Feb 20, 2015
AMPUP So left work earlier today and decided to stop by Tysons Mall (Virginia) and parked in the designated Tesla parking that has HPWC (tesla store has parking for about 6 Tesla's in a secure location with two HPWC and 1-2 40A wall sockets). There were four spaces taken so I took one of the remaining and then used the 40A wall socket and my own charger to plug in.
I then went and ran some errands at the mall that I needed to do and then met my wife and Kids for dinner (they drove out on their own due to it being a snow day). Towards the end of the dinner I received a notice that charging had been interrupted, so I promptly left my wife and kids and went back to the car. What I found was an out of state (NEW YORK) plate Model S which had unplugged my charger and left it at the rear of my car and subsequently plugged in his/her own charger into the socket. I had 50% charge so I was ok and didn't have far to get home, but it annoyed me for a few reasons:
- I left dinner early because of the warning
- My charger was just unplugged directly from the wall in mid charge
- No note was left. Now, I get it if you are driving to New York overnight. However, there is a supercharger 15 miles each way of that location. Leave me a damn note, I would.
Basically its rude that's what my conclusion is.
I could post a photo of the offending S but I wont....�
Feb 20, 2015
FlasherZ I would hope you left a note for him/her. That is quite rude.�
Feb 20, 2015
Chris TX Wow...
something something rude New Yorker...
Also, there is a possibility they thought your car belonged to the Tesla store there. Still not an innocent action, though.�
Feb 20, 2015
TTT Post the picture�
Feb 20, 2015
iadbound Sorry to hear that. I'm surprised that an out of state driver would even bother going to Tysons given the proximity to the Bethesda supercharger. I take it all the charging spots were taken. If they weren't than that makes it even more absurd.�
Feb 20, 2015
bonnie I would have just unplugged them & then sat and waited for them to come back to check on their car (like you did when your charging was interrupted).
They'd have some 'splaining to do.�
Feb 20, 2015
JohnSnowNW This is giving me flashbacks to college, and shared laundry facilities
I think it's a tad more than rude, and frankly I don't know how someone without a serious personality disorder would even consider doing something like this. I definitely would have left a note...and a scathing one at that.�
Feb 20, 2015
AMPUP Like I said I'd actually be ok with it, but leave a note or wait around.. It's just the right thing to do.�
Feb 20, 2015
Majerus Maybe I am mistaken, but when your car is locked I thought the tesla connector could not be unplugged? I suppose this is not the case? Either way that is quite rude.�
Feb 20, 2015
FlasherZ The NEMA 14-50 cord was unplugged and left on the ground, is how I read it.�
Feb 20, 2015
AMPUP It cant be which is why the owner pulled my charger from the wall socket.�
Feb 20, 2015
Phil K This is really rude and not acceptable.�
Feb 20, 2015
Zythryn Agreed, very rude.
If it was an emergency I would expect them to either wait, or at the very least leave a note.�
Feb 20, 2015
tiblot That's messed up. I assume they were dangerously low on a energy but leaving a note would have been the least they could do.
Happen to notice how fast his green ring was blinking?�
Feb 20, 2015
Auzie Well I am impressed. AMPUP, your reaction was so cool
Uncool act like the one you described exposes the offending car to a great risk of being keyed. The driver obviously did not have such concerns.
Maybe there is some innocent explanation, although it seems unlikely. Maybe the driver did not have a piece of paper handy:wink: Or just run out to get a paper and missed you...And there were a few toddlers that badly needed toilet, who knows...
Most likely explanation of such weird behaviour is that there may have been a number of contributing factors that resulted in a strange behaviour. Sometimes we all get out of our minds due to being preoccupied or distracted. Not trying to excuse, just trying to understand...
It seems that even road rage or Tesla unplug rage is evolving into more civilised forum discussions, rather than escalating into a gun fight.
Contrast that with this road rage: Teen arrested in road rage.
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Feb 20, 2015
AMPUP Ring wasn't blinking, which I believe is normal when charging and locked now? Maybe that's why I was unplugged, he/she didn't think I was charging maybe?�
Feb 20, 2015
AMPUP If I didn't have a piece of paper I would have posted quickly on TMC and preempted the inevitable roast�
Feb 20, 2015
Majerus Wow I missed that when I first read it. It really takes someone special to unplug it from a wall.�
Feb 20, 2015
ItsNotAboutTheMoney This is a simple thing: some people are entitled douchebags.
You really had two choices:
- Let it go
- Unplug their car.
Well done for not being a douchebag.�
Feb 20, 2015
GreenT You think they would have seen your post here?
From my travels, I'd say 10% of owners, at most, read these or any other Tesla forums.
Most owners are "drivers", little more; and want nothing to do with socializing except for maybe bumping into their peers at a SC and exchanging a handshake.
Or maybe it's my BO?
Can't say I blame them.�
Feb 20, 2015
SamT I'm not taking sides, but I thought the chargers at the stores are reserved for Tesla Demo cars only, if you need to use them, you should've asked the store manager before using them. That's my understanding.�
Feb 20, 2015
Chris TX If the "offender" asked the Tesla store and they said "Sure, if one of ours is plugged in you can grab it" then maybe they thought they were doing the right thing. It is common knowledge that the store cars are going to be parked/plugged in there. Did the OP notify the store they were going to plug in?�
Feb 20, 2015
andrewket The parking area at Tysons has been getting more crowded as of late. It used to be that the store asked for ppl to call and check in with them before plugging in. A few months ago they changed the signage; the left HPWC is reserved for the store, and the right one is available for public use. I've never used the 14-50's.
It's possible the New York driver called the store and asked if he could unplug the store's car, and unplugged the wrong car. Or.. He is just an ass.�
Feb 20, 2015
AMPUP Tyson's is a mall store where they can't sell cars, discuss price etc. there isn't inventory and Virginia isn't allowed (except a single designated store that is not yet opened about half a mile away). I know the store folks, I'm in enough and those spots are marked for tesla customer vehicles. It pretty easy to tell a customer vehicle vs inventory anyway.
In any case leave me a note, that's all I asked. I'm always happy just to park there and not charge so no one door dings me (larger spots). However, I was plugged in, if you need to pull my plug leave a note... Did I say leave a note.�
Feb 20, 2015
Xenoilphobe Totally not cool. I wish their was a way to text the other cars via the app - some kinda of geolocation thing that notified all cars in the same geolocation about the request to plug in / pull the plug. I was traveling to the Bethesda SC and every spot was filled with a Tesla - yet all of them were charged...but no plug-in was available. Bottom Line I wasn't in bad need of a charge, but if I had been I would have pulled the 14-50 and stayed with the car or left a note, because it was my only accessible charge location.�
Feb 20, 2015
PokerBroker Btw... Parking there and not charging is almost as big of an offense�
Feb 20, 2015
scaesare I had a similar experience shortly after getting my car. I was staying at a hotel that had a single J1772 available. My mobile app reported my charging stopped.
I happened to be in the lobby, so I was able to get to the car in a short time. Sure enough another out of state Model S had unplugged the connector from my car and plugged in theirs. A woman was walking away. I told her that was "uncool", and she seemed flustered and walked away. I plugged my car back in as I needed the charge for my 135 mile trek home.
I later learned she was unfamiliar with the type of charger and assumed the car was not charging for some reason. While I appreciate it was likely an honest mistake, I personally would not make many assumptions when messing with somebody else's car.�
Feb 20, 2015
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Feb 21, 2015
SW2Fiddler Coming Soon: "They unplugged me AND stole my hangtag!"�
Feb 21, 2015
ElectricTundra Being able to text other owners would be very handy. VIN to VIN would preserve privacy. I'd bet there are gobs of situations like this where the person charging doesn't really need more charge and someone pulling up is in desperate need and a simple text could allow them to take it without harming others, being a douche, or living with guilt.
I wonder if a phone camera could get a good enough image of the VIN for that to work? Maybe Tesla should include a QR somewhere?�
Feb 21, 2015
bonnie I've never worried about leaving my cell # on a note when I'm charging. Worst case, someone could post a number on a forum (ahem) and encourage crank calls. But shoot, they could do that with any number that is out there. Odds of it happening to me is probably minuscule at best.�
Feb 21, 2015
tiblot They are not. 100% free to use for all owners.�
Feb 21, 2015
artsci Did you record the license plate number of the offending car? A reverse look-up is possible. Knowing the identity of the offending party would be great so we could all properly castigate this dreadful behavior.�
Feb 21, 2015
mibaro2 It is unfortunate to hear stories like this. The OP could have been very low on battery.
I've left a note on my dash when I charge at hotels or other public places saying if you need a charge, call me at xxxxxx. Only once did I receive a call from another Tesla owner who was running on fumes. I told him to go ahead and unplug me.
I plan on getting http://www.takechargeandgo.com/2015/02/14/hangers/ ...just have to wait for them to ship to Canada.�
Feb 21, 2015
SW2Fiddler I hope that people are not assuming a car's charged because you don't see a green ring lit. That goes dark when the car locks up, regardless of State Of Charge.�
Feb 21, 2015
andydoty Actually, to clarify... They are free to use as long as you notify the store first. I believe it even says it on individual gallery points on the Tesla map. Giving them the benefit of the doubts, they may have confused you for one of the demos. However, I'm not sure most people know to look for the California plates.�
Feb 21, 2015
iadbound I have charged at Tysons once and parked there once in the Tesla-only spots. The first time the store almost seemed annoyed that I asked if it was ok. The response was something akin to: of course it's ok, why would you even bother to ask. So the second time, I just parked there and didn't worry about it.�
Feb 21, 2015
Newscutter
I was right with you (YEAH MAN, LET'S GO GET THEM!) until I got to that line.
I don't see how someone leaving a note in that case would have been helpful... as they waited for you to finish shopping and come out and read the note so they could park and charge?? Not very timely.
I don't get that.
If you left your phone number visible on your car, perhaps. But even then, you've crossed a line I wouldn't. If I'm not charging, I'm not taking up a space where someone else could charge. To avoid door dings I'm always happy just to park the next state away and walk over.�
Feb 21, 2015
andrewket To be clear to those that have never been to Tysons corner mall, at this location there are more tesla spots than EVSEs or outlets. It can accommodate 7-8 cars, and there are two HPWCs and 1-2? 14-50's.
I too have parked there when the lot is full, and purposely parked in a slot that was away from the HPWCs because I did not need to charge. I also leave either my superchargerQR code or my cell number on the dash just in case.
I would never use a charging parking spot and not charge. I won't even park at a charging spot at the airport because I can get home without charging, and I would rather leave it open for someone who needs it.�
Feb 21, 2015
scaesare This.
I've done similarly.�
Feb 21, 2015
CbltPhoenix ^ This is what I would've done also.
- - - Updated - - -
That's a great idea!�
Feb 21, 2015
SW2Fiddler Hmmmm.
Put it inside the charge cover. Even fewer privacy concerns, as it'd be concealed the other 95% of the time...�
Feb 21, 2015
AMPUP
Andrewket explained the location better than I did, basically there are only a few spots that you can charge and about 4 you can't, so that's where I would park to avoid door dings. Not a charging spot.
I arrived with about 20%, and left with about 50%.
Again it was the unauthorized & unexplained unplugging from the wall socket that upset me. We all get the notifications from the app and to have to get up and leave dinner to check wasn't what I expected or had in mind.�
Feb 21, 2015
andrewket Already exists. SuperchargerQR.�
Feb 21, 2015
stace Does this exist/work for non-iPhone users? So far all the info I'm seeing is iPhone only.�
Feb 21, 2015
breser Nope it's a great idea with a terrible implementation. I've been really tempted to implement something that doesn't depend on any particular platform. But I also think the concern over putting your phone number on your car is a tad overblown.�
Feb 22, 2015
tga Just get a (free) Google Voice #, set it to forward to your cell, and put that on your note. If you start getting crank calls, change the GV #.�
Feb 22, 2015
Merrill I do not care how you phrase it, unplugging another car charging is not appropriate. I would never do that in any situation, wait for someone to come and leave then plug in. It is unfortunate that there are people out there that only care about themselves and still see chargers where there are ICE car parked. In some cases it is lack of understanding but in this case it was rude.�
Feb 22, 2015
redox Why does the app even need your Tesla credentials? I see no reason for it to need them...
EDIT: actually, they're optional - they let you get access to things like battery charge status...
I also don't see why this app has to be platform specific actually: the QR code could simply be a URL that your phone's browser's going to open (any smartphone will do that), and do the actions from that web page. The only reason to have a specific app, IMO, is to be able to send push notifications to the target user (which is reasonable I think).
-- Greg�
Feb 22, 2015
breser It does? Wow.
That was my critique a while back.
But this is getting side tracked from everyone venting about someone unplugging someones car.�
Feb 22, 2015
jkliu47 A third choice I would have made: leave a note on the offending car. Otherwise the offender could have gone on oblivious and repeat it in the future.
I have had the reverse situation happen on one of my trips last year passing by Palm Springs (before their SC). Stayed overnight at a hotel with a 14-50 plug, but it was used by a Tesla with 2 other Tesla's parked beside it apparently also waiting for a charge (one was plugged into a nearby 120v plug....). My frustration was increased when a roaming security guard told me that the Tesla had been parked there for the last 2 days plugged in that way!�
Feb 22, 2015
wycolo Or he was sitting in his car doing the right thing waiting for his charging to end at which time he would re-plug your car when, wham, he has to head for the head and missed you?
Did you leave your # so he could call you with an explanation?
Boy, the old Tesla charging etiquette lessons seemed a lot simpler. But putting one's number inside one's ChargePort door is an excellent idea!!
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Feb 22, 2015
Saghost I like this idea. All the cars have WiFi in addition to 3G, right? So in principle, you could have something in the firmware in the navigation screen or car management screens that says something like "all chargers taken."
When you get to a charging location and find all the chargers plugged in, you hit this new button. The car then sends out a pulse message over WiFi to all the cars in WiFi range saying it wants to plug in - and those cars send an alert over the mobile app to notify their owners someone is waiting.
(The cars would either have to be set to automatically build a peer to peer network, or the message could be passed by creating a network on the car with a specific SSID that the others look for.)
If the physical layout works for it, you could even go further - the app can have an "okay to unplug me" choice available - which when selected would cause your car to turn on lights and unlock the charge port (leaving the rest of the car locked) and send a WiFi message back to the car that wants to charge telling it what's happening. That will only work with long charge cords and multiple spaces available, of course.
If Elon eventually gets his self plugging cords and self driving within supercharger areas working, the "okay to unplug" choice could cause the car to disconnect and move from the supercharger stall to the waiting area in the long term.
Walter�
Feb 22, 2015
breser Great idea but it's hard to say if the vehicles have ad-hoc wifi support which is what would be needed.�
Feb 22, 2015
efusco Can't agree here. If a vehicle is clearly full charged and the owner is not present and I need a charge I have zero qualms about unplugging the other vehicle. I've done it several times and will continue to do so. If theyare still actively charging, that's a different situation and, unless I am desperate for a charger and in a very big hurry, I would not unplug them. But this is a whole new world we're exploring here as far as appropriate behavior with chargers. I think it is really important, if you're leaving your vehicle, that you communicate with others who may need to use the charger. Estimated time of return, urgency of charge, a contact number, and whether it's OK to unplug or not. It's just common sense and good manners.
I do think it would be good if Tesla would come up with some means of facilitating this sort of communication at the Superchargers at least, but I suspect it is pretty low on the priority list.�
Feb 22, 2015
Saghost I was thinking it is using basically a cell phone radio chipset/basecode, so it should be fully capable of creating networks as well as joining them.
As I pointed out above, the cars wouldn't necessarily have to pass data by WiFi to one another - as long as one car can create a WiFi network with an arbitrary prearranged SSID (PleaseLetMePlugIn?
Walter�
Feb 22, 2015
SW2Fiddler Whoa whoa whoa Evan. The OP was only 50% charged when involuntarily unplugged.
What if he HAD needed a full charge?
How are you first ascertaining a car is 'clearly full charged' in your justified cases anyway? (If there's a way to tell, I am eagerly willing to be educated in the methods)
Primum non nocere, y'all.
edit: when I charge at the Tesla Gallery, I give the staff a heads' up that I am topping off and can be texted to remotely unlock the port if someone more truly needful arrives. They have my cell # and they know Pearlie May by her rare mod (front license plate�
Feb 22, 2015
breser Depends on the chip. Some offload more of the wifi protocol to the CPU, some handle more of it themselves. The latter ones are better for embedded systems like this.
That's sneaky but yes it could work.�
Feb 22, 2015
tiblot I did the reverse the other day @ Tysons. I plugged someone in as I was leaving.
But they left me a note asking if I could ...�
Feb 22, 2015
bollar The HPWC and UMC have the green bar that's oscillating while they're providing power to the car (which would be the case here). The few Blink and Chargepoint chargers I have used indicate if they're in use. I don't know how you'd tell at a Supercharger.�
Feb 22, 2015
SW2Fiddler Fair enough, thanks! I guess I could read that in the manual, eh?
And of these, only the UMC or an adapted J1772 would be dis-connect-able.�
Feb 22, 2015
andrewket How does this work? The charge port will lock when the car locks. Not the charge port door, the port itself.�
Feb 22, 2015
AmpedRealtor I definitely would have unplugged the other car... I might have even hidden their 14-50 adapter somewhere along with a trail of breadcrumbs. Turnabout is fair play in my book. I admire those of you who have cooler heads and calmer dispositions. That's just not me. This was an act of disrespect, plain and simple. I can't imagine any innocent situation that would require someone to put their hands on someone else's private, personal property to unplug. Not cool. If you do something like that, you deserves what you gets.
Anyone contemplating this, please take note of my license plate shown to the left under my screen name. If you do something like that to me, you'll learn a lesson quickly. And I don't hold back.�
Feb 22, 2015
tiblot The other owner left his charge port open. I was wondering why it was open at first, but when I saw the note, it made sense.
Also, on the G+ group many people are saying the port will open if you press the button on the cable. Doesn't seem to work for me unless the car is unlocked though.�
Feb 22, 2015
SW2Fiddler When I press the HPWC's button in the Tesla parking area, the three closest cars' ports pop open, not just mine...�
Feb 22, 2015
PatD :wink:�
Feb 22, 2015
andrewket I'll have to try this again. In my last experiment the charge port door might be open, but the locking pin inside was in the locked position which would not allow you to plug in. Further, with the D's and the auto closing door, it closes if you don't plug in after ~30 secs or so.�
Feb 22, 2015
hcsharp I think many of you are rushing to judgement without knowing what was going on with the other driver. I agree he/she should have left a note if unplugging someone's UMC which is a bad thing to do at 40A. But he was from out of state, possibly so low that he wasn't sure he could make it to the supercharger, might have thought it was a demo car, and/or might have mistakenly thought your car was no longer charging.
I charged at Tyson's once on a long trip using their Roadster HPWC (which was replaced a week later with a Model S HPWC). I called ahead and was told to "go ahead and plug in, even if you have to unplug another car that's using it." Pretty sure they had demos at that time and that's what he was referring to. I was badly in need of a charge. I left a note on my car and would have left a note on any car I unplugged.�
Feb 22, 2015
purplewalt Simply put:
No.
Unplugging someone else's car is not cool, in fact it is highly uncivilized.
Under NO circumstances should this have occurred, especially without leaving a note.
Probably less than 10% of Model S owners are actually on this Forum, and actions like this are a very poor reflection on EV enthusiasts everywhere and Model S owners specifically.
Being from out of state or being in a hurry is NOT a valid reason to unplug someone else's car.
Ever.
Learn a bit of courtesy, wait your turn, at the very least leave a note and learn to apologize.
Making excuses for other people's poor behavior will just enable them to do it again.
Learn the Golden Rule and Live it: "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." (Yes, I am a PK).
This is not a "rush to judgement", we ALL should act with common courtesy and respect for other's time and property.�
Feb 23, 2015
efusco Ok, so isn't it also common courtesy to leave a note with a number if you are going to leave your vehicle unattended? Two wrongs don't make a right, but if the vehicle is charged or nearly so, and I am in true need of a charge, I'm unplugging. and you know what, if I leave my vehicle unattended and it's done charging and someone needs a charge, I'd fully expect them to unplug me too.
All this absolutism about "never" unplug is just crazy. 99% of us couldn't care less if it is done respectfully, a note is left, and the courtesy to assure that we are done or nearly done charging before unplugging.�
Feb 23, 2015
andrewket If the other car is done charging and you have a way of knowing that, fine. But nearly done? No. You have no more right to the EVSE or outlet than the other person.�
Feb 23, 2015
slcuervo Quick question: how do you guys have the mobile app reporting that the charging stops? I have an Android phone and doesn't know how it works (is there a sound, some alert, anything?)�
Feb 23, 2015
Franko30 The Android app doesn't offer push notifications like the iOS app. You have to start the app manually and look.
Frank�
Feb 23, 2015
purplewalt Okay, IF the OP had reached a full charge, MAYBE.
But simply believing the original car was fully charged does not make it so.
The offending party had no way to "KNOW" if the other car was fully charged or not.
As stated earlier, the OP's car was only 50% charged when he was unplugged.
That is the crux of the matter.
All the "assumptions" are what get people in a heap of trouble.
Since the OP left his car, he could have left a note on his dash with a telephone and the time he left.
Taking your logic one stop further however, the offending party should have left TWO notes.
One, apologizing profusely on the OP's car: "I am extremely sorry. I hope your car was fully charged and I removed the plug so I could begin charging. I hope I have not inconvenienced you"
That way he takes responsibility for his actions.
A second note on HIS dash with HIS telephone number and time he started his charge.
And in doing so, he also opens the line of communication in case he had wronged another human being.
Otherwise any other (3rd or 4th...) car could come up and do the same thing to him: unplug the NY car and begin a third car's charging.
And the cycle repeats itself ad nauseam.
Do NO harm.
Treat others with the same regard as to how you would like to be treated.
Treat everyone well, and there are no disagreements.
Start bending the rules in a selfish manner for your own benefit and to the detriment of others, and the Whole World resorts back to being like the Old West.�
Feb 23, 2015
bollar The guy unplugged a UMC, so he would have seen the active charging bar when he decided to unplug it. If he knew how the UMC worked, he would have known the car wasn't fully charged.�
Feb 23, 2015
efusco I think we agree more that we disagree on this. But I'll make no apologies for unplugging others when absolutely necessary. And you can tell when someone is completely charged on almost any type of charger. The UMC, for instance, will stop showing the green LED "flow" when fully charged. Most J1772 have some sort of indicator as to whether there is active charging going on. Some cars, such as the Volt, have a dash indicator that's lit when charging.
But, again, it is no more or less selfish for me to unplug someone than for them to neglect to leave a note when they leave a vehicle unattended. I'm not going out to inconvenience anyone and am more than happy to wait my turn, but to have someone tie up a charger for extended times just so I don't unplug them by your rule, no freaking way.
This is a brave new world we're navigating here. I ordered 10 of those little hangers the other day. I have the app with the QR code and a little sign I keep in my car. I have some "Tesla" business cards that I write my phone number on and leave on my car or on a car that I've unplugged. I'm not wholly without manners here, but just because my chosen way of dealing with this new 1st world problem differs from yours doesn't make it any more or less 'right'.�
Feb 23, 2015
scaesare That's the point. We don't know, because the other driver opted to not inform us.
Thus, even if there were seemingly extenuating circumstances, taking the action without benefit of an explanation is in and of itself uncool, even if the underlying reasons were justified[1].
[1] Although I do make a bit of an exception if the person was told by a Tesla Gallery employee they could unplug an existing car, in which case they may have assumed the car was a gallery car... however in many cases it would seem rather obvious if a car was a privately owned one...�
Feb 23, 2015
tiblot Yeah, thats been my experience. I have non idea how the owner next to me accomplished this.
The port was open, it was blinking green like its ready to be plugged in. Is it possible they simply just opened the port + unlocked their car?�
Feb 23, 2015
dpeilow Sounds like you guys need to check out this ChargeBump - A simple plan to do away with EV charge rage | Speak EV - Electric Car Forums�
Feb 23, 2015
Saghost That looks like it could work. For a Tesla only site, I think the approach I suggested upthread incorporating it into the car's firmware is a better choice, with less effort and more results - but it relies on having the car's WiFi and mobile app available, so something like ChargeBump will be more effective at a public site populated by a bunch of makes since it has no requirements for car hardware.
Walter�
Feb 23, 2015
wk057 This thread and others just seem to be beating a dead horse.
The people who unplug others, park ICE vehicles at superchargers, etc and the like aren't going to change their ways. The person who unplugged the OP's UMC likely wouldn't have called beforehand even if there was contact info, likely didn't care if the car they unplugged was charged or not charged, yet probably would have raised hell if they were unplugged. They won't use the courtesy app mentioned above, and won't care in general whether or not you needed the charge or not.
It was probably this guy:
Seems like something we're just going to have to deal with for the time being.�
Feb 23, 2015
Merrill You might be correct but for now I will take the position that if they were educated about EV's and the future they might not do what they are doing. If I see something like we have talked about I will try to leave a note or discuss and inform them, they will either change or continue being an idiot. I do realize that in this world we have become a "what's in it for me society" and nothing will change some people.�
Feb 23, 2015
stevezzzz Wait, your charge port blinks green before you plug in and start charging? I've never seen mine blink green until plugged in and active charging begins.
[update: my Sig 85 on .140 exhibits different behavior than my P85D on .167. The S85 sequence is this: open charge port door with charging wand button; port light ring starts a slow blink white; plug in charging wand; light ring goes dark, then blue, then flashing green as charging begins; lock the car and the port ring goes dark. The P85D sequence: use charging wand to open the charge port door; port light ring turns on solid white; plug in; light ring goes blue, then flashing green as charging begins (or solid green if all is OK but no charging is needed); lock the car and the port ring stays lit for a period of time (I haven't measured it), then goes dark.
@Andrewket: the new, powered charge port doors can be opened manually at any time by pressing on the aft edge, behind the hinge point; there's no magnet lock like there is on the earlier design. This does not unlock the port itself, of course.�
Feb 23, 2015
DFibRL8R I almost always leave a note with my number on the dash whenever I charge in public so I can be contacted. I rarely see other vehicles with the same. All of the leaving note and app solutions mentioned require active voluntary participation to work and unfortunately, most folks just seem too focused on their mission of the moment to be bothered. I think infrastructure is the only real solution, ensuring there are 10-20% more charging points available than typically needed so we don't have to rely on luck or the kindness of strangers to get to our next destination.�
Feb 23, 2015
wk057 They still use the actuator to open when they're pressed. I don't believe it will respond to a touch when locked and no fob. Pretty sure I tried this, but I'll try again next time I head to the garage.�
Feb 23, 2015
andrewket Which just adds the confusion a bit. Great, you can open the port cover, but if the port itself is locked it's moot.
While not a fix for poor manners, I do think EVSEs with multiple heads will help. One power source, but it allows 2,3,4 cars to plug in at the same time and rotates who is receiving current in the order the cars were plugged in. If you want to get more advanced, have a method for the driver to tell the EVSE when they are planning on leaving to optimize priority. Airports especially I think could benefit from such a device. It would enable up to 4x cars (or more) to charge and not require any additional infrastructure/power feed enhancements. I will frequently leave from IAD on a Tuesday and I will see the same car plugged in on Friday when I return. Think about the number of additional cars that could charge during that time frame with such a device.
Who's going into business with me? We should just go build this.�
Feb 23, 2015
stevezzzz I'll save you the trouble: I just walked out to the garage to verify my claim. There is no lock on the charge port door and you can manually open it at any time, whether or not the car is locked. There's some kind of slip clutch in the actuator mechanism, I guess. Or maybe I'm just spinning the actuator motor.�
Feb 23, 2015
wk057 Are you prying it open or pushing it to get it to open?
Edit: Just checked. Definitely does not open with a push when locked. It seems somewhat easy to pull it open if you can get your finger around the edge, but I didn't pull it all the way for fear of damaging something. It opens when the button on the HPWC is pressed while locked.�
Feb 23, 2015
AmpedRealtor I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but you can see if a Model S is actively charging simply by pressing the button on the charge handle. This will light up the charge port and if it's flashing, the car is charging. Anyone can do this to anyone else's Model S, no key is required.�
Feb 23, 2015
stevezzzz Maybe something's broken on my car, then: a gentle push on the aft edge of the door and mine pops open against only light resistance.�
Feb 23, 2015
breser Mine is the same way. DS even pointed out that you could do that to me at delivery but didn't recommend doing it because people have broken their charge port doors doing it. The D door is much easier to force open than the old one because I remember poking at my old one trying to get it to open and that magnet is hard to overwhelm.�
Feb 23, 2015
andrewket In my experience this actually causes the contactor in the EVSE to open and charging stops. If the car is locked the locking pin will prohibit unplugging. As soon as you let go of the button charging will resume.�
Feb 23, 2015
hcsharp I agree 100%, and with your previous post, too. Fundamentalism, or absolutism as you call it will never work in charging etiquette. I always leave a note on my car whether I can be unplugged and how to reach me. I suggest out of courtesy that everybody do this.�
Feb 24, 2015
SW2Fiddler I see what you did there
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This will also ping the Model S App with a message "Charging Has Been Interrupted" which is what prompted the OP to leave dinner.
Disclaimer: may not occur on non-iOS instances of the app�
Feb 24, 2015
LetsGoFast Will you then get the usual "charging started" notice immediately afterwards?�
Feb 24, 2015
wycolo If indeed I ever become a Perp, and its only a matter of time before I do, I'll leave a note saying either:
- Quick run to Tesla Store to ask
- Quick run to Rest Room
- Quick walk for my Dog
- Quick run for Take Out
Note: the last one can NOT include the usual line of ~25 people at an In-N-Out Burger joint ! ! :crying:
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