May 26, 2015
Bill D Even Hyundai gets it: HYUNDAI TO BRING ANDROID AUTO TO CARS. It sure seems like Android Auto and Apple CarPlay are showing the way to the ultimate automotive user interface paradigm.
I should able to jump in my car, or anyone's car, even a rental car, and see my own phone's stuff on the dashboard and talk to it, scroll it or select things with steering wheel buttons or the touchscreen. Obviously, dangerous stuff, like Netflix or texting should be blocked unless I'm parked and all my personal info and history should be erased from the car when I get out.
I sure hope Tesla gets ahead of this curve, ASAP.�
May 26, 2015
markb1 I agree. I particularly want CarPlay.�
May 26, 2015
Bill D The Hyundai Sonata with Android Auto will be available this week. The Wall Street Journal posted a very favorable article about it online today, which should be in the hard copy WSJ tomorrow. I can't post a link because it is behind a pay-wall.�
May 26, 2015
Twiglett carplay etc are great for the standard mini displays in most cars but a complete waste of that big display in the Tesla.
It would only work if it only took over half of the display and I can't see that happening.
So you would end with a great phone experience but zero car features.�
May 26, 2015
GaryREM @Twiglett interesting speculation... but I remember all the discussions, with compelling arguments, on why we would never be able to get an update to improve the way the backup camera worked and how it could never have dynamic guidelines :wink:. I do think there are some serious challenges, and wouldn't count on seeing this... but...�
May 26, 2015
ra-san Half the display as an option similar to the other apps, and expandable to full screen just as the others, seems pretty much perfect to me. Look at the screens for CarPlay and it looks like exactly the form factor that it's designed for. And the multitouch display would work a lot better than the non multitouch screens on many other vehicles.
I'm fine with other people not using it if it doesn't appeal to them, but I think it'd be great and one of the best things they could do for the display.�
May 27, 2015
Twiglett thats the point - Tesla has the half display features with two sections because its controlling all of the display and all of the features.
Carplay and Android Auto takes over the whole display - thats the point of what it does.
Its not designed to share screen real estate.
Its like running a Windows computer and running a different OS on part of the screen.
It can be done with products like VMWare etc, but its a huge development hurdle and Tesla don't use Windows for the console (thankfully)�
May 27, 2015
AustrianMax I don't really care how it does it, but I'd love to get Waze, Escort Live, Google Music, Google Maps, etc. to work on the 17" Tesla display. I don't see a reason why I have to clip my phone to a vent to use these apps, right next to a giant 17" screen.�
May 27, 2015
Twiglett Because one is a car and the other is a phone?
The phone is designed to allow anyone to create an application for that phone - and designed to be obsolete in four years.
The car on the other hand has to run the car systems and is not designed for external apps to run on it.
Sure the car has much more advanced electronics than most, but it is still light years apart from a general purpose computer.
This is more of a "I want MY applications, not the ones you made"
But the problem is when we get "my" applications from my phone now we lose the supercharger based navigation, because thats a Tesla system. We lose all the Tesla integrated features because they are not built into <insert system here>�
May 27, 2015
Gizmotoy Agreed, and Tesla is aware. If you contact them about it (and you should), you'll get the standard "Thanks, we're looking into it." It's pretty clear the layout of the center console is absolutely ideal for Android Auto/CarPlay integration, and I think we'll get it eventually. Notably, Tesla hasn't spent any time giving us even the most basic smartphone integration. That seems like an indication they want to do it right, rather than quickly, but are resource-starved as usual.
But that's not the point of what it does. I'm admittedly not as familiar with Android Auto, but CarPlay does not have to take over the whole display and I'd be extremely surprised if Android Auto did, either. Automakers (see Volvo's XC90, for example) have shown their large-touchscreen interfaces with CarPlay in windows while the vehicle's stock interface remains intact around it. This is an anticipated and supported use case.
Here is Volvo's Sensus CarPlay integration. The only part that's Carplay is that portion above the climate controls (look familiar?) and below the Navigation/Media/Status window.
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May 27, 2015
ra-san Why do you think it'd have to take over the whole display, just because that's the way it's been shown with smaller display systems? Even on those systems there typically are buttons (though maybe all so far have been hardware buttons) to switch back to the other non-CarPlay functions.
I really expect that if implemented on the Tesla display, it'd just be another app you could select and have occupy a half size window or a full size window just as with the current apps, and regardless still leaving the rest of the non-app client area alone.
Perhaps you are a CarPlay implementer and know the interface it expects. I'm not, but based on the reading I'd done of it, I expected it wanted a client area which it would own the display of, and defines the IO capabilities it expects and can handle, but otherwise makes no demands or assumptions about what happens outside of its given display.
Edit: lol, meanwhile a better post, with pictures even, got posted on the same point. Thanks. I think there are a lot of misunderstandings out there about these features and people are afraid it'll mean tesla can't still have a tesla interface and functionality, but that isn't true. It's sort of true that it would compete with resources, but could also be a lever to free up resources to focus on core and tesla specific functionality too. I think the later is more important.�
May 27, 2015
Twiglett not an CarPlay implementor, but a tech implementor who is constantly being burned by "why can't your product do 'x' - it should be able to"
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May 27, 2015
Speedbird Another vote for Android Auto!
I'd love a CarPlay or Android Auto interface. Ideally the android one, as I personally like the speed at which Google iterates and improves their big data offerings.
I would hope that it is possible with the epic tesla screen and hardware, and I think it would be a fantastic idea for tesla to implement as it would mean they would not need to focus on apps that Google and Apple already do better.
I find myself using Google maps and nab on my phone for example, as it's better than that native to the tesla.�
May 28, 2015
cwerdna They're doing BOTH on the same head unit. They showed it at CES in January 2015.
Hyundai Expects Apple CarPlay, Android Auto Available by First Quarters End
I also saw Parrots new dashboard wants to turn your old clunker into a smartcar | The Verge (also supports both) when I was there.�
May 28, 2015
Kbra Given Tesla's apparent Apple favoritism we can expect CarPlay well before Android Auto IMO. It's very unfortunate cause... well I love Android <3
Even the Android Tesla app is still listed as "Beta"... WTF?�
May 28, 2015
wayner Has anyone done a Tesla owners survey of what phone OS that they use? I know Android has a larger market share in total, but I believe that Apple has does better at the high end and people with ~$100k cars probably have higher end phones.�
May 28, 2015
Gizmotoy Well, in that case, it's fortunate it's already been demonstrated it can work windowed in exactly the manner described as shown in a car shipping now:
IHS Auto Reviews: Apple CarPlay in the 2015 Volvo XC90 - YouTube
There was an informal poll here awhile back, and it did lean towards iPhone. However, the most recent poll on the subject showed a slight lean towards Android. It's essentially a 50/50 split:
2015 Poll for all owners - Android or iPhone?�
May 28, 2015
Twiglett thanks for link, that is really interesting and much more encouraging�
May 28, 2015
Bill D Just saw this: Chevrolet Rolls Out Android Auto, Apple CarPlay | News | Digital Trends
I hope Tesla is not the last one to the party - But if they are, I hope they trump the others with a superior implementation.
I don't see any reason an excellent split screen implementation can't be added by Tesla.�
May 28, 2015
trils0n I'd can see Android Auto and CarPlay as apps at the top of the screen, press and they open in half screen just like the current apps in the car.�
Jun 9, 2015
wayner Apple announced more improvements for CarPlay yesterday so it makes it even more desirable. Come on Tesla - give us CarPlay in our vehicles before we start falling behind. I love my car but would like more options for music (like Spotify) and Nav (like Waze) which is easier to implement with CarPlay.�
Jun 9, 2015
lagann First off, if they're going to put them in the car then it needs to have an option for both. Us Android users are already upset at being so far behind on the app, if they just put in CarPlay a lot of owners will be fuming. I can definitely see why they haven't made a decision since this is such a delicate matter. The next issue is making it fit in right with the current UI. Also, I'm sure it'd be pretty difficult to get them to run alongside everything else. They'd have to do something like run a VM for it, which is pretty complicated. Personally, I'd just like to see them open up an API so that these apps can come to the car and properly integrate with it.�
Jun 9, 2015
wayner Just buy an iPhone - what's the big deal? (I'm kidding)
But how many people will develop for the Tesla when the entire global market is so small? The Tesla screen is pretty great but I am not that happy that a $20,000 Hyundai will soon have better tech than my $150,000 Model S.
And others have developed systems will work with both Android and CarPlay.�
Jun 9, 2015
Cyclone Personally, I wouldn't see anything done under the 6.2 UI. It would wait for the 7.0 UI at least. But then, I image they can multi-purpose the Phone app. There could be a setting in Controls >> Settings >> Apps >> Phone >> Invoke CarPlay/Android Auto, and if selected, going to the Phone "app" loads up CarPlay or Android Auto into the Phone "window". Surely Tesla can determine if CarPlay or Android Auto is available over the Bluetooth connection.
I also feel that Tesla was NOT going to implement either until it could be done over Bluetooth since they have implicitly said they do not support direct wire phone connections to the car's systems.�
Jun 9, 2015
markb1 I don't think so. CarPlay in particular, and probably Android Auto, as well, are designed to run alongside everything else. CarPlay is something like VNC. The apps still run on the phone, so no VM is necessary.�
Jun 9, 2015
Twiglett my airy hand waving speculation is that as all three (Tesla, Carplay & Android) all have the same DNA in linux, java etc that it is very likely to be a x-window type connection.
So the functionality would definitely not be reliant on the head unit.
That is why the incumbent manufacturers like it - it can reduce the cost of the head unit for them.�
Jun 9, 2015
AmpedRealtor As witnessed at tonight's shareholder meeting, Elon Musk uses an iPhone. Wouldn't you all agree that he's a pretty bright and intelligent guy? If there were a better product out there, don't you think he would be using it? :tongue:�
Jun 9, 2015
Sigma4Life Tesla is a software company, unlike any of the other auto manufacturers. As a result they don't need to integrate car play or android. It's one of the unique advantages they have over their competition. Just give Tesla a little time. I suspect version 7.0 will match or exceed car play in every meaningful way, minus the unlimited apps aspect.
With all of the autopilot features coming the car will need specialized UI with Tesla controlled navigation to ensure the autopilot functions correctly. There's no way they can rely on Google or Apple to provide the unique navigation data they need for autopilot to function properly.�
Jun 9, 2015
markb1 What does autopilot have to do with it? CarPlay is just like one app to the car's infotainment system. It wouldn't affect autopilot one bit.�
Jun 9, 2015
Sigma4Life There were comments about using other map alternatives on the 17" screen. I have no idea how autopilot will work, but based on the concept videos posted on Youtube, I suspect that Tesla will want to own every inch of the screen to provide data they think is important over giving that up to a 3rd party that they have no control over. The car's capabilities will be deeply integrated into the new UI, and not just buried in the settings screens as it is now.
Previously Elon said something about the current UI not representing what the car is capable of very well, so it needs an overhaul. I don't see how adding a 3rd party fixes that issue. I'm simply suggesting that we see what Tesla has up their sleeve before insisting on Car Play or Android in the car.�
Jun 10, 2015
bob_p Tesla can either implement mobile device integration themselves or they can find a way to integrate 3rd party (CarPlay or AndroidAuto) products into the onboard software.
In the long run, it may be better for Tesla to focus on 3rd party software integration - which, in the long run, should require fewer Tesla software resources to support and evolve - than trying to stay competitive with their own mobile device integration.
Even before CarPlay and AndroidAuto are widely available, the Model S is already behind the integration offered in similarly and lower priced cars.
While the new calendar app is nice - higher priority should have been more safety-related features - such as hands free text messaging, something that's already available in other cars - even without CarPlay and AndroidAuto.
Hopefully V7 will show more integration - though if Tesla doesn't do something soon, they risk getting very far behind the other car manufacturers - and despite the large touchscreen display, the onboard software could be viewed as increasingly limited.�
Jun 10, 2015
wayner Tesla may be a software company but they don't have the resources to develop all of these apps by themselves - that's kind of like an iPhone before 3rd party apps were allowed. So they should open it up to others - but if it is a proprietary platform there will unlikely be that much development given the limited market. So we are much better off with a platform like CarPlay or Android Auto where phone apps can be adapted by the car with very little effort.
Either that or the Model S should start running iOS natively.�
Jun 10, 2015
GaryREM Developers have a market of over 1 billion smartphone users. There are less than 100,000 potential customers for Tesla 'apps'.
Allowing apps on Tesla's makes questionable sense. Plus giving app developers access to actual car functions is risky for Tesla. At best I can see them partnering with a couple of select companies to deliver their products as they have with Navigon and Slacker.
CarPlay and Android Auto would address so many issues related to entertainment and messaging/mail integration and voice control. The Tesla apps could easily be extended to allow access to car functions using CarPlay and Android Auto under Tesla's control such as HVAC, lighting, and navigation while still allowing them the freedom to enhance those systems to meeting there smart routing goals.�
Jul 24, 2015
liuping Several car makers now support (or have annouce support) for both Carplay AND Android Auto at the same time.
Honda Debuts 2016 Accord With CarPlay and Android Auto | Re/code
Car makers will offer Android Auto alongside CarPlay later this year | 9to5Mac
Chevrolet Bringing CarPlay and Android Auto to 14 New 2016 Models Later This Year - Mac Rumors
Come on Tesla, you can do better the the likes of Hyundai, GM and Honda.�
Jul 29, 2015
cwerdna First Volkswagen Cars With CarPlay Support Arriving at Dealerships - Mac Rumors
"Volkswagen today announced that its first 2016 cars with CarPlay support are arriving at dealerships this week, equipped with the company's next-generation CarPlay-enabled MIB-II infotainment system.
In addition to supporting CarPlay, the MIB-II system also includes support for Android Auto..."�
Jul 30, 2015
travwill
So having tried CarPlay on an aftermarket unit, fully featured though, on a family member's car - it isn't all that great. It is basically everything you have now with bluetooth, but just shows items on the screen more. For the most part, Siri just responds like normal as if you were pushing button in your Tesla/other cars, maps shows the map on screen, but Apple Maps is pretty bad compared to Google, wrong POIs still, less detail, bad traffic display/estimation, etc. Other apps are fine for music but Tesla can match that as well as other apps if needed, but for apps outside audio entertainment its usually something you do off the road on phone, passenger does, etc. Don't need that.
In short, I don't like CarPlay much as all. I don't want something undependable (Maps) in my car permanently yet. And I'm a big Apple fan (grin).�
Jul 30, 2015
steph280 It's not about what is Carplay capable currently, but rather opening a window for access to potential kill apps on iOS in the future.�
Jul 30, 2015
liuping That would be great, but Tesla has shown absolutely no interest in improving the lackluster media center.
After two years:
- Still no support for USB music playback from phones (this is a basic feature available on even entry level cars these days)
- No support to Pandora, Spotify, Apple Music, Google Play, Amazon Prime Music and others
- A terrible interface to use while driving, with sub menus to get to favorites, etc. (favorites should be easy buttons on the main audio page, or selectable by voice, or at least by steering wheel)
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Jul 30, 2015
Twiglett This is a really important part of both Carplay & Android Auto. Once the basic integration capability is built into the head unit you get all the phone improvements as soon as they happen and you have the choice of which bit you want
Not that Tesla are particularly slow about updating the car, you can see why its so attractive for all those other laggards that don't update anything without a large fee and a dealer visit.�
Jul 30, 2015
lagann But to get to favorites you just press the heart button on the top left of the audio page.�
Aug 3, 2015
rlang59 Which you have to take your eyes off the road to do. Then you have to take your eyes off the road again to scroll though a list.
What I believe liuping was getting at is that they should just be listed on the main media screen (which has a lot of wasted space) so you don't have to do into a sub menu.�
Aug 3, 2015
gizmoboy Yeah, as much as I like iOS and am interested in CarPlay, I see why it doesn't make sense in a Tesla.
But the flip side there is they need to refresh that multimedia "app" a bit... perhaps in 7.0, it's better.�
Aug 3, 2015
liuping That "little" heart button is not easy to press without looking. Not to mention it's right next to another little heart icons that toggles a favorite on/off.
Even after looking, finding and and pressing it, you are presented with a scrolling list that you cannot change the order of, so you can't even put your favorite favorites on the fist page of the list. Even if you delete all the favorites and adding them back in in order, they are separated by type, FM radio stations are always on top, followed by any Tune-In favorites, then Slacker favorites.
Favorites should be a row (or grid) of decent sized, easy to read buttons, presented on the main audio page, that you can rearrange regardless of source type. The few looks the better. The #1 rule for a automobile touch screen UI: "Scrolling should never be required for anything you select while driving".
Also, you should be able to scroll through (or at lease "go to next") favorites from the steering wheel controls.
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I think it makes great sense in a Tesla. With our large screen, Carplay can have it's own window, and we can still have more than 1/2 the screen for Tesla native Apps�
Aug 3, 2015
gizmoboy That would be true if these "apps" in the Tesla control system are truly independent apps and not part of one large program. I can't speak to that.�
Aug 3, 2015
markwj Exactly. This makes good sense as a 'My Phone' Tesla app.�
Aug 3, 2015
tkizzy A couple thoughts. +9999999 on integrating Carplay (and/maybe Android auto). It should just be totally modular, an icon along with others. You could use google or Apple maps on it, and waze when they make a carplay app. you could hide it, fullscreen it, move it just like any other integrated app. Tesla could only give it access to things the API currently has, or maybe even just read only aspects of it. In any case, given the choice between creating their own proprietary app platform or integrating with an existing app platform.
Given the high rate of malware on Android, I wonder whether Android auto is any different? In either case, if only trivial access to read only data is provided it might not be an issue.�
Aug 3, 2015
gjunky Not sure where you got this from and it looks like you are an iOS user but I have been running Android from the very first release and never had a single piece of malware. Granted, the apple app store is policed stricter than the Google play store but this is hardly an OS issue. None of this had anything to do with the integration into the Tesla media center.�
Aug 4, 2015
lagann ...high rate of malware? Seriously? No one gets malware. You pretty much have to enable "install from other sources" which lets you install apps outside of the play store, disable the Google check for outside APK's, then download them, and install them. The only people saying there's a "high rate" are the antivirus companies because they want as many people using their stuff as possible.�
Aug 4, 2015
markb1 Oh, let's not have and Android vs. iOS argument. Tesla isn't supporting either, and I hope they support both. Malware should be irrelevant, because the apps run on the phone, not on the car's computer.�
Aug 4, 2015
gizmoboy If CarPlay needs to be coded by hand for each auto manufacturer to fit into its OS, it'll never happen. Given that Tesla's system is all on Linux (it seems), I would guess no chance of Apple writing a custom linux version of CarPlay just for them.
For other manufacturers, I assume it's a stand-alone ROM that is integrated into the AV system somehow. Perhaps this could work for Tesla too, but it seems less likely to me.�
Aug 13, 2015
Twiglett I don't think it works that way. It doesn't run the code of the app, just the display.�
Aug 13, 2015
Stoneymonster Indeed, it is a variant of airplay, the phone renders the UI and the car simply displays it and conveys touch events back to the phone. Further, Tim Cook has stated that he'd love to see Tesla implement it. The only hurdle is Tesla willingness to play ball and devote (scarce) resources.�
Aug 14, 2015
AC123 .. knowing Apple, there is probably also some sort of insane royalty payment built in.
Yes I'd like to see carplay too. The current voice controls suck. And it would be nice to have real apps, such as Waze etc on that beautiful 17" display.
Browser waze isn't the real thing!�
Aug 14, 2015
jpcarreiro I for one would also like to see Android Auto ( and I guess CarPlay) on the Tesla. But if people want it mostly for Waze you need to be aware that both systems limit what 3rd party developers can do. You'd get the built in navigation on OSes (and for me Google maps is much better than the tesla navigation -- but then , you couldn't probably get it on the dashboard, just on the 17") and the communication stuff ( messages, phone calls)
On Android Auto any developer can do audio apps and messaging, but on CarPlay you can only do audio and you must "ask permission" from Apple.
I guess it would move the "We want Waze now!" threads from the Tesla forums to the Google, Apple and Waze forums :tongue:�
Aug 14, 2015
wayner It isn't just Waze, although that would be great, having flexibility in music services would be good. I believe the with Android Auto and CarPlay you can use Spotify or a bunch of other audio streaming services through the car's UI rather than having to use the phone UI.�
Aug 14, 2015
AC123 Yes it isn't just waze. Lots of other integration possibilities.�
Aug 14, 2015
Stoneymonster Eh, I dunno about that. Apple is interested in selling phones, this sells phones. Phillips has an carplay head unit for a few hundred bucks, so the license can't be that onerous.�
Aug 14, 2015
markb1 Waze support or not, at least CarPlay has an SDK, which is more than we can say for Tesla. So CarPlay would be a big step forward for Tesla.
Frankly, Tesla should be embarrassed. All this talk of being the most technologically advanced car, and adding features over the air, but they are behind just about everybody else when it comes to CarPlay.�
Aug 14, 2015
Sigma4Life Sorry, but having CarPlay is not the barometer for determining what's technologically advanced.�
Aug 14, 2015
AC123 How about voice recognition?
Autopilot? Self parking?�
Aug 14, 2015
markb1 That's not what I was saying, at all.�
Aug 14, 2015
Sigma4Life My bad then. I agree that options are good and so CarPlay would be welcome. Personally though I'm more curious about what Tesla is doing to be different from other auto makers instead of following their lead.
If Tesla doesn't intend to add more meaningful apps to the car then by all means please add CarPlay like yesterday.�
Aug 15, 2015
gizmoboy The code for CarPlay is what I was referring to, not running iOS apps in the head unit.�
Aug 15, 2015
511keV Yes, CarPlay and the Google equivalent are needed and should be high priority for integation with the rumored 17 inch display UI update.
Not having CarPlay is one of the few things that hinders my full appreciation for my MS. In particular, no CarPlay in my MS means having to manually select my podcasts on the iPhone. Also, where does Tesla's software pick up the art work it displays? I have some shall we say "curious" art work displayed for most of the podcasts I listen to. Oh, I also don't like my call history being pulled from the iPhone by the current Tesla software.�
Aug 18, 2015
John Vig Today's The Wall Street Journal has a comparison of Apple Car Play with Android Auto.
Apple CarPlay Review: Siri's Finally on the Right Road - WSJ
According to this, "Despite being announced by Apple nearly two years ago, car makers are only finally rolling it out. Chevrolet will include it in 14 models in the coming months. Other car makers such as Hyundai, Honda and Volkswagen are doing the same....Many car makers are supporting both Android Auto and CarPlay in the same models....It�s all an effort to integrate the smartphone into every part of our lives."
My wife's 8 year old Toyota has a better radio (better reception) than my Tesla Model S does. Until the Tesla entertainment system is improved, it would sure be nice if Tesla integrated Car Play and Android Auto into the Model S.
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Sep 9, 2015
g211 I am attending the European Waze Meetup in London this Saturday; will try to ask if there is any progress.�
Sep 29, 2015
DriverOne Another vote for Carplay here, need it for navigation!�
Sep 29, 2015
mgboyes No way will CarPlay come to Tesla any time soon.
These guys won't even use someone else's satnav system. No way they ever use someone else's app infrastructure. They'll build it all themselves...... eventually.�
Sep 29, 2015
Stoneymonster Carplay isn't someone else's app infrastructure, it's a dumb window the phone presents a UI to and passes messages back. There are a ton of other manufacturers including Carplay and Android Auto. I think they'll be forced to eventually. Especially if the media and nav feature sets continue to lag behind: it's a good way to relieve pressure from their team.
And for the record, they DO use someone else's nav system.�
Dec 30, 2015
cab Any new word on whether Carplay or Android Auto will make it to the Model S...and more importantly, be RETROFITTABLE to the existing Model S? My fear here is that they will get it, but it will ultimately require new hardware. In theory it is "just" a projection of the phone's screen, but in reality, I see reports of lag, etc. and the hardware may very well make a difference here.
Now that we are seeing Carplay on competing cars and Android Auto will appear on several more by the end of Q1 2016, this would seem to be an area where "tech/phone addicted" consumers will clamor for. Sure, the early implementations are proving a bit buggy (for Carplay anyway - per my reading on the Volvo and Volt forums), but I can see this being the default standard VERY shortly.�
Dec 30, 2015
tomp Carplay please!!�
Jan 28, 2016
ModelSFL it is coming Tesla is moving away from an SDK and instead planning to allow app mirroring from iPhones to center consoles | 9to5Mac�
Jan 28, 2016
richardl007 Carplay please!! +1�
Jan 28, 2016
ModelSFL I am glad you were wrong about this�
Jan 28, 2016
Lump �As we have sort of thought about it more, the logic thing to do from an app standpoint is to maybe allow apps on your iPhone or Android to project onto the center display, as opposed to trying to create a new app ecosystem. So that is probably going to be our focus in the future to enable you to project apps from your phone to the center screen.�
I wii believe when I see it & it actually works.�
Jan 28, 2016
ModelSFL That's fair, all things Elon is subject to change�
Jan 28, 2016
CuriousG I've never used Android Auto or Apple CarPlay but my understanding is that it requires your phone to be plugged in through a cable. So even if that was the case, that would mean current Tesla owners are SOL.�
Jan 28, 2016
Vince Cobelo No the USB is connected.�
Jan 28, 2016
miamibeacher How do you figure?? There are two USB ports to connect to.�
Jan 28, 2016
CuriousG My bad. I was always under the impression that both implementations required proprietary cables. With the amount of time for them to even get an SDK out (never), this will hopefully fasttrack one or both implementations.�
Jan 28, 2016
markb1 Wireless CarPlay is supposed to be possible with iOS 9.�
Jan 29, 2016
ecarfan My understanding is that, for smartphones, those two USB ports only provide power. They do not allow you to play music on the smartphone through the car's speakers, for example.
Perhaps a future firmware update will change that.�
Jan 29, 2016
markb1 We do know these are actual USB ports for the center touchscreen computer, though. They are not just connected to power. (You can play music off a USB drive, and it was possible to connect a keyboard and mouse, at least in the past.)
So I'm pretty sure a software update is all that is necessary.�
Jan 29, 2016
Cosmacelf The USB ports are not just for power. You can indeed plug in a flash drive and play music off them. Even early model S had this capability.�
Jan 29, 2016
gregincal However for CarPlay there is an additional requirement:
"To maintain control of standards, Apple is requiring that head units contain an authentication chip signalling to iOS that they're MFi-certified."�
Jan 29, 2016
bridaus $$$$$$$$�
Jan 29, 2016
dsm363 Oh. So old cars will never get it then.�
Jan 29, 2016
MikeBur It is, though wifi-direct is required. I don't believe even the new wireless modules are capable of this, though would happily be wrong. Additionally, likely hardware certification for Apple control and licensing fee
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possible, though likely cost and labor prohibitive as it would require new hw�
Jan 29, 2016
CuriousG Ok, screw iOS! How 'bout some love for Android users for once?�
Jan 30, 2016
Cyberax Apple's authentication chip is not expensive. It basically involves a one-time large sum and smallish license fee.
Why do I know that? A couple of my friends tried to get a license for it for a DIY device. The price turned out to be prohibitive for a hobbyist, but for a large company it's nothing.
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How about: AndroidAuto - YouTube - soon to be accessible on the central console for jailbroken cars
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Android Auto can work over WiFi direct. I don't know yet if Tesla's WiFi module supports it, but retrofitting it shouldn't be expensive in any case.
There's also an option to use a full-blown AP mode and initiate AAuto over Bluetooth or NFC. But I haven't yet figured out how it works.�
Jan 30, 2016
dsm363 I'm sure the chip wouldn't be too expensive but if it requires replacing the entire MCU it would be.�
Jan 30, 2016
mikereidis I posted there, but I'm interested to know more about that persons' project. Any info ?
Yes, I've had AA over WifiDirect working for some time on my Android(R) Headunit app for AA (see XDA).
Last I looked AA does not work over Bluetooth, and BT does not have the bandwidth needed for audio and H.264 video at the same time anyway. Same with Apple CarPlay (which also works over Wifi with latest code, though VW was barred from demo-ing it at CES by Apple.)
NFC also does not have the bandwidth needed.
NFC IS used to trigger AA over WifiDirect. The HU has a passive tag that says "Android Auto(R)" and that triggers the phone running AA to connect to the HU.
I'd be happy to look into ways to get AA on Teslas if anyone had one to lend me for a few months.
Otherwise, I'll just keep working on the common 7-10" tablets my Headunit app is targetted at.�
Jan 30, 2016
Cyberax This code is 100% my personal code, written from scratch (well, apart from libraries of course). I'm considering open sourcing it once I have it running on my Tesla (or if it can help anybody else). And I should have been more specific - Bluetooth is not used as a transport, but as a trigger for a WiFi link just like NFC. The advantage is that it can work with the full Access Point mode (the head unit being the access point). I have no idea how it works, though.
Hmm, your name sounds familiar - look in your outbox for Aleksei Besogonov�
Jan 30, 2016
markb1 I don't claim to be any sort of expert on this, but the wikipedia page on Wi-Fi Direct says that only one side needs to be compliant. Not sure what's required of the other side. I recall that Tesla was considering rolling out tethering, at one point, so I'm pretty sure every Model S has the hardware to act as an access point. Is that enough to support CarPlay and Android Auto wirelessly? I have no idea.�
Feb 1, 2016
mikereidis Oh, OK.
As I posted there, AFAIK, I'm the only one who's publicly released info/source on AA protocol. It seems a shame to work independently when we might collaborate instead. Email me if interested.
I didn't see BT as an alternative to NFC when I last looked at the code, but that was back around June. Makes some sense considering that there are devices that don't have NFC. Only BT connection I was aware of was for audio and phone calls.
I came here looking to see if I should pre-order a Model 3 in March and got sucked into the infotainment discussion. So I don't know much about Tesla that I didn't read over a few hours this weekend.
Is there discussion about rooting the Tesla ? I've only seen the Ethernet thread and I'm also seeing that Tesla isn't too happy with "hacking". I can't imagine many people would want to root.
I thought about pumping the video from some HW into the browser, but I see video is banned there. Maybe via rear view camera video ?
Starting to think it'd be more productive to convince Tesla to support Apple CarPlay and Android Auto officially. $100k technology car without these in 2016 ?? !!
I can see that Tesla might not want to partner with these "world's most valuable companies" that want to create their own electric self driving cars. I'd mention poaching engineers but EM says they're the fired ones.
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Android has been supporting WifiDirect since Android 4.0 in late 2011, and some devices had it earlier. So I think most common Wifi chips have supported it since at least 2011, though possibly needing some software to use it.�
Feb 1, 2016
CuriousG If you haven't seen it then, you may want to read into the hacking thread. I don't think he (wk057) discusses specifically how, but he's certainly done it.
Let the hacking begin... (Model S parts on the bench)�
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