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Alpha Build part 2

  • Jan 20, 2011
    doug
    Just as long as it doesn't morph into that fat lipped grin that became part of the Mazda design language during Franz von Holzhausen's tenure. ;)

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  • Jan 20, 2011
    sjoshuaj
  • Jan 20, 2011
    sjoshuaj
    Perhaps something like this...

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    And in a lot of ways this mockup much more closely resembles the Roadster than the current Alpha.
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  • Jan 20, 2011
    AnOutsider
    Would they really have the battery exposed to the edges like that though? No sort of structural protection?

    Novel, but hugely impractical. If they are going to start offering customizations, I think they could focus elsewhere first (wheels for example)
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  • Jan 20, 2011
    Kevin Harney
    Yeah and if you look closely you will see that the door color actually extends BELOW the rest of the lines of the car so it would be the opposite of what you are saying.
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  • Jan 20, 2011
    Jaff
    I hope they lose the nose-cone in favour of an Aston Martin style grille...and make it recessed or even with the body of the car, not protruding out.
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  • Jan 20, 2011
    Kevin Harney
    I am not disappointed in the car itself. I am disappointed that one of the more complete Alpha Builds was not shown.
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  • Jan 20, 2011
    mattjs33
    I second this. It was very unique and bold that Tesla exhibited the bare Model S shell, so that all may appreciate the engineering. However, there would have been nothing wrong with also displaying a complete Alpha car (which they obviously have now) alongside of it. "Here's the car; here's how it's made." Many companies will display cutaways in this manner. With the high profile of the Detroit show, I do not understand failing to take advantage of this opportunity at all.
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  • Jan 20, 2011
    MDR
    Just a guess, but I suspect the interior is less than show ready.
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  • Jan 20, 2011
    Kevin Harney
    Precisely my point. Why I was disappointed. They are not as far as I would have liked.
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  • Jan 20, 2011
    stopcrazypp
    That may be it, but they also said that they haven't gotten to the point where they are ready to lock down the interior and it was subject to change. If they show a preliminary interior too much, it'll give false expectations.

    I think they made it clear most of the exterior is done, but the interior isn't yet.
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  • Jan 20, 2011
    Doug_G
    I'm sure they haven't finished building all the Alphas yet, so the ones that they do have working are most likely dedicated to engineering. Given their schedule I would certainly prioritize engineering over trade shows.
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  • Jan 20, 2011
    dpeilow
    There's also the question of are they ready for a flood of orders?

    The mainstream car press showed the shell, but the video has only really stayed within the online EV community. So it keeps us happy without making the wider buying audience think its time to get their credit cards out.
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  • Jan 20, 2011
    Tommy
    Photo of 3rd brake light on; I like how the light illuminates completely across the glass portion of the hatchback.
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  • Jan 20, 2011
    Todd Burch
    Uh oh. The nose is starting to grow on me. (maybe just needs to be a bit less glossy).

    Is that wrong? Do I have a sickness?
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  • Jan 20, 2011
    qwk
    Perfectly normal. I didn't like the 2.5 front bumper at first, now I actually prefer it over the 1.5/2.0 version.
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  • Jan 20, 2011
    trevorlsciact
    Well I think Elon wanted to be able to actually use the car, and i think it is no coincidence he has 5 kids.
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  • Jan 20, 2011
    howabout2
    That's quite nice. I do hope they return the light-pipe effect to the rear lights as well. The small clusters aren't quite as "cool" looking.
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  • Jan 20, 2011
    sjoshuaj
    Ideas for Model S

    Perhaps something like this...

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    And in a lot of ways this mockup much more closely resembles the Roadster than the current Alpha.
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  • Jan 21, 2011
    SByer
    I'd guess that part of the ordering of what got done was long lead items, which, I'm guessing are about structure and crash testing and road tests (I still feel sorry for the yellow roadster that underwent the initial pav� tests). 80% done in that order could leave a lot of interior unfinished.
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  • Jan 21, 2011
    Ipe
    That brake light looks quite cool. I'm wondering why it's not visible at 0:53" , when regenerative braking audibly kicks in (very cool!) and the side brake lights light up.
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  • Jan 22, 2011
    Tommy
    My hunch, when only the regenerative braking is engaged the side brake lights light up to give warning the vechicle is slowing down; when the mechcanical brake is engaged the 3rd brake light comes on. Very light regenrative braking probably won't trigger any brake lights, however as the driver uses more regererative braking the side brake lights light up and maybe even the 3rd brake light light up. I don't like folling someone who rides their brakes as it gives a false signal that the driver is really slowing down. Tesla is probably trying to eliminate with regenerative braking not triggering the 3rd brake light each time it is engaged.
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  • Jan 22, 2011
    howabout2
    That sounds pretty sophisticated and I agree that would be nice.

    But to clarify, I am referring to the rear-lights' light-pipe effects (see my post on the previous page). I wish I could find the larger photos of the prototypes that showed the light-pipe rear lights. They looked amazing. The new brake lights (not the third light, but the right and left brake lights) are a little disappointing in their overly simplistic appearance.
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  • Jan 22, 2011
    TEG
    I had noticed the same thing, and agree. We notice new Audi, Porsche, etc using that kind of lighting, so I was surprised to see that it appears to be gone on the Alpha.

    Watch this video of the old demonstration prototype:
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  • Jan 22, 2011
    Tommy
    You mean photos like these:

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  • Jan 22, 2011
    Doug_G
    They may not have eliminated them at all... they simply might not have been turned on (or even installed yet) for that video. I notice that the "brake light" core area is the same on the alpha as the prototype.
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  • Jan 22, 2011
    tomanik
    Given they are at the alpha I would expect some elements such as lights (and hopefully grills) are not finalized yet and they may have just made something work until the beta stage.
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  • Jan 22, 2011
    howabout2
    Yep! That's them. Thanks for finding some good photos.

    I too am optimistic that their disappearance is not a matter of being removed from the planned design but simply not being ready for the Alpha.
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  • Jan 23, 2011
    Cobos
    I agree that may be the case, but wasn't the exterior finished in the Alpha stage? Or was that maybe just the aluminium frame and aluminium body? I agree the nose has to change as well as the lights looked better on the earlier prototype. Though I also really like the high brake light in the window.

    Cobos
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  • Jan 29, 2011
    Tommy
    I, like many of you I am sure, took a snapshot of the Model S Alpha shown in the opening scene of Tesla's video of the alpha being driven to replace my previous desktop background photo of the prototype Model S. Much to my surprise, Tesla has released the "same" photo on their web site in their gallery section of the Model S. Except the photos are not the same; the "whiskers" have been extended and the hood line for the opening of the hood has been removed in the gallery photo. Both photos photo-shopped or real I don't know, but clearly the front end is still a work in progress.

    Photos for your comparison:

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  • Feb 3, 2011
    AnOutsider
    Hmmm, I'm not spotting the difference?
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  • Feb 3, 2011
    Tommy
    Look at the lower left air intake; the two horizontal bars have been extended accross the entire opening. Look at the top 1/4 of the black nose; the nose is not a seperate section from the lower portion of the black nose, the nose is now one piece rather than two.
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  • Feb 3, 2011
    JimmWilks
    There is a difference in the nearest to the camera headlight as well.
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  • Feb 3, 2011
    vfx
    You really have to blow them both up to see the modifications.

    The headlight change looks like a lens removal but it might just be a clean up.

    The white band under the door got darker too.

    And on the far left in the background behind the fence is Waldo
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  • Feb 4, 2011
    jtibble
    Hi Everybody!

    I'm a student at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, and we just had a trio of Tesla employees come visit to recruit new graduates. During the question-and-answer session, I asked if the nose of the final Model S was going to stay as that black plastic, and their emphatic reply was "NO". The engineer (who works in the brakes team) said that the Alpha car that was used to film the clip was assembled in an extreme rush (jokingly, he said they assembled it in a single day) and the video was shot entirely in one night, on Christmas Eve. He then said that the final, finished front would look really good, close to the original mock-up and show car. I'm going to upload the recorded sound bits to my website and give you a link when I've got it up to listen to. More details coming soon!
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  • Feb 4, 2011
    dpeilow
    They'd better communicate this because if you look at the comments section of their Alpha Build blog, there are lots of people talking about pulling their deposits!
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  • Feb 4, 2011
    Iz
    jtibble. Thanks for the info. Who would have guessed the Model S nose would be such a key topic. The original gave it a very appealing look, whereas the alpha nose made it blend in with other vehicle types. Reminiscent of the original Volt and production version, although somewhat less extreme :biggrin:
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  • Feb 4, 2011
    Jkam
    I don't know why everybody is antsy about it. After the alpha, there is the beta. Sometime after that all reservation holders are supposedly going to be given a chance to test drive one before they have to make the final decision. Some people are so impatient.
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  • Feb 4, 2011
    dpeilow
    This is why they were keeping quiet about Model S to date, you're never going to please all of the people etc. The danger now is they go back into recluse mode.
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  • Feb 4, 2011
    AnOutsider
    Agreed. If people are talking about pulling their deposits over non-final stuff (especially since it's not THAT major IMO), then perhaps they weren't serious to begin with (or aren't serious now and just want to make a big claim to get noticed). If the car rolled of the line as it appears in the pics above, I'd still be there, money in hand.

    Pretty cool, look forward to the audio.

    Considering how quickly Franz got the Model S design down, it's still pretty amazing that it still looks very much like the original. Someone above compared it to Concept Volt vs Production Volt -- I don't think that's the case in the least. Some changes, yeah, but at a glance it still looks like the same car. The volt actually had lines and such changed -- it was pretty major.
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  • Feb 4, 2011
    vfx
    Then they never saw them in person.
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  • Feb 5, 2011
    Iz
    I was actually referring to the discussions going on at the time production Volt was introduced and not implying a dramatic change in the Model S -- just forum postings. When my P#### is ready for delivery I will be there too :biggrin:
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  • Feb 5, 2011
    jtibble
  • Feb 7, 2011
    Kevin Harney
    I got an invite to the DC store opening the other day. I emailed the staff to see if an Alpha was going to be there or not and the answer was no. They will have the exploded view there and the prototype there but no alpha. She said the public will not be able to view or sit in or test drive the Model S until the Betas are out.
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  • Feb 7, 2011
    Todd Burch
    Thanks Kevin...I was thinking about making the 3 hour drive up from Smithfield to DC but after hearing this, I think I'll wait.
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  • Feb 7, 2011
    Kevin Harney
    Yeah I am close but not going. I have seen the prototype before so nothing new for me to see.
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  • Feb 16, 2011
    vfx
    Tesla beats expectations as revenue grow - SiliconValley.com
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  • Feb 16, 2011
    Tommy
    Per the article:
    Employees must be getting weary of the long hours and subsiding on delivery pizza.:rolleyes:
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  • May 16, 2012
    doug
  • May 16, 2012
    gg_got_a_tesla
    You time-traveled to the wrong year, Doug! Or, have you finally gotten around to getting pics off your camera's SD card?! :)
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  • May 16, 2012
    doug
    Haha, yeah. Actually I got those a couple weeks ago from the Menlo Park store.
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  • May 16, 2012
    brianman
    In the "things I learned from t.v. department" again...
    It's not a good idea to taunt someone with a time machine.
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  • May 16, 2012
    Iz
    This may be how Doug did it.

    big_bang_time_travel.jpg
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  • May 16, 2012
    Rumbles
    Because if you do, you have regretted it!
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