Feb 18, 2016
Max* Since when do cars come without floormats?�
Feb 18, 2016
physicsfita It seems to me that the more apt analogy would be that it would be like selling a car without a gas pump.
Again, to be clear, I'm not saying that this is something Tesla absolutely would do, but if they get stuck trying to figure out how to get the last couple hundred dollars off the sticker price, I could see that as being tempting. The logical downside of the argument, of course, would be the negative press if someone ran out of charge and hadn't bought an "optional" UMC. Twiglett's proposal of something designed to be emergency-use-only would avert that negative press and still keep the sticker price down.
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The floor mats on my Prius were an option.�
Feb 18, 2016
Max* i.am.shocked�
Feb 18, 2016
gregincal A 110v mobile charger wouldn't be out of the question, since that's what pretty much every other EV sold in the US provides (they would have an option for a full UMC). I don't really expect it, though, since 110v charging isn't very useful for a large battery car. Providing no mobile charging solution with the car I think would be almost unprecedented and lead to extremely negative press.�
Feb 18, 2016
Az_Rael
I don't know - I'll bet the Bolt only comes with a 110v EVSE standard with a large battery. Chevy likes to market how you don't need an expensive Level 2 charger to be able to own an EV. Just plug it into any regular household outlet and all. Any upgraded EVSE/ DC charging capability will be additional costs.
That's actually the first thing people ask me when they find out I drive an EV - they want to know if I had to pay lots of $$ to have a charger put in.�
Feb 18, 2016
Lloyd How about no center console screen and back to analog gagues? Manual speedo :scared: or Hand-Crank Windows..... anyone remember those!!�
Feb 18, 2016
1208 Passenger seats which you can raise height of.
Rear windows to be electrified not manual like on my current new car...�
Feb 18, 2016
etm33 Floormats were optional on my three previous cars: 2005 Nissan Xterra, 2008 Nissan Altima, and 2013 Subaru Outback. Granted, all three were base models, but the mats were ~$80 for carpeted ones (Altima) and ~$150 for rubber formed ones (Xterra and Outback - kinda necessary with the winters we get).
Yes, you can get aftermarket ones cheaper, but generally they don't fit right or fully cover the footwells. Easy profit for the dealers.
That said, I don't think Tesla will do the same, since the cost to manufacture/purchase in quantity has got to be utterly minimal, and there's no dealer to need a cut. I also think the Model 3 will come with a UMC standard.�
Feb 18, 2016
dgpcolorado I don't really get the suggestions that the 3 will come with a 50 kWh battery. If it is true that the Bolt has a 60 kWh battery there is no way the 3 won't have one at least as big, even though it will be a more efficient car. And Musk has said that he wants a real world range of 200 miles, which means an EPA range of substantially more than 200; at least 220, more likely 240 EPA for the base 3. That's the main reason why the S60 was discontinued in favor of the S70 IMO. So, a 50 kWh Model 3 with a 200 mile EPA range? Not going to happen.�
Feb 18, 2016
GregRF Do you think that the inverter and charger are free? High voltage cabling? How about all the accessories that now need extra motors or electronics to run? Why do you think it costs $5k to add a front motor to a tesla?
There is more to an EV than just a motor and a battery.�
Feb 18, 2016
Model 3 As long I don't get this hand-crank on my model 3, I will not complain
Or it may come with a hand-crank charger?
But the windows I'm sure will be electric, just like the car....�
Feb 18, 2016
gregincal Yes, but nothing remotely close to the cost and complexity of a gasoline engine and automatic transmission.�
Feb 18, 2016
Drucifer The real reason the S60 was discontinued in favor of the S70D, was the 70 battery was needed to make range in the Model X, so the S benefited from that. They also thought that by introducing the 70D (10 more on the battery, all wheel drive and AP hardware) that they would sell more cars / have a better value proposition....and they were right about that.
BTW, optional floor mats are totally possible as is a 55 battery in Model 3, IMHO (expect 55 with upgrade to 75...but we will see).�
Feb 18, 2016
Max* IIRC the 70D was introduced before the 70.
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I'm still shocked about the floor mats. A friend of ours bought a new (2016?) Mazda 3. Barebones, $17k I think. I sat in his car, I'm 99% sure he had floor mats, and I'm 100% sure he had power windows.
I see no way Tesla has manual windows. I'm still shocked about the floor mats.�
Feb 18, 2016
Drucifer I put 70D in the latter part of the post, but should have been more clear at the beginning, but I meant 70D introduced along with ocean blue and warm silver (titanium) in early spring 2015.�
Feb 18, 2016
etm33 I agree. Power windows/locks, key fob, AC, floor mats will certainly be there. This car needs to compete with entry level luxury, not a Yugo.�
Feb 18, 2016
Reeler If the Model Y crossover has falcons, it will be to accommodate a third row of seating. The CuteUte compact SUV segment includes the RAV4, CRV, etc. all offer a third row of seating. Only the sub-compact SUVs lack a third row option such as the Jeep Renegade.
I personally hate the idea of falcon doors so hope you are right that the Model Y only has two rows and standard doors.�
Feb 18, 2016
Lloyd Maybe Pedals like Barney Rubble??
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Feb 18, 2016
JoRey The Model III will have power windows, that is a fact. Otherwise it would be a marketing disaster. However what ever the base Model III's battery size is. I hope Tesla states the true capacity, we still don't know the outcome of the latest controversy. Although my dad's new $42,000 F150 does not have navigation, floor mats or even a bed cover as standard........�
Feb 18, 2016
GregRF I agree that cost will be less in the long run, but I don't think it is currently there. In the open market $3.5k you can buy an AC35 motor kit (50 hp) or a 350 chevy crate engine (300hp).
I think Tesla is currently ahead of the open market in this respect. The $5k upgrade to add the front motor (220hp) shows this is true, but only up to the point where they are on par with the ICE. Hopefully once the ramp up of Model 3 happens they can start to get these costs well below equivalent ICEs and start eating into the battery cost.�
Feb 18, 2016
Twiglett err - which CRV are you looking at that offers third row?
My wife has a current model CRV Touring and there is no third row or space to fit one.
Actually, couldn't find a current Rav4 that offers a third row either?
Maybe you're thinking of the Pilot or similar which would be more Model X sized?�
Feb 18, 2016
Reeler 2012 RAV4 had three rows. 2017 CRV has three rows.�
Feb 19, 2016
Twiglett One isn't available any longer being a 2012 and the other is only rumored.
Unless you've seen something concrete about the 2017 CRV- my wife would be pissed about missing that though
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Feb 19, 2016
Reeler Missing the point. I am just saying falcons make sense for three rows. Indeed, three rows are possible in the compact SUV segment. There are Chevy, Ford and Jeep examples too.
You say three rows are not possible which is not true, but if it is, don't expect falcons on the Model Y.�
Feb 20, 2016
cab I have a bad feeling that Tesla will, to focus on manufacturing efficiencies, adopt the Japanese automaker model whereby:
1. They have 3-5 distinct trim levels (i.e. think Honda's LX, EX, Ex-L, etc.)...with no options other than color of interior/exterior at a given trim level.
2. Certain features are only available by going up to the next 1 or even 2 trim levels. This could include supercharging.
3. The larger battery options (if they even exist), will be tied exclusively to the higher profit trim levels.
While folks may not like it, the best selling cars in America (Camry and Accord) have been doing it for years...�
Feb 20, 2016
tga Why market like Honda when you're looking to attract BMW and Audi buyers, not Honda buyers?�
Feb 20, 2016
igotzzoom Third rows on anything smaller than a Pilot or Explorer are essentially useless for anyone other than preteens, IMHO. If you are routinely using the third row, you should look at midsize or larger, or bite the bullet and get a minivan. I'm sorry, not a popular opinion, but based in truth.�
Feb 20, 2016
cab Because they will likely need all the help they can get to hot their price/volume targets profitably. Honestly though, I don't think this will matter to anyone beyond the tiny percentage of folks on car forums!�
Feb 20, 2016
Spidy It will matter for anyone once they open the configurator.
If I want Autopilot do I have to get one of the higher trims? Do I have to get a battery upgrade to even get certain options?
The advantage of individual options is that people can choose what matters to them. Someone living in a cold area will value a cold weather package and seated heats a lot more. Someone in California might want a panoramic roof.
I agree that it makes a lot of sense from cost saving and easy to manufacture standpoint, but when you have a lot of expensive options as well as expensive battery and AWD versions you would alienate a lot of buyer when option xyz is not available at a certain price point. I could have seen other companies do that with Autopilot, but I highly doubt Tesla will do that.
Btw. BMW NA also does not have several options on the lowest engine availsble, but the upgrade to the next isn't as higher as I expect Tesla's battery upgrades to be. BMW Germany is also completely different... insane amount of options.�
Feb 20, 2016
Transepoch Is that really any different than all the bundling they do now? Want fog lights, pay for premium interior. Want satellite radio stations, pay for premium speakers (and sun roof,) or need a standalone device for the new car you just bought.�
Feb 20, 2016
WarpedOne That is very likely.
I'd guess they would also offer a few options that could be added in SC before delivery at absurd markup. Say $500 for rubber mats or some other add-on.�
Feb 20, 2016
cab It is broader than what they do now. As an example, my parents bought a new Honda Accord about 18 months ago. The base car is the LX. The next trim level is the SE, and then the EX, EX-L, and EX-L Navi. As you can kind of tell from the names, you have to step up all the way to the EX-L to get leather, and another level to get navigation. You can't just add those options to an LX, Se, or EX.�
Feb 20, 2016
Az_Rael Hmm, I usually like the idea of just a few trim lines vs tons of individual options. Makes me feel less like I am being nickeled and dimed when I am configuring. I just pick the trim level I am comfortable with, then pick the fun stuff like the colors.�
Feb 20, 2016
S3XY Yeah, except you know that one feature you really want is only available in the top level trim and you don't need half the other things that come with it.�
Feb 20, 2016
Brad_NC To achieve similar driving range and performance as the Model S/X has, I do believe that the Model ? will require less battery capacity. Just as Premium Sedans with ICEs have gas tanks 33% larger than "Standard/Sport Sedans." (Based on that math, we can expect to see a Model ? 52.5 and a Model ? 67.5.) Consider the lower weight of a smaller car, the suggested reduction of the drag-coefficient, and a smaller surface area to start with... we can expect a slight reduction of those numbers yet.
FWD or RWD, I don't know... but you can bet that the base model will be a Single Motor design, with an AWD upgrade option.
Overall range and performance probably will be very similar to the Model S, with the S having just the slightest advantages. Tesla doesn't want this car to pose the question, "Why not get a Model ??" They want this car to pose the question, "Why would I get anything but a Model ??"
Extrapolated configurations should be...
-Model ? 50 (230 mile range) (5.8 seconds 0-60 mph) $35,000
-Model ? 50D (240 mile range) (5.5 seconds 0-60 mph) $40,000
-Model ? 65D (288 mile range) (4.5 seconds 0-60 mph) $53,000
-Model ? P65D (270 mile range) (3.4 [3.1 "Ludicrous-Equivelant" Mode] seconds 0-60 mph) $73,000
Upgrade Options:
-Paint upgrades start at: $750
-Extended Glass Roof Options: $1,000
-Wheel and Tire Packages will start at: $1,000
-Leather Interior Package: $1,500
-Autopilot: $2,500
-Premium Interior & Lighting: $2,500
-Smart Air Suspension (with basic presets): $1,500
-Improved Sound System: $1,500
-Sub-zero Weather Package $1,500
-Dual Chargers: $2,000
Standard Features:
-5-Star NHTSA in all categories
-Supercharger Access Standard
-13" Touchscreen Center Console (15" touchscreen for $750)
-Digital Driver Information Center scaled down just a bit
-Compatibility with all common roof-rack systems
-Front Trunk
-Rear Trunk
-Parking sensors and blind spot warning
-Up to four LATCH child seat attachments
-8 year, infinite mile battery and drive unit warranty-4 year, 50,000 mile limited warranty
Don't Expect:
-Falcon Wing Doors
-Summon
-Big Sky Panoramic Windshield
-Bio-Weapon Defense Mode
-Seating for more than 5
-14-way power adjustable, heated front seats with memory
I cloud go on all day, but lets save your sanity, haha. (Sorry, I'm just really excited... probably too excited considering this is still 15-21 months away.)�
Feb 20, 2016
Az_Rael Eh, I've never actually been able to pick and choose my options, not really. You always find out that they only make option package X with option package Y, or my favorite from Lexus "We don't sell cars in color Z in your region". I have never actually been able to order a car completely from scratch exactly as I want it, so I guess that is what is currently unique about Tesla. Will be interesting to see if they keep it that way.�
Feb 21, 2016
cab Great list Brad, and I find myself doing the same thing I do when configuring a 3 series from BMW online (or similar). You go in with the base price in mind, quickly decide you want the "fast one" (or at least second to fastest) and of course leather, and adaptive cruise, and dang that upgraded suspension would be nice with those larger rims and tada...$60k, and I'm right back to considering getting a larger, roomier, CPO 5 series. Same thing will happen with ME here. Given the number of base 3 series I see running around though, I'm sure many Model IIIs sold will be base cars with leather and maybe autopilot (unless they do the Japanese "trim lines" bit).�
Feb 21, 2016
Reeler I agree. My preference would be no third row and no falcons.�
Feb 21, 2016
ModelNforNerd Why AutoPilot but no Summon? EM's goal is full autonomy, and in his intro for the Summon feature, he said just that. A little bit of a headscratcher if they were to leave that out.�
Feb 21, 2016
Twiglett that is an interesting point. Tesla are going to want us to actually buy the Model 3, not jump to a CPO Model S.
So I think they will not be deliberately hobbling Model 3 as some have suggested, but will concentrate on making it compelling in its own right.
Like Brad said, they want us to be asking "why would I get anything but a Model ?"
The choice of getting Model S or Model ? should be down to size, not features.�
Feb 21, 2016
gregincal Summons is just part of autopilot, it's not a separate feature.�
Feb 21, 2016
Brad_NC I suppose that my thought process here is model distinction. Obviously I have no inside information or I would be too busy of a person to be posting here, haha. I just expect that Tesla has to make some hard decisions to help distinguish the various models, and with the X is was easy... Extra seats, Falcon Wing doors, Towing capability. But the sedans have a very blurred lines. If you don't pick something to separate them, why would anyone choose the S? Just to pay more to have less garage space? See, there has to be a compelling reason to purchase each individual model. The S has to demand respect and desire for someone with a budget For it, or they will simply spend less on the best Model 3.�
Feb 21, 2016
diamond.g What do you guys think about the door handles, will they be like a regular car or will they be like the Model X?�
Feb 21, 2016
S'toon Regular.�
Feb 21, 2016
Twiglett I really don't think they will do that though.
Model X is $5K more than Model S, but you choose one over the other based on your needs.
From most of the reviews it sounds like the X is much better than the S, but if you want a sedan the choice is clear.
People will choose the S because its bigger everywhere, much roomier etc
The BMW 3 series isn't less capable than the 5 Series, its just smaller. It doesn't have bits missing compared to its bigger brother.
In a lot of ways the BMW M3 is a better car than the M5 - why wouldn't that be the case with Model ?�
Feb 21, 2016
diamond.g yeah I think the same. Would like Kessy but even that is pretty expensive. If the car can detect the key, the Model X handles should be fairly low maintenance for auto unlocking. Not a big fan of real regular doors like in my wifes Forester.�
Feb 21, 2016
Spidy No, but the price difference also isn't that big. And in the 7-Series there are actually many luxury features you can't get in a 5-Series.�
Feb 21, 2016
Reeler I think they will maintain the shape like on the Model S and X, but they will be regular with room below them to pull. On the Model X, they have the same shape, but they are just buttons to open the doors.�
Feb 21, 2016
diamond.g I wonder how that will alter the aerodynamics.�
Feb 21, 2016
MiamiNole Currently, there aren't that ?many features in the Model S that make me think "luxury that I can't get in a Model 3". Most of the things that draw me to the car (electric motors, AP, supercharging) are things that I would think are staples of owning a Tesla and not just luxury features of the Model S/X. Other features (AWD, leather, premium sound system, larger wheels, etc) are options that you would expect to have on most cars in that price range. And even if you didn't get the exact same option as the model S for things that fall in that category, you surely would be able to get the same type of option. The one thing that I could see them keeping exclusively for the S is the panoramic roof. That is certainly an option that stands out for which I would surely be disappointed if it wasn't an option on the Model 3. But it wouldn't be a deal breaker.�
Feb 21, 2016
Trev Page There's nothing wrong with Model 3 pricing getting close and overlapping lower end Model S prices. It's not a requisite that pricing has to be completely separate and not encroach on a higher end product line. It happens all the time with cars and electronics. It just boils down to features and what best fits your needs�
Feb 21, 2016
ModelNforNerd
I figured as much. Someone else had Summon on their "don't expect it on Model 3" list.�
Feb 21, 2016
1208 AP Will be standard as Elon has said in addition to EVs the other big change will be driverless vehicles. Tesla is a tech company wouldn't be right for it not to have it.�
Feb 21, 2016
Red Sage The Model ? will NOT be an econobox. It will not be front wheel drive. It will not compete directly with the LEAF or BOLT. Neither will it compete against the Corolla, Focus, Golf, Civic, Cruze, Sentra, Rio, or Elantra.
It is highly unlikely that Tesla Motors will even be able to build an econobox within the next ten years. The companies that build the world's most popular econoboxes all move nearly a million each of them worldwide, and have a capacity of around 10,000,000 cars overall. I think you are mistaking Generation III vehicles with a thus far unannounced Generation IV.�
Feb 21, 2016
Twiglett my thoughts exactly
The chances of the Model 3 being a cut price econobox with FWD is about as high as it having Mr Fusion instead of a battery.�
Feb 21, 2016
ModelNforNerd
and to further the point, who says Tesla even makes an econobox down the road?
Why water down their brand? Why not just become a battery partner for someone who wants to slog through high volume econobox production?
best of both worlds really. They can focus on making the cars they want to, and still help advance their goal of clean EV driving for the masses.�
Feb 21, 2016
ChadFeldheimer Regarding competing with the BMW 3-series, I believe the quote was only in the context of "performance". And in my opinion, primarily acceleration.
Therefore, I expect a 0-60 time of 6-7 seconds on the base model. I expect powertrain upgrades to improve acceleration to be comparable to the M3 - or better.
Furthermore, I expect the overall spec level of the base car to be comparable to an Accord/Camry/Fusion/Bolt (e.g. a 25k ICE vehicle). And I expect trim levels or option packages to increase the spec level to Model S levels.�
Feb 21, 2016
ModelNforNerd
Stop getting hung up on the post-tax credit price. 35K. 35K. say it with me now. 35. not 25. 35. Smile.....�
Feb 21, 2016
ChadFeldheimer Sorry for not being clear.
I expect the base 35k (pre-incentives) Model 3 to have an overall spec level comparable to a 25K Camry, Fusion, or Accord. In other words, not econobox, but also not entry level luxury.�
Feb 21, 2016
ModelNforNerd Until we're told more, we'll all just have to wait and see who is right.
I think a $35,000 Model 3 will be similarly equipped to a base model CLA or A3.�
Feb 21, 2016
MitchJi I agree. 60kWh or 70kWh pack is minimum.
What does everyone think the chances are of the big windshield, like the MX? Elon was gushing about how nice it is on the CC.�
Feb 21, 2016
dgpcolorado I sure hope not. Replacing windshields due to rock damage is routine here. I sure don't want to pay for that fancy, fantastically expensive, Model X-type windshield because the truck in front of me kicked up a rock.�
Feb 21, 2016
mknoebel I'm also from Colorado and the rock damage to winshields is real. Most insurance does have an add on to replace winshields any time there is a crack. Would be interesting to see if that would be more expensive with a Model X type winshield.�
Feb 21, 2016
ArtC +100�
Feb 21, 2016
S'toon I don't think so. I think having a large windshield like that would drive up the costs, and they're trying to contain that with the 3. Going with the tried, true, and easy to do at a reasonable cost.�
Feb 21, 2016
SMSMD Agree, will be a regular windscreen , COST is the selling point for this model and keeping the base model as affordable as promised makes sense.�
Feb 21, 2016
Brad_NC
Since "battery technology improves about 5% per year," Model S keeps getting better, "the Model ? should use mostly new technology," and I'm just plain hopeful... I'll adjust my expectations.
-Model ? 55 (265 mile range) (5.5 seconds 0-60 mph) $35,000
-Model ? 55D (275 mile range) (5.2 seconds 0-60 mph) $40,000
-Model ? 70D (320 mile range) (4.2 seconds 0-60 mph) $50,000
-Model ? P70D (300 mile range) (3.1 seconds 0-60 mph) $60,000
-Model ? P70DL (300 mile range) (2.8 seconds 0-60 mph) $65,000�
Feb 21, 2016
Tam Historically, to be true to the promise of relatively low price, barebone 40 kwh Model S was introduced (then quickly discontinued) as Supercharger-unabled, no-auto-presenting door handles, no navigation, choice of either black or white color, cloth seats...
I expect a $35,000 Model ? should have some thing similar that can make that promise true.�
Feb 21, 2016
Red Sage I really don't understand why this would give you a 'bad feeling'... Tesla Motors already does this, except their trim levels are based upon battery pack capacity. Slight difference was that you could originally get pretty much every conceivable option on a Model S 40 or Model S 60 as you could on a Model S 85. Now a handful of options are only available on Performance trim levels, things like red brake caliper covers. Not a big deal, really. People all over Los Angeles will deck out a BMW 320i to the nines with every conceivable option, then debadge it.
Honda's marketing was doing just fine... Until they started to advertise the same way as 'everyone else'... With end of year sales promotions every September & October... And actively comparing their cars to competitors... All this makes it seem they are desperate, trying too hard. It was better when they acted as if they were the only car company in the world. Y'know, just like Tesla Motors does.
I expect the performance of the base Tesla Model ? will match or surpass the BMW 3-Series overall, just as have its contemporaries in recent years. Cadillac ATS and Jaguar XE in particular have caught the 3-Series in handling, among others. Apparently, in the course of making the 3-Series a better car, BMW also made it a worse BMW, according to automotive journalists. So, it isn't a hard sell to presume the Model ? will be built to dethrone the 3-Series in every aspect of Performance, including acceleration, of course.
The Model ? is the purpose, the reason, the goal for Tesla Motors. It is what they have been striving toward for over a decade. If no one ever bought another Model S or Model X because the Model ? became so popular, Elon Musk would be fine with the result.
He has already stated the base Model ? would be single motor RWD. Yes, a dual motor AWD version will be offered. There is a high likelihood that any Performance version would be strictly AWD.
Once again, Tesla doesn't need to 'protect' sales of Model S or Model X. People will buy what they want and can afford. BMW 3-Series outsells 7-Series every year. AUDI A4 outsells A8 every year. Lexus IS outsells LS every year. This is by design, and is expected. With traditional automobile manufacturers, their low end cars allow them to shoiw off their high end cars. Tesla Motors is built the other easy around. Specifically so that their high end cars are offered to allow their entry level cars to come to light.
Though I had hoped they would be like Model S, I now expect the Model ? will have door handles like the Model X.
Precisely.
Tesla Motors probably doesn't care too much about 'watering down the brand'... I think they will be more pragmatic about it instead. So many seem to want them to sell 'cheap' new cars... But don't take the time to note that more and more traditional automobile manufacturers have entirely abandoned the sub-$15,000 market. Or, that the majority of new vehicles sold in the US cost around $22,000 each. Or, that the average sale price of a new car is over $31,000 and climbing. Or, that the companies that sell such vehicles, Corolla, Focus, Golf, et al, typically have the capacity for millions of vehicles per year. Tesla Motors won't have that sort of capacity for quite some time.
Early on, during 2012 or 2013, when Elon Musk was asked what he meant when he said that Tesla Motors' Generation III vehicles would take on the BMW 3-Series... He clarified that the 328i was BMW's bread-and-butter car, and would be the baseline minimum Tesla would shoot for... I expect that if asked today, he would likely call out the 340i (since the 335i is gone). I do not believe he will go after the 320i, because it, well, sucks. It is basically no more than a rear wheel drive base Accord or Camry equivalent, with a smaller interior, much worse fuel economy, and a $12,000 markup.�
Feb 22, 2016
Max* I agree, similar to an A3 or a BMW 320i.
No power seats
No heated seats
No lumbar suppport
No leather
No keyless entry
No homelink
No moonroof
No nav
No folddown seats
No autodimming rear view mirror
No autodimming side view mirrors
etc.
Making it similar to a Camry�
Feb 22, 2016
etm33 I think these make the cut. Heated seats because EV, keyless entry because that seems part of Tesla DNA and they can reimplement existing parts/tech, nav due to "no range anxiety", and folding seats due to utility gains.�
Feb 22, 2016
ModelNforNerd
Similar, but not quite.
Keyless, because it's a Tesla.
Homelink, because the 2016 A3 has it.
Nav, because trip planner and range anxiety
Autodimming mirrors, because it's 2016.
Again....stop getting caught up in the price points of other brands, and start remembering that if Tesla wanted to make an econobox, they would have done that by now, or would have set your expectation that the Model 3 would be an econobox.
Musk hasn't done that.
If you really want a Camry, by all means, go by the most "beige" of all vehicles. I'll look for something a little more exciting. Musk seems to get that not everyone sees their car as a "tool", just an appliance to move you around. Some people actually enjoy vehicle ownership, and want something nice to look at, enjoy being in, and have the added benefit of being a little better of a neighbor to those around you.�
Feb 22, 2016
Max* I never said it's going to be an econobox, just that a base 320i doesn't have ANY of the things I listed and just because it's 2016 doesn't mean anything. The base 320i doesn't even have a backup camera as standard (sure, by the time the Model 3 is out, it'll be mandated by law, but nonetheless, it's 2016
I haven't really looked into the A3 much, so I'll take your word for it.
A typical luxury automaker charges for just about everything. That's how they get their money. There have been several people talking about several random econobox's which have, for example, heated seats as standard. Or a backup camera as standard. Yet those same things get charged by luxury automakers, because it's easy money.
A barebones luxury car CAN have less features standard than a barebones econobox. Doesn't make them the same.
We'll find out in ~2 years.
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ETA: The CLA doesn't have autodimming drivers or outside mirrors as standard. Nor does it have a backup camera as standard. Nor NAV. Nor keyless entry. Nor homelink. etc.
Again, the Model 3 is competing against other entry-level luxury brands. And looking at other entry-level luxury brands, a lot of stuff which might be included free on some econoboxes are all upsells.�
Feb 22, 2016
ModelNforNerd
I'm hoping we'll find out sooner than that...I'd love to know enough to make me want to put my deposit down on March 31st.
EM's got the whole "showmanship" thing down by now. I think we'll get enough info to pull in people who are on the fence about the Model 3......
And then we'll get crumbs of info until probably Spring 2017, when the Configurator page goes live, giving Tesla an idea about production runs and supplies to stock up on.�
Feb 22, 2016
TJunkers I started thinking about the whole supercharger network when it comes to the model 3. I wouldn't be surprised if the superchargers were exclusive for the model S/X. If Tesla puts a standard electric vehicle outlet on the model 3 it would be able to charge anywhere without the superchargers becoming a circus. Imagine what the lines would be like at the superchargers with model 3's everywhere.�
Feb 22, 2016
Max* Or they continue to grow the SpC network at the rate it's growing now, and by the time the Model 3 is mass produced the supply should keep up with demand.�
Feb 22, 2016
AlanSqB No SpC is not going to happen. The network is a huge piece of the brand.
Teslas can already charge on "standard" J1772 outlets with an included adapter. The build out rate for SpC network will handle M3 volumes.�
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