Apr 1, 2016
omarsultan You, sir, are obviously on the wrong message board.�
Apr 1, 2016
400ev I still think they may be leaving room for an optional HUD, which if true, it would be a must have option for me.�
Apr 1, 2016
scott jones Agreed and I personally don't think there's NO way they're going to have autopilot without you being able to see exactly what's happening to your left and right and behind you and not put it in the center of your vision�
Apr 1, 2016
mcghee33 I was thinking about this too and it is an interesting point. It will be interesting to see since we are all pretty confident that we will be getting AP version 2. It just depends what APv2 is.�
Apr 1, 2016
Garlan Garner Now that's the funniest thing I've seen concerning the M3. Elon should have waited until today to do the reveal of this car as an April fools joke. He should indeed build a model A - Atari car.�
Apr 1, 2016
Garlan Garner Well, the outside looks like a ripoff of the BMW Model X-6.
Well, lets just go ahead and say that apart from the doors of the Model X. The Tesla model X looks like the BMW Model X series.�
Apr 1, 2016
CHG-ON Driver's instrument panel in front of the steering wheel. I don't want to have to look left to see critical stuff. It takes my eyes too far from the road for safety, IMO. I wear bifocals. So that makes all it that much harder to unfocus and refocus.�
Apr 1, 2016
Devanish Actually it does have vents, the entire gap in the dashboard is a vent, it was discussed by the Tesla driver in one of the test drive videos.�
Apr 1, 2016
Devanish This has been address in some of the test drive videos by the Telsa people. 1. The vent is the gap that runs the length of the dash. 2. the speed is always in the top left corner of the display 3. The interior is virtually 100% what they will have in prodution, 15" display for all models with no cluster behind the wheel. The only thing left to speculate about is if there will be a HUD as an option, otherwise WYSIWYG.�
Apr 1, 2016
gjunky When I saw the interior, my biggest concern wasn't with the post mounted center screen. I just hope they will include some kind of instrument panel display, either in front of the driver like in the S/X or as a HUD. I would also really like to see sterring wheel controls. I think the single touch screen is great because there are also (programmable) sterring wheel controls in the S/X. That combination works. Having to look at and control everything only from the touch screen is IMHO a poor choice of user experience.
But then again, this is just a prototype. I hope Tesla reads these comments�
Apr 1, 2016
voip-ninja I put my deposit down today but the dash situation is very close to being a deal breaker for me, personally.
Model 3 would be replacing a BMW 340i that I'm leasing currently... I intentionally leased the 340i in order to give Tesla more time to get a smaller luxury competitor read for the market but I'm not sure that the Tesla 3 is the car I'm looking for.�
Apr 1, 2016
calisnow Your opinion is noted - but it is also noted that the vast majority of Tesla customers disagree with you - including me, who stares at screens all day and enjoys the 17" screen in my Model S.
Sales numbers are all that matters and Tesla's sales growth trajectory is doing fine. Based on the early numbers for Model 3 reservations if you don't like its interior there are 10 people waiting behind you to buy the car anyway.
You're welcome to look out the window - the 17" screen isn't stopping you lol.�
Apr 1, 2016
Devanish It's a 15" in the Model 3.�
Apr 1, 2016
Devanish Well one thing is for sure, if that 15" display dies you will be SOL, no speed info, nav, battery status, AC. Hopefully they will had Speed info to the phone app in addition to the other stuff.�
Apr 1, 2016
rhambus Is it possible that they are planning to have drivers use voice control for many functions, therefore making the touchscreen less relevant for, say, climate control or radio? I would like to see a HUD though. Heck, maybe if they don't someone can come up with an aftermarket one.�
Apr 1, 2016
Sudre I know others have already said this but I feel the need to say it again. If your statement is true then you do not want a Tesla of any type. ALL dash components are computer screens. Even the cluster in the S and X is actually an LCD screen. You will be staring at a computer screen no matter what. With any luck the Bolt or Leaf 2.0 will suit your needs. I am not one to think Tesla has to sell every electric car in the world. Other vendors might do something more to your tastes.
I also agree with others that the ? is still going to get some more refinements between now and release.�
Apr 1, 2016
CuriousG It's one thing if it's a view screen only but people have to realize this is an input screen too. Even with the big application buttons on the S, I mishit it all the time because the vehicle is moving. Maybe it's from the lack of air suspension or an unknown neurological condition I'm not aware of. All of that information on a single screen just screams cluttered. Gotta cut costs somewhere.�
Apr 1, 2016
Devanish I have a real distain for voice controls, lets hope they skip that entirely and include an EKG sensor that amplifies and reads your brain waves so that you can merely think "Play My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama by Frank Zappa" and thus....�
Apr 1, 2016
Devanish From the Tesla drivers comments it sounds like a very conscious design decision they plan to carry through to production. To me the subtext says get used to the diminished driver role and adjust to a future where the car will be driving itself most of the time not needing you thumbs on a wheel hovering ergonomically with in reach of volume rockers and call answer buttons, nor eyes focused foward at an instrument panel. The Model 3 feels very much analogous to the the luxurious first class passenger lounge to prepare you before you board your cabin with a bed and shower.�
Apr 1, 2016
calisnow I hear you - I mis-hit buttons too. What I do most of the time to avoid that is brace my other fingers against the frame of the screen so it steadies my hand, and then use my index finger to hit whatever button I need.�
Apr 1, 2016
SageBrush This, and some cost cutting. EM and Tesla are wizards, but there are also more banal reasons why Tesla can offer double the battery for the same cost as other automakers and it is not just the Gigafactory.
Some of it is just good old fashioned trade-offs, and a willingness to jump to sometimes uncomfortable new technology.�
Apr 1, 2016
Atlantis It's simple, in the future, all cars will have an interior that will look some thing like this. Autonomous systems will drastically reduce the need to be seeing the road right over the steering wheel. Even the steering wheel will only be used in exceptional occasions, so it may be hidden and retracted (like the Nissan concept car), no need for costly dashboards which killed the symmetric of car's interior. So the central horizontal monitor is very well placed to give informations or other services, and even for people in front and rear seats to assist of a video (news, tv emissions, movie) at the same time the car will drive you from a point to another.
But for the present time, I hope furiously that Tesla will put a HUD for very simple informations right above the steering wheel.
For example, for the basic version, some few things will be sufficient like speed, range, battery gauge, autopilot on/off alert and maybe some other warnings. In the high end version, this HUD would be bigger with more informations like navigation pointers, night vision and maybe right, left and rear video streaming from cameras (when the side mirrors will ceased to be mandate).�
Apr 1, 2016
LobosPac I totally agree with @Devanish . This is a paradigm shift (yes, I'm showing my age) for cars and driving. I've liked cars for 40+ years, but my MX is the first car I've loved - and its because of the technology, especially AP. (and that large display!). I love to drive, and love to drive long distances (well, if I'm honest, I love to travel). I come from a family where 14 hours to one spring training game, then turning right around and going home is normal behavior. But if the car can do 90+% of the driving, I'm all over it.�
Apr 1, 2016
AUSinator agree the i3 uses high quality materials and the beach would looks beautiful I hope the tesla will have at least options for the dash�
Apr 1, 2016
edmeades
There isn't enough room for it after they pushed the front seats forward for rear legroom.
Right now, it's the only major design element that I don't love; I'd like to have autopilot info in my eyeline.�
Apr 2, 2016
JayyyDeee What happens if something gets in your right eye? Ever have a contact lens issue and are unable to open an eye or have extreme blurring in 1 eye? Also try having to always glance down and to the right during a heavy rainstorm its not that easy. Having a speedometer behind the steering wheel lets you focus on the road and see your speed at the same time. The speed being displayed only on the center dash is a terrible idea.
ahh one more point what about people with fake glass eye?�
Apr 2, 2016
infeza I think this design is fantastic. I love it. Simple to the point, no clutter, although some hard buttons that are needed (hazard light and the other one) by law will be added. hopefully a new steering wheel too.
It's probably been mentioned in this thread but this would also save them a lot of time and cost in making left and right hand configurations as there are less parts to swap around.
Why do we need more than one screen anyway? The position of the speedometer takes me no longer than me looking at my current speedometer, all the other information I don't need directly infront of me either.�
Apr 2, 2016
Lerxt Is it still April 1st....?�
Apr 2, 2016
Johann Koeber I like the dash design.
My prediction is that there will be buttons (and wheels) on the steering wheel. If not, then I would really miss them (coming from the MS).
About three years ago I asked Elon about a HUD. I had the impression, he does not like the idea. Hope he has changed his mind since then. Even high performance aircraft use it.
What about the time in the future, when rear view mirrors will be replaced with cameras? The image has to be somewhere you can see it at a glance. Same goes for the blind spot detection.
The missing dash creates an opportunity to optimise air flow in the cabin. This is a big plus, if you can heat and cool the cabin without a draft.
To sum it up: I like the design, give us buttons on the steering wheel and a HUD and your done.�
Apr 2, 2016
calisnow The missing screen in front of the driver is a design flaw IMHO - built under the extreme pressure to try to hit a $35K price point. Not hating on the 3 - I ordered two of them.
But I also have a Model S with autopilot - and there is a *lot* of scanning you must do with your eyes even when using autopilot. Having to constantly look to the right would get old fast. I realize the system will be more advanced 24 months from now but there is simply no way to put a positive spin on not having display information in front of the driver.
There is no airplane built with the PFD (primary flight display) off to the right because it simply doesn't make sense.
I predict some kind of limited display will end up in front of the driver in the final product - it may be minimal but at least something showing basic autopilot controls and speed information will be there - maybe a HUD bouncing off the windshield like in some BMW's and other cars.�
Apr 2, 2016
Jdcorbitt3 I do remember the transition from "steam gauges" where they had one MFD (multi function display) in the center of the panel. Then they went to 5 tube EFIS. Now, large cabin corporate aircraft are coming with 4 13" or larger displays. HUD is getting more affordable and smaller cabin aircraft are getting them. The GV HUD originally was $500,000 with the option for EVS(enhanced Vision System) for another $500,000. There are now companies making EVS, not as full featured, for in the $20,000 range.
I have no problem with the "PFD" of centered as automobiles are VFR, like a helicopter. Having a HUD for the model 3 will be great. With the Tesla becoming mainstream the SEMA market will get more active. It would not surprise me to see an aftermarket HUD designed for the Model 3.
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Apr 2, 2016
wdolson The interior will evolve. Someday cars will be very minimalist in instrumentation, but that isn't going to even be legal until a couple of generations by multiple different manufacturers demonstrate problem free self driving. Until then, the car needs to always be capable of a driver taking control at any time.
Autonomous driving will likely be phased in with it being allowed in some areas like on highways and illegal in other areas like residential neighborhoods. Eventually it will become legal everywhere, then it will slowly become mandatory in some areas and the end result will be "off leash" areas where people can turn off their auto pilot and drive like they did last century, but that's going to be a while. The software to make it happen might be there in 10-15 years at the current pace at least in top tech cars like Teslas, but there will be cars that lag behind like Chrysler. And the laws will be even slower to change.
The law tends to be way behind technology. Some laws today are outdated for tech we had 10-15 years ago.
The interior of the Model 3 looks more like a set than a real car interior. It looks like the front seats were borrowed from a Model X, the screen looks like a computer monitor just mounted on the dash at the last minute and the rest looks like those fake appliances you see in furniture showrooms. What I think happened was the deadline was looming and the mandate was to have a driveable prototype by March 31, so the design team cobbled together something so it didn't look like a lab experiment and they met the deadline. The production car will certainly have something with about the same level of functionality and controls as the Model S and X.
As someone pointed out the dashboard has no vents. There is no place for the dash mounted passenger airbag either. I believe there is still a law requiring all new cars have a glove box with a manual button to open the lid. I'm sure there are laws for the minimum instrumentation too. And if the US doesn't have a law requiring this or that, some other country probably does.�
Apr 2, 2016
Spidy Listen to what the drivers say in the videos. They certainly sound like there was an idea behind mounting the display like this (usable by driver & passenger, information in the view of the driver, stating no 2nd display will come, dash can move forward resulting in more space)
And the dashboard has vents. It's one small long opening along the whole width of the car. Again something it sounded like they intentionally designed it like that.�
Apr 2, 2016
Johan Don't forget the blind drivers, who routinely rely on physical knobs and buttons. They won't be able to drive m3 at all!�
Apr 2, 2016
davidc18 Actually it speed is on the upper left corner of the screen. The tesla rep driving the car in the posted videos points to it a few times.�
Apr 2, 2016
Jdcorbitt3 It used to be we had a bunch of lights, buttons and switches.
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Apr 2, 2016
ecarfan I agree with you except for the need for a HUD, which I do not believe Tesla will put in the 3 and do not believe is needed. I have an S and have reserved a 3, so I am very used to the S display, but I do not foresee any problems adapting to the 3 display.
With the 3 dash we are seeing how all cars will be built someday. Projecting out a few years, the increasing capabilities of Autopilot will mean that drivers will spend less time checking the onboard speed display as the car will know the legal limit and provide an audible indication when you exceed the limit by an amount that you have pre-set (AP does that already). Nav instructions can already be provided audibly.
The most close up photo I have seen so far of the 3 display shows a speed indicator value in the upper left corner. I assume a range indicator is also there. The display appears to be split vertically, not horizontally like the S.
So the main difference is that to check your speed you move your eyes slightly to the right and down instead of slightly down. I don't have an issue with that. We have all become accustomed to looking slightly down. Changing that to looking slightly right and down doesn't seem like a big deal. And with AP watching my speed all the time, it becomes even less of an issue.�
Apr 2, 2016
ModelNforNerd The Model 3 will have some sort of cluster.
two reasons:
1. Only the safety features of AutoPilot (AEB and TACC) will be standard, so we will still be driving these cars ourselves, even if we pay to have AP 2.0 enabled.
2. Some things are still mandated. High-beam indicator, speedometer, turn indicators. On the finished product, I still expect a small screen of some sort. They fought DOT and IIHS about mirrors, and yet....we still see side mirrors. So unless the laws change, there still has to be something there.
We'll see during Part 2 of the launch.�
Apr 2, 2016
oalvarez I care more about not having some functions displayed right above the wheel than the awkward floating display off to the right. It's my opinion that some functions/features need to be seen easily as opposed to having to look off to the side for them. I've driven a Model S many times now, love it's display(s), and hope to see something similar employed in the 3.�
Apr 2, 2016
Mihai75 "Tesla is about making electric cars fun to drive".....welcome to the 21st century driving experience.
I'm all for autonomous cars, and even a less cluttered elegant dash. But this design is not the way to do it. I wonder how people would have reacted if the exterior was in the same "spirit" as the interior....�
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Apr 2, 2016
T-Will Reminds me a bit of the Dragon interior.
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Apr 2, 2016
AntronX I like roadster's simple mechanical indicators. Learned to adapt to all LCD displays in Model S. But this model 3 dash I just can't force myself to like. Exterior design looks great, but it feels like little thought was spent inside. As if Tesla only cares about how their brand looks to others on the road. I really hope they place second small display behind the wheel in final version. The way M3 looks now, I would rather spend $50K on used MS.�
Apr 2, 2016
ByranS I see a lot of people mentioning DOT regulations as indicators that The Model 3 "must" change the dash layout by production time. I want to believe this, but my question is: has anyone quoted these laws? I'd be very interested in seeing the actual DOT regulations if anyone happens to be familiar.�
Apr 2, 2016
ModelNforNerd
Found it. Posted your answer over here: Dashboard design and NHTSA regulations�
Apr 2, 2016
AudubonB I believe I can state that there is broad - close to universal - consensus amongst this thread's participants that, irrespective of whether one like or dislikes the lack of an instrument cluster and the concomitant sole 15" screen, all (nigh all) would like to have that complemented by HUD.
Have I encapsulated the prior fourteen dozen comments correctly?�
Apr 2, 2016
Vistan Long-time Lurker here...with a Model S, and a Model 3 on order.
I was struck by the very plain steering wheel in the demo Model 3s. No switches, controls, etc. I'm convinced that that wheel is far from what will be the production steering wheel. Why couldn't Tesla incorporate the desired driver's displays INTO the steering wheel itself? The upper quadrant of the wheel rim could display speed, temp, turn sigs, battery status, etc. A small display in or just above the wheel hub could show the current lane picture and cars ahead and to the side as on the Model S.�
Apr 2, 2016
Tdriver Vistan........interesting idea on the steering wheel. Two possible problems.........the fact that there is a air bag involved and guys like me might require reading glasses to read it.....I don't with the dash mounted readout.�
Apr 2, 2016
Stephen4 I would hazard a guess that Elon doesn't much like the dash either. I can imagine that they all spent days agonizing over how they can make some profit on an EV without some sort of design compromise. It's a problem when you state I can create a $35k EV ahead of actually doing it. Heck, a $5 billion dollar investment in the pack production should give an idea as to how difficult it is to make this work for $35k. I certainly prefer an integrated screen, but I can certainly see how much more costly it would be over a standard (stand-alone) screen as we saw on March 31st. Those screens are a dime a dozen (so to speak)...hopefully it has a swivel. And they have more freedom to tuck the CPU and controls anywhere there's enough space.
I also think that this will be very close to the final design. But, I suspect that design changes for future versions will see this dash move towards a more integrated approach as they figure out how to do it within the current space limitations and still make a profit.�
Apr 2, 2016
HookBill I have a question to ask as I am neutral on the instrument display location: I think drivers spend as much, if not more, time looking into their rear view and side mirrors than they do at their speed. Why don't people complain about having to look to the right or left to check mirrors but complain here about doing that to check speed? Habit? Or are we so programmed that we lack the ability to adapt? If this is such a major issue, why haven't we been clamoring for cameras to replace rear view and side mirrors so all of our focus remains immediately in front of us?�
Apr 2, 2016
scott jones Has anyone stated this yet? What about them doing this with the option of also putting it in a center screen where drivers currently look (past steering wheel) and that option or a HUD would be another two or $3000. And by doing so they can almost guarantee A price tag minimum of $38,000 instead of 35,000
There's the other problem almost all vehicles that are $35,000 have steering wheel controls and if the model three does not it will be less especially given the amount of times we all use the steering wheel controls just for volume control etc.�
Apr 2, 2016
400ev Yes , a HUD or a small display of some kind is what most people are hoping for. It can certainly be incorporated into the current dash design, as an option. An HUD does not take much space on the dash, although it does increase cost. I believe you also need a special glass for it to work. At least it does on my bimmer. You can also do a less fancy version with a smaller dedicated screen , similar to what a newer Mini cooper has. It's possible.�
Apr 2, 2016
S3XY Once autonomous driving gets perfected we may have blind "drivers" on the road.�
Apr 2, 2016
S3XY Maybe the key lies in the rather non-descript looking steering wheel that was in the prototypes. Why couldn't they put a small display in the center of the steering wheel? Sure, you couldn't read it while turning but who checks their speed while turning? Or the display could be orientation aware and rotate what's displayed so the top is always up. Sort of like a cell phone does except continuous. And the reason we saw the crappy spartan steering wheels on the prototypes was because this technology was not yet ready for prime-time or Tesla didn't want to reveal it this early.�
Apr 2, 2016
ppardue1 One of the things I find fascinating here is that some of you are treating this dash like it is completely unprecedented (the 1970s sci-fi parody). Minimalistic dashes with centered displays are about 100 years old now. As one example, Henry Ford's Model A:
I'm a millennial and, generally, abhor modernistic design elements (I particularly hate not having physical buttons to "mash") but this dash does not bother me in the least in the perspective of automotive history.�
Apr 2, 2016
eloder Re-focusing on a mirror is substantially easier than re-focusing on a display screen due to... what was it, parallax?
Anyways, I'm not worried about it being on the center--just that focusing on it over the clutter may be problematic (the background isn't static, whereas other center IPs are roughly static). I'm also worried about having a completely information blackout if a crash occurs, given the display runs infotainment, navigation, apps, etc. while also providing IP info.
Secondary concerns is that you won't get enough info from proximity sensors or autopilot information (it still won't be perfect in all situations, I'm sure) easily with that setup. Things like autopilot disengaging may not be heard with conversation in the car and not so easily seen without being in direct peripheral vision.
A HUD would fully alleviate all my concerns and would fit the car extremely well. I think the visibility actually looks pretty cool with the minimalist dash, and a HUD would perfectly complement this. The visibility reminds me of my smart car (how close it was to the road in front / how much field of view you saw from a car you wouldn't expect it from). I have full confidence a HUD is coming, but it just won't be announced until the MS/MX have a HUD and it's one of the "desireable features" mentioned for the M3. Probably will be an option of course but that's fine with me.�
Apr 2, 2016
yesup I don't think it would fit - as it requires a total redesign of the whole dashboard.
HUD necessitates an unsightly big hole in the dash; and with no instrument panel "hump" and the current low flat design, you cannot hide it, and there is simply no good spot to put it.�
Apr 2, 2016
nd4spd569 Not sure if anyone's said it, but if you look at tesla's website, it's all exterior pics. I think a good indicator that the interior is not close to final like the exterior.�
Apr 2, 2016
gregd In my Roadster, there are actually 3 speed indicators. The analog gauge in front of the steering wheel, a small digital display on the in-dash Audio/Nav unit, and another on the VDS display in the lower center console. I generally use them in the reverse of that order. And, yes, the mirrors get more attention than the speed, and I even look out the front window from time to time.
I really like what I saw in the M3 interior design, though I think it would be perfect if there was a 1-2 inch high digital strip right below the brow of the dash.�
Apr 2, 2016
Uncle Paul Maybe Tesla could offer a HUD display as an extra cost option for those that feel it is necessary or important.
Could still maintain a $35,000 base price.�
Apr 2, 2016
Gilzo As a die hard Thunder fan, I remember a sports reporter asking Pop (Spurs head coach) a few days before the game, if his starting players would start a game against the Thunder. Pop is notorious for sitting his starters out to rest so the question wasn't abnormal. He responded that his starters would NOT play that game. I felt great after hearing him say that with the hope the Thunder would win that game easily. Much to my dislike, he played his starters that game and spanked my Thunder to an humiliating loss.
In the early 2014, tesla vice president of communications was asked if tesla was partnering with mobileye as speculation was being thrown around by analysts. His response? No.
My point is just because tesla's model 3 engineers told people during test drives that the dash is almost production ready doesn't mean we should take their word for it. Misinformation is used very effectively from my 9 year old...all the way up to the US government. Tesla will be facing stiff competition from the big boys so it makes sense that they may say one thing only to do another.
Conversely, the dash may very well be close to what ends up in production because of costs and other considerations that many of you have spoken about. A popular thought I keep reading on here is they have 18 months to make changes if we are to believe they'll indeed roll the first one out at the end of next year. If that's the case, they have more like a year or less not 18 months due to lining out suppliers for the finish product, tooling, programing, etc.
Personally, I was hoping that the first version of the m3 interior would be more traditional to a normal ice car. I mean keep some tesla flare but don't make a drastic statement...yet...not on the first version out. Ease the masses in first then gradually make the tesla changes over time. By drastically changing it from the get go you not only will get kickback from many ice drivers, but also teslas own loyal fan base...as we're witnessing in this thread.
I was the 12th person in line to order my model 3 and am a die hard tesla enthusiast. I hope they change the dash and butter up the masses first before hitting them with the future but my guess is they'll hit us with the future first. It won't sway my decision to purchase but change like this is risky at a time where we (tesla) dont need risk. We need acceptance first from the herd. After the hook, hit them hard with the true tesla magic with later versions. Just my humbling opinion.
I appreciate all the valuable insight everyone has provided on the hundreds of topics I've read. Learned...learning, everyday from you. Thank you.�
Apr 2, 2016
SageBrush How many angles would you like to see photos of the steering wheel from ? ;-)
Seriously though, minimalist design is much better appreciated live.�
Apr 3, 2016
Scifi_tv_fan If they do implement a HUD, I think something like Microvision's HUD would look really good in this car!
This is an example of Microvision HUD concept I came across in an article on Electrek
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Apr 3, 2016
Candleflame That's another possiblity. Tesla has been focusing all their energy into getting a cd < 2 exterior with enough space for a certain battery lenght that they completely neglected the interior. Maybe some small team was meant to come up with a low cost HUD or LCD screen for the dashboard and they couldn't do it....�
Apr 3, 2016
Douglas Sims I do too, but I'm thinking that even if Tesla doesn't provide that, it wouldn't be that hard to make an aftermarket binacle that mounts in front of the steering wheel and provides speed, range, and a minimal set of essential driver information.
Perhaps it's just a question of getting used to the center touchscreen, but it almost seems like a safety issue - driver shouldn't have to move eyes so far from the road and process so much information to get updates on essential information.�
Apr 3, 2016
graphix25 I have a windshield projection based HUD in my 2015 BMW. Doesn't work at all with my polarized sun glasses which are common in our society. I can only see the HUD at night with my regular glasses. Even then it really is not that great. You can see a shadow box around the display at night with the clarity and color definition of a 1980 LED display. The one above is a step or two better then what is in my BMW. Transparent OLED might be a better option rather then a projection system if going with a augmented reality approach. That sounds pretty state of the art and expensive for a $35k car in it's first generation.
My future vision of a car is everything is a display. The windshield, dash all interactive displays. Tesla has made the car a gadget with lots of sensors. I want lots of information like radar details, road-maps, energy consumption statistics displayed all around me in glorious high definition. Creating a small bump and slipping in a OLED in that dash doesn't look to difficult. The GUI and displays are an area they wanted to keep close to the vest as it will be center to the experience of the Model 3. That is no doubt the thing to be "added" that Elon spoke too. If you picked anybody walking down the street and asked them what is missing in the car they showed they would all say a instrument cluster.
A information and technology advanced car with a single center display just doesn't seem likely. Keep the faith as I'm sure the driver experience will be fully digital and awesome in the production car.�
Apr 3, 2016
souslik What would bother me most if that was the production dashboard is the lack of buttons on the steering wheel. I'd even prefer to have the speed indicator right on the steering wheel, along with some model x prototype like display/touch buttons. That said, I'm sure I'll be more than happy with whatever they choose for the final dashboard design. I bet that what we've seen last Thursday will only change in details, not in its basic concept.�
Apr 3, 2016
ecarfan I was not aware there was a US DOT requirement that those items had to be displayed DIRECTLY IN FRONT of the driver. Unless you can quote a US government source for your statement, I remain unconvinced. They have to be displayed, but there exact location is not specified because cars have been sold in the US where they are displayed in the center of the dash.
And for those who get the full AP option in their 3, I see no reason for that to mean that a driver side display is needed. The car is doing the driving and it can display relevant information to the driver on the center display. The difference between glancing straight down to see information versus glancing down and slightly to the right is insignificant, in my opinion.
Model 3 test drive videos posted on YouTube include comments by the Tesla drivers to the effect that the 3 will only have the center display, that is the "design direction". You are welcome to believe that before the car goes into production Tesla will change the "design direction", but I think it unlikely.
We can agree to disagree and in a year and a half or so we will know for sure.�
Apr 3, 2016
ecarfan Putting a display on the steering wheel showing things like speed puts it much too close to the driver, especially for older people who have decreased ability for close focusing.
I expect the production 3 steering wheel will have some buttons, but it is possible it will not for cost saving reasons.�
Apr 3, 2016
nd4spd569 Oh I'm not against it. I like it. Even more if it had a HUD. Always wanted one if those but option was so expensive.�
Apr 3, 2016
Nb1277 Are we taking the cost savings re: the dash too far?
My thought is we are. The 15 inch size of the display makes sense to me given the proportions of the car relative to the S but what are the cost differences between a 15 and 17 inch display? Minimal.
More to the point, the decision on whether to integrate the display into the center console seems to be much more aligned to design and space savings than cost savings. Again, how much money does the "floating" rather than integrated approach save (if any)?
Lastly, I'm less confident about the cost of a HUD directly in front of the driver but if Tesla's objective is to cut the price of the car roughly in half relative to the S, wouldn't they focus interior cost savings on things like premium trim, material etc. rather than commodity displays?
Of course, the size of the vehicle and battery have the most significant impact on costs (and ultimately price) but, as far as the interior goes, it see,s like designing the dashboard as it is out of concern for costs would be pinching pennies...�
Apr 3, 2016
nd4spd569 At least volume and station changing buttons hopefully. I use those all the time.�
Apr 3, 2016
Nb1277 The cost savings idea in this instance also seems misguided. I drive a 2011 Honda Civic with steering wheel buttons for audio source type, volume and cruise control. It seems unreasonable not to include these in a $35K car purely to cut costs.�
Apr 3, 2016
I debug My 2 bits for a display redesign.
Integrate the main screen into the dash in a portrait configuration like the Model S. Then across the top above the main stretching across from driver side to passenger second screen +/- 6" high and the full width of the dash that would look or meld if you will, into the main screen. Thus creating a T or with some design work a Tesla "T" configuration. The driver side portion could be used to display a speedometer, Auto drive sensor info or what ever the driver prefers. Right side would be for the passenger use, Navigation / web search, Environmental... what ever might be useful. The main center be for the whatever Tesla deems critical. Navigation map, Radio, Exterior lighting / door status.... similar to the Model S. Another advantage, from a manufacturing point of view. This design would physically be the same for both right and left drive cars. Barring possibly, an angle for the main display to face the driver ?? The UI for this design would be assignable / configurable by the owner, similar to your present personal tablet. Going forward there could be new skins for this display to change the design look. Create some interior lighting scheme.
Side Note. For you wall street types, this dash wide display could steam stock quotes or financial news. Or for family trips, Scrolling song lyrics for Karaoke. Bottom line with all that digital real estate. The sky is the limit. in car entertainment. I think things like this will be a nice feature. Especially when autonomous drive becomes the norm.�
Apr 3, 2016
ByranS Look at these design sketches Elon posted on Twitter. Looks like the "floating" screen is very intentional. My guess is it won't change much.
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Apr 3, 2016
yesup Exactly, that's what I have been saying all along.
But people simply would not believe. There may be some evolutionary or minor changes - but the sketch above clearly illustrates how they want the dash would look.�
Apr 3, 2016
James Anders In watching the test drive videos it was mentioned that the dash is pretty much done. Apparently the air vents are one continuous vent stretching across the entire dash. The Tesla driver spoke about air flow, etc.�
Apr 3, 2016
Stoneymonster Where we're going, we don't need "instruments".�
Apr 3, 2016
souslik They could make the numbers real big ... but yeah, I guess you're right. It's just that the traditional dash does have it's own disadvantages like elements being obstructed by the steering wheel depending on wheel setting and driver height.�
Apr 3, 2016
mspohr To me, this cockpit and dashboard is ugly, cluttered and dated. No way would I want to see this in my car.�
Apr 3, 2016
mspohr I have always had problems seeing the "traditional dash" on every car I have owned. To me, it's much better to move the data out from behind the steering wheel.�
Apr 3, 2016
yesup Even though I don't have as much problem, but I usually have to adjust the position of the steering wheel to see the entire instrument panel rather than my most comfortable driving position.�
Apr 3, 2016
Bangor Bob Then there will be a decent market for 3rd-party instrument panels...
wk057... Project incoming!�
Apr 3, 2016
omarsultan I don't think the floating dash is going away, but I do think we will see some sort of display in the driver's line of sight for the AP UI. I think a driver minimally needs three displays for most driving scenarios: 1) the AP UI, 2) Nav and 3) media player. The current horizontal display has room for two side-by-side displays. I can see the nav and media being relegated to the center display, but I cannot see not having the AP UI line of sight--it seems like poor ergonomics to have to look off the side to check sensors, see warnings, etc.�
Apr 3, 2016
yesup I think we should all give it a chance before writing it off. Some dislike the idea just because it is so different from what we are used to.
I begin to think that the eye travel from the road to the left upper corner of the landscape screen is less than from the road to our typical instrument cluster. But this requires a test drive to confirm. At least, I would not jump to a conclusion without a test drive.
Any 3rd party instrument would like look quite ugly, though there is plenty of space in the dashboard for that.
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Apr 3, 2016
Rafael Musk:
- @elonmusk The lack of a dashboard/HUD is something that I don't think I could get used to. That's the only thing I don't like about the car.
@BValvsRacing It will make sense after part 2 of the Model 3 unveil�
Apr 3, 2016
nd4spd569 I was just goin to post this. Haha�
Apr 3, 2016
nd4spd569 Except I still have no idea what this means.�
Apr 3, 2016
mstroud22 So does this mean full autonomous or HUD?�
Apr 3, 2016
TravelSD80 Given past remarks, I think the model 3 will be a level 4 autonomous car either at release (I think unlikely) or with future software upgrade and when laws allow it in all 50 states.�
Apr 3, 2016
Cebe That they didn't tell us everything. Why would they, 18+ months before the car is ready. Come September 2017, we'll see the rest of the puzzle.
I find it funny that we're saying one must have AP UI and audio/media right in front of the driver, given that it's probably been less than 20 years since audio/media showed up there, but if I was going for the cool factor, AP information in the HUD, as augmented reality (outline of the car being tracked is drawn right on top of the car you see) would be awesome...�
Apr 3, 2016
yesup I am doing a rough estimate because we don't know the exact position of the screen.
But by my calculation, the eye travel from the road ahead to a traditional analog speedometer can be up to 30% longer than to the left upper corner of the screen.
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Apr 3, 2016
Bimbels haha yup. It's gonna make sense after part 2. They have something cool up their sleeve.�
Apr 3, 2016
1208 Agreed.�
Apr 3, 2016
MarcCBR Completely agree Tesla's reason for being minimalistic with buttons and levers is so that they can change the way equipment operates on the vehicle with a simple software update of the internet. As Bunky said that Mercedes looks extremely cluttered. I believe that Tesla is pushing more toward Autopilot where the driver will just be sitting like the passenger most of the time. It has already been stated by the company that full autonomous driving is expected to be ready by the time the Model 3 is in production.�
Apr 3, 2016
TMS And some more interesting tweets from Elon... I think we are in for something amazing in part 2
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Apr 3, 2016
Woosie [QUOTE="I do too, but I'm thinking that even if Tesla doesn't provide that, it wouldn't be that hard to make an aftermarket binacle that mounts in front of the steering wheel and provides speed, range, and a minimal set of essential driver information."[/QUOTE]. Kinda like a '65 Mustang Rally-Pac installation:
Honestly I don't see what the majority of the hullabaloo is about; I don't think twice about the location of info in my 2nd gen Prius and I had no problems with the 2013 Leaf I leased. I spend nearly ally time driving using the Basic Speed Law.
Tesla must include a few push buttons (like the hazard indicator since it must be available as long as there's battery power) because of federal law. I read through some of the regulations and saw nothing that required placement in front of the driver so we'll see what Tesla comes up with and Like many of you I'll roll with it. A HUD would be cheaper but a small purpose-built steering wheel or dash "pod" is much cheaper and only requires power, grounding and an interface connection.�
Apr 3, 2016
Bangor Bob It means "Don't panic."�
Apr 3, 2016
AudubonB Read from post #4 of this thread and you may have more insight as to what MIGHT be going on:
Steering wheel controls confirmed - "feels like a spaceship"!
I know there are too many threads out, most especially in the Model 3 sub-forum but it's simply impossible to stop their proliferation.�
Apr 3, 2016
nd4spd569 So is it going to be more like that model 3 sketch he tweeted where the steering wheel wasn't a wheel?�
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