teslamotorclub: Center console now standard part 1

Looking in the design center, looks like the center console is now standard. No mention of it other than the updated image. Looks like no option to *not* have it.

I just confirmed and am happy either way. If they include it on my car, that's cool. If not, I'll still be happy.
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cochese said: ?

Looking in the design center, looks like the center console is now standard. No mention of it other than the updated image. Looks like no option to *not* have it.

I just confirmed and am happy either way. If they include it on my car, that's cool. If not, I'll still be happy.
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This would be really nice. Keep it removable so the occupants have the option of taking it out if the situation arises. A 'transformer ' interior.
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If you look closely, it appears to be integrated with the armrest as a single piece. This would prevent easy removal.
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They updated the picture on the main page also. First new rims and now the console. I wonder if they'll be adding anything more noteworthy soon?

I think sales have been slowing and the M3 info bring all-over the place is not helping.

It also looks like the loan option is new. I'm pretty sure it just had lease and cash before.
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My opinion is that these new standard items were supposed to be unveiled with the rumored refresh but they have run out of the previous items or had the new parts available and started to use them since they wouldn't reveal the larger updates. Obviously this is just a guess but with the 100D info, the incentives running out, 2 new changes, and current exterior design being 4 years old I think many are waiting on the refresh.
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Hmm if the center console is now standard, do we get a free upgrade if we took delivery a few days ago?
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Now, all we need is a rear seat center armrest with CUPHOLDERS!
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What's next? Remember this is a continuous improvement line and not necessarily "new" model release. The car may just transform/morph into what folks would call a refresh over time in minimally impactful and supply chain matched timeframe

Cooled seats
Front door cards with storage
Nose cone and led headlights with new shape
Wood grain trim line (popular on x)
Additionally camera/sensors popping up for autopilot 2.0 readiness
And of course battery improvements
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There are bigger changes coming in the next 15 to 30 days.
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I like not having a center console.
Hope to order a 3 without one as well. If it's standard, please make it removable!
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JPUConn said: ?

What's next? Remember this is a continuous improvement line and not necessarily "new" model release. The car may just transform/morph into what folks would call a refresh over time in minimally impactful and supply chain matched timeframe

Cooled seats
Front door cards with storage
Nose cone and led headlights with new shape
Wood grain trim line (popular on x)
Additionally camera/sensors popping up for autopilot 2.0 readiness
And of course battery improvements
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I'm in on all these. I'm holding off on my MS order until my home remodel is done. These types of upgrades would be a cherry on the top.
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Console standard and new standard wheels are both excellent changes!

Looking forward to seeing what the future holds.
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CTShore said: ?

I like not having a center console.
Hope to order a 3 without one as well. If it's standard, please make it removable!
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Agree. I would hate to lose that spot. It makes the car look so crowded. Glad I have my AP Classic.
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I'm glad this is now standard, prefer a centre console. But I had though they'd use the opportunity to redesign the arm rest/cupholder design. Not the best ergonomics IMO, but happy at least it's now included.
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CTShore said: ?

I like not having a center console.
Hope to order a 3 without one as well. If it's standard, please make it removable!
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JenniferQ said: ?

Agree. I would hate to lose that spot. It makes the car look so crowded. Glad I have my AP Classic.
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I'm with you guys... The open space is way more functional than a center console. Including the center console, especially if it isn't removable, is a step backwards as far as I'm concerned.
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eclipxe said: ?

There are bigger changes coming in the next 15 to 30 days.
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You keep saying that... and yet, it never happens. It's not going to happen this time either.
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HankLloydRight said: ?

You keep saying that... and yet, it never happens. It's not going to happen this time either.
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But you only have to be right once to be able to say, "I called it."

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I'm scheduled to pick up my P90D from the Fremont factory this Friday March 25th (confirmed on Feb 26th)-- I would love to get the center console included-- I'm going to call my DS tomorrow to confirm (or ask) that they include the center console in my delivery.

When did they make the changes to the website? Has anyone picked up in the last few days and can confirm they go the center console included?
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Make the Auto Lift gate standard. Even cars under 30k have that. Plus, the Hatch is one of the largest lift gates too. Not to mention the amount of air compression made when slamming it shut!
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I like the option of the center console being a standard option, but I do with it were available without, or better yet, removable. That space is perfect for purse instead of the floor where everyone's feet go, or the seat so it can fly off and spill once a week.
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bredi said: ?

Make the Auto Lift gate standard. Even cars under 30k have that. Plus, the Hatch is one of the largest lift gates too. Not to mention the amount of air compression made when slamming it shut!
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That would make sense. But that also would render the "Premium interior package" useless for most people. That's why I think the option packaging would be significantly re-arranged.
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Can we get some before/after pics so I know what I'm looking at?

thanks
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SabrToothSqrl said: ?

Can we get some before/after pics so I know what I'm looking at?

thanks
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before:

After:

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hmm.. the center console showing on the design studio looks slightly different than the old ones that were ordered separately... the cover looks like its one piece, rather than 2 pieces.. and I wonder if that means the ones coming with the cars now are actually matching with the trim... or still in piano black only...
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tfung said: ?

hmm.. the center console showing on the design studio looks slightly different than the old ones that were ordered separately... the cover looks like its one piece, rather than 2 pieces.. and I wonder if that means the ones coming with the cars now are actually matching with the trim... or still in piano black only...
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You're right, I noticed that, I dissected the code on the website and found that the original image is still showing without the CCI.

They are however adding this layer above it by default

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HankLloydRight said: ?

You keep saying that... and yet, it never happens. It's not going to happen this time either.
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I've been consistent lately in pointing to late March-Mid April as a time for the major changes.

I guess we'll all just see in a few weeks.
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Tanquen said: ?

It also looks like the loan option is new. I'm pretty sure it just had lease and cash before.
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Loan option was there a year ago, then one day gone. I'm also guessing sales are slowing a bit. Just look at delivery times. But they are still a month, so that implies some backlog I would think.
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It's not just the 'console' part above the yacht floor space that is different. The stitching and the shape of the arm rests between the seats (behind cupholders) is also different. This looks line an all new one piece console, not like they just tacked on the removable floor console that was previously available as an accessory.
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This is a surprise. The X needed it but the S not so much. Not liking the fact that we will most likely have to pay for it with the price hike.
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I need to mentally prepare myself for the onslaught of things that new buyers are going to get that I don't have. I'm glad for the almost 10,000 miles I have had, but it will still take some self-control to not be a little bitter.
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Critics' cries of lack of interior storage have been heard.
Sadly I think the console kinda detracts from the model S.
The emptiness in the centre was one of the things that made the model S stand out and further emphasized the massiveness of the MCU, making the car it feel like a concept come to life.
Now with the console it just looks..... plain.
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Using an overlay image could signal that this will be a future option and not free. At least it means they are considering letting you add/remove it.
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cochese said: ?

Using an overlay image could signal that this will be a future option and not free. At least it means they are considering letting you add/remove it.
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If that's the case, you would think they would not have it on their live sales/configuration site with no options to omit it.
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rcarpen22 said: ?

I need to mentally prepare myself for the onslaught of things that new buyers are going to get that I don't have. I'm glad for the almost 10,000 miles I have had, but it will still take some self-control to not be a little bitter.
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That is the annoyance of buying a Tesla, happens a lot. It is constantly being update and things added. Just wait until you go to sell it.
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This kind of a weird question but has anyone seen one of these new consoles live? Yes it's there in the design center in a composited image, but until it actually shows up in a delivered (or demo) car, we don't actually know for sure that it exists, right?
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Yes, I've seen it live last December in a Tesla employee's Model S. It has a spring loaded cover like the Model X. The flip portion nearest the rear of the console is just grey to match the rest of the console so no "piano black" anymore. I'm trying to remember if it also had rear cup holders that popped out for the back seats, but can't recall if it did or if that was just the Model X.
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_TTT_ said: ?

Yes, I've seen it live last December in a Tesla employee's Model S. It has a spring loaded cover like the Model X. The flip portion nearest the rear of the console is just grey to match the rest of the console so no "piano black" anymore. I'm trying to remember if it also had rear cup holders that popped out for the back seats, but can't recall if it did or if that was just the Model X.
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Here's a video, what they did is essentially take the center console off the X and put in the S

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I like the center console. The Wife likes it without the center console so she can place her purse in the center and not have it by her feet where it always getting kicked and content is spilled.

Would be great if it was removable. I agree with bmah that it is not final until we see it in a 2016 delivery. I will be getting my 90D next week I hope. I did get the new rims.
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This sucks, I love the open design. I really hope they don't make this the only option. The open area is fantastic for folks with kids, more space to put extra bags is great!
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rcarpen22 said: ?

I need to mentally prepare myself for the onslaught of things that new buyers are going to get that I don't have. I'm glad for the almost 10,000 miles I have had, but it will still take some self-control to not be a little bitter.
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Try having your car for 3 months then AP hardware being included at no charge!
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No center console was a stupid idea. Credit to them for thinking outside the box but sometimes that results in bad design. Guess Tesla agrees.
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Looks like a one piece unit

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Will it have rear USB ports?
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bmah said: ?

This kind of a weird question but has anyone seen one of these new consoles live? Yes it's there in the design center in a composited image, but until it actually shows up in a delivered (or demo) car, we don't actually know for sure that it exists, right?
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I have see one in an X and it's really nice. I have seen an older one in an S loaner and I did like it but I also like the open space of the yacht floor area.
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I prefer no console. Not once have I wished I had one and not once have I missed scraping the back of my hand retrieving something from the abyss between the seat and console of other cars.
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While I definitely am a no-console guy, I do like how the Honda Odyssey has a completely removable console. The big upside to that, aside from just removing it when you don't want it there, is that you can clean much better. Hopefully this console is removable or optional at some point.
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You cannot make everyone happy - console - no console...

but I like not having a console. It looks cleaner and there is no place to store useless junk.
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Well, what was wrong with the old way of both?
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jcobb said: ?

Try having your car for 3 months then AP hardware being included at no charge!
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I imagine that was a little sad. But, I will be in the same boat if AP 2.0 is announced with the M3. It's all good. I'll get it next time
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Here is the S without the new console, as e-mailed to me by Tesla a few weeks ago:

Here is the S with the new console, which you can see after clicking "Print spec sheet" right now (though the quality is low):

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The rear headrests look taller in the new picture. At first I thought it was the angle of the shot but looking at the proportions of how much head rest is below the top of the seat level vs above the top of the seat level, it's definitely taller.
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eye.surgeon said: ?

No center console was a stupid idea. Credit to them for thinking outside the box but sometimes that results in bad design. Guess Tesla agrees.
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Maybe for you, but many of us liked the open design which was consistent with the minimalist interior of the Model S. People who wanted a console could add it. Most do not need one when they stopped to think about it-- we don't carry maps, cassette tapes, CDs, or change in our cars any more. Glasses fit easily in the shelf under the MCU. Adding the console is another step in the homogenization of the Model S, like moving the battery meter off to the corner and replacing it with the more familiar but less useful odometer. It's to appeal to the masses who are cross-shopping it with ICEs rather than to the early adopter tech types, unfortunately.
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_TTT_ said: ?

The rear headrests look taller in the new picture. At first I thought it was the angle of the shot but looking at the proportions of how much head rest is below the top of the seat level vs above the top of the seat level, it's definitely taller.
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Interesting observation. To my eye, you are correct. Hmmm...
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_TTT_ said: ?

The rear headrests look taller in the new picture. At first I thought it was the angle of the shot but looking at the proportions of how much head rest is below the top of the seat level vs above the top of the seat level, it's definitely taller.
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The center headrest also appears to be shorter than the outside (presumably for visibility), which supports the theory that there might be a change.
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Personally don't like the center console but agree that the powered lift should be standard. If I was thinking of ordering I would wait to see what happens in April.
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_TTT_ said: ?

The rear headrests look taller in the new picture. At first I thought it was the angle of the shot but looking at the proportions of how much head rest is below the top of the seat level vs above the top of the seat level, it's definitely taller.
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Good catch, that's interesting.
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ohmman said: ?

The center headrest also appears to be shorter than the outside (presumably for visibility), which supports the theory that there might be a change.
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Correct for both, the outside headrests are taller. You can tell by the inner stitched area, seems like a stretched version of the center one. You can also see that the center one has more space below that same center stitched area. Same size as the front seats.
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TexasEV said: ?

Maybe for you, but many of us liked the open design which was consistent with the minimalist interior of the Model S. People who wanted a console could add it. Most do not need one when they stopped to think about it-- we don't carry maps, cassette tapes, CDs, or change in our cars any more. Glasses fit easily in the shelf under the MCU. Adding the console is another step in the homogenization of the Model S, like moving the battery meter off to the corner and replacing it with the more familiar but less useful odometer. It's to appeal to the masses who are cross-shopping it with ICEs rather than to the early adopter tech types, unfortunately.
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Yes or No on the center console is a personal preference. It always reminded me of this. Look at all that open space with no clutter .

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eye.surgeon said: ?

with no clutter
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I see a lot of clutter. Look at all the stuff he has on the floor!
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I think the center console in our X is nice--especially since it's the car we take the kids in and we need a place to put things. However, in our S I love having the open space as it's a great spot to put my temporary things such as my iPad, notebook, lock boxes, take-out bags, etc. It would be nice if it was an option.
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eye.surgeon said: ?

No center console was a stupid idea. Credit to them for thinking outside the box but sometimes that results in bad design. Guess Tesla agrees.
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Totally disagree. Makes me glad I bought my Teslas before the change.
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I find it frustrating to see Tesla do this:
1. introduce the vehicle with something different / interesting
2. describe and defend the innovative new thing as part of the product character / design
3. <wait>
4. hear feedback to change the new thing to be more like old things
5. <wait>
6. offer a paid retrofit to add the old thing
7. take reservations for the old thing retrofit
8. demo the old thing retrofit
9. deliver a small number of old thing retrofits
10. cancel the reservations for remaining old thing retrofits
11. <wait>
12. introduce a new version of the old thing retrofit and make it mandatory on all vehicles going forward

Basically they've found a way to piss off everyone at least once, and most people at least twice.
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HankLloydRight said: ?

You keep saying that... and yet, it never happens. It's not going to happen this time either.
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Its going to happen, updated interior, updated exterior, new headlights and more cameras at the end of this month.
I dont understand why people have such a hard time with this. The S is 4 years old, most cars get minor refreshes after this much time passes. Plus the price is going up, No way to justify a price increase without improving the car.
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Regarding the head rests...I just checked in my 70D which was built in the middle of 2015 (with textile seats) and it matches the "new" head rest height in the picture above. So looks like the old picture (with no console) must have not matched what they have been building for quite a while.
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_TTT_ said: ?

Regarding the head rests...I just checked in my 70D which was built in the middle of 2015 (with textile seats) and it matches the "new" head rest height in the picture above. So looks like the old picture (with no console) must have not matched what they have been building for quite a while.
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I was just going to respond to your first post on the rear headrests but, you're correct, the taller rear headrests are not new. I want to say they were rolled out right around when AP was introduced as part of the 1.5 gen seat changes.
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BoldSharpe said: ?

I was just going to respond to your first post on the rear headrests but, you're correct, the taller rear headrests are not new. I want to say they were rolled out right around when AP was introduced as part of the 1.5 gen seat changes.
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No wonder they still looked different to me. My classic P85 is lucky to have back seats, let alone tall headrests.
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_TTT_ said: ?

The rear headrests look taller in the new picture. At first I thought it was the angle of the shot but looking at the proportions of how much head rest is below the top of the seat level vs above the top of the seat level, it's definitely taller.
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The before picture is incorrect. The rear seats went from the before picture to the after mid-2014.
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TexasEV said: ?

It's to appeal to the masses who are cross-shopping it with ICEs rather than to the early adopter tech types, unfortunately.
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Isn't appealing to the masses the point? Tesla wants to sell cars. I found the lack of console or other space to store my "things" to be a definite minus. Plus, to me, it looked silly having that big open space there. Wasted space.
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eye.surgeon said: ?

No center console was a stupid idea. Credit to them for thinking outside the box but sometimes that results in bad design. Guess Tesla agrees.
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I don't know it was stupid but it didn't appeal to everyone. I will say that the location of the cup holders was a pretty bad design. I'm sure I'll offend someone with that comment but I'm OK with that.
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Soundchasr said: ?

Isn't appealing to the masses the point? Tesla wants to sell cars. I found the lack of console or other space to store my "things" to be a definite minus. Plus, to me, it looked silly having that big open space there. Wasted space.
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Exactly right. Tesla is shifting its focus from early-adopters to early-majority. This happens with all new products and is a signal of product maturity. Early-adopters care less about missing minor features. But many of the early-majority users are cross shopping BMW/Mercedes/Lexus as demonstrated on this forum numerous times. They would compare the utility and creature comfort to the other brands they have owned. The earlier Tesla reaches feature parity in these areas, the faster can Tesla win over this segment of customers.
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tonglaji said: ?

Exactly right. Tesla is shifting its focus from early-adopters to early-majority. This happens with all new products and is a signal of product maturity. Early-adopters care less about missing minor features. But many of the early-majority users are cross shopping BMW/Mercedes/Lexus as demonstrated on this forum numerous times. They would compare the utility and creature comfort to the other brands they have owned. The earlier Tesla reaches feature parity in these areas, the faster can Tesla win over this segment of customers.
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Just because a few early adopters convinced themselves that they could make do with Tesla's omission of a center console and even somehow managed to tell themselves they preferred it that way doesn't mean the majority of people worldwide buying cars would agree. Obviously Tesla must have gotten more complaints for their missing center console / interior storage over the years than praise. Otherwise they wouldn't have made a center console standard for Model X (plus in-door storage) and now apparently even for Model S (which really took me by - pleasant - surprise). This bodes well for Model 3. Big thumbs up from me.
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But there wasn't a lack of a center console for those who wanted one. As the cars are built to order, I don't see why having the center console optional was a negative for anyone.
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We put ourselves on the wait list for the center console shortly before we took delivery in 2014. After two weeks we cancelled our waitlist order because we found out we really liked the open space. Is the console a bad thing? No, but I actually like the open space better.
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TexasEV said: ?

But there wasn't a lack of a center console for those who wanted one. As the cars are built to order, I don't see why having the center console optional was a negative for anyone.
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I agree. I didn't have any problem with it being optional. I had a problem with the fact that you couldn't order it with the car. For a period, it was necessary to make an appointment after you got the car to have it installed. That didn't make sense.

I think everyone would be happy if it was optional and it could be added to the car in the design studio. Maybe they'll get enough complaints that they'll do that in the future. That is the good thing about this company - they listen to the customers.... at least more than other car manufacturers.
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ed94582 said: ?

I'm scheduled to pick up my P90D from the Fremont factory this Friday March 25th (confirmed on Feb 26th)-- I would love to get the center console included-- I'm going to call my DS tomorrow to confirm (or ask) that they include the center console in my delivery.

When did they make the changes to the website? Has anyone picked up in the last few days and can confirm they go the center console included?
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I pick up mine Sat the 26th in Fremont. Mine was confirmed March 5th the same day as the official announcement of the new wheels. I know I'm getting the new wheels. I will post on Saturday night when I get back home if I have a surprise center console or not.
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ed94582 said: ?

I'm scheduled to pick up my P90D from the Fremont factory this Friday March 25th (confirmed on Feb 26th)-- I would love to get the center console included-- I'm going to call my DS tomorrow to confirm (or ask) that they include the center console in my delivery.

When did they make the changes to the website? Has anyone picked up in the last few days and can confirm they go the center console included?
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I'm picking up on Friday as well... 11AM in Fremont. Can't wait! Pinged my DS on the console and was advised that the car did not have one FWIW.
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anth2312 said: ?

I pick up mine Sat the 26th in Fremont. Mine was confirmed March 5th the same day as the official announcement of the new wheels. I know I'm getting the new wheels. I will post on Saturday night when I get back home if I have a surprise center console or not.
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I'm taking delivery in Fremont on Saturday too! Confirmed on March 14th. What delivery time did you schedule? I'm at 11AM. I'm not expecting the console but know that I'll have the new Slipstream wheels.
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Tampaukfan said: ?

Its going to happen, updated interior, updated exterior, new headlights and more cameras at the end of this month.
I dont understand why people have such a hard time with this. The S is 4 years old, most cars get minor refreshes after this much time passes. Plus the price is going up, No way to justify a price increase without improving the car.
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It would indeed make some sense to bring new news to maintain steady sales this year while they are announcing Model 3, but apart from this mere speculation and the fact that P100D is in the works, any other 'facts' on what and when to share here?
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Talked with my DS today and he told me new console isn't even ready yet and won't be for another couple of weeks. No model S vehicles coming off the line right now are getting it. I'll probably just get the after market CCI by Evannex .
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned it, and I'm coming to this thread late, but the pictures in this post:

Center console now standard

show seats that are different from any I've seen. There seems to be some suede like material on part of the seats in addition to the regular, shinier and smoother leather, and there is also a gray piping on the tan seats.

I can't seem to find any pictures like this on the Tesla website.
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Andyw2100 said: ?

I'm surprised no one has mentioned it, and I'm coming to this thread late, but the pictures in this post:

Center console now standard

show seats that are different from any I've seen. There seems to be some suede like material on part of the seats in addition to the regular, shinier and smoother leather, and there is also a gray piping on the tan seats.

I can't seem to find any pictures like this on the Tesla website.
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Those are the old "performance" seats, discontinued quite a while back.
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green1 said: ?

Those are the old "performance" seats, discontinued quite a while back.
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I know the performance seats included the piping. I didn't recall the suede, but I'll take your word for it. But why would Tesla be including the old seats in a picture of the new interior showing the new, apparently built in center-console?
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Andyw2100 said: ?

I know the performance seats included the piping. I didn't recall the suede, but I'll take your word for it. But why would Tesla be including the old seats in a picture of the new interior showing the new, apparently built in center-console?
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Elsewhere we also saw pictures of the old rear seats without the rear window blocking headrests, a.k.a., Gen 1.0 (pre-mid-2014) seats. Sloppy web work when pulling up stuff from the graphic repository. To carry on with the joke, the intern hired for the website never saw a non-AP S to realize the seats changed.
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TexasEV said: ?

But there wasn't a lack of a center console for those who wanted one. As the cars are built to order, I don't see why having the center console optional was a negative for anyone.
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If it had been a no-extra-cost option (as in "either or", like opting for no model lettering on the rear which is typically a no-extra-cost option on many cars) I would agree. But making the customer pay through the nose for something that the majority seems to prefer as standard never felt right. Obviously Tesla themselves seem to agree with that now or else they wouldn't have done it.
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dlv1984 said: ?

I'm taking delivery in Fremont on Saturday too! Confirmed on March 14th. What delivery time did you schedule? I'm at 11AM. I'm not expecting the console but know that I'll have the new Slipstream wheels.
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I'm right after you at 2
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AustinPowers said: ?

+1

Just because a few early adopters convinced themselves that they could make do with Tesla's omission of a center console and even somehow managed to tell themselves they preferred it that way doesn't mean the majority of people worldwide buying cars would agree.
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Time to get off your high horse there. This has to be one of the most condescending post I've seen in a while here.

You swiftly and simply dismiss other peoples opinions differing from yours as people fooling themselves. I have no problem understanding people wanting a console, but at the same time I wouldnt want one if I was paid money to get it.

Personally I partly bought the S because of the lack of a console made me able to rest my right leg while driving without it being prodded by a console all the time. As a tall man that is almost impossible to find in cars these days. I never even considered buying the console, and as mentioned I wouldnt have included it even if it was "free".

I will never buy a new model s if the console get standard(not that I really considered that anyway). A model x maybe as the seating position is different, but no model s if the console is mandatory and non-removable.

No console has turned out to be genious for us. My wife loves it as well as she fits her purse into it.
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darthy001 said: ?

Time to get off your high horse there. This has to be one of the most condescending post I've seen in a while here.

You swiftly and simply dismiss other peoples opinions differing from yours as people fooling themselves. I have no problem understanding people wanting a console, but at the same time I wouldnt want one if I was paid money to get it.

Personally I partly bought the S because of the lack of a console made me able to rest my right leg while driving without it being prodded by a console all the time. As a tall man that is almost impossible to find in cars these days. I never even considered buying the console, and as mentioned I wouldnt have included it even if it was "free".

I will never buy a new model s if the console get standard(not that I really considered that anyway). A model x maybe as the seating position is different, but no model s if the console is mandatory and non-removable.

No console has turned out to be genious for us. My wife loves it as well as she fits her purse into it.
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Lots of I's / us's in your post as well. So it seems we both have our own - personal - views. And that in itself isn't inherently negative.

But what convinces me that I am not totally wrong with my statement is the fact that Tesla themselves seem to agree.
They made such a big point about the "less is more" design at the beginning. Making the center console standard on their model lineup now seems to me to be indication enough that somehow - exactly because they listen to their customers - Tesla has more customers / potential customers who prefer the more conventional layout. Personal preferences of some notwithstanding.

Can't see what's supposed to be condescending in any way about a rational observation. But if you feel that way, I can only apologize to you. It was not meant that way at all.
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AustinPowers said: ?

Lots of I's / us's in your post as well. So it seems we both have our own - personal - views. And that in itself isn't inherently negative.

But what convinces me that I am not totally wrong with my statement is the fact that Tesla themselves seem to agree.
They made such a big point about the "less is more" design at the beginning. Making the center console standard on their model lineup now seems to me to be indication enough that somehow - exactly because they listen to their customers - Tesla has more customers / potential customers who prefer the more conventional layout. Personal preferences of some notwithstanding.

Can't see what's supposed to be condescending in any way about a rational observation. But if you feel that way, I can only apologize to you. It was not meant that way at all.
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You missed the point. Your post described those with a different view as someone who had fooled themselves into believing they didnt need the console. Leaving no room for opposite views being ratinal. Leading to your view being the only rational one. Backing it up with majority rules/tesla agrees only makes the point once over.

I restate that I have no problem seeing people wanting a console. Might even so that most people want it...

But that doesnt mean that those of us in the minority have fooled ourselves....
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You missed the point. Your post described those with a different view as someone who had fooled themselves into believing they didnt need the console.
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I think "to fool oneself" is something quite different than "to convince oneself". Which is why I didn't use the word "fool" at all, nor did I mean to imply that. Again, I can only apologize if it came across that way. It was not my intention.
And with "rational observation" I meant the observation that Tesla have made the center console standard. That observation is rational as it is fact. I never said there couldn't be rational reasons for not wanting a center console.
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CTShore said: ?

I like not having a center console.
Hope to order a 3 without one as well. If it's standard, please make it removable!
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I 'm with you. Love my no center console S85 from 2014. It is like a racing sailboat where when below (inside), you are looking right at the unfinished hull, keel bolts and chainplates. And it's FUNCTIONAL. I love all the things about the S that are not like conventional cars because they just don't have to be, and which show high functionality and design smarts. E.g frunk, hand closing frunk lid. Center console is a sop to expectations of conventional luxury car buyer, which I never have been (car before my S was a Mini Cooper). But hey, it takes all kinds to make a world. Might as well make the BMW/Mercedes/Lexus converts happy as well as me.
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I like the option of the center console being a standard option, but I do with it were available without, or better yet, removable. That space is perfect for purse instead of the floor where everyone's feet go, or the seat so it can fly off and spill once a week.
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HeIsAGod carries a purse? Whatever. The space is also perfect for seasoning with coffee when you inexplicably put your coffee cup down there rather than the cup holder because you are only going around the block, then accelerate a little harder than you meant to and season the obeche wood with Early Bird Medium Roast.
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HeIsAGod carries a purse? Whatever. The space is also perfect for seasoning with coffee when you inexplicably put your coffee cup down there rather than the cup holder because you are only going around the block, then accelerate a little harder than you meant to and season the obeche wood with Early Bird Medium Roast.
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Jerry Seinfeld: "It's not a purse. It's European!"
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darthy001 said: ?

Time to get off your high horse there. This has to be one of the most condescending post I've seen in a while here.

You swiftly and simply dismiss other peoples opinions differing from yours as people fooling themselves. I have no problem understanding people wanting a console, but at the same time I wouldnt want one if I was paid money to get it.

Personally I partly bought the S because of the lack of a console made me able to rest my right leg while driving without it being prodded by a console all the time. As a tall man that is almost impossible to find in cars these days. I never even considered buying the console, and as mentioned I wouldnt have included it even if it was "free".

I will never buy a new model s if the console get standard(not that I really considered that anyway). A model x maybe as the seating position is different, but no model s if the console is mandatory and non-removable.

No console has turned out to be genious for us. My wife loves it as well as she fits her purse into it.
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I think it's safe to say that largely speaking, people prefer center consoles. There is a certain contingent of Model S owner that is unable to see any of the car's faults for what they are and instead they simply write off missing options as "added complexity" or "a simply design". Things like the omission of door pockets, the lack of a real center console, adaptive headlights, etc are all glaring omissions and all things I suspect Tesla will address in future models and indeed they have as I believe the X includes a center console and LED headlights.

Do some people prefer the empty space? Sure. I don't hate it but I really find myself missing the console from my previous 5 series. I also feel like the current consoles (Tesla's included) are all one notch above a generic ones you can get from Pep Boys. There's no reason a $100,000+ car should have a console that looks like someone grabbed from the accessory aisle at AutoZone.
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Mike K said: ?

There is a certain contingent of Model S owner that is unable to see any of the car's faults for what they are and instead they simply write off missing options as "added complexity" or "a simply design". Things like the omission of door pockets, the lack of a real center console, adaptive headlights, etc are all glaring omissions and all things I suspect Tesla will address in future models and indeed they have as I believe the X includes a center console and LED headlights.
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I agree. This is a lot like the first iPhone. It was revolutionary in some aspects but "not quite there" in other respects (no Exchange email, no cut/paste, etc.). Apple fans thought it was the best thing ever invented and failed (or refused) to see that it couldn't do what a lot phones already could. The Model S is, no doubt, revolutionary in many ways. However, it is not perfect and I think even Tesla, the company, would admit that. Unfortunately, it seems that some of the Tesla fans would rather crucify people that are critical of the car rather than be open-minded to other points of view.
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Unfortunately, it seems that some of the Tesla fans would rather crucify people that are critical of the car rather than be open-minded to other points of view.
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It's funny, because I feel the opposite is the case. It seems (from my perspective) that those of us who prefer no console are being marginalized. The last two posts say that we are blinded by Tesla love, and obviously can't have a reasonable opinion.

I loathe door pockets. People in my family load them with stuff that's never removed except by me. I've had them in all cars until the Tesla, and I don't miss them a lick. Is that because I just think Tesla does everything right, or can I reasonably be glad they're not included?
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Internet high 5. The iPhone is a perfect analogy. It was ground breaking and unlike anything before it and yet it's most ardent supporters refused to admit it had any faults at all despite some obvious omissions out of the gate.
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Mike K said: ?

I think it's safe to say that largely speaking, people prefer center consoles. There is a certain contingent of Model S owner that is unable to see any of the car's faults for what they are and instead they simply write off missing options as "added complexity" or "a simply design". Things like the omission of door pockets, the lack of a real center console, adaptive headlights, etc are all glaring omissions and all things I suspect Tesla will address in future models and indeed they have as I believe the X includes a center console and LED headlights.

Do some people prefer the empty space? Sure. I don't hate it but I really find myself missing the console from my previous 5 series. I also feel like the current consoles (Tesla's included) are all one notch above a generic ones you can get from Pep Boys. There's no reason a $100,000+ car should have a console that looks like someone grabbed from the accessory aisle at AutoZone.
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Dont really disagree about any of the other points such as door pockets, adaptive lights, missing HUD and the horrible cupholder-placement among many nitpicks. But the center console is a feature I really hate in most newer cars as it makes my right leg go to sleep on longer drives. Driving the model s for hours has no such problem thus for me it is a definite plus and I honestly havent wanted a console there once.

BMWs are worst in class actually when it comes to me and center consoles as it builds out towards the driver(sadly much better room in the passenger seat). I refused to buy a 5-series wagon some 5years ago due to the center console alone. I really liked the rest of that car and oooh the comfort seats. Tested a X3 as well which was even worse with its center console.

My grief with the comment by @AustinPowers was that it was written as if no normal person could ever want the current setup without "convincing ourselves" that we really needed/wanted it this way. To me that convincing-statement more than implies that my opinion isnt valid and/or really isnt even my own opinion in the first place.

I cheered when I realised that Tesla had made it possible to utilize the space left open by the ev-drivetrain I needed no convincing at all...

At the same time I have no problem seeing that my long leg issues isnt an issue for most people
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AustinPowers said: ?

I think "to fool oneself" is something quite different than "to convince oneself". Which is why I didn't use the word "fool" at all, nor did I mean to imply that. Again, I can only apologize if it came across that way. It was not my intention.
And with "rational observation" I meant the observation that Tesla have made the center console standard. That observation is rational as it is fact. I never said there couldn't be rational reasons for not wanting a center console.
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I was somewhat annoyed/offended by the "early adopters convinced themselves" post. I put a dislike on that post (which I have since removed), not because I disagreed with you, but because in my eyes that post was unnecessarily abrasive. Thank you very much for clarifying with the follow-up posts. I'll go back to enjoying my console-less S85D now.

Peace...
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It's funny, because I feel the opposite is the case. It seems (from my perspective) that those of us who prefer no console are being marginalized. The last two posts say that we are blinded by Tesla love, and obviously can't have a reasonable opinion.

I loathe door pockets. People in my family load them with stuff that's never removed except by me. I've had them in all cars until the Tesla, and I don't miss them a lick. Is that because I just think Tesla does everything right, or can I reasonably be glad they're not included?
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Different strokes different folks man. I don't like the pockets either just like how I don't like the "oh sh*" handles. It detracts away from the cleanliness of the lines and design.
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After reading all the comments so far for and against, my original comment stands: provide the console but make it removable. That way, with hope, Tesla can satisfy all the people all the time around this issue.

Yeah, good luck with that one.
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so, I see that its visible in the design studio, but its not a selectable option and when showing the interior during the check out section, it shows the interior without the CCC. Its inconsistent at best, but more likely an option like what has already been noted - maybe its part of a package, and current drivers know how lacking the interior is with protected (from prying eyes) storage is in the cabin....it would solve a problem.

What is interesting to note, is that when you select the trim the hinged door remains a constant color - it actually looks like they might have finished it in the same leather. Given the fiasco that they have had trying to match the trim, this would make perfect sense and finally solve the unsolvable problem that they have faced with the MFG process.
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ohmman said: ?

It's funny, because I feel the opposite is the case. It seems (from my perspective) that those of us who prefer no console are being marginalized. The last two posts say that we are blinded by Tesla love, and obviously can't have a reasonable opinion.
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I hope I never gave the impression that I marginalized yours or anyone else's opinion. I think everyone's opinions are valid. I just think we all need to be mindful of others when we make them.
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aznt1217 said: ?

Different strokes different folks man. I don't like the pockets either just like how I don't like the "oh sh*" handles. It detracts away from the cleanliness of the lines and design.
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this response just begs the question...how often are you scooping up unnecessary items in your console-less trough? Before I got the console I found every few days something would get dropped in there and slosh around that by default didn't have a place to sit in the car, but wasn't deemed a trunk item....the "Ill grab that later" quickly becomes a catch all area. Just my experience, but Im guessing that Im not alone.
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No center console here. I wanted one at first, but my wife said that's her purse space.

And we agreed to wait and see if I can live without one. I got used to not having a center console.

I keep all my junk in the glove box. The trough area remains empty. The only use I'd get out of the center console is a normal cup holder. Otherwise I don't keep much in my car.
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Max* said: ?

The only use I'd get out of the center console is a normal cup holder. Otherwise I don't keep much in my car.
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Doesn't the location of the current cup-holders bother you? I have nowhere to put my elbow when I have a bottle of water in there!
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Soundchasr said: ?

Doesn't the location of the current cup-holders bother you? I have nowhere to put my elbow when I have a bottle of water in there!
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At first it did, but I've found workarounds.

On my daily commute, I bring a thermos of coffee and put it into the passenger side cupholder, so my elbow remains on the drivers side.
On roadtrips, we rarely have 2 drinks in the car, and if we do, at least one of them can be put in the trough (if it's closable).

Like I said, the only use out of the center console I'd have is a normal cup holder as the current design sucks. I can understand people who love the empty space (my wife), I can understand people who keep a lot of stuff in their cars (alright, I can't understand them, but I can acknowledge that they exist), etc.

I'm neutral to having one or not having one now, so if it came standard I wouldn't complain, or if they decided to get rid of it, I wouldn't complain.
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Max* said: ?

At first it did, but I've found workarounds.

On my daily commute, I bring a thermos of coffee and put it into the passenger side cupholder, so my elbow remains on the drivers side.
On roadtrips, we rarely have 2 drinks in the car, and if we do, at least one of them can be put in the trough (if it's closable).

Like I said, the only use out of the center console I'd have is a normal cup holder as the current design sucks. I can understand people who love the empty space (my wife), I can understand people who keep a lot of stuff in their cars (alright, I can't understand them, but I can acknowledge that they exist), etc.

I'm neutral to having one or not having one now, so if it came standard I wouldn't complain, or if they decided to get rid of it, I wouldn't complain.
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Humans are adaptive creatures, aren't we? If something doesn't work or is missing we somehow figure out a work-around and move on in life.
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Soundchasr said: ?

Doesn't the location of the current cup-holders bother you? I have nowhere to put my elbow when I have a bottle of water in there!
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I thought it would but my elbow fits just between the gap of the seats and the bottle space. Yes, I do lift, but it might also be because I have the same build as Elon and he probably crafted the car to himself lol
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skilly said: ?

this response just begs the question...how often are you scooping up unnecessary items in your console-less trough? Before I got the console I found every few days something would get dropped in there and slosh around that by default didn't have a place to sit in the car, but wasn't deemed a trunk item....the "Ill grab that later" quickly becomes a catch all area.
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What kind of items do you guys end up with? I think the reason I am a no-console guy is because I don't like clutter. My car has two pairs of sunglasses (in the cubby), a few microfiber cleaning cloths for the displays and my glasses, a small box of tissues, my phone, and in the trunk I keep my shopping bags. Mail gets dropped in the center but always comes in the house with me.
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ohmman said: ?

I think the reason I am a no-console guy is because I don't like clutter.
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That's exactly why I'm a console guy! I don't like clutter either and if it's all put away (in the console) I don't have to see it. Things in the console? Oh boy, protein bars, Taser, pens, pencils, cables, chargers, TicTacs, flashlight, knife and on and on.
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HookBill said: ?

After reading all the comments so far for and against, my original comment stands: provide the console but make it removable. That way, with hope, Tesla can satisfy all the people all the time around this issue.

Yeah, good luck with that one.
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Removable* is more expensive and potentially less safe. I totally agree that optional is the right path, but removable I suspect is asking too much.

* I'm presuming you mean "easily customer removable in minutes". If you mean "as difficult to remove as a 12V battery", then I suspect that's already the case.
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Soundchasr said: ?

That's exactly why I'm a console guy! I don't like clutter either and if it's all put away (in the console) I don't have to see it. Things in the console? Oh boy, protein bars, Taser, pens, pencils, cables, chargers, TicTacs, flashlight, knife and on and on.
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I bet your car is loud when you floor it or brake hard. That's a lot of stuff.
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brianman said: ?

I bet your car is loud when you floor it or brake hard. That's a lot of stuff.
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Never noticed any sound at all. It's in a console - not flying around the car.
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aznt1217 said: ?

Different strokes different folks man. I don't like the pockets either just like how I don't like the "oh sh*" handles. It detracts away from the cleanliness of the lines and design.
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Personally I'm ok without them, but my passenger side pano is constantly smudgy as my other half uses the roof to grip and pull up from the seat.
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Max* said: ?

On my daily commute, I bring a thermos of coffee and put it into the passenger side cupholder, so my elbow remains on the drivers side.
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I do the same.

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Like I said, the only use out of the center console I'd have is a normal cup holder as the current design sucks.
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That's the key for me. I have a Diono Travel Pal I use. It wedges under the cubby and provides 6 inside pockets. One holds chap stick, one my screen cloths, a third some business cards, fourth is a bottle of cologne, fifth is some napkins, sixth is empty. There is a zippered section in the back that I keep spare keyfob batteries in. The main section, like our raceway, has my J1772 adapter (though I could just put that in the glove box) and my Tesla hat. It then has two elastic cup holders that I regularly use for water bottles.
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Soundchasr said: ?

Never noticed any sound at all. It's in a console - not flying around the car.
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I meant in the console. As an example, when my J1772 gets "loose" in the glove box it's terribly distracting.
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brianman said: ?

I meant in the console. As an example, when my J1772 gets "loose" in the glove box it's terribly distracting.
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Well, let me clarify further - I'm driving an S550 presently (waiting to order my S for a little longer). I have all my junk in the console, door pockets and glove box. I've never noticed any sound from anywhere when driving. That J1772 might make some noise though if I had one in there.....
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ohmman said: ?

What kind of items do you guys end up with? I think the reason I am a no-console guy is because I don't like clutter. My car has two pairs of sunglasses (in the cubby), a few microfiber cleaning cloths for the displays and my glasses, a small box of tissues, my phone, and in the trunk I keep my shopping bags. Mail gets dropped in the center but always comes in the house with me.
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I may be OCD, but ANYTHING sitting there in the trough bugged me. If I was not going immediately home I had to make sure that things (even items like your mail) didn't look attractive enough for a quick smash and grab. Then things like a microfiber cloth, pens, a wallet and glasses - it doesnt all fit in the cubby - keep just a small flashlight and some papers in the glove box (plus its not convenient to reach over to and search through), and it fills up so,...it gets dumped into the center. The console was a no brainer - otherwise why even have that real estate.

My wife keeps her purse where its always been...her responsibility.
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brianman said: ?

I meant in the console. As an example, when my J1772 gets "loose" in the glove box it's terribly distracting.
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funny even the glove box is tiny - if this car didn't have an electronic manual Im not sure a hard copy would fit in there...and if it did, good luck on your connector sharing the space. i suppose you could always have it roll around on the yacht floor. though...plenty of room there
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Mike K said: ?

I think it's safe to say that largely speaking, people prefer center consoles.
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I think it's safe to say that many people who thought they preferred a center console are just as happy if not happier without one. It was a matter of habit from pervious cars when they needed to carry maps, cassette tapes, CDs, etc. that aren't used now, so they don't miss having the console. The open space is more flexible for carrying larger objects- - purse, iPad, etc. if I had a console in my Model S it would be empty. I wouldn't know what to put in it.
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