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Motor Trend live at Gigafactory with Model 3 today! part 3

  • Apr 22, 2016
    Boourns
    Here's the Google Earth view of the GF. You can get some idea of the size by how small the cars parked outside look. Also notice the size compared to the PetSmart and Walmart distribution centers to the west. Pretty comparable now, but if that is only 14% of the eventual size that thing is going to be incomprehensibly massive.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    tga
    Again, rounding/"unflattening" the nose and/or removing the upturned beak is a completely separate issue from adding "superfluous design elements like the stache'" or any other kind of silly fake grille. You can do one without the other.

    I'm talking about this kind of reshaping that has been discussed:

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  • Apr 22, 2016
    MitchB
    Here are a couple of images that were not included in the Motor Trend article! These are screenshots that include a beauty pic of the car and a really nice shot showcasing the roof and all of its glory. And FINALLY, For all you parents out there, here's a screenshot of an a baby carrier holder in a Model 3.

    Thanks,

    -Mitch
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    ttupper92618
    I understand and acknowledge we all have our own tastes. I simply prefer it as is.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Skotty
    I agree the nose could use a slight revision. Switching to the S/X style nose wouldn't be bad, but honestly, I kind of like the T on the hood. It looks good there. Maybe if they can just refine the curves a bit or something.

    The whole rest of the car looks awesome. The only changes I would approve of would be tweaks to the nose and changes necessitated by functional needs (e.g. if they revise the back to enlarge the trunk opening).
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    AZ Desert Driver
    Calling it names [duckbill , rounding , unflattening, upturned beak, silly fake grille] does indeed put a taint onto the image. Eye of the beholder and all that. I'd appreciate calling it more flowery names.
    I want the designer to make a car that I take as a whole - power, interior, exterior. If Tesla wants to brand it with an aero front, or with a 'statch. I don't want to micro-manage these details.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Boourns
    Where are these from?
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    MiamiNole
    I actually like the "T" nose of the S and X. But really, the front of the car is probably one of my least concerns as far as looks of the car go. Either option would be fine with me.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Garlan Garner
    Anyone have a link to the whole video from today? Was it a video? or was it just pics?
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    DougH
  • Apr 22, 2016
    MitchB
    These are from the Motor Trend SnapChat
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    tga
    Just to be clear, I'm not intending to critique your tastes. I don't have a strong opinion on it (well, I did, but it's mellowed with age).

    I'm just trying to emphasize that in the front end discussion, shape and decoration (grille, X-style mustache, whatever) tend to get merged, when they are two distinct aspects of the design.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    apacheguy
    IMO, the nose as is looks much better than the current X design. When we first saw the X nose I was like oh man, that looks... Ok? Sure glad my S has the original nose.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    ummgood
    I really love this car more than ever now!

    It is truly beautiful and I am glad it is smaller actually. I love driving smaller cars like Ford Focus but would want something more upscale and this provides it. Plus I know my kids could fit in it so that is a plus.

    I am disappointed by the staggered tire setup. I wish they made the 20" rims in a consistent size front/back. Do we really need 275's in the back? I hope they have a setup that has the standard front/back size but looks as amazing as these rims. Otherwise I might bite the bullet and get these anyway.

    Another thing I noticed on the car is how bare the space between the tail lights look. I wonder if making the taillights a bit wider would fix this?
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    arjay
    These new pics are terrific. They have mellowed me as well regarding the nose issues...while not an in-person real life viewing, it was much better at showing the nose to a realistic advantage. I also love the T logo on the hood, so my only remaining issue is with how will the front license plate integrate?
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Buckeye2320
    So does anyone else think that the Model ? looks like the Mazda 3 Sedan? Seems like a lot of the lines are the same?
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    ummgood
    I agree with you. I said it before that during the unveil the cars were on a stage so it gave an unrealistic impression of the car vs when you would stand next to it.

    The front is really growing on me. I was really disappointed by the interior too but now I have hopes for that too. I really love the car. I can't wait until I get mine. I am driving my wife nuts talking about it all the time!
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    ummgood
    Personally I don't like Mazda's design language. I don't get that feel from the Tesla. I think part of it is I always think the Mazda looks like it has a happy face in the front. I want my car to look mean. I don't think they are as bad as they used to be.

    With that said a lot of cars this size have similar design language. I think Tesla pulls off the side profile better with the back window going to a point instead of having a cut off look.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    dgindio

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    Exclusive: Tesla Model 3
    Photo Shoot at the Gigafactory

    We're honored to be the first media outlet of any kind to get time with the Model 3, especially at the much-talked-about Gigafactory in Nevada.

    So we've pulled out all the stops. We flew in Motor Trend testing director and resident Tesla expert Kim Reynolds for the day so that he could make his sage observations and insightful analysis. We also stuffed a crack team of Motor Trend staffers into our long-term Honda Pilot and Kia Sedona and drove nearly 500 miles north to Reno.

    What did we see and find out? Read on.

    READ MORE
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    stopcrazypp
    Shouldn't be a surprise given Fraz used to be the head of design for Mazda (and most of the Mazdas today still follow similar styling).
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    dhanson865
    I'd rather have 17" wheels. Tires are cheaper and there are more options usually at more mainstream tire sizes.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    JohnSnowNW
    I'd have to see how 17"s look. I do care a little about the aesthetics.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    BluestarE3
    I love that top view. From this angle, the nose and tail are much rounder than they seem from the side shots. Also, the three sections of glass are clearly delineated and the top section (which apparently can be metal, fixed glass or panorama) is quite small. I'd hate to break up that beautiful continuous expanse of glass with a patch of metal, so I'm hoping the solid glass roof is standard.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    S3XY
    LOL. I essentially just said the same thing in the Model 3 Dimensions thread.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    etm33
    I'd really hope that, given it's such a small piece, if metal is standard and fixed glass is an upcharge, it will be a minor cost ($100-$250). I agree that the all-glass is gorgeous, and I don't need it to open, but if it's a $1000 for all glass I'm going to be bummed.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Buckeye2320

    Thanks Captian Obvious.

    Von Holzhausen began his professional design career in 1992, assisting design on the VW Concept One (the �New Beetle� of the 90s).

    He then worked for GM for five years before going to Mazda in 2005. There, Von Holzhausen designed the Mazda Kabura, a well-received sporty concept car.

    Going even farther back, Von Holzhausen attended Syracuse University for two years before transferring to the Art Center College of Design in Pasadena (notable alumni include movie director Michael Bay of the �Transformers� franchise and Chris Bangle, former chief of design at BMW). He has a Bachelor�s in Transportation Design.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    brianman
  • Apr 22, 2016
    telero
    My wife sent me a link to the Motor Trend article. These are my responses to her as I went through the article and the videos.

    Pretty horribly written and executed in my opinion.

    Maybe I was being a little harsh, but it was not as good as it could/should have been.


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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Curtish8892
    I agree. This front end will grow on people. When I was young I did not like the rear end and the nose of the Porsche 911. Now that I am an adult I see the beauty. I think the model 3, S and X will be timeless classics.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Snow Drift
    While I prefer lightweight 17x9 with wide summer tires, I think due to the bulky rear quarter panels 18s will look better.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    plankeye
    Yes, I think 18's will look great, and be the standard size.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    HanSolo
    That is how I feel. Most people are not aware of just how much weight big rims can add. Every extra pound of reciprocating weight is equivalent to adding 7 lbs to the curb weight of the vehicle. This affects just about everything from braking distance, acceleration, handling, and what affects that will affect fuel economy. Our roads are also horrendous and super low profile tires will cause the vehicle to ride bad and the rim to be very susceptible to damage. If they are cast aluminum rims, they are usually not repairable although there are some companies who claim to be able to do so. Forged aluminum is repairable, but forged aluminum rims are usually VERY expensive.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    AUSinator
    The Tesla M3 is one of the most beautiful cars I have ever seen in its class ever. It's not perfect as I think the rear tail lights are a bit wide or you could say fat. However considering the rest is soo beautiful it does not matter too much. For people not happy with the design there a alternatives EV's like GM Bolt or Nissan Leaf or Mitsubishi ImiEV.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    ggnykk
    The current Gigafactory building that you see is only about 1/8 of the eventual building. It will be the world's largest building by foot print and world's 2nd largest building by volume when everything is done by 2019.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    AZ Desert Driver
    The Giga ...as I understand is (only,just) an assembly point today. Panasonic batteries are shipped in and packaged into Powerwalls. No ore processing, no battery manufacturing, no car battery pans. Thats today...but in a few (days,months,years) things will be different. I was so hoping to get a glimpse of where they are in this ramp up stage. The snow roof just was not enough for me.
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  • Apr 23, 2016
    weak_pig
    Does Nevada get snow? If so, will the weight of the snow cause the GF roof to collapse?
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  • Apr 23, 2016
    AZ Desert Driver
    The Motor Trend photo shoot went to the roof top of the 1/8 finished Giga factory building and were blinded by the reflection off the white roof. They called it a salt flat, or snow field. I found a video of a snow white roof not very exciting. The size of the place is amazing, but one can look at a salt flat for only so long before needing something more compelling.
    Yes, Nevada gets snow. If you watch the video of the construction progress on the GF, there are some seasons where there was snow on the ground. Roofs are designed to carry a snow load. As long as the building was designed by competent engineers and built by competent construction companies and inspected by informed inspectors the snow load should not be a problem with the GF or other buildings in Reno or the US.
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  • Apr 23, 2016
    wdolson
    My father is an Art Center alum, though he graduated before they moved to Pasadena. I think he graduated in 1947 if I remember correctly, it may have been 46. The place didn't have the rep it has now.

    I'm sure it's capable of holding up to whatever Nevada winters throw at it. They get snow, but heavy snow is rare. This last winter had a record snow fall:
    Reno, Nevada plastered by freak heavy snow event

    The Lake Tahoe area, which is not that far away, has a ski resort. Reno and Sparks are at lower altitude and get a lot less snow though.
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  • Apr 23, 2016
    timber107
    Was that the undercarriage next to the M3 in the video? . No pictures of that?...
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  • Apr 23, 2016
    ecarfan
    No that was an S chassis.

    MotorTrend really learned nothing significant about the Model 3 that attentive Tesla fans didn't already know. But MT really tired to milk their "access" for as much web traffic as they could.
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  • Apr 23, 2016
    bmenius
    Hah... nice. I'd not have thought of that.
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  • Apr 23, 2016
    graphix25
    Sure is a nice looking car. I would have never consider a silver car with a white interior but damn... I was originally thinking multi-coat red and a black leather interior. Going to be a tough decision.

    Do we known what Motortrend has planned for this photo and video shoot? All the picture came from phones from folks in attendance not the high resolution cameras. I assume they are planning a TV or youtube special or something?
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  • Apr 24, 2016
    Chrisuk83
    Thought some of you would want to see this, video in link http:// electrek.co/2016/04/23/tesla-model-3-driving-gigafactory/
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  • Apr 24, 2016
    tga
    The article mentions they need to go through the DSLR photos and videos, and that the only things they posted so far were phone pictures (excuse me, "iPhone pictures" - they plugged their choice of phones almost as much as their social media accounts).

    There was a hint about a cover - maybe they have a big feature planned for the print magazine.
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  • Apr 24, 2016
    ecarfan
    All Electrek is doing is talking about the MotorTrend video which is has been discussed for days in this topic (mod edit: threads merged, link removed)

    Electrek has nothing new to add. And of course MotorTrend has nothing new to add to what is already known about the Model 3, but they doing everything they can to make it sound like they do, talking about being given "exclusive access" at a "secret location" (the Gigafactory, which is not a secret"). MT is a blast of hot air.
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  • Apr 24, 2016
    ModelNforNerd

    but...but....THEY HAVE iPHONES!!!!!!!


    LOL.
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  • Apr 24, 2016
    arjay
    No wheelbase dimension, and adding insult to injury there is police tape perfectly aligned covering the major "nose" discussion view...arrrghh!
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  • Apr 25, 2016
    hdgmedic
    I was wondering why they put pictures of a mazda in the middle of the Tesla photos. Was that to draw a comparison? The red car definitely is NOT a Model 3.
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  • Apr 25, 2016
    SR22pilot
    This sure is a tough crowd. It was a live streaming event from a phone. They didn't show the interior because Tesla asked them not to. Heck, they weren't even allowed to ride in the car much less drive it. So, imagine you write for a car magazine. Do you avoid the photo shoot since you can't drive the car? As for the streaming of the shoot I thought it was a nice bit of insight into what they do including showing how there is a bunch of repetitive boring stuff to get those few published shots. The impromptu styling analysis was very good. I liked the talk of the challenges of the short hood and the high floor due to the battery pack. How would your work day come across if you screamed it live? Other than starting and stopping the streaming there wasn't any editing. The rooftop seems to have been them trying to get a feel for the size of the Gigafactory. It was a boring stream but probably seemed like a good idea at the time.

    I'm not a big Motor Trend fan so reading what I just wrote feels weird but I was just happy to get more 3 video.

    The more video I see of the 3 the more I like it.
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  • Apr 25, 2016
    ModelNforNerd

    It kinda came off as "annoying millennial hour".

    "ZOMG! We used our iPhones." That's cute. you have an iPhone. Maybe you could hold it the right way when streaming live video. Vertical? really?

    and as far as the "exclusive" part. We are a tough crowd. the only "new" thing was that we saw it driving in daylight, and maybe enough angles for people to start extrapolating the dimensions. Other than that, it was pretty much clickbait. Unfortunately, that's all we're going to get for a while.
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  • Apr 25, 2016
    ecarfan
    I'm critical of MT because they hyped their "exclusive access" at a "secret location" (a lie) as if they were going to provide Model 3 information that had never been revealed before. As you point out, Tesla restricted them to photographing the exterior of the car and MT learned nothing new.

    So imagine you write for a car magazine. Your job is to provide your readers with useful information. In this instance, MT provided absolutely no useful information, and failed to do its job. But it succeeded in getting people to click through to its website. Which was of course what MT wanted to happen.
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  • Apr 25, 2016
    ModelNforNerd
    So, I know people were attempting to do some extrapolations here, based on the MT photos.

    I found this:

    Chapter 4 - Sidewalk Design Guidelines and Existing Practices - Sidewalks - Publications - Bicycle and Pedestrian Program - Environment - FHWA


    The "standard" US sidewalk is 60 inches (5 ft) wide.

    If this picture is to be believed (if this is a "standard" US sidewalk), the Model 3 looks to be JUUUUSSSTTT about 5 feet wide, not counting mirrors.

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  • Apr 25, 2016
    jonnyg
    So that would make the width roughly the same as a Mitsubishi i-MiEV, Fiat 500, or Smart fortwo. Probably not a standard sidewalk.

    If it's a 6 ft sidewalk, then it's the width of a BMW 3 series or Audi A3 (71" roughly). Makes more sense.
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  • Apr 25, 2016
    ModelNforNerd

    the other extrapolation that can be tried:

    a standard CA license plate (which this APPEARS to be) is 12"L x 6" high......
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  • Apr 25, 2016
    ttupper92618
    It's just really unlikely that it is that narrow. A Corolla is 69.9" as a comparison. A CRV is 71.6". Neither of those are exactly huge vehicles, so I would find it very surprising for the M3 to be under about 70". Remember, it is supposed to be able to seat 3 in the back.
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  • Apr 25, 2016
    ModelNforNerd

    I'm trying. I didn't see data from anyone else.

    I'd guess closer to 6 ft wide, especially since I have an A3 and that's about how wide it is....but even then, 3 adults across the back is not that comfortable in the A3. Does the lack of a "hump" make that much difference?
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  • Apr 25, 2016
    Dan Detweiler
    I doubt there is a hump since there is no drive train to put a hump over.

    Dan
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  • Apr 25, 2016
    ModelNforNerd

    I'm aware of that.

    I'm asking if the lack of said hump makes that much difference in the comfort of the middle rear seat passenger?
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  • Apr 25, 2016
    ttupper92618
    Hey I appreciate your efforts.

    The A3 has exterior dimensions of more than 77" including mirrors, but Audi cheats and won't say what they are without. But perhaps wheelbase offers a better clue. A3 has a wheelbase of about 60 inches, and if that sidewalk is standard, so would the M3. So the A3 could be a good size comparison.
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  • Apr 25, 2016
    TEG
    This one? :
    m3-plates.png

    US license plates tend to be 12" wide. So 6 license plates=72"
    So that would suggest (perhaps), it could be less than 70" wide, which would make me happy.
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  • Apr 25, 2016
    ModelNforNerd

    pretty interesting if that is the case. Elon has been comparing it to the A4 all along.

    and if it DOES come in around the size of an A3...well, I already know my garage won't be an issue.

    ;)
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  • Apr 25, 2016
    brianman
    @TEG - How about comparing the loaded rear tire width with the sidewalk to see if it matches either 5ft or 6ft?
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