Jun 1, 2013
Cashoverass Picked up my 40kwh Thursday. I'm loving life right now for sure. Especially since I haven't sold my Lotus yet so my garage looks like a dream come true.
I'm bummed about the media situation. I didn't realize I bought a 70k dollar car without a CD player. Not saying that would have been a deal breaker but I do have an extensive CD collection that I enjoy listening to.
I also have a 160 gig ipod with 35,000 songs that I've really enjoyed having at my finger tips. As well as a external hard drive with the back up.
I can't deal with this internet radio stuff. this isn't how music was meant to be listened to. I want to listen to the exact artist I want to hear not random artists that I may or may not like in the similar genre. and I want to listen to an an album from start to finish.
I can't put 35,000 songs on my phone storage and bluetooth it over.
Anyone have a solution yet?�
Jun 1, 2013
sfriedrich couple of 128gb usb sticks... one for the wife, one for me.�
Jun 1, 2013
Stoneymonster Put it on a big USB flash or hdd device(*), plug into the console, done.
* Not sure if bus powered drives work, may require both ports.�
Jun 1, 2013
walla2 Sorry for the bummedness but there are solutions.
For playing digital songs:
1. Buy a reasonably large USB drive and plug it in. $54.99 @ newegg. Take your ipod songs and move them to the drive and keep the drive plugged in the model S.
2. Buy a ipod/iphone to Bluetooth dongle and use your ipod through the Bluetooth link. Many at amazon (some that plug in to the headphone and others that plug in the the ipod adapter).
3. Wait until the interal harddrive is updated to allow access to the internal storage.
4. Switch to Android or wait until Tesla/Apple agree to USB ipod/iphone connections.
For spinning media (CD's):
1. Rip all your CD's to MP3 and use one of the above solutions. Takes a while but you will be free of spinning, space occupying mass.
2. Buy a old school small portable CD player that runs on batteries and connect with option 2 above? Can't verify this would work, but it should.�
Jun 1, 2013
SCW-Greg CDs are dead. Think cassette tapes, even 8 track.PHP:
Everything is digital these days. Time to rip your collection. But it kind of sounds like you have, at least partially, since your iPod (digital) collection is so big already.�
Jun 1, 2013
Cashoverass Thanks guys for the responses so far. So it has to be a "flash drive". I can't use an HDD External hard drive? What's the difference exactly.
Two people above pointed to 128gig flash/thumb drive. if there is a difference between flash drives and larger external hard drives, is 128gigs the largest flash drive available on the market?
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Jun 1, 2013
PeterK Disappointed in the media situation so far.
I got one of these with a 64GB chip. Works well, though the Tesla interface is just by artist, song, genre - no shuffle mode.
Things you may not have discovered about your Model S?! - Page 17
Update : link didn't seem to be working correctly so here's the content.
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Jun 1, 2013
brianstorms One of the things I love about the Audi Q5 is that in the glove compartment are a variety of plugs for connecting different personal media devices like iPods. I keep an iPod in there just for road use. I interact with it through the main multimedia display on the dash. The Audi also provides two slots for SD cards, and I plop 64 GB of more music into those. So the car basically has my whole music collection. The Audi does also have a CD drive (which also takes DVDs which can be video or audio or data).
I too have been a bit chagrined about the Model S lacking a CD drive. But I've already ripped my CDs so it's not too much of a problem.
I also have zero interest in streaming music services (or even Sirius/XM). I don't wanna hear about Slacker or Spotify or any of that stuff. The audio quality is lousy, service is spotty, they lack many songs/artists I like, and I'm a believer in owning music not renting it. I hope the upcoming 3G/4G/LTE data services Tesla will/may offer do not force you to get unwanted bundled streaming music services.�
Jun 2, 2013
steve841 What's a CD?
J/k�
Jun 2, 2013
CapitalistOppressor Technically, CD's are digital also. That said, I started collecting CD's 30 years ago and switched to MP3's over a decade ago. According to Wikipedia sales of CD's (worldwide) are down over 50% since 2000, and its more than 70% in the U.S.
Here the link to the relevant chart documenting the death of old media formats, including CD's -
How iTunes crushed music sales - CNNMoney
Tesla is right about this, just like Apple was right to kill floppy disks/cdrom/dvdrom etc.
I can fit my entire CD collection in a flash drive that is the size of my thumbnail. Ripping your collection will take a lot of effort. I recommend getting kids to do it for you. They always love the idea of knowing how to do something that you don't (even if you actually do) and they'll work like dogs to prove it
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A flash drive is better than an HDD. HDD's are busy being obsoleted by flash drives and SSD's as we speak.�
Jun 2, 2013
aaron.s I bought this 500gb USB Hard Drive for my partners very large itunes library (over 200gb > 40,000 songs - and growing!)....
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009R66EEE/ref=oh_details_o07_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Although it can take 5-10 minutes to index the music when plugging it in, it works like a charm!
All I did was copy the iTunes/iTunes Music folder straight over to the drive....
Aaron
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Jun 2, 2013
Clint Eastwood Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the majority of the music in your iTunes library were downloaded from the iTunes Store, then the songs won't play throught the flash drive due to format copy protection or something.�
Jun 2, 2013
aaron.s Clint
Most of the music in the iTunes store for the past 2-3 years has been copy protection free. In my particular case, most of the music in my partners iTunes library (95%) is ripped from his own CD's.... Music is his passion and he owns thousands of CD's and LP's...
Aaron
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Jun 2, 2013
jerry33 Mostly they won't play because Tesla doesn't support Apple Lossless compression. You just convert them to FLAC (right on the thumb drive) and problem solved. None of mine had any protection problems. (Admittedly I don't have 10,000+ songs so the sample size is small.)
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Playing by song (alphabetically) works almost as good as shuffle mode with the exception that if the same song is on several albums you'll get the song repeated.�
Jun 2, 2013
dsm363 None of the music Apple sells on the iTunes store is Apple Lossless though. I believe it is all AAC and unprotected at this point too so it will play fine. If you converted all of your CDs into Apple Lossless then you are right, it won't play.
Older iTunes songs might have copy protection but just sign up for iTunes match for $25 (one year) and match your music and convert it to the higher rate unprotected version.�
Jun 2, 2013
Clint Eastwood Ok, I suck with this stuff. I have my iTunes library filled with old iTunes downloads, new iTunes down loads, and loaded CDs I ripped to iTunes. What is the best was for me to get all of my library on my new model s until it supports plugging iPod or iPhone via USB. I don't want to play via Bluetooth audio because you have to select the music playlist from the phone which is dangerous while driving. Can you dumb it down for me? What flash drive, how to load it all on the flash drive in an appropriate e format to plug into the USB port in the car etc. I suspect if someone can really walk us less inclined users it may help quite a few people around here.�
Jun 2, 2013
Trnsl8r Something a bank uses to hold your money for a guaranteed low interest rate.
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Jun 2, 2013
joshuaeven Buy a flash drive you like the look of/has good reviews on Amazon/has good value, etc (with enough capacity to hold your music... just buy a really big one). Insert into computer. Open iTunes file folder. Find file with all your music. Pull the files you want into the USB drive file folder (I like to use 2 windows for this, resizing so each takes up half the screen). Done!�
Jun 2, 2013
dsm363 If you have a lot of the old iTunes protected AAC music you'll have to sign up for iTunes Match I believe. It's $25 for a year but you can always cancel after you've matched your music and it is converted to the non-protected AAC format.
This might be helpful
How to upgrade tracks to iTunes Match, fast | Macworld
and
Using iTunes Match to convert protected tracks from other iTunes accounts | iLounge Article�
Jun 2, 2013
jerry33 The easiest way, assuming you have Apple Lossless files, is:
1. Copy the directories with finder containing the music to a thumb drive.
2. Use a program like Max to convert the Apple Lossless to FLAC on the thumb drive. Set the program to delete the original files.
3. Insert the thumb drive in the Model S.
4. Enjoy.
If you don't have Apple Lossless files, then just rip the CDs directly to the thumb drive.�
Jun 2, 2013
Merrill Clint, if you do not want to deal with any of this you can send your CDs to a service and have them ripped to FLAC and installed on a flash drive. I am doing this because I do not want to deal with any of it. There are many of these services out there and the cost varies depending on what you want to accomplish. You pay a flat fee per cd (.69) and you can send them a flash drive or they will provide you with one. Then weather you want to insure your CDs and how fast you want them back.�
Jun 2, 2013
SwedishAdvocate If you were to park the car in the sun (in California), then isn�t the battery in the iPod a potential fire hazard in a car that hot?�
Jun 2, 2013
Clint Eastwood Thanks, this is very helpful. Probably by the time I do it an update by tesla will support my iPod plugging in directly, but what the heck.
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No, I can handle it. Plus I ditched all of my CDs after I transferred them all to iTunes. Plus I've downloaded countless albums and songs over the past.�
Jun 2, 2013
ItsNotAboutTheMoney Since the OP asked:
- a hard disk drive uses one or more rigid disks and stores data by controlling a magnetic field.
- flash memory is solid state and essentially uses isolated transistors to store data using electric charge.
Hard disks are cheaper but slower and use more power. In write-heavy operation they are also more durable, with failure being in the motors and controllers rather than the disk itself.
But, flash memory prices are continuing to fall, to the point that flash is gradually taking over from hard disk. If the process continues, hard drive will end up purely as an archiving replacement for tape.
I buy CDs purely so that I can have an original, uncompressed version (as much as digital can ever be uncompressed) but I listen to music in mp3 or ogg vorbis.
If you don't like radio, I suggest using a service like Pandora that tries to match music to your taste while still givng you a chance to listen to stuff you don't have. I can't say it's added any artists to my CD collection, but if I were a single track buyer it would have added quite a few tracks.�
Jun 2, 2013
Clint Eastwood How do I know if they are apple lossless files? Also, will max convert to flac if they are older protected format, or will I have to do the whole iTunes Match first?�
Jun 2, 2013
dsm363 You need the original CDs to rip Apple lossless or FLAC. All of the music you have is likely protected AAC, AAC or mp3s.
Open up iTunes and hit Command-J or go to View->View Options and under File click 'Kind'. That will show the type of file each song is under Music/song view.�
Jun 2, 2013
Seattle Getting back on the original topic, my library has an awesome collection of books on cassette tape and cds. I can rip the cds at home for use during my checkout period, but it would be better if there was a bluetooth battery-powered cassette and cd player.
I've ripped all my personal media, but when going on trips especially, we can still find lots of kids books on tape.
Bluetooth capable cassette players that work on battery or cigarette adapters. are surprisingly hard to search for - I haven't found one yet that looks good. I wonder if I have an old walkman.
And while I'm doing my grouchy old man routine, I should probably complain that there's no aux-in for audio. Video would be nice, but that will probably require some proprietary hack of the system. My wife's prius does have a way to get aux in video but it requires a small amount of dashboard hacking (I have read).�
Jun 2, 2013
dsm363 Why would a CD player be better? I know it's a pain to convert them to mp3/AAC...etc but once you are done, they are extremely portable, can be backed up and much easier to play while you are driving instead of finding a place to store them in the car.
Anyway, this might help in the conversion process for the tapes
Converting audio tapes to digital files | Macworld�
Jun 2, 2013
jerry33 A number of folks like the sound of vinyl plus tube amplifier but so far no one has figured out how to put those in a car. However, CDs aren't any different than lossless audio on a drive (thumb or hard), are more problematic (the players tend to break down and the CDs tend to stick in the players), and are the number one snatch and grab theft item (according to the Neighbourhood Watch policeman).�
Jun 2, 2013
walla2 You can check my post on the first page. I think a Bluetooth headset adapter would work with CD and cassette players of old.
I don't condone using a battery power tape/cd player, but you can certainly do it.�
Jun 2, 2013
spatterso911 I've heard of a Bentley with a tube amplifier, but I think it comes with leather, not vinyl.�
Jun 2, 2013
Cashoverass I found a pretty good solution! This should definitely hold me over until Tesla rolls out their ipod compatibility.
I synched my music library with Google Play Music. They let me hold 20,000 of my 35,000 songs on their cloud which I can play via bluetooth! The sound is good enough and while I'd love to have my whole collection, 20k songs is enough. I guess.
Thanks again guys�
Jun 2, 2013
Clint Eastwood If you are just going to play via Bluetooth, you can lad all of your songs to an iPhone and play via Bluetooth. To Mia, the problem is you have o select the music playlist on the phone instead of the touchscreen.�
Jun 2, 2013
dsm363 That's why putting the music on a USB flash drive until the internal drive is the way to go. If you already have the music on your iPhone it should be simple to copy it to a flash drive.�
Jun 2, 2013
Doug_G CDs are on their way out as a technology, so Tesla absolutely did the right thing by punting it from the car.
Kinda too bad, I like CDs, but they're going the way of the dodo.�
Jun 2, 2013
aaron.s Guys -
Cashoverass has 35,000 songs in his library which is over 160gb so he can't load it on an iPhone and a large enough flash drive would be expensive.... Look at my earlier post.... 500gb slim hard drive is only $52 and works well with the Model S! I think this is a much better solution than storing the music in the cloud which requires a cell connection and doesn't let you control the music via the touchscreen....
I have my partners 42,000 song library on there and it plays perfectly and is only using about 205gb with plenty of space to load ore music....
Aaron
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Jun 2, 2013
FlasherZ My 1965 GTO has a 45 rpm vinyl record player that will play up to 14 songs before it must be reloaded. Unfortunately, it is played through the factory solid-state radio at 1400 kilo-cycles using amplitude modulation, which doesn't provide very high fidelity.
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Yes, I used one that I got from the Apple Store. G-Drive slim. It must be one of the 2.5" varieties, superslim.�
Jun 2, 2013
jtkrpm CD'S? are they those spinning disks that people used to use for storing audio? :biggrin: I guess that would bother some people. I haven't used a CD to play music for years.�
Jun 2, 2013
ZBB Why are you assuming Mr. Eastwood has Apple Lossless?
That is not a default in iTunes -- so for people that just use the stock settings, the files are likely AAC instead...
Please keep in mind that most people are not audiophiles. They enjoy music, but likely can't tell the difference between a lossless file, 256kb bitrate or 128kb nitrate... I know I can't...�
Jun 3, 2013
jerry33 I wasn't. Just giving the directions for if he had them.�
Jun 3, 2013
cwerdna I sometimes wonder about people w/such a large music library. How much of the library goes unplayed? Looking at iTunes, there are over 3000 items (mostly songs) in the music portion of my iTunes library. It'd take 8.5 days (presuming they calculate that based upon 24 hours) to listen to it all and it totals only 16.7 gigs.
I have a smart playlist for songs that I haven't played in the last 5 months (I've filtered out audiobooks, podcasts, certain genres that would be actually audiobooks, etc.) and that comes out to 2589 items (songs), that would take 7.4 days to play.
My 80 gig iPod Classic is still more than enough for all my music storage needs.�
Jun 4, 2013
JohnQ Library collected over many years with many different interests over that time. Plus pulled old vinyl into digital format because I hate buying music again in a different format. Although the size of my collection doesn't compare to what Aaron described, when loaded in FLAC format it's about 80GB.
It's been 25 years since I've played a Black Sabbath song but I still have it in my library. Should I just purge? Perhaps, but storage is cheap so why not just leave it there? I have an old 250GB hard drive from my laptop that I've repurposed as my media storage in the S. Costs me nothing to do this so why not? There are songs I play once every two or three years and it's nice to have them available on demand (for example the acoustic version of "Drowned" that's on Secret Policeman's Ball with Pete Townshend's remarkable guitar playing)�
Jun 4, 2013
aaron.s cwerdna
My partners musical "mood" changes from week to week (many times day to day). He likes knowing that when he is in the mood to hear something, he has instant access to it whenever he likes without having to fish for a CD. We have a 4 zone Sonos system in the house and music gets played every day. I wanted to surprise him with having his entire music library available in the car for long trips (we do a 5 hour trip up to cape cod every summer) and look forward by this winter to be able to drive down to FL from NY using superchargers - being able to pull up any song as the mood arises....
Aaron
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Jun 6, 2013
cwerdna ^^^
I understand the the mood/tastes changing, but there are plenty of songs that I've just skipped and never bothered listening in their entirety even twice, some never. Most of them tend to be freebies from Amazon or iTunes or part of compilation that I bought via a promo deal. A few are accidentally "played" if my iPod is inadvertently left playing (to nothing) for many hours.
I do sometimes mark songs as 1 star and sometimes go and delete those, esp. if they cost me nothing to buy.
When I rip my own CDs, for most of them, I actually at least sample the beginning of each and only rip songs that I find at least ok. Ones that I'd skip each time don't get ripped.
I'd be very curious to see what a smart playlist for songs that haven't been played in the last 6 months, year or 2 years looks like. You might be amazed by how many are there and how much listening time is required to get thru them.�
Jun 6, 2013
ggies07 I don't mean to be a jerk, but we can laugh about this now, right? I mean, you bought the most advance car out there right now and you didn't know or bother to check what it had in it? hahahaha.
I'm glad you found a solution though.�
Jun 6, 2013
Cashoverass Hi Ggies, I'm not ready to laugh yet. I'm still disappointed. In certain aspects, yes, this car is definitely the most advanced car but at $70k-$110k, this one particular aspect is still very disappointing.
You guys can write-off CDs if you want but physical media isn't going away any time soon. Between CDs, Dvd's, blurays, dvid-audio, super audio cd, etc. etc. there is still very much a demand for a media slot. you can laugh at me for not realizing the car didn't have a CD player, but honestly, this must be the only car on the market without one. Seriously. The cheapest kia to the most expensive luxury car and everything in between come with at least a single cd slot. Every other car in this price bracket would have a 6 dish changer with ripping functionality.
I wouldn't mind if the ipod functionality worked or they unlocked the way for us to store Mp3's right on the hard drive of the car but as of now, i'm sick of Slacker radio and google play via bluetooth is only a temporary solution.
And can you guys imagine what a DVD audio disc would sound like through this amazing stereo system?!�
Jun 6, 2013
brianman I think you're misunderstand something, or maybe people haven't expressed it well.
The cheapest kia also has exhaust. We don't want that. We consider it an improvement to not have it.
Similarly, some of us think it's an improvement not to have another set of moving parts in the form a CD player or DVD player.�
Jun 7, 2013
dsm363 Did you get a USB thumb drive? I bought a 32GB one for $10 and stores a few thousand songs. I realize that isn't all 40,000 songs you have but I'd imagine carrying the CDs that correspond to the 40,000 songs would take up the entire frunk.
Honestly I'm happy it doesn't have a CD player, just something that can break. I still buy CDs as a physical backup and so I can rip them at the quality I want (Apple Lossless now which doesn't play on the Model S but higher rate AAC does and FLAC does). I can also switch between thousands of songs just by touching the 17" screen. I think you'd agree that is much easier than digging out a CD while driving from the case and changing it out.
Tesla is just ahead of the curve with CD players (like in so many other areas). Apple ditched the floppy drive about 5 years before everyone else did as an example of a company ditching an old technology when they thought it was right but the rest of the industry still thought people wanted it (some still did). Since you said you already had a large number of your songs in mp3 format I would think dragging them onto a USB drive wouldn't be too difficult.
Here's a 64GB one for $40 (128GB is over $80).
Amazon.com: SanDisk Cruzer 64 GB USB Flash Drive (SDCZ36-064G-AFFP): Electronics
Amazon.com: SanDisk Cruzer Glide 128 GB USB Flash Drive SDCZ60-128G-B35: Computers Accessories
Looks like 256GB drives are avaliable but are $270 and don't know if they work with the Model S. The drive in the Model S should be activated this year sometime but until then a 64GB USB drive is a very cheap way to get a few thousand songs on a drive. Much easier than CDs I would think.�
Jun 7, 2013
Cashoverass Thanks DSM. I have a 500gig external harddrive that I thought would work. It doesn't seem to be loading up and I was told the single usb port in the car might not provide enough amperage?? I bought a y adapter that will let me use both USB ports to provide power into the harddrive. I have no idea if this will work but I'll try it out. If that doesn't work, I'll buy the slim harddrive that Aaron recommended and confirmed powers up and runs on the Tesla S.�
Jun 7, 2013
brianman There are two USB ports.
Some folks have had luck with SSDs and as well as some spinning drives (perhaps laptop drives?).�
Jun 7, 2013
aaron.s The USB ports on the Model S are low power.... I specifically bought this because it was said that it works on low power and does work perfectly in the car.
A bargain at $52!!!!
Aaron
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Jun 7, 2013
brianman @aaron.s - Is there a link missing from your post?�
Jun 7, 2013
clea I think the missing link is posted in this post Disappointed in the media situation so far (No CD player in Model S) - Page 2�
Jun 7, 2013
Cashoverass Brianman�
Jun 7, 2013
brianman @Cashoverass
I now understand what you intended, but they way you said it was inaccurate and thus confusing. You said the car has 1 port, not that the car has two ports that you've "merged" into a single port experience via an adapter. For example, I could say "my car has 5 ports" because I have a 1:4 port multiplier on one of the car-provided USB ports; that would be inaccurate and confusing as well. Anyway, I wasn't meaning to nitpick. Let's move along.�
Jun 7, 2013
Cashoverass awe man. sorry you read that wrong. I think the best way to move forward from here is for you to take more words/names of things and turn them into acronyms. I think you and I love backronyms equally as much.�
Jun 7, 2013
gregincal Yes, and I'd be totally pissed about the lack of an ability to access any of my music, since I don't have any CDs. I've been so totally sick of having to hook up an iPod with an audio cable and scroll through its tiny display to select what I want. The Model S has a far superior music system over any other car I've looked at. I love the ability to quickly select any artist I want on a large touchscreen (although the interface could definitely be improved. I'd love to have favorite albums to quickly select the way you can have favorite radio stations.)�
Jun 8, 2013
Rodolfo Paiz Also, ripping music into each and every car -- some of us have more than one car for various reasons -- is a royal pain. Some track data isn't recognized, and you have to edit letter by letter on the car's stupid tiny screen... if the car allows editing at all. I've dealt with Honda, BMW, and others: CD's are not the ideal way to handle audio.
For years now, my preferred solution has been to rip my CD's to my computer using a program called MediaMonkey. I rip the tracks to WAV format, which is uncompressed CD-quality audio and takes up roughly 40-50MB per song. Then, I simply have to set up sync profiles for each device, with each profile containing a set of filters to select music from the whole library and a specified file/audio format. For my Model S, I have a 128GB USB flash drive and the profile says to sync all songs rated 3 stars or higher in FLAC format with max compression. For the Honda, since I don't drive it that often, I use a 32GB flash drive and I select the same three-star songs but I convert to 256 Kbps MP3.
All I have to do is bring in the flash drive from whatever car it was in, and plug it into my computer. MediaMonkey recognizes the device, adds or deletes songs from it automatically... and every song gets converted from my standard WAV file to whatever audio format I selected for that flash drive. Works for iPods, Androids, flash drives, Sansa, anything. And I only have to store one copy of the song on my main computer's drives.�
Jul 9, 2013
AustinPowers lack of CD player in Model S
Priceless. And coming from someone whose username is Beavis too :wink:
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Or they could have included a CD drive (that also plays SACD's) and optimized for that ;-)
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+1 on every account, especially the missing CD player. That omission is a big miss by Tesla imho.�
Jul 10, 2013
dsm363 With everything being digital these days many would argue that not having a CD player isn't a huge loss although I understand why many would want it. If you have a ton of CDs (which I do) but haven't converted them to mp3, AAC or FLAC then CD support would make things easier. The lack of CD support might just be the push to convert CDs to AAC or FLAC then which enables you to put thousands of songs on a USB thumb drive and not have to switch CDs while driving. They do need to support Apple Lossless on top of FLAC though and improve the audio interface and enable the on-board storage.�
Jul 11, 2013
AustinPowers "Everything being digital these days" is quite a generalization. While I agree many of the young, hip (or wannabe) people will prefer digital material, I am sure the majority worldwide still has tons of CDs. Now I just think how long it would take me to digitize all of my several hundred CDs. It's prohibitive, I just haven't got that much time to waste. I have got a family with two small kids after all - and spending as much of my little free time with them as possible is far more important to me. Plus, many of those people who car afford a Model S in the first place are either professionals who have "made it" (at whatever age) or in many cases senior citizens with the kids out of the house and no remaining morgage or other credit costs on their minds. Especially many older people aren't really into digitizing media (I know that is also a generalization, but so far my experience has told me it seems to be quite true).
So while getting rid of a CD player in the Model S may appeal to the young/hip/with-it/techie crowd, for the majority of potential buyers it is just an unnessecary omission, or even an annoyance that they won't be able to play their music in that car (without taking said effort to digitize all their stuff first).
Oh and about the "changing CDs while driving" argument, perhaps you remember there used to be something called a CD changer (which I happen to have in my car). :wink:�
Jul 11, 2013
WarpedOne I just LOLed ... CD is a digital media.
Analog were old cassete tapes (not Sony DT) and vinyl records. Compact disc is a digital media, almost exactly like USB stick is a digital media. It is just the physical form and ease of transportation/modification/usage.�
Jul 11, 2013
yobigd20 CDs are a thing of the past. I am happy they omitted it. I haven't touched a cd or used a CD burner in a few years now. Old school tech!�
Jul 11, 2013
dsm363 I realize it is an adjustment but the same could be said for supporting cassette tapes. At a certain point things move on and if a CD player or changer is vital to car ownership then the Model S won't work for that person. There are services that you can mail your CDs to and have them converted to mp3, FLAC...etc on a thumb drive so other than cost, no effort involved.
Apple ditched the floppy drive 5 years before PCs did and they did fine. People who wanted their products complained but they adjust. I also think people would enjoy having their entire music library at their finger tips. Even with a CD changer you can't fit more than 6 CDs usually.�
Jul 11, 2013
jerry33 And that's when the 6 CD changer actually works. They aren't particularly robust.�
Jul 12, 2013
AustinPowers You're quite right, I should have specified. I know that what he meant by "digital media" was content that is not stored on ancient devices like CD's ;-)�
Jul 12, 2013
stopcrazypp Here's an article on this trend (moving away from CD players in cars):
http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120110/OEM10/120109913/1261#axzz2YoWtYUzZ
Basically young people don't care about CD players, older people still do. Automakers would prefer to move away from CD players, as they are expensive. Tesla probably moved away for the same reason (they have an even tougher position since they won't have the volume to get the same prices as larger automakers).�
Jul 12, 2013
AustinPowers Interesting link. But are CD players really that expensive? When I think of how little "normal" CD players (i.e. outside of cars) cost, I wonder why CD players for cars should be expensive???
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??? I've had CD changers in cars for almost two decades now, and never even the slightest glitch. I mean there are a lot of things in car that can break, but I've never heard of anyone whose CD player (or changer) broke. Mind you, I am talking OEM factory installed hardware - not later add-on tech.
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Of course a CD player is not vital to a car, after all as you said, in even older days cars only had tape decks. It's just that I think Tesla made a mistake by not even offering a CD player as an option. Simply arguing that their customers should "move on" is showing quite an attitude - one that (like Apple's) does not make a company very sympathetic to be honest. And quite condescending too. I'm not sure if it comes from their Silicon Valley approach towards designing a car - trying to depart as radically from tradition as possible.�
Jul 12, 2013
Mayhemm This is the most technologically advanced vehicle on the market. To bog it down with tech on the way out is sort of missing the point. My last three computers didn't even have an optical drive. Sony stopped making them a year ago. Is Tesla supposed to add a reportedly expensive part to their vehicle just because you can't find the time to rip a few dozen CDs to a USB drive? Suggestion: Try one a day. Surely you can find 10 minutes?
Was Tesla being condescending when they omitted map pockets in favor of a "cleaner" design? What about putting the user's manual online? That makes the assumption that every owner uses a computer. How dare they make such wild assumptions?!
Not having a CD drive is just something people will have to get used to. Just like using a touch screen for everything and dealing with charging stations of varying designs. All compromises made in return for a really great car.�
Jul 12, 2013
Oyvind.H The whole car screams "forget the past". Buyers should move on, on several areas. I know it`s some work to convert a whole cd-collection as I did it myself a few years ago. Ironically the digitalized cd-collection is not in use anymore as everything is streamed now�
Jul 12, 2013
WarpedOne The real distinction now is not between analog and digital but between mechanical and "solid state" players. CD is still a mechanical device that rattles and wears out. Flash drives only wear out
Do we know if a HDD is in Model S?�
Jul 12, 2013
dsm363 A CD player takes up space and is another part that can break. Adding it as an option is yet another piece to the complex dance they had to get this car launched and that wasn't trouble free as well all know. I don't think it is arrogant to say 'most customers don't want a CD player or will adjust so wont put one in' by Tesla. You could say the same for ashtrays and cigarette lighters in cars. There are still more than a few people who smoke and want one in their car but Tesla (and almost everyone else now) left it out.�
Jul 12, 2013
phat78boy I gave up CD's several years ago and as of late don't even utilize physical media for my movies. Adding a CD/DVD player would be a total waste to me and in my opinion degrade the "future" feel of the vehicle.
I would, however, liked to see more USB inputs. The glove box defintely should have had one.�
Jul 12, 2013
jerry33 Well, I replaced three 6 disk factory changers in the VW TDI, and the 6 disk factory changer in the Prius just broke at ~150,000 miles. The best thing I can say about them is that they are more reliable than the mechanical car clocks of the 1950s and 1960s (which typically worked for about a week).�
Jul 12, 2013
stopcrazypp Well there's a couple of factors. Most car CD players are CD changers, not a simple 1 disc player. They are also expected to work for beyond the car's warranty period, which is typically more than 3 years. Consumer CD players are warrantied for 1 year only.
There's also most likely much less manufacturers of car CD players, so less competition, which would raise prices. Plus Tesla would have to negotiate prices with the manufacturer based on their own volume, while a consumer buys from a bulk retailer that already has the volume.
I agree with dsm636 though. The costs to integrating that in the car (option or otherwise) is probably what will cost the most. The Model S from the start (way back in the prototype stage) was not designed for the standard head unit. The idea is to minimize the amount of physical buttons and components and a standard car CD player would probably add a lot of them unless they go the custom route (which would be even more expensive).�
Jul 13, 2013
Mayhemm I'm actually a bit surprised Model S doesn't have an AUX jack, though.
Then if somebody really wanted a CD player or Cassette player, they could plug one in (it would be awkward as hell, and I'd never do it in a million years, but...optionality). Couldn't have cost much to stick one next to the USB ports.�
Jul 13, 2013
AustinPowers Well the cigarette loving crowd and how carmakers deal with them is a perfect example for what I suggested with the CD drive - make it optional at least.
Every carmaker here e.g. offers to either have the "smoker's package" (i.e. ashtray and cigarette lighter) or like in my car the "nonsmoker's package" (i.e. 12-Volt outlet and small item holding area instead of the lighter/ashtray combi). Both options are normally free by the way, like the omission of the model/engine signage on the rear of the car, which most people choose nowadays.
In that case one could also argue that a car looks cleaner without that senseless lettering on the back so customers should "move on" and get used to clean looking cars. I guess quite a lot of people who like to show off what great engine their car has would be really pissed.
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It doesn't even have an AUX jack? Well, all I can say is perhaps Tesla really wanted to get the thing out on the market as soon as possible and therefor omitted some things that seemed irrelevant to them. At least that would be understandable, especially if after the car has been around for a while they add such thing as options at a later time when all the initial teething problems have been ironed out.�
Jul 13, 2013
phat78boy Has anyone tried to plug in a USB CD player?
With the car having an Internet connection, BT, Sat, etc.... I'm not sure what I would plug in AUX anyway.�
Jul 13, 2013
AustinPowers Well as Daimler is a strategic partner, Tesla could have easily sourced CD player units from the Mercedes parts bin (or bought them via the Daimler negotiation powers) like they did with all the other Daimler sourced parts like the buttons for the electric windows, the gearlever/signalling stalk/steering wheel unit.
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Sorry to say, but the most technologically advanced vehicle on the market it certainly is not. Granted it is the best BEV currently on the market, with a crazy huge touchscreen instead of buttons. That it is. But be realistic, nothing else about this car is technologically very advanced - or more advanced than what other carmakers offer. I would dare say that cars that can park themselves, have hud's, night vision, can avoid collisions autonomously, use full LED headlights, etc. etc. are far more technologically advanced.
Or tell me, what, apart from the BEV tech and the touchscreen, is technologically more advanced than what any other automaker offers?
Am I the only one in the world who has hundreds of CD's they just don't want to rip just to satisfy a carmaker? Surely not.
I have no use for music files anywhere else, why should I need them in a car?
Yes they were actually. Like with getting rid of every other usable interior storage space. And at least that is a design decision that quite a few people tend to dislike. Even here on the forum. Otherwise there wouldn't be a market for stuff like soflauthor's great center console.
Or they will have to buy an EV from a carmaker that knows how to satisfy even those backward customers that still make up the majority of the market worldwide...�
Jul 13, 2013
jerry33 In my opinion, ancillary features are not technical advancements to the core competency of a car.�
Jul 13, 2013
phat78boy After your test drive, you won't remember half the things you were "missing".�
Jul 13, 2013
JohnQ Funny how a significant percentage of threads turns into a discussion about "missing" features. It's a very personal thing. I honestly miss nothing from a feature standpoint (okay, I'd like sport seats).�
Jul 13, 2013
EMDoc agreed!
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Jul 13, 2013
AnOutsider The poster said most technologically advanced in a thread discussing in cabin tech features. You can't exactly then change the playing field.
I agree btw. The model S is cool but in cabin tech is definitely hurting in some areas. If I had to compare it to our A6, the S wins on remote app and touch screen (which makes entering destinations easier, but the S still has an inferior navigation system), and that's about it.�
Jul 14, 2013
AustinPowers Actually I don't think so. See below as to why.
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That's the direction my comments were aiming at.
Sure, the Model S as a BEV is the greatest thing currently rolling around on this planet. But even though I haven't had my test-drive yet (which I am sure will blow me away as far as the BEV tech and driving is concerned), but I at least have sat in one by now. And, great performance and battery range aside, the car for my taste leaves a lot more to be desired than what I had hoped for all these years I kept drooling about one day getting a Model S.
None of the things I miss would on themselves lead to me not buying the car. But combined, and with the fact that the car with the configuration I would choose comes in at almost 100K Euro, they simply could outweigh the great ride/performance (which isn't the main point of a BEV anyway) for a lot of customers like myself over here. Perhaps in the end it comes down to a different mentality when it comes to cars. Quite a few of the comments by the American majority here on the forum make me shake my head in astonishment, and I am sure many of you think the same about my comments that to many Model S fans/drivers/believers might seem like heresy or at least nosy, coming from some petty German who moans because such a great car comes without a CD player and the like.
But it's not just me. I know I tend to use generalizations quite often (then again many people do), but I really do know a thing or two about the German mentality, especially when it comes to cars, and what people here like or dislike, do or don't. It really is quite different to what Tesla might have expected this market to be. Even the store personnel have admitted they are unsure about some of Tesla's decisions concerning the Model S feature list! Then again, seeing that the Euro Model S can be had with an optional parking sensor package and some other (so far) Euro-only options shows at least some hope that Tesla is beginning to understand that sticking to their standard car package/business model (which seems to be working great in the US) won't work in other important markets. Exactly like the German manufacturers have adapted their business models, and their cars, quite a bit for other markets like Asia, North- and South-America etc. Just take the VW Passat as one perfect example. The US version is a completely different model (inside, outside, feature-wise, price) to the one you can get in Europe, and for good reasons.�
Jul 14, 2013
dsm363 AustinPowers: I think you may be right and it's something Tesla seems to want to address. They likely couldn't launch the car with everything they wanted to right away but will add features over the years. People will have to jump in when the car + features included is greater than what is missing.�
Jul 14, 2013
AmpedRealtor This car's drivetrain is groundbreaking. It's never been attempted before on this scale, and the EV's appeal has never been stronger. This car is a revolution.
Perhaps the question shouldn't be whether the car is everything that you dreamed, but whether it's close enough. You can't satisfy everyone, and there will always be something that's missing, another this or that to add, and can't forget those "me too" features that the media will judge you on... it never ends. Look at the overall package and remind yourself that this damn thing is electric! 100% electric, can fuel itself in your own garage, and it kicks the butt of every other car on the road. Yes, it could use nicer cup holders... but come on, what's not to love about this car?
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Jul 14, 2013
SwedishAdvocate Perhaps one could look at it this way (IMHO that is):
In one hand you have the factory mounted CD-player/changer and the other stuff that one currently can�t equip the Model S with.
In the other hand you have the sea level rising through your fingers* (metaphorically speaking, of course).
As of today, the reality may be, that being part of accelerating the move to what hopefully can be sustainable personal transportation comes with having to be able to accept driving a car without a factory mounted CD-player (and what not).
Everyone who has the means to make such a choice will simply have to decide whatever they value the most � CD-player (+�) or sea-level...
In the meantime � as I understand it � you could always e-mail any suggestion that you have to ownership[at]teslamotors.com. If enough people lobby for a CD-player, perhaps they�ll decide to accommodate your suggestions.�
Jul 14, 2013
phat78boy You are right, there is a compromise with almost every vehicle. Whether it be available seats, comfort features, performance, etc. I simply believe this car is the best all around performance for the money. Yes, this is purely dependent on each buyers taste.�
Jul 14, 2013
stopcrazypp Maybe they can take from the parts bin, but I doubt they can buy via negotiation powers.
But see my latter comment about why it may not be viable for Tesla to just take a parts bin CD player. For one they never had a standard head unit slot in the design (from the very early prototype stage). Next is that a standard parts bin CD player will have lots of dedicated buttons which is completely against the core design of the Model S. And the integration costs probably is what Tesla would most like to avoid. Not having a CD player is just means one less thing Tesla has to worry about when they have plenty of others.�
Jul 14, 2013
AustinPowers I won't go into all the things that are missing imho, as I have already done so quite often in many other threads, and I don't want to get on people's nerves by endlessly complaining about the same things. Suffice it to say, at the moment there are quite a few items about the Model S that really annoy me.
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The problem is, as long as the major part of electricity is produced by coal/oil/gas/nuclear power stations (and it will be decades before the sustainable energy power stations will have a share in power generation that is greater than that of the fossile/nuclear ones - at least in most countries) even a Model S is not really sustainable transportation, as the CO2/nuclear waste is just produced elsewhere, not in your garage.
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True, and that is one point in my equation. As the Model S is far more expensive here, it has to face quite a different set of opponents. Plus there is almost no incentive for buying an EV here either. So for the money I would have to pay, just the electric drivetrain is not really able to justify spending almost 100K Euro - at the moment. For 100K Euro (which is far more than what I would spend on any car anyway) I would get almost fully loaded high end Audis/Mercs/BMWs (some even with very convincing hybrid tech) that would shame a Model S in every respect apart from the EV drivetrain.
That is one reason why I am hoping that possibly the Gen III will finally be the car I am looking for: great Tesla tech at better value for money and perhaps with some of the features that I consider "missing" in the Model S - even though I am sure that a CD player won't be to be found in Gen III either. On the other hand perhaps until 2017 I will have found the time (and ambition) to rip all of my CDs ;-)�
Jul 16, 2013
dsm363 As mentioned before, there are services to convert your CDs to mp3, FLAC...etc so if you have a few hundred CDs and don't feel like doing it can take advantage of that. I went through all of my CDs in a day. You don't need to stand there and watch it convert the CDs so really just popping a CD in, walking away, and taking it out then putting next one in. At some point I imagine almost no cars will have built in CD players so you'll have to do this anyway.�
Jul 16, 2013
Cashoverass dang. Stopcrazypp, you're making me feel old!! I know I'm not the youngest Model S owner here but at 29 years old, I didn't realize I was part of the "old people" group.
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Hi guys! I'm glad to see people discussing this. Debating like adults. After I originally made this post, one of the mods added the part in the title about the cd player missing... I didn't do that. I think a lot of people are missing the point.
It's not that there is no cd player... it's that the media options are totally lacking. No Cd player, no dvds, no SACDs, no dvd audio, no ipod integration, no aux 3.5mm jack, no XM or Sirrius (does anyone even still use this?? ), no google play, no amazon music subscription sync. there are tons of media options, and a lot are missing here. For the first time ever I used FM radio and while HD was cool (i've never had a car with HD radio) it cuts in and out a lot and when it's cutting out, the regular signal realllly sucked! maybe that's just my location here.
A lot of people are complaining about the odds of the cd player breaking.... Did you guys get the Model S option to remove the electronic door handles that pop out?? I didn't realize Tesla let you opt for the old school mechanical handles. to me, these electronic ones are awesome and, even though they might break, I'll take my chances because I like them so much.�
Jul 16, 2013
dsm363 The media options are far ahead of any car I've ever owned before. The fact I can for a few thousand songs onto a USB drive and then sort through it on a 17" screen is amazing. There is no doubt the feature set is still limited but SACD never really caught on and neither did DVD audio. Tesla has decided to not allow video at this point. iPod integration may come in a future update.�
Jul 16, 2013
dsm363 XM is an option.�
Jul 16, 2013
brianman My terminology:
"HDD" = "hard disk drive", i.e. a storage medium with a mechanical spinning drive
"SSD" = "solid state drive", i.e. a storage medium with (almost?) no moving parts
"Flash" = microSD card, etc.
My recollection is that various flavors of the language on the specs page that used to refer to 500 songs and such used terms like flash or solid-state. I think the former, but I'm not 100% sure.
Also, to my recollection there is no evidence on TMC that there is a HDD anywhere in the car.
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A few thoughts on why they excluded CD player in the first place:
- maintenance overhead from wear and tear of this additional mechanical device
- reliability issues and/or user experience problems with such a device
- "old tech" vibe to it (a cd player makes it an "old person's" car)
- interior design aesthetics: another slit and gadgetry in the dash goes against the principles that led to the "opportunity void"
- sustainability: including a cd player implies supporting a technology that uses disposable discs that in aggregate are a non-trivial pollution
- lack of critical need: alternate sources available, and ripping-to-usb alternative
- if you include a CD player, people would want a DVD player (more space and video options) and they don't want to tickle the "video" dragon any more than they already have�
Jul 16, 2013
gregincal I agree with this. I've never before had a car that allowed me to freely pick any of my music collection by artist name on a large screen. I can't imagine why anybody would prefer to be limited to whatever CDs they happened to load into the changer, as well as the fact that I've hated the interface to every cd changer I've ever used, which is why for the last 10+ years I've selected my music on a tiny iPod screen connected to the car stereo by whatever means were available.�
Jul 16, 2013
mnx I think it's hilarious that anyone would complain that a CD player is missing... What is this 1999????? I guess I started using mp3's before they were popular. In fact I used to record mp3's to casette so I could listen to them in the car. Why would you want to be limited to 6 different albums when you can have you entire music catalog at your finger tips? If you've never ripped CD's before it's pretty painless. Insert disc into drive, click button, done.
I guess that is what happens when early adopter meets early majority.�
Jul 16, 2013
Merrill Yes, me too. I will relate my thoughts about not having a CD player. I should preface this by saying that I fall into to that + category related to age, so do not know very much about the latest technology. When first researching the Model S and found out it had no CD player I was amazed, thinking that it was like the spare tire. Once I did the research and realized that a CD player is old technology and then having my music on a flashdrive and not just 6 CDs that you have to rotate but as many albums as you want, I got it. Having the album art on the 17 inch screen with the description of the song and name of the album is so much better than punching in cd 1, or cd 2 etc. the options you have to select your music is in it self a big step forward. After using the system for 2 months I cannot imagine going back to a CD player, which by the way always break at some point.�
Jul 16, 2013
dsm363 The important thing is how you interface with the music, not what kind of media it is on. With most CD changers you can have a most 10 discs I believe and only select 'disc 1,2,3.....etc' and have to remember what song you like on that disc. No playlists, album art, sing names or favorites. Tesla nailed the interface now they need to work on adding features which is a matter of time and programming. You couldn't provide what Tesla does with a CD changer and six physical buttons and a small monochrome LCD screen.�
Jul 16, 2013
100thMonkey since going digital I don't even know where half my CD's are anymore, same for DVD's for that matter! Gradually they have gone the way of vinyl in our house... I don't buy them any more, barely have anything to even play them on. have you tried bluetoothing Spotify? I'm a Pandora fanatic but all my friends tell me Spotify is the way to go for hearing what you want when you want to.�
Jul 16, 2013
jkirkebo Maybe it's a german thing then, because there is no such option for the Leaf.�
Jul 16, 2013
brianman Totally disagree. I don't want or need that in my car. Furthermore, I wouldn't have wanted to (a) pay extra for it as part of my Sig-nearly-everything purchase nor (b) Tesla to spend money on it without raising my price.�
Jul 16, 2013
aaronw I would suggest that all Tesla has to do is add support for a USB CD/DVD ROM drive. I have one for my netbook but Tesla doesn't recognize it. Since it's running Linux it shouldn't be that hard to support.�
Jul 16, 2013
AustinPowers That's an attitude I really hate about some "young" people, sorry to say.
Just because CDs have been around since 1980 they are still not an outdated medium. Hell, even Vinyls are becoming ever more popular again!
The more "things" are made "invisible" (Music as files, often just streamed, Cloud computing instead of physical hard drives in your computer, audio books instead of real books, etc.), the more many people feel an urge for more physical stuff again. Perhaps not people like you, but many others, myself included. I like to look at my CD collection, choose a certain cherished album, marvel at the cover art and the effort that went into the booklet (yes I like to hold it in my hand instead of looking at it on a screen - how old school and backward), then take out the CD/SACD and pop it into my high-end sound system and listen to music at its best possible quality.
The thought of listening to some compressed (best streamed) music "soundalike" makes me shudder. If you want to poison your ears, fine by me, if you want to ruin your eyes by only using computer screens anymore, fine as well. I am happy to not have to bring myself to that.
I still read physical books.
I still listen to music on oldfashioned media like CD or Vinyl.
I still use a PC instead of a tablet.
I still use a mobile phone, not a smartphone.
Ok, so this makes me an "old" guy, backward, out-of-time, possibly retarded even, because I haven't seen the light of total dependence on online services, rip-offs like Apple or other institutions that just want to sell me stuff all the time, at their own disgression, right?
If the answer is yes, then I am happy to be such an old guy from ages ago like 1999. Perhaps I should return to my cave now...�
Jul 16, 2013
cwerdna Yep. It became that easy many years ago w/software like Musicmatch Jukebox and iTunes coming later. There are obviously many others.
I remember the crappy old days of many CD-ROM drives not supporting DAE while some were real slow or unreliable at it. Then, I had to use random utilities to rip to .WAV then a command line transcoder which took forever on CPUs of that era. One had to name their songs right manually and organize them. Then, sync/copy to MP3 player software was pretty lousy and early flash-based MP3 players had pitiful storage (had a Diamond Rio PMP 300 then 500).
My receiving a free click-wheel 20 gig iPod thanks to TiVo rewards points (program long defunct) along w/using iTun changed everything for me.�
Jul 16, 2013
AustinPowers I don't think such services exist here, at least I have never heard of any. Then again, I wouldn't send all of my CDs to some service anyway, hell knows how they would treat them, if some were lost in transport, etc. And above all that I should have to pay quite some money for something that isn't really much use to me.
And of course I know how to rip CDs in general, I have done it with some for years, it's just up to now I didn't see much sense in it as I don't use music files a lot.
And if one day no car had a CD player anymore, I could still just listen to radio. It's not that I would absolutely need my own music in my car at all, since listening to music in a car is just an add-on anyway. One should concentrate on driving first and foremost. That is why I don't mind that my changer in the trunk has just 6 slots (plus the seventh CD that can go directly into the player in the dash). And playlists or cover art I don't need either while driving. What for? As mentioned above, I concentrate on driving my car, watching out that none of the other idiots on the roads kills my family and myself with their driving style - often neglecting traffic for using their mobile, searching for songs in their playlists etc. Many accidents happen because people don't focus on driving. I don't think a big screen with album art and thousands of song titles to choose and constantly change helps focussing on traffic...�
Jul 16, 2013
brianman Why are you assuming that you have to convert/compress the audio when transferring it from CD/SACD to USB key?
All my CD tracks were ripped as raw WAV files and stored directly on my USB key.�
Jul 16, 2013
dmunjal But you don't read on scrolls? But you don't listen to music on 8-track? But don't use a typewriter? But you don't use a landline phone?
You do like advancements in technology, but just what you're used to. A lot of us are no different. We just like the latest and greatest.�
Jul 17, 2013
AnOutsider Yep, and I hear vinyl guys complaining about the crappy quality of CDs, so "poisoning" your ears is relative.�
Jul 17, 2013
AustinPowers Of course I use a landline phone as my main means of communications. My mobile phone is for emergencies or when I'm underway.
But you're right, I like what I'm used to.
And I like new tech, when I see an advantage for me. DVDs are a perfect example. Before them I had quite a few (i.e. around 300) VHS tapes (bought as well as self-recorded). I also had several audio cassettes with music/audio books. But from the getgo I hated that rewinding/forwarding and the bad quality. When CDs/DVDs became available, they were (and still are imho) the perfect medium. Instant access, high quality, and with DVDs the option to listen to films in several languages, with or without subtitles, watch bonus material etc. So I switched from VHS/audio cassettes to DVD/CD. I also have some BluRay discs, but no films that I already have on DVD, as the quality difference often isn't very noticable (at least with those films/series I have, which are often not of the best quality source material).
I just can't see any advantage for me in media files (especially cloud/streaming services) and therefor don't see them as "the latest and greatest".�
Jul 17, 2013
Al Sherman To each his own. I'm very glad NOT to have all those CD's cluttering up my car. Losing them. Putting the wrong one in the wrong case. A USB with every CD I own in Lossless format takes up a heck of a lot less space.�
Jul 17, 2013
dsm363 The advantage is you can store a few thousand songs on a small USB drive and not have to shuffle through multiple CDs while you are driving.�
Jul 17, 2013
nrcooled The MS offers a bevvy of tech options. We have the internet radio options, USB, bluetooth, and satilite radio. I regularly stream Pandora, Google Play, and other services from my phone and with AD2P the album art work shows on the screen along with the ability to switch between tracks and play/pause. Short of playing physical media the car really has everything.
I am a little bit biased since I haven't actually listened to a physical CD in years though so it isnt something that I miss at all.�
Jul 17, 2013
Zythryn +1. CDs were a nightmare for us.�
Jul 17, 2013
TommyBoy Interesting! Does this work well for you? If that's the case, and you have an LTE-capable phone, it pretty much kills the need to have an LTE-enabled Tesla from the get-go!�
Jul 17, 2013
nrcooled I have a LTE phone so streaming is easy via bluetooth. Both the car and my phone are AT&T so if one doesn't have a good signal both don't.
With this being said, you have to modify the Pandora app to make it send art work over AD2P when using android. It's easy to do and there are instructions on the Web. The iPhone app does this automatically.�
Jul 17, 2013
brianman In addition to higher quality "at purchase", DVDs and CDs offer sustained high quality -- i.e. there aren't the warping and corruption effects that VHS and cassette tapes had.
Similarly, one advantage that you can readily see (heh) with USB/SSD rips of DVDs is that you can scratch a DVD and it's ruined (100% loss of quality). This can happen quite easily when dropping or simply handling the discs repeatedly. I have zero examples in my personal history of ruining a USB key by handling it or dropping it whereas I have dozens of examples for DVDs and CDs.�
Jul 17, 2013
aaronw It usually only takes a few seconds to convert the wav files from a CD to flac. The tools I use automatically do this when ripping CDs. I just pop in a CD and out pops a folder full of flac files. The ripping itself takes much longer than the conversion. With flac I can store twice as much on a USB key with no loss in quality.�
Jul 17, 2013
MikeC If you feel a CD player is necessary then the Model S probably isn't the car for you. It's the car of the future, not the past.�
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