many feathers get ruffled over something as simple as a google search.�
May 28, 2015
chriSharek You are right. I am wrong. Can we move on now?�
May 28, 2015
AnOutsider Mod Note: Some posts got moved to snippiness. Clearly the discussion here is ruffling feathers on both sides of the fence, but let's try to remain civil and not make inflammatory comments (both sides).�
Jun 8, 2015
AB4EJ I like "spirited" driving also; I just don't do it in front of cops. When you "show out" in front of the police, you give them probable cause to stop you - they are going to want to check you for DUI, drugs, etc. They have to.�
Jun 8, 2015
chriSharek I have a Sheriff as a neighbor. Even he said the guy who pulled me over was just mad because I embarrassed him. It was all about his ego (and badge) versus mine. Got it out my system relatively unscathed. I'm happy for that. Next time will be somewhere other than right next to the cop.�
Jun 8, 2015
Drucifer I have to admit, it is pretty satisfying to sometimes put large amounts of torque down onto pavement.�
Jun 8, 2015
deonb Wow, I'm glad the Model X doesn't have crow wings, because that would be murder...�
Jun 8, 2015
brianman Boo hiss.�
Jun 8, 2015
Ugliest1 I get your main point - there are a few things that aren't included in the Model S that kind of raise eyebrows given the price. I agree (especially with tire pressure measurement!!), although someone on TMC pointed out to me several months ago when I made the gas station comment that one can use a cheap 12V air compressor and check/inflate tires anywhere. Since I had purchased a compressor with the car for *ahem* something that hasn't happened yet and I don't want to jinx it *ahem*, and STILL went to a gas station every week or so for the tires, I should probably post *that* on the "Idiot Tesla Moments" thread.
But I have to take exception to the charging time and inconvenience comment. Mainly because of the FUD that non-EV people have about using EVs. They take comments like that and use them as proof that there's no way EVs will EVER be practical or useful. I've taken a few long trips, and I've come to the conclusion that the time spent charging at superchargers on long drives (usually, 20-30 minutes) is actually a *benefit* from the "less fatigue" perspective. It makes a huge positive difference, and only adds 1-1.5 hours to the day. I remember TV ads in the 60's or 70's saying "Arrive Alive" by taking breaks -- yeah, right, who ever does that on an ICE trip -- I never did. But now that those breaks are sort of forced, I actually find them highly valuable. I now think it's a way better way to travel.
I've just realized this has nothing to do with the OP. Sorry about that.�
Jun 8, 2015
ecarfan Strongly agree, except that I find the time spent charging adds almost no additional time during an all day trip compared to driving an ICE.
For example, on the San Francisco to Los Angeles drive that I do a few times a year, charging adds less than 10 minutes of time to the trip. On Interstate 5 in the Central Valley I always used to stop for at least 10 minutes at each of the three state-operated rest stops to stretch my legs and maybe use the bathroom, make one of those stops a longer lunch break (I prefer to pack my own lunch), and then there was a gas stop.
Now, I stop at both Harris Ranch and Tejon to charge, and maybe snack at Tejon. I may make one other short stop somewhere to stretch and snack. I hate to sit for more than 90 minutes at a time.
Overall trip time is basically the same, ICE or EV.
If you are the type of driver that can sit and drive for multiple hours at a time, then sure an ICE trip will be somewhat faster. But that's not a healthy way to travel, and the time saved is minimal.�
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