Apr 1, 2016
Mihai75
I'm sorry but as much as I like the exterior, that dashboard is a disaster. Are we back in the 70s now, predicting how modern "stuff" will look in the year 2000? I realize it's still in prototyping stage but I fear the main thing, and only thing, that will change is the gigantic screen will be vertical instead of horizontal. I always thought a 17 inch square screen looks totally out of place in a car, including the Model S and X, and I look at computer screens all day. I don't need to stare at one also in my car and IT staring back at me. I'M HERE, LOOK AT ME!! Because it's a big, square, FLAT glass surface it's impossible to integrate it into anything and just looks ridiculously out of place. Maybe when flexible screens become mainstream, such a huge display surface can be smoothly integrated into a dash. But now....yuk. It's the automobile interior design equivalent of this:
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At least the Model S and X had other things on the dash to take away the attention from that monstrosity, but if this is going to be the dash (with some small alterations) of the Model 3, it is really, really ugly. Please reconsider Tesla.....take some inspiration from Mercedes for example:
This looks more Tesla than Tesla. Even the screen has a "T" shape and is perfectly integrated into the ensemble and is more than adequate size, for a car screen. A dashboard of a car is not ment to be a copy of my desk. I am not at my desk, and I'm not in a 70s sci-fi set inspired living room either. I'm in a car. I'm going somewhere, I'm traveling, I'm looking at stuff in my surroundings, at the real world. It's one of the main points of driving and traveling, or is this a wrong assumption? I can live without a giant screen while in a car. I see those everywhere already.�
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Apr 1, 2016
ModelNforNerd Car isn't finished. You've seen a driveable prototype, not the finished production model.�
Apr 1, 2016
caps04 Look at Model S and Model X dash when they were first revealed. Now relax.�
Apr 1, 2016
yesup Then sorry, Tesla is not for you. Giant screen is almost one of the signature of Tesla cars.
The dashboard design may evolve, but the concept of one single big screen in the centre would not change.�
Apr 1, 2016
Velaar I agree that the dash looks incomplete. In the same time it seems that the main idea of one screen will stay. I am not exactly sure how comfortable it will be from the drivers perspective. A head-up display may help to keep the key info for the driver, (Navigation/speed/energy use), but so far we heard nothing about it.�
Apr 1, 2016
timk225 Ya rly, man. Lots will change in the next year and a half. Although I do have to ask, why wouldn't they just start with a Model S dash assembly in the first place?�
Apr 1, 2016
jonnyg Also could be part of them wanting to hold their cards close to their chest. Don't want to give competitors everything when the car isn't coming out for a year and a half.�
Apr 1, 2016
ModelNforNerd understood, I am OK with the center console layout (although I would prefer it to be sunken in, right now it looks "tacked on" as an afterthought...). I just feel we're still going to see a cluster behind the steering wheel, in some form.�
Apr 1, 2016
Johan Great 9th post! You should e-mail Elon and ask him to replace Franz with you. You seem to know what you're talking about.�
Apr 1, 2016
timk225 I definitely want a normally placed instrument cluster, in addition to the larger center screen.�
Apr 1, 2016
Right_Said_Fred Don't worry, things will change. The exterior looks almost done (although it does remind me of the first futuristic Model S, and it will still change a bit), but the interior probably is not there yet. It is so minimalistic, that it looks very much like the interiors of show models you see on car shows. Those interiors can never be found in production cars.
That Mercedes-interior looks terrible by the way. And that Mercedes touch screen it too small.
I guess you don't drive a Tesla (Model S) yet, or you wouldn't be saying that the touch screenin the Model 3 is too big. You have to experience it in the Model S. It's magnificent.�
Apr 1, 2016
Bunky Its a matter of opinion. The Mercedes example you used looks cluttered and dated to me.�
Apr 1, 2016
Bangor Bob Having had a 2nd-gen Prius with the speedo tucked up top and off to the side (and hating that - especially the glare on the windshield it caused at night), and a Scion before with the speedo in the center (and hating it) - Yes, a driver instrument binnacle please.
Fingers crossed for the dash being completely preliminary/unfinished.�
Apr 1, 2016
Mihai75 It doesn't look "perfect" to me but at least it's coherent. What's your example of a good looking dashboard, besides obviously having a giant 17 inch screen in the middle of it?
That's just it, when I'm driving a car, I don't care to "experience" a computer screen. I don't get in the car and say to myself: I can't wait to experience that giant computer screen! That's not the motivation for driving and going somewhere in your car. I don't care how interactive it is, or what its color gamut is, or ppi. The thing is it's always in your face. You have a TV in your face. There's no option to have a smaller screen and a real dashboard with real physical buttons. The dashboard is really: giant screen, steering wheel to the left (or right). And that's it.
Thanks! I think I will email this Franzenhozen guy and help him correct a few things...�
Apr 1, 2016
Todd Burch Notice the interior doesn't even have A/C vents. It's mostly a placeholder. It will evolve.
But if you had time behind the wheel of an S you'd recognize that anyone who DOESN'T have a large touchscreen is just behind the times. The large screen is infinitely better.�
Apr 1, 2016
ModelNforNerd My thoughts on the dash cluster:
The Model 3 is getting Autopilot 2.0. Almost a lead-pipe lock of the century....of the week (cartoon reference, still a little punchy after getting up so early tor reserve and somehow staying up late...)
TSLA is going to do something completely new with a refreshed UI and Autopilot 2.0 integration. Maybe they didn't want to spoil it, so we got the spartan prototype dash last night.�
Apr 1, 2016
SageBrush First things first, let's get rid of the retro steering wheel. It looks so out of place�
Apr 1, 2016
zerokewl The interior will for sure change as it gets closer to launch. Besides the missing air vents that were brought up it also doesn't have a speedometer that i could see. The main reason for the reveal is so people can see the basic outer design of the car. The fact that they drive at all is pretty amazing to me. Usually a prototype doesn't even have a motor or real suspension. Some prototypes don't have any interior at all. I'm just glad i got my reservation as early as i could.�
Apr 1, 2016
Quant Ok ! Please go make your own EV with equivalent specs and price , will you ?
Oh, sorry, you can't make anything? Can you ? Maybe we'll get to see your Dummy car ? Soon ?�
Apr 1, 2016
manitou820 A cockpit like interior is preferred for a true sports car, but in the case of the Model 3, I think simplicity is better. I currently commute in an i3 which has a pretty minimalist interior and now that I've driven the car for a year I love it. Way less distracting and easier to use. I'm sure it will change between now and production, but I expect that Tesla will keep the minimalist design.�
Apr 1, 2016
Spidy People keep saying this, but I actually find those to look fairly close to production cars. It was also said in several test drives that there won't be a 2nd display.
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/attachments/dash-and-interior-jpg.4362
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Apr 1, 2016
ummgood My first inpression of the outside of the car was almost total shock. I really like the entire styling of the car EXCEPT for the flat nose. But then the more I saw photos the more it is growing on me. I really like the headlights. I can't say I like the wheels too much but that is easily resolved.
Then when they showed the inside I about had a heart attack. The outside is so sexy and sporty and the inside looks like a rip off of the BMW i3. I am going to out on a limb and say I wouldn't want to spend a lot of time in the interior of that car. It just seems so uninviting to me. I am pretty disappointed. I understand it is a prototype and I hope the entire dash and console gets redesigned before production. I dislike it that much. I love cockpit feel interiors and I really feel like they dropped the ball by showing the car with the interior in this state.
The steering wheel instantly reminded me of a 2000 Ford F-150 steering wheel and that's not good. Perhaps they'll wow me but I really dislike the interior and frankly that is where I'll see the car from the most...�
Apr 1, 2016
SageBrush My fingers are crossed; I think the i3 interior is brilliant.�
Apr 1, 2016
808? By the time the cars are getting delivered, you won't need to spend much time driving it yourself.�
Apr 1, 2016
tezzla Elon told me yesterday (@ Century City) that he was tired of all of the complaints of the v7 dash change; so he just eliminated the dash!�
Apr 1, 2016
Mihai75 Behold! The Model T, that I invented:
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Minimalism has its place, it's not automatically the best thing for all situations. I'm far more annoyed by having a TV in my face while driving than a few buttons I can completely ignore. The frustrating thing is that the Model 3 seems by all aspects the perfect car for me. I drive electric since 2 years and I love it. I've followed Tesla since the first web page went up and I think what they have achieved, and what they have pushed other automakers to achieve, is phenomenal. As much as one can love a corporate entity, I love Tesla. But I also spend the time I'm driving IN the car, the dashboard is important to me. Not just the functionality of it (for a dashboard I believe functionality should be vastly more important than wanting to make everything minimalist), but most importantly not having a TV in my face. While trying to enjoy the drive. I was already not a big fan of the Model S/X dash and I think the Model 3 one is heading even more in this, in my opinion, very wrong direction.�
Apr 1, 2016
SMSMD That's what you get to see for a thousand dollars.�
Apr 1, 2016
ummgood I do want a car that has autopilot so when I am frustrated in traffic I can turn it on and just sit and drink my coffee. That is ideal. At the same time I want a sporty car with a cockpit feel so when I feel like ripping up a country road and tossing the car around I can. That is the entire reason I think the world was waiting for an affordable Tesla. Up until now all electric cars seem utilitarian. The Tesla is sexy and sporty and I think they dropped the ball on the driver experience from inside honestly. If I wanted utilitarian I would buy a i3 or a Bolt. I want sexy and sporty!�
Apr 1, 2016
UberEV1 Model 3 will ship without steering wheels - fully autonomous - no need for dash display!
OK, a bit more seriously, I expect there will have to be a traditional dash display or HUD. Aren't there some requirements to present critical information, like speed, directly in front of driver?�
Apr 1, 2016
ModelNforNerd
Say it with me kids.....
Pro-to-type
Elon even said that this launch was "Part 1" and Part 2 would be closer to Production.
Relax. The vehicle's outer looks will likely be 99% what you see here. (But I could see them reworking that back section of glass into a hatch. rather than a trunk) So there's your sexy. Sporty? Covered by the big battery and AWD
But it still needs to be somewhat USEFUL inside, so we'll wait and see what they cook up.�
Apr 1, 2016
timk225 I saw that the prototype Model 3 has a full length center console between the seats. I wonder if that is a good idea, maybe it would be better to have the area between the front seats be completely open like on a Model S? Maybe make the console a dealer installed option?
Well, not a DEALER installed option. A Tesla Store installed option, you know what I mean.�
Apr 1, 2016
ummgood I'll be saying that for a year and a half! The outside really is growing on me but the inside is such a disappointment. "Pro-to-type" "Pro-to-type". Even though everyone is saying the inside isn't product (which I agree) I think it is important for us to express our opinions so if they for some reason think this is the interior basic design they'll maybe get the idea it isn't wanted.�
Apr 1, 2016
1208 Its great, hate screens behind wheel. Best interior design decision since the main screen itself.�
Apr 1, 2016
Mihai75 Bingo. My automotive soulmate.
Yes, the flat front nose seems like a bug in the Autodesk software used to design it. The rest is stunning, beautiful, sexy. Love the headlights.�
Apr 1, 2016
Buckeye2320 If they put a Model S or Model X dashboard, then they have higher cost as it has a lot more to is. By putting 1 Single screen and not having the typical dashboard hump behind the steering wheel, Tesla can save money which allows them to get down to the $35K price.
Form, Function, Cost....all three seem to be taken into consideration!�
Apr 1, 2016
ModelNforNerd
My gut feeling here is two fold:
1. there will be some sort of gauge cluster, as US DOT regulations mandate it (pretty sure....) and Tesla fought the good fight on external mirrors, yet there they are on the prototypes.
2. The reason we didn't get to see the cluster? Probably because it's still in development on the hardware and software sides. Internal hardware and the accompanying software are much easier for a company like Tesla than exterior design/drivetrain. The fact that they have driveable pre-prod models should make us all giddy as fans, future owners, and investors. This means they can turn the geeks loose on the user experience now.
I can't wait.�
Apr 1, 2016
dmode Completely disagree with the OP. I thought the interior was a true testament to what Tesla stands for. Minimalist and futurist, I wouldn't change a thing about it. The lines are so clean and beautiful. I actually liked the interior much more than the exterior. I wish the Model S interior starts evolving into something similar as well.
Also, that Merc interior is fugly.�
Apr 1, 2016
Vitold I'm pretty sure that Model 3 will have HUD and display speed and directions right on the windshield. As to the vents I suspect that they are along the edge of the dash, similar to Dyson blade-less fan.�
Apr 1, 2016
ummgood I completely disagree. They don't need a fancy alcantara or leather lined dashboard like the X or S but standard dashboards can be had in a Kia so I disagree they have to have a flat piece of plastic across the entire car to cut costs...
Thanks for helping me off the ledge. I really dislike the dash that much. I might even decide to live with it if it stays the way it is but I really was hoping for more sporty cockpit fill and was extremely disappointed.�
Apr 1, 2016
ModelNforNerd
It may be new and funky, maybe smaller than we're all used to, but it's not completely going away.
As far as talking you off the ledge, I think we're transitioning into a support group for each other....to get us all through the long wait we've all just signed up for......�
Apr 1, 2016
Spidy It actually does. 0:50
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Apr 1, 2016
Allante The interior is nearly 100% locked in at this late stage of development. There may be some minor tweaks and refinements, but the screen is here to stay. Indeed, listen to the various videos of test drives -- the engineers were asked repeatedly -- and confirmed -- that the screen was in integral part of the entire design of the car. Removing the gauge cluster and vents (the car does indeed use an innovative Dyson-like ventilation system) allows lowering the dash, which facilitates lowering the hood, which in turn lowers the coefficient of drag.
I admit that I also prefer manual controls and gauges, but I think the benefits of the Model 3 will be worth it. Like the grille-less front end, its time to move beyond the century-old paradigm of ICE-driven vehicles and embrace the new world of electric transport.�
Apr 1, 2016
S3XY The flat nose was the only thing I didn't like about the exterior but I think it won't look as bad/big once you slap a license plate on it. As to the interior, The reason there's no dash display is so there's not a big hump to shade glare on it. As Elon mentioned at the reveal, this allows the dash to be pushed forward which creates space for more leg room. That said, I still would want at least a HUD for basic standard information.�
Apr 1, 2016
Trev Page If there's something consistent with tesla, and that's if you're actually paying attention, is that historically their interiors change a lot from the prototypes to the production cars. Expect refinements when the final production car is unveiled next year. The center screen however is staying where it is and it's landscape. The test drivers at the event confirmed this.�
Apr 1, 2016
Trev Page I'm very carefully pausing the intro video where the 3D CAD schematics are displayed behind Elon, there's a lot of Gold in there. They show the structure, wiring, battery. I'll rewatch and see if I can glean some information on the HVAC system.
I love this morph:
Tesla Model 3 to Model S morph�
Apr 1, 2016
eye.surgeon I love the M3 dash/screen design. I hope it stays true to the prototype and I suspect it will. One of the higher-ups at the launch said there would be no conventional instrument cluster and that the prototype screen was the design going forward. It's far superior to manufacture as well for right and left hand drive cars. I think it's awesome.�
Apr 1, 2016
MP3Mike Have you been paying attention that the Model S now comes standard with a full length center console? (It is no longer an option.)�
Apr 1, 2016
ModelNforNerd
One of my biggest complaints with my current car is the Germans' utter lack of acknowledging larger American cup/drink sizes.
And yes, since the Model 3 is going to be the family car for a lot of people, it needs to hold things. It will have a console, it will have cupholders.
Elon is trying to help us all reduce our carbon footprint and bring down CO2 levels, but I don't think he's going to take away Big Gulps or large iced coffees from us.�
Apr 1, 2016
anticitizen13.7 The 2-spoke steering wheel was actually considered futuristic about 10 years ago. The 8th Generation Honda Civic (which was shocking for a compact car in late 2005) used a similar design:
Agreed completely.
I think people need to calm down and keep in mind that the Model 3 shown yesterday is a PROTOTYPE. Go back and look at the Model S and Model X prototype interiors from 2010 and 2012 respectively. The changes in aesthetics are substantial in the final production models.
Even just from looking at the "cupholder" circle cutouts, it is clear that the interior is far from finished. Think of it as a fuzzy drawing that is slowly being brought into focus.
I trust that Tesla will take ergonomics into account when finalizing the information displays (which could include HUD) over the next 18 months. There is no reason to think that they would deliberately use an interface that makes things difficult for the driver.
I do expect that Model 3 will have a clean, minimalist interior. Tesla has always done minimalist. They have never had opulent interiors.�
Apr 1, 2016
mkspeedr I like the dashboard. Hopefully it is just my commute car and it drives it self while I do something productive.�
Apr 1, 2016
DrGuest Part Two reveal should be about all the screen details and function and the interior design details, More to come later, but this is one amazing start!�
Apr 1, 2016
inottawa It's interesting to listen to different perspectives and thoughts on the dash of the Model 3. Having lived with my Model S for over 3 years, I can say that I love the minimalist dash approach. I suppose moving from a traditional ICE with lots of gauges and indicators, that moving to something this different is quite a shock
People are inherently resistant to big changes. Going from that Merc shot in the OP is REALLY different that a simple clean dash with one square 15" display. Going from the Model S to the Model 3, is still a change, but to a much lesser degree.
I think over time, people will grow to enjoy the interior of this car.�
Apr 1, 2016
SageBrush Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant any steering wheel at all ;-)�
Apr 1, 2016
ModelNforNerd
you make a good point: some are reluctant to let go of the traditional instrument cluster, while completely forgetting that it displays things that are obsolete in an EV.
Engine temp? Oil pressure warning lights? Fuel gauge?
No....now we are getting the universally recognizable battery charge level icon, kWh used rather than fuel gauge. etc etc
I would like to see a small screen in the traditional spot, though. Maybe with the Autopilot display of vehicles around you, status, etc...similar to the S and X.�
Apr 1, 2016
sandpiper I agree with this for the most part. But, you really require something in front of the driver. A small HUD would be fine. I'm not likely to ever buy a model 3 - but if they ever completely eliminate the driver display in the Model S, I'm going to really struggle. I need the speed and at least a few basic indicators in front of me.�
Apr 1, 2016
3s-a-charm Brilliant photoshop! Love it!�
Apr 1, 2016
sandpiper Not going to happen any time soon. The lawyers haven't even started to dig their teeth into this.�
Apr 1, 2016
inottawa I do enjoy having the mini extruded map in the front dash when you have Nav running. It is for sure much easier to do a quick glance straight down between your hands than to glance off kinda to the right side.�
Apr 1, 2016
Mihai75 Oh poo. This just gets better and better....
0-60 in 4 seconds!
...And never leave your desk!�
Apr 1, 2016
Todd Burch My bad, missed that. But I still think the interior is far from close to production-ready.�
Apr 1, 2016
Bangor Bob I'm just going to reiterate that I purchased two vehicles with central instrument clusters IN SPITE OF the control layouts. Not having the most common driver information (speed, remaining fuel/charge, status of headlights, turn signals) front-and-center is incredibly annoying. Current car has nearly everything in the instrument binnacle, and is worlds better to live with.
I guess at worst we can velcro an ipad behind the steering wheel with a bluetooth Canbus adapter wired to the car. Not exactly what you'd expect in a $35k car though...�
Apr 1, 2016
tga As a long-term (8 year) Mini driver, I can confirm this. Looking right and down vs just down is really annoying and aggravating. Until you've lived with it, it's hard to understand how much so.
Frankly, I think most of the people saying "it's fine, you don't need the dash" have (a) drunk to much Kool-aide, and (b) have no experience driving a car without one.�
Apr 1, 2016
theganjaguru I agree!!! Will be reserving. However, really don't like having to look to the right to attain some basic info. Should be a small screen front and center or a HUD. Not a show stopper for me. The rest of the auto industry has some major catching up to do�
Apr 1, 2016
ummgood I used to have a 2001 Toyota Echo and I really disliked having to look over for speed as well. Plus there is something to be said for having the basic info available close in an uncluttered environment. Having the speed on the same screen with the map/other techie stuff is begging for people to get distracted. I can teach myself not to look over but it is hard if I am having to look over there to get my speed.�
Apr 1, 2016
SageBrush I may not be a good example since I adapt to interface changes without drama, but our Prius have center interface elements that work just fine.
I was mulling over this lack of an (almost) direct line of sight speedometer for people who tend to attract unwanted attention, and wondered if the car will "read" speed limits and notify the driver as directed.�
Apr 1, 2016
Drivin Looking at the slashgear video, that doesn't seem to be the case.
It is a design feature to not have the cluster behind the steering wheel.�
Apr 1, 2016
intrepidxc I was late coming to the TESLA party, but my wife and I just picked up a 2015 Model S 90D. We love this car and our other ICE has stayed in the garage in the 3 weeks we've owned the MS. I am very interested in the M3 as my wife and I leased the MS thanks to her employers liberal electrical vehicle lease program. Yesterday I reserved a M3 as soon as online reservations opened since this will be the TESLA priced right for owning.
I love the minimal interior in my MS, in fact I'm very happy I got one before the center console.
What I've seen of the M3 interior disappoints me, but I acknowledge it's early in the process. I dislike the floating screen and hope to see it integrated into the dash. Although, I don't like the floating screen I'll accept it. I hope the M3 has a dashboard similar to the MS or a good HUD.
I'm not sure if I'll end up passing on the M3 if the dash/HUD isn't included. I'll likely wait and see what the rest of the car looks like before deciding. Honestly, the advanced AP doesn't appeal to me that much, and I'd be very likely to buy a used MS (and probably buy out our current lease) if the M3 interior isn't to my liking.
To caveat what I just said, I'll also make it clear that I'm going to reserve a 2nd M3 tonight for my wife. Ideally this car will replace our leased MS in early 19. I'm confident that TESLA will improve the interior and that the interior we saw yesterday is just a prototype.
BTW, I've been lurking on these boards for a while. Thanks for all the great resources and information!�
Apr 1, 2016
Drivin The Tesla person in the video said "it represents the design direction we fully intend to take into production"
This is the design they are going with.�
Apr 1, 2016
malcolm Tesla is all about drifting away from the norm. Trying new stuff. Thinking outside the gorram box.
All this "okay - the drivetrain can be different from conventional vehicles but NO FURTHER!" is hysterically funny.�
Apr 1, 2016
Drivin Exactly.
I reserved one for each of my kids - I think that they will like this design and not be encumbered by the past and tradition of instrument clusters and older design elements.�
Apr 1, 2016
tga Which is all well and good, as long as you don't scare away buyers with your unconventional thinking. The Secret Master Plan does require mass user adoption...�
Apr 1, 2016
JohnQ Take a look at where the speed readout is on the center screen. It's directly to the right of the driver's right hand on the steering wheel. It's still a simple flick of the eyes, just as if you were looking down between your hands. I doubt that's going to make or break someone's decision once they've actually test driven the car.
The question for me is about clutter and how easy it is to pick that information out from the many other things on the screen. But that's a refinement issue.�
Apr 1, 2016
wraithnot I actually think the single wide screen in landscape mode could work IF the screen position can be adjusted so the top of the screen is in the correct spot for drivers of different height. At least for me, it's the angle that I have to divert my eyes from watching the road ahead to looking at info on the dash that is the issue. As long as the top left corner of the screen is reasonably close to where I normally look when driving, it will be just fine for me. But this requires a screen that can move up and down to accommodate drivers of different heights. Steering wheels can have all sorts of adjustments- why not large displays in cars?�
Apr 1, 2016
K-lein Hi,
I kind of like the path Tesla has chosen for interior design, but I am part of those who prefer seeing important driving information straight and centred in the driver's view rather than offset on the side.
At first when I saw the car's interior and saw the missing driver's instrument cluster, I expected Elon Musk to announce the car having some kind of heads-up display. Maybe someone from Tesla in the test cars reminding people it was missing from the early prototype, but I was not expecting them to use a single screen and implement the instrument cluster on the centre console as a design decision. I am clearly not convinced.
The small elliptic steering wheel is unusual too. I have always driven cars with round steering wheels, so I don't know if it's a good or a bad thing, however Tesla showing a steering wheel without any button is really shocking and confusing.
I'd rather have seen a model S or model X wheel than this button-less draft wheel.�
Apr 1, 2016
wraithnot We also have an i3 (which will be going back to the BMW dealer at the end of the lease) and I agree that the interior looks pretty great (at least in Giga world trim). But I find it far less functional at displaying information than the interior of our Model S. I also really dislike the driver's display since so much real estate is taken up with old-fashioned idiot lights instead of a larger LCD display. If the Model 3 interior can adopt some of the style of the i3 interior while maintaining the functionality of the Model S interior then I think it will be a home run.�
Apr 1, 2016
stopcrazypp The current design is not a huge issue for me (nor is the lack of a traditional instrument cluster), but I think it needs at least a HUD if they keep the current design.
Having to look right to see my speed is not very practical, and in general I don't really like center mounted instrument clusters in the first place.�
Apr 1, 2016
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Apr 1, 2016
AudubonB There was a comment in one of this thread's early posts regarding "room for HVAC vents", or some such.
I note that in one of last night's ride videos, the Tesla driver could be heard pointing out that the innovative dashboard "allowed us to create those vents for superior airflow through the entire cabin"<=====my wording, not his, but he said something similar to that.�
Apr 1, 2016
ilovemycoffee The lack of gauges reminds me when Apple removed the floppy drive from the first iMac. Huge uproar, but in hind site, smart.�
Apr 1, 2016
Twiglett sorry but Merc cockpit is revolting - all of the single function buttons and business - no thanks�
Apr 1, 2016
Twiglett In one of the videos you can see the speed in the top left nearest the driver.
Central display isn't new, just most cars have it.
I like it�
Apr 1, 2016
3mp_kwh My guess is the team remains embarrassed by the steering wheel.
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Apr 1, 2016
Twiglett Thing is, as with all cars.
If you don't the design or the interior - don't buy it and get one of the alternatives... oh wait.....�
Apr 1, 2016
scottm Model S is now coming standard with a center console. The empty space is a relic of the previous generations.
I like my empty space.�
Apr 1, 2016
Notacarguy The screen in the model S is not distracting at all. I rarely need to fiddle with it while driving but the odd time I do the large screen is great to use. Tesla made a large jump away from traditional cars with the electric motor and now is looking at questioning other 'normal' car things like the instrument cluster. Think about the things on an instrument cluster you don't need in a Tesla, temp gauge, rpms, voltage.
If you think this is going to make you feel like you are in front of your desk at work then I suspect you have never driven a Tesla. The screen is functional and is there to serve you, not the other way around.�
Apr 1, 2016
Marcos You're not a fan of one Tesla's signature features, so therefore they are going in the wrong direction? Actually, YOU are going in the wrong direction even considering a Tesla if having a big screen dash bothers you. That's their thing. Why would they abandon it?
As others have noted, I find it brilliant. My whole world revolves around screens, and now my car does too. Perfect! There are plenty of cars that give you knobs galore. I am annoyed that my X has a real button for the hazard lights. I wish that was an on-screen feature as well.�
Apr 1, 2016
shinne The car doesn't fully drive itself, so stop talking about how it's the future. Maybe when we reach it we can get rid of it.
I want the speed just below of my eyes not off to the down right. You're getting a 0-60 in 6 second car, you want to see how much you're going and you want to do it without having to take your eyes off the road.
Also what about autopilot radar? In the Model S it's in the dash in front of you. Do you really want to have to look off to the center to see all that? You're taking your eyes off the road again when you need to be looking around you.�
Apr 1, 2016
Marcos The instrument panel has one thing that's useful: the speed gauge. Mine defaults to album cover art on the left, energy usage on the right. I actually like my energy usage on the big center screen, and I don't need album art. I can also glance at the center screen if I want to know what is playing.
So yeah, I'd love to have a single digital speed display, but in one of the test drive vehicles, the Tesla guy said they put that on the edge of the center screen so that you could keep an eye on speed with your peripheral vision. Beats me how well that works, but I'm curious to find out.
Update: oops, I lied. I forgot about the blind-spot warnings and radar tracking of other vehicles. That stuff is pretty cool and actually useful. Given that the 3 will have the autopilot hardware, would be nice to have this info also available. So I think I just changed my mind...�
Apr 1, 2016
shinne I think a lot of us that want something in front of our eyes, not on the clutter of the big screen. UI will probably refined but let's be honest removing the speed gauge from where is currently is, is like Microsoft taking the "Start" button from Windows 8. Of course we don't need RPM,voltage,temp in front of us. We just want the speed gauge in front, and for me I want the autopilot radar in there too.�
Apr 1, 2016
dmode I am trying to recall what information I glean from my instrument cluster on a regular basis. It is mostly speed, gas / range, outside temperate. Only 1 among those 3 require regular glances. The others are not frequent enough.�
Apr 1, 2016
stopcrazypp Right, for me, only speed is what I need glancing at regularly. I hope they have a HUD option, but the employees showing the car supposedly says it's viewable in peripheral vision from the top left corner of the touch screen. I would have to try in person to see if this is acceptable.�
Apr 1, 2016
AudubonB NOTE TO ALL who are discussing the eyes 6 o'clock<-->eyes center versus the eyes 4 o'clock<-->eyes center optic activity:
Unless you are expert in ergonometry, and more specifically optic ergonomics, you do not, with all due respect, know what you're talking about. As always, you are free to use the internet to post your opinion, but your opinion is uninformed and it is not valid.
This is not the same as it not being correct. It might be. I do not know: I likewise am not versed in optic ergonomics. But I am willing to go way out on a limb and say neither are you.
But it's a very stout and very long limb that I'm out on: the odds are very much in my favor.
Now, here is my own desideratum, and it is one others have mentioned (and before the Model 3, with the Model X. And before that, with the Model S. So it may very well be another example of the triumph of Hope over Experience):
* I also would hope that the production version of the Model 3 (and 2018's Ss and Xs) includes HUD. And that Tesla retains the utterly minimal dashboard as presented last night, rather than the atavistic ever-more-glommed out abomination that is what dashboards have, in their excrescent way, become over the past ten and twenty and thirty and forty and fifty years.�
Apr 1, 2016
djplong The cheapest Nissan or Kia has features missing on the Model 3. I had a rental recently, low-end car, and I could still control the radio volume with buttons on the steering wheel.
I'm sure the buttons from the "S" will be coming to the "3" - at least I hope so. For all the crowing about safety, the idea of removing features that keep your hands on the wheel (the steering wheel controls) and eyes on the road (no driver's side gauges) sounds a bit counter to Tesla's DNA. If a center-mounted speedometer was safer, I think they would have taken over by now. I could be wrong but this REALLY rubs me the wrong way.
A HUD would be a step up and we've had some 30 years to perfect THAT technology since it appeared on Buicks way back when. I have no problem with the idea of that being included in a 'tech package'.�
Apr 1, 2016
Mihai75 This thinking is unfortunately in the minds of mainly architects, and such thinking has produced things like these anxiety inducing inhuman "dwellings":
You are an ant. You live in a grey box. You go to work at your desk. This is what we have decided is "modern now", so you must adapt. Now you also drive to your desk, in another desk. Contemporary architects raved about such buildings. "It's modern, unhindered by traditional approaches". For me it's a sad, dehumanizing piece of garbage.
The hysteria to be as original as possible is not a good thing, it just right away trashes stuff that was thought out, had a certain elegance and esthetic. But simply because it's traditional, therefore old, it's therefore bad. You can have different gages in front of you other than temperature, RPM etc. You can say that it's minimalistic. For me it's just sad and sterile empty space. "1984" that's what it communicates to me. With a giant screen so the Ministry of Truth can always keep an eye on me. And if Tesla is so bold, why keep the exterior so "traditional"? The front part, without the inelegant stump at the end, looks very Porsche like, which is not a bad thing. And strangely enough everyone seems to agree the exterior is awesome. For the interior (the dash really) we get this love-hate thing going on....
I'm sorry but with a big, and now confirmed, also horizontal screen, not even integrated into the dash this time, and the rest being empty space, yes I feel like they took a desk and put a steering wheel on it. The office has finally also crept into my car. No thanks. Digital has its purpose, analog has its purpose. Analog will always have its purpose because we are humans, and we have fingers. We like to touch things, feel they are real. Analog means one tactile, 3D button does one thing (or a few things), so you have to be careful to not make things too cluttered, of course. Digital means a flat piece of glass that can draw anything, in 2D. Practical. But it's also cold, soulless, virtual. You press your finger on a piece of glass. And perhaps annoyingly, you find yourself often click-click-clicking to get to what you want. Balance digital with analog (the real). Here there is no balance. Me, a human, has to adapt to it. Because it's modern. Screw that.
This is very frustrating because everything else I love about this car, and this company. But this is just too ridiculous looking. If this is what it ends up looking like inside, more or less, I won't be getting one.�
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Apr 1, 2016
Thegreatdane What a douche comment�
Apr 1, 2016
Johan Belongs in a douche thread then, amirite?�
Apr 1, 2016
ummgood While a lot of us don't expert training in such I would say there are a lot of cars that have forced this on us and many have said they don't like it. Here are some of the cars I have driven with the off center setup... Prius, Toyota Echo, Scion xA/xB, Saturn, Mini Cooper (I want to say it was an ION). I really didn't like any of them. I owned an Echo for 2 years and that was one of my least favorite parts of the car. They have to be able to provide a way to glance and get relevant info right below where I am looking on the road or I won't like it. This is from living with the same setup for 2 years.
Have you driven those types of cars? If you like it then that is great but I really dislike it.
Tesla has to be able to come up with something that works, keeps the legroom, and the fancy ventilation. Maybe it is a heads up display but my issue is I live in Texas. The sun is really intense (I am also disappointed with the glass roof) I'll either have to get a tint job on it or get the metal option. But what happens when the sun is bright in this setup? My friend's new Toyota pickup has a radio in it that you can't even see in the afternoon. I hope they thought about this without a recessed instrument cluster.�
Apr 1, 2016
AudubonB About the sun:
I had the misfortune of having to spend last June and July in central Arizona, but the good fortune of having to do it with our Model S. I, and many others who live in such locations, can affirm that these vehicles' glass roofs are appropriately tinted both for proper viewing of Tesla's screens as well as for heat and UV irradiation. There is every reason to expect the Model 3 to be likewise.�
Apr 1, 2016
HookBill I have joyfully sat on my perch in this tree and read all the pros and cons people have regarding the Model 3 interior. In particular the MCU. Before I finally leave my dropping on the forest floor and fly away to another tree in this forum forest, I would like to make one comment to the OP.
I share your grief with regards to constantly feeling like you never leave work. I, and many others I know, have spent years in front of a computer screen and relish the time when we can step away from these devices for a period of time. And for some, they have almost completely abandoned them altogether.
I worked for years for a very large telecommunications company and have spent more than my fair share of time on endless conference calls and the constant stream of ringing phones. I finally realized that even though I worked for a phone company I actually hated phones. To this day I still cringe when I hear one ring. PTSD-like, to a degree, I guess.
With that being said, one of the signature elements in all Tesla cars is their large screen. That is not going away any time soon so there is no need in complaining about it. If you don't like it, there are other options on the market other than Tesla. This is America and you are free to purchase whatever type of vehicle you like. You already have the Volt, Leaf, E-Golf, etc. You will also have the Bolt and other all-electrics from other manufacturers to choose from. Somewhere in that vast universe of options will be an interior that should make you happy. To obsess over this one element simply tells me that perhaps you should be looking elsewhere for your next automobile. Nothing worse than getting into a space you feel should be soothing and free of stress only to find yourself haunted by those things you are trying to escape. That is not the way life should be lived.
I wish you well in your search for happiness. Now, off to another tree (thread).�
Apr 1, 2016
DarrenHD I mostly agree with you. Two things I didn't like about the Model 3: First, the "nose". I think it looks empty and therefore a bit weird. I guess I prefer the look of the Model S and the prototype Model X before they dropped the fake grill. Now, a license plate will be there in most places, so it will deflect from the "blank" space on the nose....but still it looks empty/blank and strange to me.
The interior really did disappoint me. Now people are saying two things - 1) The design is near 100%, and also 2) things will change alot. I hope #2 is correct....
OK, I love the idea of a large touch screen, it's great! But with it sticking out like that and not flush or more integrated into the dash - I just don't like it. Looks kind of stupid IMHO. The Model S/X is better. I also don't like the lack of a - even if basic - display right in front of the driver. They say "Oh you can look over with your peripheral vision and see the speed etc..". But to me that is still not as good as having it right in front of you.
Again, Model S/X does it right here having both the touch screen plus the traditional display directly in front of the driver/steering wheel.
I really do hope that the interior is made more like the Model S/X before the car goes on sale, or at least there is an option for an (IMHO) Model S/X type dash.�
Apr 1, 2016
JohnQ Yup, sun on the screen is far down the list of concerns. Display technology delivers plenty of brightness.�
Apr 1, 2016
JohnQ You don't like the design choice. That's fine. I don't like log cabins but there's still a market for them. If you're trying to convince people that there's an objectively right choice here then this will be a really long thread.�
Apr 1, 2016
tga I am not an expert in optic ergonomics, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn last night...
Seriously, though, I've driven a Mini Cooper for 8 years now, which is saddled with the silly look down and right nonsense. It's icky, tiresome, and annoying. I don't like it. I don't want it in my next car. Blech.
Now, add a HUD to the center screen, and my opinion changes 100%. I love the idea of a HUD, especially one that is re-configurable/customizable like the S's display�
Apr 1, 2016
3mp_kwh Agree. There's no reason electric drive has to come with such functional sacrifice. Things like menu-buried seat memory, on the center screen, join other buried functions that provide no tactile feedback and require that you take your eyes off the road. If you ask me, it comes down to traditional ergonomic approaches for drivers, versus being in service to some kind of statement. I don't want to make that trade, but Tesla keeps asking for it. More safety, more traction control, less ability to push the car or get the feeling its performance isn't in a straight jacket.�
Apr 1, 2016
Mihai75 Well, my point with showing that piece of....architecture, is that unfortunately it's usually the "modernists" who are not only the ones obsessed with being original (and strangely end up becoming ridiculously similar to each other) but also they are the ones telling others that the old is bad, we have decided for you that this is new, and thus good, because we are professional designers and we need to make a statement. And it's they that force their opinion on other people. Getting back to Tesla, if it's the same designers that created both the exterior and interior, check them for schizophrenia. This is a schizophrenic design. The exterior with it's "traditional" headlights, tail lights, smooth sexy feminine flowing forms, unified....pleases everybody. Nobody complains that it's boring, or old. Why is that? It's not terribly bold design-wise, to use a term designers like. Either make the whole thing cutting edge, brutalist, minimalist, "bold", whatever...or have a balanced design, exterior with interior.
As I said, it's just very frustrating, hence my reaction. Because I saw the exterior.....coooool, awesome, great....and then.....what the f*ck is that??? If the exterior had the same vibe as the interior I would have just said....meh....not my cup of tea, too bad. Of course this is just my opinion, no need to constantly mention that I hope. I've gotten it out of my system. If you love it, in and out, and you've decided to get it, then great for you, I'm envious.�
Apr 1, 2016
JPP Not sure if anyone at the Model 3 reveal/drive event got to see this and can comment, but regarding the instrument panel/dashboard/touchscreen issue, did anyone see the US DOT required warning lights in front of the driver & steering wheel? I know that in the USA there have to be certain warning/indicator lights that illuminate at engine start/bootup and then illuminate later for issues with the braking system, ABS, etc. There has to be a headlight & fog light indicator and high beam indicator. I know that the power up lamp display is a bit superfluous on the S and X instrument panel since there are no lamps to fail and thus no need for the traditional lamp test. But I presume that the US DOT (the same one that requires rear view mirrors when presumably cameras would be better and more aerodynamic) would still require indicator 'lamps ' in an arrangement for the driver to see. Are these now all in the new 15" touchscreen? If not, where are they on the Model 3? And if there is a small strip of indicators or the like, why not shoehorn in a small display for speed, gear (drive/reverse), etc.�
Apr 1, 2016
CHG-ON Call me old fashioned. But I simply cannot have a car without a driver's IP. I hope they rethink that. They have lots of time.�
Apr 1, 2016
ummgood On my 2001 Toyota Echo those were also moved with the speedometer to the middle of the dash. So I don't think there is a requirement to place them right in front of the driver...
I could be wrong though.�
Apr 1, 2016
arjay Hopefully, Steve Jobs would not return to sue if Tesla was to increase the radius of the touchscreen corners a bit more.�
Apr 1, 2016
Spidy What does that mean? I heard one of the drivers talk about this and can't make sense of it.�
Apr 1, 2016
TEG I assume they mean "Instrument Panel". Where you normally find a speedometer in-between the spokes of the steering wheel.
Instrument panel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Also known as Dashboard in a car, but we are talking about a spaceship now...)�
Apr 1, 2016
Vitold Instrument Panel�
Apr 1, 2016
400ev Hey all,
Just joined after reserving what could be my first EV. Excited that it would be a Tesla. Been a fan for many years and I'm impressed what Tesla has achieved.
I was a bit surprised how minimalist the interior is really. It will certainly take some getting used to. They seem to be going exactly the opposite direction of what a modern day porsche is like. Although I wish there were a few more buttons. Surely the production version could change . I think a good HUD would make up for the lack of a instrument cluster. Although that does add cost and I'm skeptical this would be a standard feature given the price point they're shooting for.
I do like the fact that the new screen is landscape mode as it lends to better ergonomics and better safety. The bottom of the model S screen is so low it seems like it would be a distraction if you had to press a button down below. It would require you to take your eyes off the road. This basically eliminates that problem. Although this orientation does make it hard to integrate it into the dash. I think that's probably why they had to mount it the way it is now.
I'm excited to see what the future holds for model 3.�
Apr 1, 2016
Khan3 One cool idea could be the concept of "smart phone as top dash console". This would allow you dock/charge yourr phone to the location reserved for the dash console, and connect to the car via bluetooth/wifi and pump stats to the phone.
You could choose whatever cockpit dash suits you fancy via the app and it would not add any cost to the car.�
Apr 1, 2016
DukeofURL This thread actually inspired me to sign up for this forum, after quite some time lurking. Everyone has their opinion about design issues, that's arguably one of the best things about design - the only way you can be "wrong" is if no one buys your product.
I've always admired the Model S's design inside and out, thought the big touchscreen inside would be distracting, but then visited Tesla stores a few times and nearly blew my wad on one more than once, haha. Just because you can, doesn't always mean you should though. When I heard news of the Model 3 came I was ecstatic, lined up outside the store at dawn even.
When the reveal came, I liked the exterior right away (despite the nose being a bit... unfinished looking, it grew on my quickly enough). When they showed the interior though... the dash is rough. As many others have said before, the monitor looks somewhat haphazardly pinned into place (though I like it landscape), the steering wheel has no shortcuts, and call me old but I really LIKE having a dash cluster in front of me. I've spent more time driving in my life than not driving at this point, and I'm only in my 30s, and that's what I'm used to. It doesn't have to be huge, but it has to offer the most vital information either via gauges, displays, or HUD. If Tesla really wants to innovate, they should look to Magic Leap's technology of painting a display directly on your retina, leaving your eyes free to look anywhere they want.
I also understand the want for physical, 3D knobs and buttons. They allow you to learn the physical position of a function, so you can use it without having to take your eyes off the road. Unfortunately that's a compromise that must be made in order to deliver always newer software to cars - if the button/knob layout changed, the older cars would be left out in the cold. It should be just that, though - a compromise. Currently we have an interface that requires YOU change to IT, and that's not a very comfortable way to be. A second display would hardly become outdated.
Eh, worst case scenario I sell my Model 3 to someone who decided they wanted one after the full production model comes out but doesn't want to wait, and pick up a used Model S.�
Apr 1, 2016
DukeofURL Oh, and one more "old interface" that no one has successfully updated - the QWERTY keyboard! There have been attempts, but none have gotten anywhere. It's just what everyone is used to, and comfortable with.�
Apr 1, 2016
400ev Another good thing about having a secondary display is fail safe. Imagine if the entire car runs off that one big screen and it fails, or breaks, or a software bug ....�
Apr 1, 2016
aaelghat The dash was specifically talked about in one of the Periscope test drive videos. Motor trend asked the Tesla driver (Doug) about the minimalist dash, and how close it was to what would be in production. Doug said it was pretty close, and that the team really thought a lot about what the experience should be for autonomous driving.
He also mentioned the air vents, and talked about how they thought through the cabin design and airflow, so I don't think the absence of air vents means that they will add some prior to production.�
Apr 1, 2016
ItsNotAboutTheMoney Ah yes, the glare. I don't like the glare (and apparently some felt can help with that) but I really don't care about the central position. Bowling taught me to look with my eyes instead of my head, so it's just another place to glance along with the rear-view mirror.
But, anyway, being "Cars by Elon" it's not going to happen. They did the minimum they needed to do. You had the shape, passenger space, trunk, frunk, touchscreen. Everything else up for grabs.�
Apr 1, 2016
mcghee33 There are a few things that I am surprised no one has picked up on in this thread yet. Let me start by saying that I have spent the last 18 hours chasing after every video on the internet of people's first drive experiences from last night and there are 3 things that are iterated in every single video by the Tesla drivers last night:
1. The version of the vehicle that we saw last night is a prototype BUT it is very close to production ready pending safety certifications and such.
2. In this video Tesla Motors @TeslaMotors the Tesla driver clearly states that the open dash with the center screen is very much how they wanted this vehicle to be designed. So people hoping for a physical instrument cluster in front of the driver will likely be disappointed.
3. This is the most important one of them all and follow me here. All of the drivers said that part of the design was the glass roof so that they could fit adults comfortably in the rear. So they moved the back seat back and THE FRONT SEATS FORWARD.
By moving the fronts seats forward they, for lack of a better word, 'squishing' the dash a bit so the ability to have a traditional dash in front of the driver was likely nearly impossible from an engineering perspective to make it look right. Because the entire dash sits much lower than ones in the MS, MX or many other vehicles on the road.
The only way that I think we see something directly in front of the driver is some form of HUD. But the way I see it, the only way that happens and why it would have been omitted last night , is because Tesla designed some new state of the art HUD for this vehicle. And while I very much hope that this is the case, I HIGHLY doubt that they would engineer something like this for their $3500 vehicle. This is more of a feature that would be released into a price increased MS that we know is coming sometime soon.
So maybe if/when we see a new iteration of the MS, we may get some clues about this based on what goes into the MS.
I highly encourage everyone to watch Tesla Motors @TeslaMotors (same as above) a couple of times, because there are other things talked about that aren't relevant to this particular thread.�
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