Thứ Sáu, 6 tháng 1, 2017

Model 3 Possible Configuration and Options, what will you order? part 2

  • Mar 22, 2016
    ELRev
    Not sure I agree with that idea either. I'd be thrilled if you were right. More for me. But most cars in the same classes as the Model 3 and Model S have quite a bit of overlap in price. Also,with rough math, using the Model S options as a framework, we're likely looking at $25-30k more JUST for the battery/performance upgrades. The P90D Model S is $38k more than the 70 RWD with nothing else added. I think a fully optioned Model 3 will be well into the 70s or 80s.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    viperboy
    ooo, I want to play! (copied prices from an earlier post bc I'm lazy)

    1. Base Model 3 [$35k]
    2. Biggest Battery + AWD. [$12k] (Maybe this includes performance?)
    3. AutoPilot & Tech Package [$2.5k]
    4. Upgraded Leather [$2.5k] Tan
    5. Paint Color [$1k] Multicoat Red
    6. Panoramic Roof [$1k] - Must have for S Florida
    7. Supercharger Access [Free]
    8. Upgraded Sound System [$2k]
    9. Spoiler [$1.5k]

    Total: $57.5
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    viperboy
    I disagree. They'll end up cannibalizing the Model S Sales:

    Just checked. A fully loaded Mercedes C300 4Matic Sport = 63960
    E 350 4Matic = 55600 base



    ok, maybe you're right but I don't like it..........
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    ELRev
    I think the key here is that very few people who can afford the Model S will look to purchase the base model. Tesla expects to sell more Model 3s. If that means someone buys a higher-optioned Model 3 over a base Model S, that's fine - expected even. People who can afford a "premium" car like a Model S - or, for comparison, a 7-series BMW or Lexus LS - they can almost certainly afford the luxury and performance upgrades as well.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    graphix25
    No reason for Tesla to not go nuts with the options as it's where all their margin lives. The build complexity is manageable because their options are pretty straight forward, half of which are just software settings. Different seats, headliner, bigger motor, bigger battery, different radio and wheels are all easily slip streamed during assembly. The base price for the BMW M3 is $63,500. If the PxxD comes in at that level, it sure will be tempting to skip all the the options and go with a naked PxxD. Maybe just a premium interior and wheels to go along with that will no doubt be crazy performance.

    Choices, choices.. Good thing we all have 18 months to think about it..
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    Az_Rael
    Being behind prior owners and employees might be a benefit here. Hopefully some kind current owner will screen shot the options for all the rest of us so we will actually have time to make all our decisions before we get let into the design studio.

    Hardest thing for me is going to be picking colors.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    Sp4rky
    Yeah, I'm standing behind my estimate of $23-$25k for the PXXD upgrade from the base model battery for the Model 3. I don't see it as being as expensive as the Model S because I imagine it would need less powerful motors due to the reduced weight to get it to crazy fast speeds. Of course, I could also just be flat out wrong. Who knows? Elon Musk, that's who ;)
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    MiamiNole
    Minus the bigger battery, we might be fighting for the same car! And we're both in Florida. En garde! (kidding of course)
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    Brad_NC
    Tesla would much rather sell a highly optioned Model 3 than a lowly optioned Model S at the same price point. The margins are better on the upgrades and accessories than on the base vehicle.

    Price overlap is almost a guarantee for the Model 3 P##(#)D with a few additional options.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    Tam
    You got it right about DC which means free Supercharging.

    Your main battery is high voltage DC. To recharge it you need DC.

    But household voltage is AC so how can you do it?

    The same way as your cell phone, your laptop.

    They have a charger that looks like a "brick" so you can plug it into your household AC.

    That brick inverts AC into DC so you can recharge your cell phone or laptop.

    Similarly, your Tesla has an built-in onboard charger so don't have to carry that much bigger "brick" around to plug to household AC outlets.

    So I hope you understand what an onboard charger is for at this point right?

    What if you can take a whole bunch of chargers and put them in a big cabinet, and I mean BIG, to invert utility AC to DC?

    That's what you call Superchargers.

    When you plug Supercharger into your car, it is already DC, so it does not use any of your onboard chargers during Supercharging.

    Does it make sense?
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    Tam
    It depends on what available in your condo.

    Some gives you a dedicated parking space.

    Some as an electrical outlet for you to use.

    An ideal one for charging is minimally 240 volts, 30 Amperes such as your dryer outlet.

    A better one is what you call NEMA 14-50 that you see very common in RV parks that supply 240 volts and 50 amperes.

    If you can only access 120 Volt outlet, you might be able to get away with it depending on the weather.

    120V outlet can recharge only about 3 miles per hour at best.

    However, when it dips down below freezing point, your battery may need warmth.

    So, instead of using the electricity to recharge itself, it may use that to keep itself warm.

    Thus, you might not get any significant miles per hour of charge at all!

    Most states allow you to demand a charging outlet for your car.

    You might want to ask your condo to arrange an electrician for 240 volts 50 ampere outlet called NEMA 14-50 (with your cost of course.)
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    Tam
    That depends where you are.

    If you go to plugshare.com you can see your options.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    Brad_NC
    Actually, the "charger" is inside your computer, phone, car, etc. The lump (brick) in your device's power cord is a "step down transformer."

    And if you've ever seen a Tesla Mobile Connector, it has a large lump too. As does the Tesla HPWC (except as this is mounted to the wall, the lump is on the wall).
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    Tam

    Thanks for the correction. That makes more sense now :)
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    Brad_NC
    Yea, and that's why you'll see companies refer to their power cords as "Power Adapters..." because they adapt the incoming power (110-120V @ 12A) to a level that is usable by the device you are plugging in (14.85V @ 3.05A for a 45W Apple MagSafe Power Adapter). This is also the device that changes from AC to DC, as many consumer electronics devices require DC power to operate.

    Just as "Aluminum" is spelled incorrectly and widely accepted, laptop power cords labeled as "chargers" is incorrect, but also widely accepted.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    igotzzoom
    I'm going to get as much as I can up to $45k. That's my max. Don't need a pano roof, AWD or 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. Just want supercharging capability, 200+ mi range. That's about it. I'll figure it out when I look at the options list.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    EcoHeliGuy
    Not at all, a lot of people want to achieve one of two things:

    1) spend less time at the supercharger as a larger battery recovers mileage faster.

    2) drive beyond the limits of supercharger placement. British Columbia is a great example the supercharged only cover a sliver of the province because they are presently along one main route out of the province.


    don't confuse location based spelling

    Canadian / American Spelling Differences ... Does Your Blog Speak to the Proper Market?
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    igotzzoom
    In terms of "range anxiety," I'm partially coming from an ICE context, but it's also a practical matter for me, as one day a week, I have a 100-mile round-trip commute. I could make an EV with a 100-ish mile range work, but I'd rather not have to worry about charging in public, and be able to confidently make it all the way home on a single charge.
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  • Mar 23, 2016
    pmich80
    Thank you so much for explaining it. It makes a lot more sense. So "chargers" like Superchargers, CHAdeMO, COMBO, and (HPWC too - not sure if this is included ??) are DC since they can convert AC to DC and bypass the onboard charger. L1 and L2 chargers use the on-board charger. Some L2 chargers offer up to 80V so it'd be useful to make use of Dual Charger option since the single on-board charger only handles up to 40V.

    I've taken a look at the plugshare website recently and noticed there is 1 L3 Charger near my house (5 minutes away) so I think i'll be purchasing the CHAdeMO converter to make use of this charger. I happen to live in Toronto so they're expanding the L2 and L3 charger network so i can make use of the Sun Country Highway chargers appearing across the country for travel in addition to the Tesla Supercharging network of course.

    My condo building is quite old but a very premium building. They have about 300 outdoor visitor parking spots for the 3 buildings combined. I think it'd make more sense if they created outdoor rechargeable stations (as opposed to indoors which i assume would be a lot more expensive) Ideally I'd want it in my current parking spot to avoid our harsh winters but I think it's a huge challenge and obstacle.

    I'm going to present the option of installing 240V NEMA 14-50 initially to them and obviously pay for it myself if needed. They should hopefully accept that Electrical cars are the future and should really step up. They definitely have the space with over 300 spaces of which half are never in use. Is there another standard/voltage that could possibly EASILY work that would charge faster and that a condo building could implement that would make more sense.
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  • Mar 23, 2016
    ModelNforNerd

    I'm a little curious about the colors, too.


    I've noticed in recent years, they've killed off some colors for the Model S (hunter green, which for some reason my wife likes). I wonder if they expand the number of colors available as they move into mass-market.
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  • Mar 23, 2016
    tga
    You've almost got it, except the HPWC is not DC charging - it is a plain old boring EVSE (see my prior post on page 5) that delivers 240V AC to the car's on board chargers.

    Also, you've used "40V" and "80V" - you mean 40A (amps) and 80A. L2 is always delivering 240V (nominal, ignoring commercial 208V 3 phase) - the voltage is constant, it's the amperage that varies.

    In the plumbing analogy, voltage is the "electrical pressure", equivalent to the water pressure in a pipe. Amperage measures the number of electrons flowing through the wire (think the amount of water coming out the faucet). Water pressure (in PSI) and flow rate (GPM) are different, but related - increase the PSI and GPM goes up. Increase the pipe size (wire diameter) and GPM (amperage) increases, etc.
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  • Mar 23, 2016
    jbcarioca
    I also think maybe I already did this, but:

    -largest battery, say, 80 kWh?;
    -tech package (including everything ever offered for S tech package)autopilot etc;
    -P, assuming everything comes as it does with the S, plus Insane, Ludicrous or Maximum Plaid as offered;
    -premium sound;
    -I assume it comes with Supercharging;
    -cold weather;
    -skip the sunroof.
    - MCR exterior, tan interior.

    What I am trying to do is replicate my P85D with a smaller package. I expect roughly US$99,000 or so, maintaining the same differential between base and loaded that exists for S and X, series 3 BMW, Audi ~4 and MB C-class.
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  • Mar 23, 2016
    pmich80
    That makes a lot more sense regarding the HPWC because the option to install the Dual chargers to work the HPWC allows the time to be cut in half. (meaning it must use the on-board charger). Is there any significant difference between a HPWC and a NEMA 14-50 if you only have a single on-board charger?

    My mistake, i meant to save Amps! not volts.. woops.

    Thanks for all the info @tga @Tam
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  • Mar 23, 2016
    EcoHeliGuy

    The NEMA 14-50 is a lot cheaper of an install and usable by other cars. If your trying to get it installed at a condo building NEMA 14-50 is the logical option.

    If your there long term, can get HPWC installed in your current covered parking space and can afford dual chargers then go this route.

    Also with the Model X having the option for a low KW or high KW single onboard charger. It's possible the Model 3 would only have a High KW charger anyway.
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  • Mar 23, 2016
    pmich80
    That'd be a dream... but logically I just don't see that ever happening in my Condo. Too much work in the underground parking to get it working.
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  • Mar 23, 2016
    LilWanFu

    That's almost an exact copy for me. The Cobalt Blue is mesmerizing. I purchased my 2008 Chrysler Aspen as a used vehicle in 2009 and it came with a sunroof. I didn't want one and two months ago, I paid $300 to get the dealer to clear the drain tubes. When it rained, it rained inside the vehicle--highly annoying. My daily commute to and from work, including the odd stop for lunch is only about 16 miles. Access to SCs would be a must as we travel to the Orlando area routinely for the theme parks and the Florida Turnpike has SCs at strategic rest stops.
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  • Mar 31, 2016
    laplasz
    My guess:

    Basic:
    50 Kwh, 200m, single motor, 0-100: 6,0s, autopark - 35.000$

    Enhanced:
    60Kwh, 220m, single motor, 0-100: 5,5s, autopark - 50.000$

    Performance model
    60Kwh, 225m, dual motor, 0-100: 5,0s, autopark, air-suspension - 60.000$
    ludicrous upgrade on P: +10.000$: 4,4s

    options: autopilot, supercharger

    Model S 70 Discontinued - Model S 100 introduced
    There will be solution how to fast charge Model 3 without supercharger - because of battery 2.0 technology - that is why supercharger will serve only S,X with shorter charging time.
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  • Apr 1, 2016
    JeffreyR
    Direct DC charging usually comes from a Supercharger. There are other DC charging solutions. Wikipedia has an entry: Charging station - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    On the condo front, you might have laws in your area that force condos to allow you to install charging infrastructure (at your cost). You only need an outlet. My condo already had plans for EV charging. I checked before I bought.
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  • Apr 1, 2016
    Seesaw
    Sunroof
    Leather
    Largest battery I can afford

    Not too fussed about enabling autopilot if I can do it post-sale instead. Could add it down the track to reduce upfront cost.

    Also open to keeping it rear wheel drive. Would like to keep as much frunk space as possible.
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  • Apr 1, 2016
    JeffreyR
  • Apr 1, 2016
    JeffreyR
    I'll try to keep the budget around $50K after whatever incentives I can get. So any of these that fit the budget in descending order of importance.
    1. Supercharger access (TBD if this included or not) [$2K]
    2. Largest Battery [$10K]
    3. Dual-motor [$5K]
    4. Panoramic Roof that opens (test drive video mentions: metal, all glass, pano that opens) [$2K]
    5. Autopilot Convenience [$2K]
    6. Upgraded seats [$2K]
    7. Slate Color [$1K]
    8. Turbine Wheels [$1K]
    I'm really hoping I can get to #4 no problem, and would like them all. I've put in what I budgeted/guessed the costs would be. If I am wrong by a lot, then I'll need to trim down.

    I am not bothering w/ a Performance version.
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  • Apr 1, 2016
    TEG
    Dang. If true, I will have my usual dilemma of "how do I get cloth seats on the performance version?"
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  • Apr 1, 2016
    AndreSF
  • Apr 1, 2016
    FirstSea
    Elon said auto pilot and supercharger was standard with the car, that's good. Therefore, my highest priority is getting the biggest battery I can afford and AWD. I might add more depending on the final price and tax credit if any.
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  • Apr 1, 2016
    doublejj
    I have mine reserved. I will order it full loaded....I hope it's around $70,000-$75,000:cool:
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  • Apr 1, 2016
    amb3rgris
    I know we've all got many (many) months before we even get a clue as to actual options and pricing, but I don't know that you should be counting on those features being included at the 35k base price just yet.
    Elon did explicitly say auto pilot HARDWARE and SAFETY FEATURES are included. If you are looking for the full auto pilot feature, the current consensus seems to be that you will have to pay for that.

    And the jury seems to be out on supercharging, with the recent change to the website description being "SuperCharger capable". So, we'll see if it's free for all M3's, free on higher spec/battery models and paid option to enable on lower, or some new arrangement (pay per time, subscription fee, etc).
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  • Apr 1, 2016
    ModelNforNerd

    safety features to me means auto emergency braking. the government made that mandatory last week for all 2018+ US cars. so makes total sense.
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  • Apr 1, 2016
    Hugh Mannity
    am going to go for the highest range and max # of options :cool:
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  • Apr 1, 2016
    JeffreyR
    @AndreSF RC's main argument is that once you start saving weight from 20% size and smaller battery pack, there are add-on savings. @Red Sage made the same point you did when I first linked to RC's articles in the TeslaMotors forum (volkerize "Randy Carlson" for articles w/o logging into SA). I think that the base config will be around 50-55 kWh. Where we could be wrong is if energy density by weight is a lot higher. Not sure that rolling resistance from weight is enough of a factor though.

    Elon did not mention his Cd target of 0.20 for the Model ?. Maybe he is waiting to see if they get there first.
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  • Apr 1, 2016
    Muhammad
    Long time lurker, first post. Owner of ms70d and sooon to be owner of M3

    Here is how I would sell the Model 3 if I were Tesla:

    55 KWH base battery: 225 mi 0-60:5.7 sec
    55D 235mi 0-60: 5.2 sec- $3000
    80D 325 mi incl Supercharging and Tech packages (More on that later) 0-60: 3.9 sec- $13000 over base ($10000 over 55D)

    Paint: $1000-1,200
    Roof: Metal: Standard
    Glass: $500
    Pano: $750
    Wheels: 17 inch- incl
    17 inch Upgraded- $1,500
    19 Inch- $2,500

    Seats: Textile-Included
    Leather- $1750
    Leather Sports (next Gen)- $2500

    Decor: Piano-included
    Wood or CF: $750

    Tech Package: Upgraded sound, 17 inch screen (vs 15), Cold weather package, LED headlights, cornering lights- $2000

    Autopilot: $2,500

    Luxury Interior: MUCH better interior quality of everything but the seats over the base model, power liftgate, premium interior lighting, chrome inserts around vehicle, "puck" shapped handles etc- $3000

    Air Suspension-$2,500
    Supercharging- $2,000

    Fully loaded 80D: $63,700


    Now comes my wild card:

    I always wanted Tesla to make serious performance versions of their cars, and this would be mine for the Model 3. It would still be slower than the Super Performance MS

    $70,000 Base for:

    P70D M3 Killer!
    Lighter battery that puts out more power (Supercaps?)
    More Aluminum construction throughout and weight reduction
    Distinct sportier look
    Better, high quality interior
    3.2 sec 0-60
    Performance that will last at the racetrack with special battery cooling
    Sports Suspension
    400 lbs wight reduction from 80D

    Options:

    Special 5 palette pain selection: Matte Black, Lime Green, Sig Red, Turquoise, gold
    Special lightweight 19 or 20 inch ($300 more for 20) wheel selections
    Autopilot $2,500
    CF Exterior Package: CF Roof. Spoiler, Body Kit- $5,000
    Ultra Sport Interior with lightweight seats, Carbon Fiber accents throughout- $1,000
    Carbon Ceramic Brakes- $5000
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  • Apr 2, 2016
    Seir
    Not needing huge distance (been driving a Leaf for 2 years now to get to work). Am interested in all wheel drive, a winter package and the autopilot features. Nice to have the full glass top and full access to the Supercharger network if that's really not included.
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  • Apr 2, 2016
    Tam
    The fastest rate for a Model S onboard single charger is around 30 miles per hour on a minimally 50A circuit breaker and up (NEMA 14-50 or HPWC.)

    The fastest rate for a Model S onboard dual charger is around 60 miles per hour on a minimally 100 ampere Circuit Breaker. HPWC.

    I prefer HPWC whether you have a 50A or 100A circuit, single charger or dual charger because it is stationary by design unlike the mobile connector.
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  • Apr 3, 2016
    TaoJones
    Tesla lending partners will approve financing after you've configured but before the commit deadline..

    Important features. Four there shall be. The number shall be four:
    Range
    AP
    SC
    A much better ESA for miles 50,001-150,000

    Clifford Franklin ftw.
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