Jul 1, 2012
medved PLEASE, VOTE ONLY IF YOU OWN A MODEL S OR YOU HAVE DRIVEN ONE!
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Jul 1, 2012
AnOutsider I have it a solid 4. We all know the shortcomings, but given all that, it's still nearly the only sedan I'd consider buying right now.�
Jul 1, 2012
SoCalGuy Solid 4 also. If the styling were better and the range were greater/lower charge time, it would move up to a 5.�
Jul 1, 2012
Jason S lol, I'm not going to vote based on a test drive.
See you in 3 months (hopefully). :tongue:�
Jul 1, 2012
Zextraterrestrial Rear seat belts need a tweak. + there should be a 1 year warranty on tires :biggrin:�
Jul 1, 2012
AnOutsider heh, sorry to disappoint, but I didn't do a full writeup on the car. I don't think my brain is yet ready, but I will post impressions and such as I remember them and begin to go through all the crap I shot.�
Jul 1, 2012
gg_got_a_tesla 4 it has to be, for now.�
Jul 2, 2012
ddruz I'd love to give it a 5 but have to go with 4 for now. If they satisfactorily resolve the concealed storage/console/cup holder issue and bring the interior ergonomic experience up to par with other premium sedans Model S will be a hands down, slam dunk 5 with the panoramic roof. IMHO the hard top would still rate a 4 regardless, however, due to its rear headroom limitation. This is one awesome car, just needs some interior design improvement to truly be the best car in the world.�
Jul 2, 2012
mcornwell Curious as to who gave the car a 1...�
Jul 2, 2012
PattyChuck T'was this guy.�
Jul 2, 2012
Larry Chanin For now I'd give the handling a 6, :wink: and the interior a 3. I'm looking forward to what Tesla eventually comes up with for the opportunity console(s).
Larry�
Jul 2, 2012
spatterso911 I am giving it a solid 4. For now...�
Jul 2, 2012
100thMonkey I voted before I read that it was own or have driven, so a mod can remove my vote if possible (sorry for that). I have ridden in a roadster, spent a good long while looking over an S prototype, but unfortunately have not had a chance to test drive an S.�
Jul 2, 2012
brianman We're unlikely to find out.
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Jul 2, 2012
AnOutsider in 2 years...�
Jul 2, 2012
Bardlebee In their defense. They probably thought 1 was best and 5 was worst.�
Jul 2, 2012
jerry33 A+ A B C D F is much clearer.�
Jul 2, 2012
dsm363 Can't you edit the poll options to read 1 (worst).......5 (best)?�
Jul 5, 2012
smoothoperator As an appliance the Model S is great; if you are looking for a car with with passion and character not so much. For a moment, I thought Tesla would be designing a sedan with as much character as the roadster; instead they designed a 4 door appliance.�
Jul 5, 2012
dsm363 Some people don't want character in a car. They want something that isn't quirky and just works. I love the Roadster but it's because of the powertrain, not the interior. Yes it does look much cooler than the Model S as well though. I'd say give it time. They seem to have nailed the powertrain, performance and maybe the 17" screen interface. The interior and styling revisions can improve with time. I haven't driven the Model S yet but will in Chicago.�
Jul 5, 2012
Zextraterrestrial
You have test driven the S then, yes?�
Jul 5, 2012
NigelM +1.
The Model S gets a "5" from me because it's an electric sedan that'll drive 300 miles with an awesome powertrain. It would have to be embarrassingly ugly for me to change my mind about buying it.�
Jul 5, 2012
rogbmw OK - shoot me...but kind of an unfair poll. Since it is based on first impressions, and probably nobody voting owns one yet, we may all have a build in bias. Plus - us just being here on this board demonstrates a heightened awarenessIt may be more valuable to wait until people start actually living with one and do it again.
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Jul 5, 2012
gg_got_a_tesla Not having the car in hand hasn't stopped us before from passing judgment on many aspects of the car�
Jul 5, 2012
AlexSV I honestly don't understand why the roadster has more character and passion then Model S. Maybe if we call "character" difficulty to get in and almost impossibility to get out? To have "passion" and "character" Tesla needs time. Tesla needs history. Cars with passion and character made the history. But not any car can make history with time. Toyota and Honda had enough time. No passion, no character, no history. Tesla has a chance. We will see the result.
And, any car is an appliance. They all do the job: move your body from point A to point B. But Model S, being basically iPad on four wheels, does it in style. So far we have 12000 extravagant enough people including myself willing to drive very fast trolley with iPad. Not sure that Tesla will find many more. But again, we will see. Very soon.�
Jul 5, 2012
smoothoperator yes I have driven the S, but I cannot talk about it here�
Jul 5, 2012
gg_got_a_tesla You are quite an enigma, smoothoperator; you seem to be neither an out-and-out EV/Tesla fanboy nor an EV-hater/troll! Treading a smooth (fine) line...�
Jul 5, 2012
rogbmw Agreed....:biggrin:�
Jul 5, 2012
bonnie Have you driven a Roadster?�
Jul 5, 2012
brianman Bonnie, you've driven both right?
If you have some specifics regarding the "character" difference between the two, I'd be interested.�
Jul 5, 2012
smoothoperator Tesla has already made history with the Roadster in a lot of people's minds. Look at how the components are packaged in the roadster, it is an unbelievable feat. I am a Model S Performance Sig holder and will 100% take delivery of my Model S but I do not think there is a comparison with regards to which vehicle exudes more passion. I own other sports cars which handle better and are quicker than the roadster but the personal connection I have with my roadsters is something that has not been replicated. Honestly I was hoping for a sedan version of the Roadster, I did not feel that same connection. An appliance is the best way IMO to describe the Model S. The Roadster is special, I would not use that same distinction with the Model S.�
Jul 5, 2012
Zextraterrestrial operating smoothly... hmm
and test driven S before test drives? hmmm, hmmm
So what gives the Roadster character? The balance of it, or tiny size, or it's looks of a Lotus? Does it drift better than a Model S? more punch off the line and you can overheat the speed control or motor if you want to race it really hard?
I understand the Model S looks similar to many cars but.. it's character is very different
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aha, S.O.
slow typing
( I never really wanted a roadster until I started hearing so much from 'you guys' how in love you all are
but in reality - an EV designed to be an EV will be so much better, sorry)�
Jul 5, 2012
smoothoperator Steering feedback is much more lively in the roadster, I love the Back To The Future plutonium-esque Roadster connector, the striking color combinations, hand stitched interior and the hand made aspect of the roadster (flaws and all), the carbon fiber body which is most clearly visible when the boot lid is open, the airplane whine that only a roadsters' electric motor makes, the elegant but simple UI tesla implemented in the console (perfect for the barebones genre that goes with the roadster), the push button gear selectors (elegant, simple), the shape of the roadster has classic lines (not so sure about the Model S). The Roadster to me has no gimmicks, nothing extraneous, it is the perfect commuter vehicle.�
Jul 5, 2012
Zextraterrestrial I agree with the no gimmicks!
I would love a roadster for that 1 reason alone!
I have no cell phone and the S is a BAD step in that direction. I don't need all of the extras but will love a bunch of it anyways. Happy with just the speedo screen and rear camera for an extra mirror�
Jul 5, 2012
bonnie Let me be clear ... I LOVE the Model S. I even had a moment where I thought perhaps I should forgo the X and just get an S now. But, well, that doesn't make sense for me. Not with three large dogs.
The S is just an unbelievable vehicle. I love the styling, think it's sexy as hell, lust after the touchscreen, amazed at the acceleration, how it handles curves, etc.
The Roadster is too noisy to easily take a call while driving. It's quirky at times. It is difficult to get in and out. Two people are cramped. There is one flimsy cupholder that can only be used when there is no passenger. And there is no storage space. (I laugh at all the angst over the lack of S storage space. Really??) If I'm running errands, I mentally check how much I need to pick up vs available places to put it in the Roadster. It is not a convenient vehicle.
But the Roadster is connected to the road. That's what a good sports car does. It's not about luxury and options and center consoles. It's about driving. Every morning I get on a rollercoaster to drive to the office. I've had it for over a year now and it's never been 'just a car'. I've smiled every time I've turned the key and silently backed out of my garage.
I'm looking forward to the X and the trips I'll take in it. But I don't see ever giving up the Roadster. The X will be the vehicle that fits my day-to-day life. I'll take it camping and on roadtrips and will definitely be doing it in style. But the Roadster will be the car that I take to wine country with the top off and enjoy the day.�
Jul 5, 2012
NigelM Get the mic moved as many have done. Top down at speed it's hopeless (as every other similar car) but with top up (esp hard top) I have no problems whatsoever.
+1 to everything else you said but we only have one (medium sized) dog.�
Jul 5, 2012
dsm363 While I haven't driven the Model S yet I did ride in it at the October Factory event, it seems to have its own character. Defining 'character' for a car is obviously subjective and means different things to different people. I had never owned anything approaching a sports car until I got the Roadster and I love it. As Bonnie said, it never gets old.
That said, I do sometimes wish I could make a hands-free call in the car or that it had a decent cup holder, more storage, keyless entry, a Nav unit that didn't suck....etc. I put up with these things in a daily driver because like smoothoperator said, you feel connected to the road and the ride is so much fun. The Roadster and the Model S may have very different character but that doesn't mean one is necessarily superior to the other. They both serve very different driving needs.
Most people can't get or don't want a sports car for daily use or simply have it for the weekend. The Model S (especially the performance) can be approximate a high-end sports car while being a family sedan and practical at the same time. Might be a more toned down character but I think I'll like it the same. I'll probably drive my Roadster a lot less when the Model S arrives. Already have 12,500 miles on it so it will be tough to see it sitting in the garage. I'll probably go back and forth between the two.�
Jul 6, 2012
brianman Thanks, Bonnie. Your insight is valuable for those of us not formally in the Tesla family yet.
Having said that, none of what you describe sounds to me like more character of Roadster vs. Model S. It sounds to me more like "appreciation of sports car" coupled with "known character of Roadster."
I'm still puzzled by...
... just as Alex was/is.
If the intent of the preceding posts was character in the sense of challenges to overcome for the driver and growing pains of a new company such as Tesla, I certainly hope the S has "less character". Otherwise, the company isn't improving with age and experience and the future of the company won't be rosy.�
Jul 6, 2012
AnOutsider When I think of character in a car, I think soul. Driving a German car, to me, is usual,y more rewarding and enjoyable than any Japanese car just because an Audi tends to have more soul than a Lexus (IMO of course). If this is what smooth operator meant, then that will be quite unfortunate indeed. However, if he just meant he's disappointed it doesn't feel more like a race car, then I can live with that. The S is a performance sedan, and for me it's replacing another big sedan with poorer performance and handling, not a sports car, so it should be fine.�
Jul 6, 2012
bonnie No, the intent of my post was to 1) respond to your question re the differences between the Model S and a Roadster, and 2) a response to the comment of appliances to move us from point A to point B. I think I was pretty clear that the Model S is everything the Roadster is not. Not sure why you'd think anything I said would indicate that the company isn't improving with age, etc. I've bought even more stock in the last week. That should speak volumes as to what I personally believe is the future of the company.�
Jul 6, 2012
smoothoperator please see my post
Yes I found that the Model S was not as rewarding, there was very little road feedback from the steering wheel. The Model S is closer to a Lexus or Acura vs an Italian or German sedan.�
Jul 6, 2012
Zextraterrestrial an NSX?
LFA?
:wink:�
Jul 6, 2012
smoothoperator yes even using those vehicles the comparison still is relevant. I have driven an LF-A and it was extremely refined at highway speeds. Doesn't Paris Hilton drive one?�
Jul 6, 2012
brianman @bonnie
By "preceding posts", I mean the ones prior to Alex's.
Edit:
Elaborating. Part of Alex's point, I think, was regarding the 'more' part. The Roadster having more character than the S rather than different character from the S.
I have no idea if that assertion is right or wrong. Hence my query for more information.
Bonnie's reply had 3 parts as I saw it: (a) a nod to the S as having some desirable traits, (b) a discussion of some Roadster owner experience, and (c) an appreciation of the sports car traits that the Roadster offers.
My interpretation:
(a) Counter-argument to the "more" assertion.
(b) Argument for the "character in the sense of challenges to overcome for the driver and growing pains of a new company such as Tesla" meaning of character.
(c) Appreciation for sports car traits rather than Roadster specifically.
Given that information and interpretation, I reached the conclusion in my previous post that only (b) supports the "more" assertion and continued from there.
Perhaps I misunderstood.�
Jul 6, 2012
Jaff Well said Bonnie!
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Jul 6, 2012
Jaff Remember, "beauty is in the eye..." ...to Paris Hilton, if she has an LF-A, then it must have soul (as soul appeals to her)...to each his / her own imo...
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Jul 6, 2012
medved I added a picture with stars, if it helps? I can't change the options, though. I guess only moderators can do that.�
Jul 7, 2012
FlasherZ For what it's worth, that's exactly what I want. When I want to get out and drive, I want a great experience, not a wrestling match with a steering wheel. During my test drive, I *really* liked the steering and I think it's more of what steering should be. If I want to feel "road feedback", I'll get in my 1960's Mustang without power steering.
Model S is a great, sporty sedan / saloon. It's not a supercar.�
Jul 7, 2012
smoothoperator Are you getting a performance? It would be nice if the performance package included the option for a sportier steering setup (enthusiasts will be getting the performance and this will be a welcome addition). What car are you coming from? Do you really feel that the Model S Performance is a drivers car? I do not think anyone is asking for supercar steering, but rather steering that is as good as other electric steering setups that other luxury marques have implemented. At 108k the sig performance package should really include a sportier steering setup IMO.�
Jul 7, 2012
NigelM It does.....Adjustable Steering�
Jul 7, 2012
smoothoperator Have you driven the Model S yet? those settings just change the amount of effort necessary to turn the wheel. I did not notice a significant difference with regards to road feel when changing those settings... Those settings are available on every Model S and just change the effort required to spin the wheel. Anyone else who has driven the Model S please feel free to chime in (particularly interested in individuals who changed those settings and if they felt a change in the way the steering communicated road feedback).�
Jul 7, 2012
gg_got_a_tesla Smooth's right. My co-pilot cycled through all 3 settings for the steering feel. I couldn't tell any difference in road feel; it seemed to only control how tight the wheel felt. Speaking of which, Standard and worse, Comfort felt rather wimpy. Sport setting was good but, not as good as in BMWs. Would have preferred a stiffer feel in Sport.�
Jul 8, 2012
spatterso911 That, unfortunately, is a fault of all electric steering. Most manufacturers that have switched to full EPS have to deal with the incumbent reduced road feel in some way. BMW is harshly criticized for this in the new M5 and current 5 series.�
Jul 8, 2012
Bardlebee I couldn't find the thread for this, but how does the steering work as far as power steering? Is it all electric too or does it need power steering fluid?�
Jul 8, 2012
jerry33 Electric steering is shorthand for electric power steering. I don't think a car would meet safety standards if it didn't have a mechanical connection to the wheels. The mechanical connection will be the same as in any other car.
And no, there is no power steering fluid.�
Jul 8, 2012
Bardlebee A question I ponder from this is how its so easy to switch between smooth and rigid steering. Is that a feature that other cars have nowadays? Or is this unique to the Model S?�
Jul 8, 2012
jerry33 I don't know if other cars are adjustable, I know the Prius isn't. The electric steering is either on or off (off only when it's broken--not that mine has ever broke). It's easy in the Model S because the of the advanced display. Basically you just increase or decrease the power to motor (I don't actually know how Tesla controls it, but adding or subtracting the amount of power that the steering motor gets seems like an easy way).�
Jul 8, 2012
Bardlebee I like the idea that we can just press a button on an ever-changing console to modify how your car behaves and uses its resources. It is truly a futuristic car. It will be of greater benefit because I imagine people tend to find themselves looking at newer consoles of model cars that are newer cars with envy. The Model S's LCD console doesn't suffer from this and is only a software patch.�
Jul 8, 2012
jerry33 Agreed. I think a lot of people buy a new car just because they are tired of looking at the old display. In the future I would like Telsa to be able to incorporate themes and other dash customizations.�
Jul 19, 2012
medved Just for fun: Show your rating to others in your signature :smile:�
Jul 19, 2012
johnnyS I drove the gray performance S in L.A. It outperforms just about anything on the road, but it compares as a sports sedan not a sports car. I have owned many sports cars and my current daily driver is a Porsche Boxster. My definition of a sports car is something that is light, nimble, and has lots of driver feel and a few inconvenient quirks. The model S can beat most sports cars but it is big and heavy. They are two different animals. BMW sedans sell better than the Honda S2000, BMW Z4, or Boxsters suggesting most people prefer sports sedans. Porsche sells more Panameras and Cayennes than 911s and Boxsters. I think Tesla will do well with the S, and I hope they desgin a new roadster soon.�
Jul 19, 2012
brianman My loose understanding of their most aggressive schedule...
They might swap positions 4 and 5, but it's still unclear whether any 4th vehicle will be ready by 2014.
- 2008 - Roadster
- 2012 - Model S
- 2013 - Model X
- 2014 - Bluestar
- 2015 - Roadster Revisited
So unless you mean 2015+ by "soon", you'll likely be disappointed.
If you're really in a hurry to get a "newer" Roadster, your best bet is to pick up one used and then have it pimped out by a custom shop. At least that's my guess.�
Jul 19, 2012
smoothoperator When you say "beat most sports cars" are you talking about 0-60?
Listen my biggest problem is this.... In all the promotional videos leading up to the Model S release, Elon, George, Franz etc kept tabbing this car as the "best on the planet." I know there are different definitions of "best on the planet" but come on. I understand it has a revolutionary powertrain, and futuristic controls but "best on the planet"? I love the Model S, it is a great car, I am buying one, but it is not the "best on the planet." I have driven cars that handle better than the Model S, have better performance than the Model S, that look better than the Model S lets be realistic here the Model S does not have 1/10 of the options/luxury features necessary to claim " best on the planet". Heck the thing does not even have a center console or voice command (right out of the gates). All this promo chatter about the Model S and "best car on the planet", cheapens the brand. They got too carried away with the promo videos and that really turned me off and (in my opinion) cheapened the brand. Quiet confidence should be the name of the game for Tesla and its future products. I know I will get hammered here for taking this stance, but I am calling a spade a spade.
2012: The Year of Model S on Vimeo�
Jul 19, 2012
AustinPowers I'm right with you on this one. I have loved the Model S since its inception. I have had pictures of it on my desktop here at work and at home (and still have), I have influenced countless colleagues who have come by, seen my desktop and asked about "what is that great looking car? is it an aston martin, a jaguar??" and I have amazed them by telling them that it is an EV and that I would love this to be my next car. I was close to putting in a deposit before the launch event, partly because of this "best car on the planet" talk and partly because of the pictures of the prototype (and its great looking interior). What a letdown when the Oct event came and more and more details (like in the design studio) appeared which showed me that not only is the Model S far from being the "best car on the planet", it's far from being what I want in my next car right now. As I said in another thread, IMHO it might be a great performing car with a lot of storage that happens to be electric, but everything else leaves a lot to be desired, at least at the moment. True, most of these deficiencies might be done with by Model S 2.0 or 3.0, but at the moment there is no way they can honestly call this car "the best on the planet".
Mind you it certainly is the best EV on the planet though, for now. (At least until the Audi e-tron family of premium sedans hits the market :wink
...runs and gets ready for some angry comments either�
Jul 19, 2012
Citizen-T I think one of the earliest reviews said it best. Something to the effect of, "Models S is not the best car in the world, but as a statement of intent, it is very impressive."
Another echoed the sentiment, saying that it is not the best, but at the rate that they are iterating it could be very soon.
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Jul 19, 2012
Discoducky Based on what we know as of right now, it seems that way to me as well, but....Take it home and live with it for a while, then let's talk. Most of the gadgets on cars these days tend to be superlative to enhancing the driving experience.�
Jul 20, 2012
AnOutsider I stopped taking Tesla hype a while ago when we kept getting promised big surprises and such that never really materialized ( well, not in a way to justify the hype). Still love the company, but agree I'd prefer the "quiet confidence" route instead.�
Jul 20, 2012
dsm363 I agree they need a little less hype. Have they repeated that 'best car on the planet' recently or was that well over a year ago? I have no problem with 'One of the best cars on the planet' though. I think that comment was more of their excitement about what they were doing and about to accomplish than anything. Kind of like an automotive equivalent of the 'My child is an honor student' bumper sticker. With interior refinement and a few extra gadgets down the road, they might be able to boast 'best car on the planet'.�
Jul 20, 2012
jkirkebo Well, it all depends on your viewpoint. To me, the "best car in the world" could never be a car with an ICE. So the competition isn't really that huge...
For example, I drive a Leaf now. If I could choose between the Leaf and a BMW M5 for the same price, I'd go with the Leaf.�
Jul 20, 2012
dsm363 Excellent point. The Model S also has tens of thousand of dollars of batteries to deal with. If Tesla could add on another $20,000 to the cost of the car then maybe we could get the best in class features people want. I don't think a Mercedes S class has a $30,000 engine to deal with so allows more room in its $80k price tag for interior and features. I think it will take time and battery costs coming down for Tesla to be able to keep their margins healthy and refine the interior and feature set.�
Jul 20, 2012
PeterW Agreed. The only reason we are buying this car is because it is electric. We have been watching from the sidelines for a long time but have been invited to come over for a test drive
on August 11 so we will give the car a kiwi rating after that�
Jul 20, 2012
smoothoperator I hope Tesla stops talking about "revolutionary" so much and starts taking "evolutionary" a bit more seriously in subsequent revisions and/or new versions of vehicles that they produce.�
Jul 20, 2012
Jaff This is an interesting place to be in the marketplace.
I have many friends who have medium to high end sedans but are also running the summer car (usually an older Porsche / Camaro / Firebird )...the Model S can serve both these driving needs / styles with just one vehicle...and it's state-of-the-art, unique, and green as well.
I can see numerous folks getting rid of their stodgy daily driver sedans & their summer vehicles and getting the "all in one" performance Model S...
I'm with you on the new Roadster johnny, but, I'm still holding out hope for performance upgrades for the original Roadster...
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Jul 20, 2012
Jaff Agreed jk...I choose to look at it as the phrase "best car in the world" as a forward looking statement! :wink::biggrin:
It is a subjective phrase though...one could always (with validity) argue elsewise as it is quite impossible for one vehicle to be the best in all classes (given the numerous possible metrics that could be used) ...perhaps a more encompassing phrase such as "best all-around vehicle" would be a more accurate statement...
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Jul 20, 2012
dsm363 If we're going to give Tesla a hard time for boasting and calling their car the 'best in the world' then that should apply to all products (soda, restaurant claims of 'best burger in America'...etc. I think most people realize it's a marketing slogan and meant to drive sales. From the review so far, it looks like Tesla could make a case they are being accurate but it's purely subjective anyway.�
Jul 20, 2012
brianman Um, no. If that were the case, I'd have bought a customized-for-street-driving golf cart years ago.�
Jul 20, 2012
PeterW Yeah, it has to be practical and suit our needs. It will replace 2 cars so the Model S has to be able to meet our transportation needs. We have 2 dogs so there needs to be space to accommodate them.
The Model S is the first Electric Vehicle that is capable of meeting our requirements.�
Jul 20, 2012
brianman This I can agree with.�
Jul 21, 2012
Jaff True Peter, but again still subjective...the Roadster is the first EV that was capable of meeting my requirements :wink:
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Jul 21, 2012
dsm363 If you could make them all static, that would be great. It is a big image so people will notice it. I don't think the flashing stars is necessary and may lead some people to skip your posts. Thanks.�
Jul 21, 2012
gg_got_a_tesla Or use Tapatalk when possible. No more avatars and signatures (my countdown included)!�
Jul 21, 2012
AndyM I dropped my vote of "4" in. After the ride today, I figure I have the cred.
Why not a 5? It's a version 1.0, and it will have bugs. I fully expect this, and I'm ready to handle them. But, holy crap, this is a solid, solid, solid machine for a version 1.0 of a... uh.... anything.
If there were a few more features to go head-to-head with similar sized performance sedans (lane change warnings, auto-stop for safety, etc), then I'd give the 5. I get that Tesla had to make choices - reasoned compromises - to get the performance and price to balance, and that's perfect. Tesla is doing the job right. I'm giving honest feedback to further the development, further the advances, and keep the momentum going.
I'm so ready to be an owner now. So ready...�
Jul 21, 2012
brianman @Andy - Something about your post's closing reminded me of parents wanting to adopt a Tesla baby.�
Jul 21, 2012
gg_got_a_tesla You mean this one? Literally speaking?!
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Jul 21, 2012
brianman Awwwwww...
Be careful, you're one closed frunk lid away from jail time.�
Jul 22, 2012
medved What Elon really means is that the Model S is the best car (sedan) in every dimension that matters, whether it's performance, safety, handling, technology, interface.... He did not mention luxury. Because that doesn't really matter, at least to me.�
Jul 22, 2012
dsm363 I would say we should cut them some slack on the early comments of 'best car in the world'. Have they repeated that line since the October event? I think the car speaks for itself now. Even if it had everything people wanted there still would be someone wanted ivory trim or something and not consider it the best car in the world. I agree they seem to have hit all the marks that matter to me at least. I like a nice interior as well but it doesn't have to be amazing. It's the driving and the tech toys that matter more for me. The interior is probably one of the easier things for them to improve down the road as well.�
Jul 22, 2012
brianman The link in medved's post (which he partially quoted) is from the "Founders 3-10" event in June...�
Jul 22, 2012
dsm363 Ok. Even then, maybe they should say 'one of the best cars in the world' but the reviews so far have really positive and largely backup up this claim. Is it the best car in the world? Probably not but that's subjective anyway and maybe it's the best car in the world to the people working on it at Tesla. Anyone who buys any product with this kind of claim without doing research themselves will probably be very disappointed with many of their purschases.�
Jul 22, 2012
brianman @dsm - I agree with your point. I was just observing that they're still saying it.�
Jul 22, 2012
Iz After yesterday's test drive I give it a solid "4". My 9-year old daughter noticed the lack of cupholders and pockets in the rear seats. Also, there were minor rear seat belt issues that were previously reported.�
Jul 22, 2012
PeterW Everyone in different, and for some neither vehicle meets their requirements. But my statement; "The Model S is the first Electric Vehicle that is capable of meeting OUR requirements."
That is a statement of fact, as it refers to us not anyone else.
Unless, of course, you can point out another production EV that can go 300miles (480km) on a charge with room for the dogs.�
Jul 22, 2012
dsm363 Thanks for pointing out they are still saying that. I didn't mean to sound like I was disagreeing with the point as well. They probably should tone it down but they're probably really proud of what they've done and can't contain their excitement. Hopefully people agree when they get their car.�
Jul 22, 2012
Robert.Boston When I hear Elon say things like "best car", I hear the voice of a proud parent. "My little Johnny is the best piano player!" Everyone smiles and nods. What's amazing is that the Model S is ready to play at Carnegie Hall (figuratively) -- maybe not "best," but certainly "world class." Not bad for the new kid on the block.�
Jul 22, 2012
medved Came up with another signature star rating.
To change the number of stars just change the last digit of the image to the number of stars you want. For example if you want 5 stars for the image rating_301.png, change it to rating_305.png
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Jul 22, 2012
smoothoperator They are not the new kid on the block; they came out with a car 4 years ago, that a lot of us bought.�
Jul 22, 2012
smoothoperator So basically, you take them not repeating it as them admitting defeat that the Model S is not the best car in the world? When I hear "best" that immediately is a red flag that a company is using gimmicks to try to attract customers. I can understand best being used in a non specific sense, but no company will ever say best car in the world (except maybe Rolls-Royce who will remark "More then Adequate" when asked about the specs of their car).....�
Jul 22, 2012
dsm363 I guess they repeated it at the June event. Anyway, don't see much utility about arguing about the best car in the world comment. Some of the auto journalists have said they may have come close. Saying you're the best at something and coming close to delivering is probably better than saying 'Yeah, we're ok. Buy our car'.
Even if they stopped saying it, I would take it more as now that the car is here, we'll let it speak for itself.�
Jul 22, 2012
brianman @medved - Yay(!), not animated. Also, I like the new look of your signature. The sketch lines look somewhat like a written signature as well, which is a nice twist.�
Jul 22, 2012
jerry33 Didn't the last new kid on the block start in 1924?�
Jul 22, 2012
Robert.Boston Considering that the next-youngest American car company was founded in 1920-something, I think Tesla Motors still qualifies as "new kid". And 2500 purchases is not "a lot" by automotive standards.�
Jul 22, 2012
dsm363 Tesla was the first American car company to successfully launch an IPO since Ford in 1956.
I also wouldn't compare delivering the Roadster to building your own car from the ground up. Lotus had all of the manufacturing expertise and built the Roadster for Tesla using Tesla's design though.�
Jul 22, 2012
medved @brianman - thanks. the sketch lines are from what Tesla calls "Model S Speedlogo".
Update for the last star rating signature: I have changed the image from .jpg to .png to make the background transparent. So if anybody is using it and doesn't want to have withe background, just change the .jpg to .png. Like for example image rating_304.jpg change to rating_304.png�
Jul 22, 2012
smoothoperator With Coda & Fisker releasing cars recently how many "kids" live on the block? I guess these are not American auto companies in your Tesla-centric mindset?�
Jul 22, 2012
bonnie Tone it down, please. It seems like more than a few posts this evening are bordering on confrontational. No need.�
Jul 22, 2012
Lyon I think about it in the same way as I thought about Mercedes-Benz's "The Best or Nothing" campaign or BMW's long-time slogan, "The Ultimate Driving Machine." Car companies use superlatives in order to describe themselves and their products, it's not new. Gimmicks or marketing, it all depends on how one wants to value it. Regardless, Tesla isn't the only, or even the first, to claim to be the the best.
Beyond that, I don't imagine that there is an agreed upon "best car in the world." Name a car and I'm sure that there's going to be something less than superlative about it.
After driving the Model S, and taking into account my feeling that there's no such thing as "The Best Car in The World," I think that it's remarkable that Tesla's managed to make a vehicle that's worthy to at least be part of the discussion about the best car might be.�
Jul 23, 2012
medved Note: smoothoperator voted 3 stars. His username is gone from the poll but his vote is still there.�
Jul 23, 2012
mnx What happened to him anyways? Did he get the boot, or delete his account? (Sorry for the OT)�
Jul 23, 2012
medved It's here.�
Jul 23, 2012
onlinespending I selected 3, but I actually wish I had selected 4. My initial tepid response was more a reaction to my test drive compared to the lofty expectations I put on the car based on the reviews and all the wonderful remarks everyone had gushed about the Model S. I was expecting to be blown away and I really wasn't. It was an awesome ride, but just wasn't some mind blowing experience. If a 3 is average, than clearly the Model S is not an average car. It's deserving of a 4. It still needs an improved interior, and still has to be put to the test for longer use, but I can't envision myself getting any other car but the Model S for my next one.�
Jul 23, 2012
Lyon I would have given it a 4.75 if that was an option. There are still some things that need addressing with it but it's a fantastic car. Basically, I rounded up.�
Jul 28, 2012
medved If the Model S is not the best car then what is the best car? I don't mind them claiming the best car ("in every dimension that matters") if they can back up their claim. Do you think that they can't back up their claim "in every dimension that matters"? For me the best car can't be an ICE car. That rules out Audi, BMW, or even Bugatti Veyron for that matter. And between EV's, there is nothing else close to the Model S (IMO). Except for the Tesla roadster, of course.
I'm not saying I am a Tesla fanboy. I am actually one of the few who most criticized Tesla for the "brick" problem. The problem was however promptly addressed to my satisfaction. But I've gotta give credit where credit is due.
At least that's how I see it before the test drive. Will see what happens after the test drive.�
Jul 28, 2012
dsm363 I have no idea what the best car in the world and it would be different for each person anyway. There is no one best car in the world for everyone. I think the Model S may indeed be one of the best cars in the world for me but time will tell.�
Jul 28, 2012
Bardlebee "Best" is subjective anyway and is up to the opinion of the driver. It's a marketing term at best.
For me, I just finished paying off my Mustang and it would behoove me to stay debt free (except my mortgage of course
I think the term "Best" should be taken with a grain of salt. I will say that reviewers at least concur that this car can contend with the best of the cars in the industry and with Tesla being so small, isn't that something that seemed impossible by itself?
Credit were credit is due.�
Aug 22, 2012
PeterW Saw it, drove it, loved it. I think the exterior is beautiful and I saw no issues with the fit and finish (inside or outside). I drove the blue performance at the Palo Alto event August 10 which i believe is one of the more recently produced cars.
Gave it a 5�
Aug 22, 2012
jerry33 Rats. I forgot that the best category was on the bottom rather than the top. I meant to give it a 4 not a 2. Loved the way the car drove.�
Aug 22, 2012
brianman "On a scale of 1 to 10 how would you rate..."
"I said 1 because it's awesome."
/chuckle�
Aug 23, 2012
Brian H No one would believe you to be any kind of boy! Unless you're in deep disguise ...�
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