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Saleen announces their version of a Model S part 1

  • Jan 30, 2014
    AmpedUP
  • Jan 30, 2014
    gg_got_a_tesla
    Sweet!!
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    Len
  • Jan 30, 2014
    AmpedUP
    It will be interesting to see if they dare to mess with the battery pack at all !
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    JakeP
    Pictures or it isn't happening, Saleen!
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    rdrcrmatt
    agreed! I love what Saleen does with Mustangs, I can't wait to see what they do with a Model S.
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    lorih
    When I adopted my cat, she was named Saleen, and I kept it because it was cool. My cat just got cooler.
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    efusco
    So, I don't know about this sort of thing. Do they just throw new rims and body panels on the car to make it look different?
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    lolachampcar
    Me thinks Steve is in way over his head.

    It should be a neat body kit, uprated interior and some cool wheels/tires. He may even go back to Bilstein and get some dampers done up although that will take a bit of a commitment on his part.
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    AnOutsider
    Manages to say a lot without actually saying anything at all
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    qwk
    Saleen used to make some decent cars. Now it appears to just be body kits and cosmetic fluff. There is no way Tesla is going to let them in on drivetrain secrets to make more power.
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    Gizmotoy
    Seems like good news. Aftermarket interest is a plus.

    I keep wondering if someone will graft the P85 inverter into an S85. Seems like a potential low-hanging fruit for an aftermarket performance upgrade, with an actual target market. If the ordering forum is any indication, there's a lot of S85 owners who regret not getting a P85.

    Still, you'd need deep pockets to even attempt it, including an S85 and a P85 you're willing to tinker with. And who knows if the car will recognize the upgraded part, or if the software will lock it out.

    Still, it'd be really fun to experiment with. I'm fascinated with the idea of opening an EV performance shop.
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    lolachampcar
    Giz,

    Let me know when you do and I'll hop on board for some CAN bus reversing of the chassis to inverter discussions :)
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    Luder94
    I'm not looking forward to this....this will be a gaudy atrocity. American tuners' visions of aesthetic modification is unappealing (save for APR widebody on an S2000). They should stick with big bodied/bloated muscle cars....not get into a car, that although is big, pulls it off with lean European proportions.

    I'd much rather a tuner like Liberty Walk, Fabulous, Novitec Rosso, or Hamann come with their vision and versions of a tuned Model S. They know how to make leaner looking cars look great.
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    bareyb
    I'm guessing it will be mostly cosmetic with perhaps some suspension improvements. Still, it's a good thing for Tesla I think. I like the idea of 3rd parties getting involved. As Elon would say, the more the merrier. It's all good press versus the "other kind" we've been getting. I'm happy to hear it.
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    Discoducky
    Saleen employees lots of electrical, mechanical and powertrain engineers so I would expect more than cosmetic and suspension changes.
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    JRP3
    If they can reprogram the inverter they could probably boost the power going to the motor while sacrificing battery longevity, assuming the motor/inverter can handle more power than the pack can deliver. They could also replace the pack with a high C rate chemistry, sacrifice range, and lighten the vehicle while also increasing power. They could also lower the gearing of the gear reduction to improve 0-60 times while giving up some at the top end.
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    Doug_G
    A friend of mine has a Saleen Mustang. He tried to beat my Model S at the drag strip last year. Gave up after four attempts!
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    JRP3
    Another thought, they could maybe make a two speed gear reduction which could provide better low end and better top speed.
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    TEG
    Saleen supercharger upgrade... charge at 140kW !

    Oh sorry! Saleen does the old kind of supercharging...
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    Nikoli
    Good grief! So they're going to add ground effects to make it less aerodynamic and some vinyl.
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    TEverything
    Consider my mind blown!!!! Never would have expected this from Saleen.
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    stopcrazypp
    I'm going to put my bet down for body kit/wheels and maybe suspension/brakes. I'm not expecting changes to the drive-train (except maybe a change to the final drive). Would be surprised if they do.
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    lolachampcar
    GAWD I hope they do not touch those brakes...
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    Luder94
    Don't worry, they'll probably powedercoat OEM brakes to a "Saleen Signature" color (my guess is orange or yellow) and then slap a heat resistant "Saleen" sticker on them....and then change out the pads with some 'race' pads alongside with slotted and drilled rotors that will warp after half a session.

    Other than that, same OEM brakes

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    Forgot to mention that the car will be badged liberally with Saleen stickers, emblems, and stitching on the exterior and interior.
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    Zextraterrestrial
    ...and added engine noise?
    I think I'd like a Dinan S over a Saleen S. just doesn't seem right. Tesla seems more Germanic in it's abilities imo

    but if they add o- $hit handles they may be onto something
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  • Jan 30, 2014
    SCW-Greg
    Oh come'on...

    Elon will work with them. He'd love nothing more than to see a Model S with some mid range 3 second performance from 0-60, let alone some screaming quarter miles. Elon is competitive.

    I say it's almost all on the table...

    Two or three speed gear box
    Beefed up P motor
    Tweaked acceleration curve
    AWD
    Battery likely won't be touched, but maybe the ace up Tesla's secret sleeve - same pack weight but 100kW+ (I.e. for the Model X)?

    I wouldn't be surprised if one or more of these will be deployed.

    Just sayin. ;)
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  • Jan 31, 2014
    bareyb
    Okay. I think Elon working with them is probably the ONLY way they are going to mess with the drive train. It's just not in their wheelhouse. They know zip about Electric Motors. I wouldn't be surprised if the Saleen doesn't have all wheel drive. That would be a good way to boost performance without having to reinvent the wheel too much.
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  • Jan 31, 2014
    WarpedOne
    I think we can now understand why Tesla is not working on AWD Model S just yet.
    Who can stop me from buying and marrying one MSP and spare MX front motor+PEM? Add a bit of engineering salt and whooohaaaa!
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  • Jan 31, 2014
    yobigd20
    The question I have is that are they going to do this "aftermarket" and retrofit to our existing cars or do they get them straight from the factory and aftermarkey retrofit and sell new OR are they in a partnership with tesla that They receive MOST of the car (let's says without an inverter and gearbox or something) and they'll create their own more powerful inverter and multi-gear box?
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  • Jan 31, 2014
    WarpedOne
    Let's make a list of what's possible for them to do from easy to hard to next to impossible:
    - stickers
    - aero-kit
    - brake/suspension/tires upgrade
    - improved cooling of drive-train components
    - higher peak battery power output
    - bigger battery (remove 3400, insert 4Ah cells :)
    - stronger motor/PEM
    - transplant FWD from MX
    - multispeed gearbox with electronic/automatic actuation
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  • Jan 31, 2014
    jcaspar
    Don't forget racing seats (or at least some with side support). I would welcome that as well as a sighter suspension.
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  • Jan 31, 2014
    SCW-Greg
    Stickers... Love it. ;)

    But battery is the item that is the most expensive, and most proprietary, and therefore least likely to be tampered with, or even allowed by Tesla to tamper with... lest Tesla has a new/improved pack standing by.

    And I'd add changed screen graphics, thinking at least boot up logo.
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  • Jan 31, 2014
    RobStark
    Saleen Automotive Announces Plans to Produce Saleen Tesla Model S Electric Sports Car

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/saleen-automotive-announces-plans-to-produce-saleen-tesla-model-s-electric-sports-car-2014-01-30?reflink=MW_news_stmp

    Like Mercedes Benz had AMG and has Brabus and BMW has Alpina and Racing Dynamics, Saleen will attempt to be the preeminent tuner for Tesla.

    Generally, OEMs don't give tuners support at the beginning. Which means any modifications to the drivetrain voids warranties. Tuners like Saleen usually give their modified cars their own warranties.

    Sometimes, after a while, tuner cars are sold at a select few dealerships of the parent OEM.

    Mercedes Benz ended up buying AMG and making it a high performance group inside MB.

    It will be interesting to see if Saleen becomes a successful Tesla tuner making ultra high performance versions of Model S, Model X, Model E, and any future Tesla cars which allows Tesla to reap the accolades of beating MB AMG and BMW M Series cars in the enthusiast magazines but allows Tesla to concentrate on the more mundane daily drivers for the rest of us.
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  • Jan 31, 2014
    tomas
    Awesome! Look forward to see what they do. I suspect that they will NOT mess with the drivetrain, but do all they can via suspension, wheels, tires, aero body parts, probably add some more race-like seats and some nastier interior looks.
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  • Jan 31, 2014
    Musterion
  • Jan 31, 2014
    RobStark
    Making only non-functional alterations are rather pointless. Anybody can do those.

    Saleen said "Our engineers will also prepare a spec sheet which will detail some of the enhancements and innovations we intend to add to the Saleen Tesla Model S. "

    Notice they did not say "Our designers". This so does not belong in interiors and exteriors. They also said this is the first. Implying not only Model S.

    A Saleen Mustang has at least suspension components on top Saleen spec wheels, spoilers, and wings and such. They sell those things a la carte for Mustang owners but it is not a "Saleen Mustang."
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  • Jan 31, 2014
    AMPd
  • Jan 31, 2014
    lorih
  • Jan 31, 2014
    lorih
    There is actually now three threads to combine. This one, the one listed below by Musterion, and the one I've listed below

    Saleen Tesla Model S!!
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  • Jan 31, 2014
    stopcrazypp
    Good suggestion. The seats have been one of the biggest complaints about the Tesla in terms of performance.
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  • Jan 31, 2014
    Tommy
    The Achilles heel of the MS is its loss of power when pushed hard on the race track; enough loss of power to cripple the MS after only one or two laps on the track. The other specs of the MS make it a competitive race track car and any tinkering would only make the MS that more compelling. I think quite a few folks would be lining up to buy the MS if Saleen just figured out how to eliminate the MS power loss when pushed hard. Any cosmetic changes and other changes Saleen made would just be icing on the cake.
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  • Jan 31, 2014
    GDH
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  • Jan 31, 2014
    brianman
    I must admit, if they solved it I might let Saleen touch my Sig.
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  • Jan 31, 2014
    richkae
    I bet that Saleen can make huge improvements in the cooling for trackability. That just isn't a priority for a street car and Tesla struck the right balance for a street car but not for a track car.

    Other things they could do besides the suspension/brakes/tires that would make it a much better track car:
    - Put in fine/manual control of regen
    - Improve/Provide more options for traction/stability control
    - Improve the differential
    - Lighten the car with lots of carbon fiber, less glass
    - Ligthen the car by taking out extraneous things like the charging circuitry
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  • Feb 3, 2014
    Clprenz
    What I expect:
    200 Model S's a year
    Price: $175,000-$200,000
    what they Start with: Model S P85 with tech package = $98,500
    Improvments:
    Some Carbon fiber body panels (hood, etc parts, different side panels, different nose) (-100 lbs) = $8,000
    Different wheels/tires= $8,000
    Suspension upgrade (similar to P+ but much more race oriented and less road tuned) = $5,000
    New seats in car carbon fiber etc. (-50 lbs) = $4,000
    New spoiler (+10 lbs)
    Cooling system improvements (-50lbs) = $5,000
    More carbon fiber in chasis and in structure (-100lbs)= $9,000
    Interior lightening (-50lbs) = $1,000
    Total Saleen Package = $40,000
    Spec Improvements:
    3.8 0-60
    Weight: -340 lbs
    BHP: +30
    Torque: +45
    Performance seats & Body panel designs


    These are just goals, I hope Saleen can do at least this. The new nose should be interesting.
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  • Feb 4, 2014
    nrcooled
    I have to agree with others in this thread that are just excited to see aftermarket support of the Model S. I have never actually been a fan of Saleen due to their very...how to put this nicely..."old school" approach to tuning. With that said, I am hoping that they take a fresh approach to the Model S and not just slapping stickers, body-kit, and big wheels on the car and calling it improved.

    I am going to be really excited to see if they come with some performance upgrades to the party.

    If they support the S85 with upgrades they will have to
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  • Feb 4, 2014
    yobigd20
    maybe they'll stick a nitrous oxide engine in the frunk.
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  • Feb 4, 2014
    drees
    That's a good idea - could be used to keep the motor/batteries/inverter cool when on the track.
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  • Feb 4, 2014
    JRP3
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  • Feb 4, 2014
    mark
    I think they will find this to be much harder than with an ICE car. I spoke to Joost (former chief of Tesla service) at a Get Amped event in 2012 and he said that he had melted a bunch of drivetrains by removing the heat limiter. He indicated there were some small improvements to be made by risking more heat, but without a transmission to keep RPM down, it would be hard to solve.
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  • Feb 11, 2014
    Clprenz
    Saleen Automotive: A play betting on Tesla

    I did some research on SLNN, and yes it is correct if you look at the balance sheet. They have $13,000 in cash... that's all.
    But I crunched some numbers and this is the potential I see in Saleen
    Model S Saleen Sold750/ yr. (based in similar vehicle sales, aston martin rapide and similar vehicle sales)
    Cost of Model S Saleen$110,000 Model S, $40,000 parts and add-ons
    ASP$170,000
    Total Model S Revenue$127,500,000
    Total Model S Profit$15,000,000
    Other profit$1,600,000* modeled increase from Q3 2013
    Total CapEx$11,000,000* increase from Model S Workers and Equipment
    Total Profit$5,600,000
    EPS$.059
    P/E25
    Share Price$1.475 (Current: $.34)

    You can read more in my analysis on my blog post
    Saleen Automotive: Rising from the Rubble with a Tesla Model S, UPDATE on EVTown and 2014 | Restore the Freedom: The Future of America One Idea at a Time

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    Don't know why this was moved.... it relates to investors not the model S interior
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  • Feb 11, 2014
    mnx
    This is pretty exciting (unless it's mostly cosmetic).

    I too like others would like Saleen to improve the trackability of the car. I think most of this has been mentioned already but here are some hopes of mine anyway.

    Add another motor with a transmission to improve 0-60 1/4mile and top speed. Beef up cooling. Hopefully between the 2 that will solve power limiter at the track problem. Suspension upgrades for handling would be nice (esp. coming from the stock air setup on earlier VIN's). Tweaked TC and DSC modes.

    Some more supportive seats would be nice as well.

    My $0.02.
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  • Feb 11, 2014
    darthvdr
    I would be most concerned about the warranty.
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  • Feb 11, 2014
    JRP3
  • Feb 11, 2014
    palmer_md
    Seems like they should have kept this on the downLow until they at least built one prototype. Wonder why they are making these announcements so soon. Courting investors?
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  • Feb 11, 2014
    Doug_G
    I'm skeptical. Unless they can solve the drive train heat problem, they're not going to be able to make the Model S perform better on the track.
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  • Feb 11, 2014
    drees
    Drag strip maybe with a short boost of power under ideal conditions, but yeah, I agree, the race track is not likely to see significantly enhanced power levels without some significant engineering efforts.

    I am not convinced that any aerodynamic efforts will be worthwhile - they will only increase drag on the street and the car can't support high speeds long enough on the track to warrant aerodynamic changes that might increase grip worthwhile. The Model S is just darn hard to improve without large engineering efforts.

    Their other EV efforts do sound interesting, though...
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  • Feb 11, 2014
    JRP3
    I don't see why the stock cooling system could not be upgraded to dump more heat more effectively. The chillers I've mentioned previously would be an easy place to start.
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  • Feb 11, 2014
    tomas
    Reading between lines this says weight/body parts, suspension, aero, seats, etc. power "hard to do" means they can't unless tesla lets them and I don't see it for a company whose mission is reinventing transport at volume and constantly has to prove safety reliability. They can't afford for a 3rd party to mess it up. Headlines would not say saleen blew up, they would say tesla.
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  • Feb 18, 2014
    yobigd20
    Saleen Automotive Adds AC Propulsion to Design Team for New Saleen Electric Vehicle

    so it looks like they are going to make some improvements outside of just wheels and stickers...I don't know much about AC Propulsion but if the above is true (they provided important tech for the Roadster), perhaps they are going to be able to make a supercar after all out of the Tesla. In addition to making power improvements, I wonder if they can add AWD too while they are at it :)
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  • Feb 18, 2014
    JRP3
    Interesting. As far as I know ACP's products are inferior, (lower power to weight ratio, air cooled), to what Tesla is currently using.
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  • Feb 18, 2014
    qwk
    Funny you mention that, as 8 years ago they were the on cutting edge. They seem to have went downhill from there.
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  • Feb 18, 2014
    Zextraterrestrial
    I think ACP has a liquid cooled Pem/motor assembly that you can buy now? but pricey

    ..maybe not, says liq cooled 'under development'
    but they have do have a liq-cooled motor http://www.acpropulsion.com/datasheet/LCM-150.pdf
    ( I was looking into their stuff + other EV product and settled on an S instead:tongue:)
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  • Feb 18, 2014
    JRP3
    That "liquid cooled" motor looks like a CAD drawing at this point, and does not have the power of the Tesla Motor.
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  • Feb 18, 2014
    rcc
    I would think Saleen could handle making suspension changes that are even more aggressive than the P+ and doing some new more aggressive looking body parts.

    The cooling will be a challenge but I wonder if you could use the frunk space for a larger radiator and perhaps a separate compressor and heat-exchanger to really chill the coolant? That could be something A/C could help them with, I suspect.
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  • Feb 18, 2014
    efxjim
    The problem is getting heat out of the core (rotor) of the motor. One can fill the motor with oil or water to transfer the heat to the motor case (stater) but a lot of friction is created. A fluid passage can be drilled through the rotor and connected to rotating joints on the ends. This would be hard to seal long term at the 15k rotation speed. Large industrial motors use hydrogen at about 30 PSI to fill the space. Hydrogen is 7 to 10 times as effective as air is to transfer the heat away from the rotor. There are issues with containing the hydrogen however. Tesla + Hydrogen = don't want to go there. So providing additional cooling is not something that can just be slapped onto Tesla's motor.
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  • Feb 18, 2014
    Otmar
    I'll be watching what they do with interest.
    I'm no expert on handling, so I'll leave that to other to speculate, I do know a bit about making EV's fast.
    Tesla has optimized the car in many ways, if someone is willing to give up some of those optimizations then other benefits could be had.
    Assuming that the cost, warranty, range, efficiency, some safety and upgradeability are compromised, I could see a track car that increases performance quite a bit.:wink:

    Basic lightening comes first. Weight is such an important performance parameter. The front seats are low hanging fruit at 58 lbs (I only weighed the passenger seat so far) of course you lose the bolster air bags. I don't know about the 21's, but my 19" wheels weigh 58 lb each, I'm guessing racing wheels are much lighter. Maybe start with a high power Kokam lipo battery pack of half the weight (cuts range of course) and tie that to a 1000 HP inverter (I have not yet built one, but at some point someone will) and give it a test to see if the gears and driveshafts take the load. Motor cooling would be an issue. I wouldn't feel comfortable re-designing the motor, they've done such an amazing job of it. You could start by adding another motor in the front and then double up on the AC system and run it purely for motor cooling. It's still a lot of heat to be moved, but if the system was cold soaked and had some heat storing capacity the cooling may outlast the smaller battery capacity on the track. I could see some very hot laps at Laguna Seca. :smile:
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  • Feb 18, 2014
    rcc
    I suspect the winning solution for cooling isn't adding more - it's making the existing coolant colder so the same amount of coolant can draw more heat from the motor and PEM.

    But that's just a guess.
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  • Feb 19, 2014
    WarpedOne
    efxjim explained it but I guess it just doesn't get traction in people heads.
    You can freeze the stator and the rotor will still melt.
    It cools with heat radiation and through very thin (low density) air between it and stator.
    Pumping hydrogen into that thin space is one 'solution' the other is a rotor with hollow vias for liquid cooling inside it.

    It is easy to liquid cool the stator, it is a very tricky business to liquid cool the rotor. But sooner or later someone will do it.
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  • Feb 19, 2014
    Otmar
  • Feb 19, 2014
    WarpedOne
    I haven't seen a definitive confirmation and I think they would loudly brag about it if they had it.
    And also MS shouldn't/wouldn't ovearheat so fast if they had it.

    I guess someone will need to cut open the rotor and find out.
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  • Feb 19, 2014
    JRP3
    We don't know why the MS overheats, might be the battery pack, might be the inverter. Inverter components are probably more sensitive to heat than the motor components. Most motor and controller specs show the motor able to operate at significantly higher temps than the motor controller. Otmar could probably confirm. As to rotor cooling, Tesla does use a large, hollow shaft for the motor, which I've never seen on another motor, presumably to allow coolant to flow.

    http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11950&d=1353964543
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  • Feb 19, 2014
    Zextraterrestrial
    I am pretty sure that is the S motor design.
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  • Feb 21, 2014
    paco3791
  • Feb 21, 2014
    WarpedOne
    This is just plain wrong.
    ACP hardware was in some of the first prototypes.

    It wasn't good enough for production car.
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  • Apr 2, 2014
    hileyms
    Announcement yesterday that Saleen plans to show renderings of their version of Tesla S on April 12th.

    Saleen Automotive to preview their Tesla Model S based EV on April 12th

    According to Saleen Automotive CEO Steve Saleen, "Some of the mystery will soon be over. For those who have wondered what we can do to a car like the Tesla, our renderings will answer many of the questions in the media."
    That's a little vague but Saleen has previously said "I fully intend to produce one of the most compelling Tesla's to ever hit the roadway."
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  • Apr 13, 2014
    RobotGrease
    Here you go ladies and gentlemen, the official rending:

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  • Apr 13, 2014
    AmpedUP
    Ok, based on the rendering, what does the FRONT look like? 'Very curious to see if they have altered the nose cone.
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  • Apr 14, 2014
    hileyms
  • Apr 14, 2014
    AMPd
    Looks pretty cool!
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  • Apr 14, 2014
    nrcooled
    Gah...non-functional scoops in the hood! It's one of my pet peeves with car designs.
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  • Apr 14, 2014
    JRP3
    Obviously for the Frunk Forced Air Induction :rolleyes:
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  • Apr 14, 2014
    WarpedOne
    What scoops?
    Other than that rear spoiler, i find it cool.

    I'd love to se their ToDo.
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  • Apr 14, 2014
    doctorwho
    I like that they've removed the front 'grille', it looks much cleaner without one. The rest of it is too boy racer and if they are going to add on pointless bonnet air ducts they may as well stick on a huge 'exhaust pipe'
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  • Apr 14, 2014
    AMPd
    Those air ducts could be for the brakes. With such a heavy car the brakes are sure to heat up quite fast at the track.
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  • Apr 14, 2014
    ahaer
    Tesla should at least offer a front end that looks that good.
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  • Apr 14, 2014
    qwk
    That orange version looks surprisingly good. I wonder how one gets to the battery posts with no nose cone?
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  • Apr 14, 2014
    JRP3
    They could have done what Tesla should have done, put some remote terminals or a plug easily accessible in the frunk, or somewhere else easily accessible.
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  • Apr 14, 2014
    SwedishAdvocate
  • Apr 14, 2014
    AMPd
  • Apr 14, 2014
    gg_got_a_tesla
    Yeah, whither true bolsters?!
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  • Apr 14, 2014
    bareyb
    Did they say anything about the suspension and handling upgrades? To me this looks like nothing more than a body kit. Seems odd to put air scoops on a Frunk lol. I do like the front end, but I also like my nosecone. ;)
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  • Apr 14, 2014
    Ven Rala
    I like the no nosecone look
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  • Apr 14, 2014
    JerryNycom
    Rims are ugly...Too much like Mustang I guess...Front is nice....Side are nice...Rear is nice....So far nothing we cant do ourselves....
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  • Apr 15, 2014
    Shumdit

    Not horrible, but I think Steve might be assuming we all are like a typical Mustang customer. He seems to have applied the same basic styling "upgrades" he did to a mid-80's Mustang as well as every subsequent one to create this new look. I see the typical demographic of a Tesla owner being a different demographic. The yet unannounced performance increases better be out of this world if he wants to move many of them.
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  • Apr 15, 2014
    ToddRLockwood
    And if they do make actual drivetrain and/or firmware alterations, what happens the next time Tesla issues an over-the-air update?

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    I read recently that Tesla will be offering a front seat modification for those who want more bolster, and it will be possible to modify existing seats at the service centers. They're doing it by lowering the center part of the seat cushion.
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  • Apr 15, 2014
    Denarius
    Where did you read this? I've been trying to figure out my own solution for the seats.
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  • Apr 15, 2014
    dsm363
    It's on TMC somewhere but Elon mentioned this at one of the European stops recently.
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  • Apr 15, 2014
    SteveG3
    Renderings of Saleen Modified Model S

    I don't know if the nose cone has a functional advantage, but if it's simply about aesthetics, I think this modified front is a nice improvement. Maybe with time, production vehicles will change to something similar for the front of the car.

    It's More Than Cosmetic: Saleen Reveals a New Tesla Model S
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  • Apr 16, 2014
    Beckler
    I was actually just thinking yesterday what MS would look like without that nose cone thing...well there it is! Aesthetically, the big black nose cone is my least favorite aspect of the car. It's just ugly IMO. It looks like a standard grille (and hence front) from a distance which is presumably the intent but which makes no sense - why try to look like an old gasoline car? Go with clean and sleek where you can, I say. Btw maybe this thread is better in 'interior/exterior' forum?
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  • Apr 21, 2014
    BP_Tesl@
    I absolutely love the interior of this car! Has a true tuner look to it without being cheesy. I can't say I'm a big fan of the hood or wheels though :( The hood design just seems too "old school, lets throw some vents on it and make it look mean", almost as though they can' break away from their old school muscle car roots and progress their designs. But that interior is soooo sweet. ::thumbs up::
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  • Apr 21, 2014
    brianman
    Unless Todd is referring to a different (set of) announcements than I've heard, the front seat modifications have nothing to do with bolstering and everything to do with improving comfort by adjusting the spring/tension.

    In short, yes to affecting the center part of the cushion but no to directed effort into improving "driver position stability" while cornering.
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  • Apr 22, 2014
    JRP3
    Maybe if the center part is softer you'll sink down a bit more, which might have similar effect to increasing the side bolsters.
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  • Apr 22, 2014
    Chris TX
    Is it just me or does the front end look like Voldemort?
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  • Apr 23, 2014
    ElectricUnicorn
    I really like what they did with front end treatment. Eliminating the ICE style front grill makes it look better. I was skeptical when I first heard Saleen was going to mess with the S, but im impressed from an aesthetic standpoint.
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  • Jun 24, 2014
    Bulletproof
  • Jun 24, 2014
    AnOutsider
    looks like a stock black S with big saleen sticker. I'm guessing the changes are on the inside.

    *edit* this is from that teslarati fluff piece. nothing to see here
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  • Jun 24, 2014
    yobigd20
  • Jun 25, 2014
    jbruce
    Looks like they are at Buttonwillow. I don't care if its faster but if Saleen can make the Model S work for 15-20min track session without going into limp mode it will be worth it. The limp mode at the track on a $100k+ high performance sedan is ridiculous.
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  • Jun 25, 2014
    Denarius
    This.
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  • Jun 25, 2014
    brianman
    + 1
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  • Jun 26, 2014
    WarpedOne
    Teslarati is being very 'optimistic':

    I just don't see how one can call a car capable of few 'full-power' laps being track-ready. I'm also dying to see what they will change on the car. This will also reveal the 'weakspots' or compromises in design
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  • Aug 13, 2014
    yobigd20
  • Aug 13, 2014
    hileyms
  • Aug 13, 2014
    ecarfan
    I wonder how all those Saleen "upgrades" effect the Tesla warranty...
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  • Aug 13, 2014
    Zextraterrestrial
    so same horsepower I assume? 416
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  • Aug 15, 2014
    zwede
    I wouldn't expect Tesla to offer a warranty on it. Since it's sold as a Saleen, they would provide the warranty.

    ^^^ Above is my guess. No facts to back it up ^^^
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  • Aug 15, 2014
    yobigd20
    If they modify the battery pack or drive unit this would void the warranty. If all saleeen is doing is slapping a logo on the side and upgraded wheels then the factory warranty still applies.
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  • Aug 17, 2014
    60TTuC
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