Feb 9, 2016
geoffreak Consumer Reports just published a video claiming that Tesla will release an update to the summon feature as soon as this week to address what they call a safety issue in that the car can continue moving even if the fob is dropped or app closed. In the video, they claim that Tesla will switch summon to be app-only and require your finger to stay on the on-screen button for the car to continue moving. I'm sure this may upset some people, but I could see how this may be a good safety enhancement.
Apologies if this news was reported elsewhere already.�
Feb 9, 2016
CHG-ON For me, the best solution would be for me to be required to either hold the button on the fob or the app. I am a bit uncomfortable when using the fob and having to hit it again to stop. It has always worked, but what if I get distracted something? I would prefer to have it stop if I let go of the fob or app button.�
Feb 9, 2016
AllenWong Well if anyone wants to keep it the way it was before, they can just use Remote S instead of the official app. Not a big issue to me, in my opinion.�
Feb 9, 2016
ecarfan How would CR have advance notice of such a change?�
Feb 9, 2016
AllenWong If you watch the video, CR explain that they were the ones who told Tesla to do it, and then Tesla said, "Okay, we'll do it."�
Feb 9, 2016
Jhall118 I park perpendicular on a non-busy street in front of my house, next to a big SUV. Pulling out into traffic blind is no fun, so I love the summon feature. I go stand out in the middle of the road and can see that no cars are coming as I pull the car out. I'd rather use just the fob, so this makes me sad
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Feb 10, 2016
BertL While I seldom use Summon now, I will personally use it even less if it becomes an app-only capability. Unlike so many people today, I am not one that keeps my iPhone plastered to my body 100% of the time, and generally don't have it with me when detailing my MS -- which is when I more typically use Summon to pull MS out and back into my garage. I do OTOH always have my FOB when I'm driving or attending to my MS.
I've been a proponent of having a "finger on the button to keep it moving" since before Summon first came out -- as that is how my previous BMW and MBZ convertibles dealt with moving their hardtops up and down -- both remotely via the FOB or even when sitting in the cockpit using the hardwired switch. To me, it was the best safety option in case a remote battery died or something else failed mid-operation. What Tesla did with it's original "2-Step ON/1-Step OFF" Summon FOB implementation made more sense given the MS sensor array was there to do an auto stop if need be, but as some have reported here on TMC, it isn't full-proof. As discussed elsewhere, there are even more points of possible communication failure when the App (and sorry, even more if Apple Watch) is used in that process. So, if Tesla makes the change as described by the OP, it seems to me to be the right thing to do -- but if the FOB is not retained as Tesla's primary option to use Summon, IMHO Tesla will have made a big mistake.�
Feb 10, 2016
PaulR +1 BertL, I totally agree. Though I have used Summon in the wild only a few times, it's obvious to me that you cannot use it without vigilance. A simple solution and very reasonable. Though many have bashed Consumer Reports for their reporting on the Model S, I seem them as real advocates, almost fanboys for Tesla's car.
Just making a great car even greater as far as I am concerned.....�
Feb 10, 2016
modelx007 A problem I experienced is using the app on Android while using summon and the car was moving the app crashed and the car kept moving. Luckily I had the key fob in my pocket and stopped the car. If I didn't have the key fob also handy I wonder what would have happened??�
Feb 10, 2016
NOLA_Mike In theory I assume what would have happened is it would have continued to move until it reached the maximum distance it is allowed to go (39 ft?) or the sensors detected an object and it stopped as a result. Am I missing something?
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Feb 10, 2016
PaulR Only missing the fact that the sensors don't seem to detect certain types of objects as demonstrated in the Consumer Reports video (bag on the ground in front, bicycle). As I mentioned above and others have confirmed we need to keep the fob as an option as well.�
Feb 10, 2016
NOLA_Mike Welp, if the sensors don't detect the object then I think you can assume it will keep going until it reaches 39 ft. (running over or into whatever it didn't detect).
I'm not trying to be defensive or difficult, I just think we can guess with some certainty what will happen if you don't have the key fob or the ability to stop it via the app.
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Feb 10, 2016
PatD This was my concern when I read the subject of this thread. First, my S works much better with the fob than with my iPhone. Don't know why, but it does. Second, my concern was if I have to stop summon FAST, I can only assume the fob is going to be faster and more reliable. If my car goes the full 39' because of a drop in communication while coming out of my garage, it's going down a good hill in to the neighbors yard.
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And yet I can't get my S back in to the garage with summon over the 1" concrete lip...�
Feb 10, 2016
NOLA_Mike Same here - mine will roll off the driveway and into the neighbors yard. I don't ever want to see that.
And, mine won't get over the concrete rise into the garage either.�
Feb 10, 2016
BertL I'm sure that's the case. For me, my driveway is shorter than 39' so trusting that as a stopping point isn't good -- and as others have found, there are blindspots with the parking sensors, e.g. for low-lying and thinner objects including some bicycles, etc. I just won't trust today's sensor array unless I'm also part of the decision making.�
Feb 10, 2016
PaulR Yep, I too have learned to rely on the fob rather than the app.
Fortunately, I would bet that Tesla would keep the fob summon functionality as they seem to always have added functionality to the fob rather than removing it (e.g. charge port door opening...)
Also, I don't believe that Windows phones have the app as of now so they can't rely on everyone having an app or having their phone on them all the time (as BertL mentioned above).
Also, it's doesn't require further programing to keep the fob except to make it where you have to keep the fob pressed. Based on the comments above we should know pretty quickly what they will do.�
Feb 10, 2016
slevit1md Wouldn't be the first time Tesla has given functionality and then taken it away...�
Feb 10, 2016
Cyclone Hmmm. I would hope that if they go down this path, they still let the fob be used to send an instant "cancel" to Summon. The app is FAR too laggy for the kind of time-sensitive "stop" signal needed at times. There is just too much delay to go from your phone, to Tesla's servers, then back out to the car versus the fob going direct to the car.�
Feb 10, 2016
jak Limiting 'summon' to the app would be stupid. If they add the dead-man switch in the app, they should add it to the fob, too. The fob is more reliable and responsive than the app. What if the app crashes? What if you are in a garage or other area with poor or no cell phone coverage? What if you're using summon and the app crashes or you lose cell phone connectivity?�
Feb 10, 2016
tezzla I hate it when the "safety police" get involved (in just about anything), I'm a grown adult able to purchase a $70k+ car, let me make my own decisions (and let me be liable for my bad decisions). It's not high school kids buying/using this car (of course there are some).�
Feb 10, 2016
Kbra It should also have the horn blaring too as a safety precaution because a blind person could be near by and not see the flashing lights as its rolling to them while laying on the ground. The app should also use a the camera to confirm you are in your bubble suit. Safety first guys.�
Feb 10, 2016
DrumCoder It was a fun parlor trick while it lasted, but I don't trust it with the app. I only used the fob because of the instant communication, rather than relying on two internet connections (my phone's and the car's.) If they're taking it away from the fob then it's pretty much useless to me.
Thanks, safety police!�
Feb 10, 2016
GasKilla No plans to ever use summon with my car. Besides my steep driveway I don't like the idea of making my car a giant remote control car, the consumer reports guys scrapped up the rims, I sure I could do much worse than them.�
Feb 10, 2016
davidc18 Tesla updates auto-park feature after Consumer Reports raises safety concern
Did anyone else see this article? Tesla updates auto-park feature after Consumer Reports raises safety concern - Feb. 10, 2016
The article states that Tesla has updated the summon feature so that it will no longer work with the key fob, only the phone app. I have actually been using the summon feature to back the car out of the garage with the key fob. It worked and it was easy. I don't see how using the phone will make it "safer", just less user friendly.�
Feb 10, 2016
DougH Yes, there is already a thread about it.�
Feb 10, 2016
scottf200 Need to hold finger on phone button it seems ("dead man switch")
Tesla to Add Protections to Self-Parking Feature | Consumer Reports - YouTube
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Feb 10, 2016
Stoneymonster Well that sucks, because my phone has never successfully worked with it and takes forever to connect to the car (yes the car is supposed to be on WiFI to an AP in the garage. It's pretty hit-or-miss when it decides to be connected).�
Feb 10, 2016
DougH Do you have "always stay connected" on?�
Feb 10, 2016
Stoneymonster Yup. I often get in the car and it's struggling to be on 3G. If I manually select the wifi SSID from the list it connects to it fine. It's like it just forgets.�
Feb 10, 2016
Rockster This +1,1000
I don't want to trust control of my 4,600 pound motorized bludgeon to a cell phone's signal integrity.�
Feb 10, 2016
Haggy If I start Summon with the fob, and tell it which direction to go with the fob, it's a safe bet that the fob is in my hand. It has not been reliable with the app, and I did have the car keep moving after the app claimed that it was no longer in communication with the car. The solution would be to disable the app, not the fob, since the fob will not lose communication.
I think it's time to flood Tesla with complaints.
On the other hand, I agree that if they found it too risky to let a long press of the center lower all the windows, then it should be considered risky to have it start the summon process. Perhaps holding both the frunk and trunk buttons at the same time would have been more sensible, and they could have assured that the top was not being pressed.
I just sent an email to Tesla complaining about this. If I have to look at my phone, it's very unlikely I'd notice an obstacle that even the car couldn't see. If I had the fob in my hand, I'd be looking at the car, not at my phone.�
Feb 10, 2016
davidc18 I don't know if it will help but I sent my opinion of using the phone instead of the key fob to [email�protected]. I agree that using phone to control the car is not safer than using the fob.�
Feb 10, 2016
JenniferQ If you step in front of it the car will stop. At least it has for me. YMMV�
Feb 10, 2016
Soolim Canadians don't have the summon to complaint. :frown:�
Feb 10, 2016
modelx007 Honestly haven't tried and at this point not willing to beta test standing infront to see.�
Feb 10, 2016
Caligula Wait... we can open the charge port with the key fob now? How?�
Feb 10, 2016
green1 Push and hold the trunk button�
Feb 10, 2016
Fanatic1 The article below is from The Verge Blog feed I cut and pasted. Looks like they are doing a "dead man's stop." You have to keep the fob pressed to have the car moving. If you let go, it stops.
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Tesla updates 'Summon' feature after Consumer Reports flags safety flaw
By Jordan Golson on February 10, 2016 03:21 pm
Tesla is updating the "Summon" feature in the Model S and X, introduced earlier this year, to fix a safety flaw. The feature allows Tesla owners to "drive" their cars remotely at very slow speeds; the idea is to allow the car to move in and out of tight spaces, like garages, with the car driving itself.
However, as Consumer Reports pointed out, there was a potential safety issue with the feature. To use Summon, a driver presses a button on the key fob to get the car moving (albeit, again, at a very slow speed). To stop, the driver presses the button again. However, if the key was dropped (or the iPhone app was accidentally closed) or the driver presses the wrong button, the car could continue to move on its own.
The car would stop on its own if it encountered a curb or if someone touched the door handle, but it was still an unnecessary risk. So, Tesla has updated the feature to be a "dead-man's switch" � in order to make the car move, the driver now needs to physically hold down the button to make the car move. Let go and the car stops.
"Consumer Reports surfaced valid concerns that we�ve already built fixes for, continuing to make Summon and our vehicles better," said a Tesla spokesperson in a statement.
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Feb 10, 2016
eloder You can walk in front of the car to stop it with ease, from what I've seen on videos.�
Feb 10, 2016
JenniferQ Yes, I have experimented with this several times and it always stops. YMMV.
I have always thought we should have to keep the frunk or trunk pressed the whole time. Otherwise, I could see setting it off accidentally in my purse at some point.�
Feb 11, 2016
mgboyes Actually they previously removed the facility to wind down all the windows by pushing and holding the roof buttton, because people were accidentally actuating it while the fob was in their pocket and cars were getting rained into.
Good point! Given that the previous push-and-hold-roof option was removed precisely because of accidental activation, I'd say this is a valid concern!
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I'd say that the bigger issue here is that the current fob just cannot be the means by which you control summon in the future. Summon is going to get more sophisticated, and the fob doesn't have a screen, or any kind of feedback facility, etc. It's not really good for anything more than an on/off control input.
So as much as we intuitively like the idea of the fob in the short term, it can't be the long term solution. I guess bluetooth connectivity from car to phone might be the way forward, or a new type of fob.
The BMW 7 series gets around this by having a fob with a touchscreen on it that lets you check all sorts of car-related info, and also activate their version of Summon (ironically in all markets *except* the US).�
Feb 11, 2016
BertL Personally, I understand the change made to prevent the pano roof opening by holding a single button on the FOB. In a previous FOB cover that was too tight, I had my frunk and trunk opening sporadically as I got in and out of my MS -- that took me a while to figure out where the gremlins were and change FOB covers.
...BUT, if Tesla still required one to FIRST push and hold the center button until lights flash, THEN require the frunk or trunk button to be held down the whole time Summon is in progress (and when you lift off it STOPS and you have to start over from Step 1), I see that as a very reasonable and safe process. That combination of events accidentally being triggered with the FOB in your pocket or purse must be astronomically low. It seems like a simple fix, and Tesla can then figure out how they want to handle future (AutoPilot V2?) more sophisticated needs with a new FOB or some other method to go along with it.�
Feb 11, 2016
Haggy Canadians aren't good at complaining anyway. When they have a problem with somebody, they just have him move to the US and tell him to run for president.�
Feb 11, 2016
andrewket I sure hope this isn't true. If it is, I likely won't use summon that much anymore.�
Feb 11, 2016
sorka The app would be useless to me. Not only does it often take 30 seconds or more to connect when the car is awake, when it's not awake and "power saving" mode is on, it often never connects or takes minutes which is usually the case when it's in my garage in the morning.
So let me get this straight. We get lane holding only long enough for Car and Driver to give it rave reviews and then it's pretty much disabled by requiring constant nags, limiting the speed, and ping ponging between lane markers when it didn't used it. Smart. Wait until a major publication gives it awesome reviews before the safety lawyers step in and end the fun.
Rinse and repeat with Summon.
How do they figure they're going to do version 2 where the Tesla exists the garage and then turns and drives down your circular drive to meet you in the front of your house?
If this update comes through, I will just simply not install it. I use summon all the time and would not use it at all if I had to use it with the app.�
Feb 11, 2016
Todd Burch If Tesla goes the app route only, that would seriously suck. I could pull the car out manually in the time it connects and initiates.
If they require you to hold the FOB, that would be a step back, but tolerable.
Best solution is to just walk in front of the car to do an emergency stop. Quick, easy, and reliable. Stops every time for me.�
Feb 12, 2016
jcoverton I worry about the safety of the change. My car loses wifi connectivity when it leaves the garage. It still tries to hold it with one bar and does not switch to cellular until I leave the property. Communication is limited during the transition. For example, I have a hard time turning on climate control when parked in my driveway. Depending on how the dead man switch worked this could make the app dangerous to control summons. Event driven software models would report when the finger is lifted. If I start it in the garage on wifi and then lose signal outside I may not be able to stop it if the app does not have connectivity to report the finger being lifted. The key fob always works and I trust it to stop the car. It would be better to have the key fob have a deadman feature as the car would know when it stopped transmitting.
The real issue is that before summoning your car make sure it will not hit something in the way. I check both sides and stand in front when moving forward and in the back when backing up. Sitting in your car and backing up without checking what's behind the car is no different than summoning the car without being clear about what's behind the it. Changing from the key fob to the app adds layers which lower safety.�
Feb 12, 2016
Todd Burch They can still do this safely via the app: While the button's down, the app sends "keep going" messages. That way, if connectivity is lost in any way, the messages are no longer received and the car stops.
Unfortunately that means summon mode will "accidentally" abort way more often than it needs to.�
Feb 12, 2016
jcoverton I have developed for IOS but am not an expert. The button controls use events which trigger when the user does something. Code get's triggered by the events and nothing happens until the user does something, like press or release or move off the button. There may be a way to loop while the button is down, but this does not match how I was taught to program for the iPhone. It will be interesting to see how they implement this.�
Feb 12, 2016
sorka Yea, but I have the same situation where when the car is just pulling out of the door, it's hanging on to wifi but not actually getting anything. I have go another 60 feet or so before it switches over to 3g. So even if I were willing to use the app, it simply wouldn't work most of the time.
I use summon most often when pulling out of parking spots to avoid having squeeze in. I frequently drive to Yosemite Valley and park in Curry Village. The 3g for AT&T is spotty but it's completely absent for Verizion. I get no data at all there.
Even in populated areas like the Bay Area, the car frequently loses 3g connectivity until I reboot it.�
Feb 12, 2016
scottf200 You don't have to step in front of it to stop it. Per the release notes just touch a handle.
MODEL X SOFTWARE RELEASE NOTES v7.1
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Feb 12, 2016
meloccom We haven't got summon in Australia yet and if they restrict the usage to the app it will become almost unusable for me when it does arrive.
My main intended use was to move my Model S out of my tight basement car space with the fob, as there's no cell signal in the basement I won't be able to use the app either.
I think if possible they could change the Summon initiation signal to press and hold both front and rear fob buttons, then require all buttons to be released before holding down only the front or rear button to move the car. I think this will reduce the likelihood of an unintended movement to virtually nil.�
Feb 12, 2016
Caligula I believe that you don't need cell reception just wifi.�
Feb 12, 2016
wk057 I don't like this idea.
I've actually found one real use for summon, and I love it the way it is for it: In my garage, my two trash/recycling bins are stored in front corner by the garage door, which is blocked by my car's nose generally. So, on trash day I've been unplugging the car, starting summon, and letting the car pull out in the driveway while I load up the last of the trash. Then I pull the bins out and away from the car's spot, and summon it back into the garage while I pull the bins to the end of the driveway. By the time I'm walking back towards the house it's pretty much back in place, so I plug it back in, close the garage door, and head back inside. The I repeat to bring the bins back in. Definitely beats having to jump in and move the car every time. (Edit: Just to note, my driveway is pretty large, and there's basically no chance of the car hitting anything on the way in or out even if I'm not paying attention to it. My driveway is long enough so that it doesn't even make it out of the garage and half-way down the driveway.)
So, this change would quite literally make the feature useless. If I have to stand there with my finger on a button in order for it to work, then I'm not gaining anything at all vs just hopping in and moving the car myself. I know how to park in my garage, so it's not like it's doing something I can't do. I'm not going to take time to get my phone, open the app, wait for it to connect, then stand there and hold a button just so I can watch my car move by itself. That'd just be stupid. It would take less time and effort to jump in and move the car.
*sigh* Here we go with Tesla crippling features again...�
Feb 12, 2016
AllenWong Just use Remote S�
Feb 12, 2016
wk057 When you make the Android version of Remote S, I'll use it. Heck, I'd buy it for double what you charge Apple folks. I refuse to give $0.01 to Apple.
Edit: Actually, that doesn't fully solve the issue anyway, since I can access the buttons on my fob with zero effort (I always have my keys clipped on my belt loop) but to use the app I have to get my phone out, unlock it, open the app, wait for connect, etc etc etc.
Edit edit: Actually, I'll just buy a third key fob, and rig it up to a button in my garage that activated summon. lol.�
Feb 14, 2016
Todd Burch I actually think that touching the door handle (which I don't recall seeing in the initial release notes) may actually satisfy this concern completely. It would be reliable, easy, and safe. Hopefully Tesla just stops with that and considers the concern addressed.
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You could simply have the button down event start a timer which fires a "keep going" event every second or something like that, and have the button up event stop the timer. It's a trivial programming task, but it's true that the connectivity issues would mean that this would be a highly unreliable solution.�
Feb 14, 2016
RedSoxFan18 I'm a regular summon user as my garage is narrow. I prefer the FOB but the app works for me. My cell phone will always be charged at home, but it would really suck to be in the wild, use summon to park in a narrow place, and then be stranded with a dead cell battery.�
Feb 15, 2016
wk057 Yeah, actually this would be perfect. The handles, being hard wired and all, should be pretty easily accessible on a car traveling at < 0.5 MPH.
Problem solved. Not that I think there is a problem with the existing implementation anyway.�
Feb 15, 2016
GlmnAlyAirCar I've really never used the app for summon, but unfortunately if summon is going to be something more than a parlor trick, the app is the only solution. Summon, as I originally pictured it (perhaps naively) would be able to meet me at a specific location (base of the driveway, etc.). Ultimately you will need to provide more information to summon than is available from the key fob. The fob is already overloaded, with single, double, and long presses for most of the buttons. Now it's modal -- hold down the center button to put it into summon mode. There is only so many ways the current fob can be overloaded.
Also, I was a bit dismayed to hear of the need to hold down a button. But the truth is in the current implementation you do need to watch the car at all times. It's easier to release a button to stop summon than to find the "stop" button on the app (although pressing the fob is pretty mindless). In fact, I took out my son's bike hanging on the garage wall once using summon and not watching it. The handle bar got caught in the rear wheel well. Destroyed the handle bar stem; no damage whatsoever to the car. Still don't know how I got away with that. Admittedly, it would have happened had I driven the car out manually, but had I been watching it I would have stopped it on time.
To be clear, I'm not happy with the change but it seems the app as the sole means of control is inevitable.�
Feb 15, 2016
PaulR Please correct me if I am wrong, but the Model S 7.1 Release notes don't mention this as a way to stop the car. It seems to be Model X specific at this time. The Model S notes mention only the FOB or the App or the car bumping into some object which it detects.�
Feb 15, 2016
wk057 Well, with the existing sensors there is no way that I think they'll ever allow anything where you weren't required to be watching the car. The sensors just are not precise enough. They don't detect everything they need to detect to safely do much more than it does now. And there's basically no way it would ever be able to detect something like your son's bike situation.
So, honestly, I think this is probably as good as it gets for summon with the current hardware. Much more and Tesla's really going to open themselves up to significant liability concerns. Maybe they're prepared to do that, but I doubt it.
And just like autopilot/autosteer, I think they're going to just start tightening/crippling features (like the recent +5 MPH rule and now the hold the button rule or whatever it turns into) vs significant improvements from here on until the next generation sensors are released.�
Feb 15, 2016
CHGolferJim I use Summon in and out of my garage. Worked like usual with the fob last night.�
Feb 15, 2016
GlmnAlyAirCar I have absolutely no expectation that these sensors could sense something like the bike. In fact, I've made the argument elsewhere in this forum that the hyped summoning features simple can't be done with hardware. I'm surprised there isn't more of an uproar about the inability to deliver on "real" summoning.�
Feb 15, 2016
dhanson865 delete, duplicate post�
Feb 15, 2016
Andyw2100 We're just too numb from the previous beatings.�
Feb 16, 2016
davidc18 +1 - I think wk057 is correct that more restrictions are on their way.�
Feb 16, 2016
chriSharek That sucks! I HATE CR and their ridiculous criticisms of EVs in general. HATE them! I'm purposely not watching the video to give them the satisfaction of another hit!�
Feb 16, 2016
scottf200 Can someone confirm that the Model S will stop with the handle being touched?
Model S image: http://i.imgur.com/3AkDmEf.png
Model X image: http://i.imgur.com/iWQElIc.png
Via www teslamotors com/sites/default/files/tesla_model_x_software_7_1_0.pdf (_0 suffix addedd vs Ss)�
Feb 16, 2016
BertL I don't know why you think it should work on a MS when Tesla clearly has different wording how to stop it on MS vs MX.
Be that as it may, to help inquisitive minds, I just went out and tried Summon with my MS running 7.1 2.9.154, 3 different times in my garage/driveway. Touching the door handle didn't stop my MS while it was backing out using Summon. If it is supposed to work on a MS, it's a flaky implementation that didn't accomplish the objective for me 3 out of 3 attempts -- but maybe I didn't touch the handle long enough or in the right place.
I'd far prefer just having a deadman switch approach on my FOB, and as I said upstream in this thread -- I'll let Tesla worry with what they want to do with a future AutoPilot 2.0 implementation and/or perhaps a different FOB design when the time comes around for full autonomous driving. My (relatively new) MS will never be able to drive on it's own, so I'll be happy with a little improvement to my existing FOB implementation that I trust a lot more than an emergency-stop with my iPhone App.�
Feb 16, 2016
LetsGoFast It works reliably for me. I reported it about a month ago.
I just tried it again a few minutes ago. Still works. Perhaps you weren't pressing the handle hard enough?�
Feb 16, 2016
BertL Could be. I touched it enough to leave a finger print, but may not have touched it long enough each time... Does it work for you with both front and back handles?�
Feb 16, 2016
Andyw2100 I know!
Perhaps LetsGoFast's arms are a lot (a real lot!�
Feb 16, 2016
Cyclone Well, just to make sure we are clear, we are talking about pushing the door handle like requesting it to be extended, not pulling an extended handle to make the door open, right?�
Feb 16, 2016
brianman Any bets on when Tesla will release a Windows Phone version of the app? Otherwise, I'm due a credit when the Summon feature is removed from my car.�
Feb 16, 2016
BertL So, thanks to your comment LetsGoFast, I went back and tried this a few more times. Yes, I can stop Summon using my MS door handles. It requires a not-so-subtle touch, similar to what is necessary when my MS is asleep and I must do a "hard touch" or almost a "light push" on the handles to get them to present. A light tap, won't stop Summon which is what I must have been doing before, but an intentional touch of longer duration on the front or back door handles will cause Summon to cease operation. I tried this only on the driver's side while my handles were retracted, and will let others try other combinations if they are so inclined. Thx again for your helpful reply and not going off on my mistake -- I learned another new parlor trick today.�
Feb 16, 2016
LetsGoFast It is true that several members of my family refer to me as "ape arms"
No problem. I try very hard not to be rude if I can help myself. You are right that it requires a pretty firm press, which I why I thought it was possible you didn't push hard enough.�
Feb 16, 2016
511keV I don't normally use Summons but I think solely relying on the cellphone is a bad idea One use case that will most likely no longer work is a extracting a car from an underground garage parking spot when the closely parked adjacent car prevents the doors from opening. It is rare to have cell service in an underground parking garage. Using the fob in this no cell signal situation is a virtual necessity unless, of course, Tesla enables bluetooth control from the cell phone. Further, using bluetooth would eliminate the delay of transmitting a signal over the cell network and enhance responsiveness, too.�
Feb 16, 2016
Andyw2100 Since the above quoted my post, I should point out, in case it wasn't clear, that I was joking. If LetsGoFast's arms were long enough that he could stand in front of the car, and still reach the door handles, he would have very, VERY long arms. The joke was that the car would have been stopping because it sensed a person in front of it and not because of the handle feature, which would have explained why it worked for LetsGoFast and not for Bert.
This will teach me to make jokes that need follow-up posts to explain them!
It's due around the same time as the lighted visors and the 691 HP P85Ds.�
Feb 16, 2016
Fanatic1 I've used the app (don't remember if I've used the fob) in an underground garage where there was no cell signal so they must be not using the cell signals to control the car.�
Feb 16, 2016
Stoneymonster You had to have cell signal, there is no other communication path right now. I have spotty cell coverage in my garage (and the car forgets about wifi) and the app rarely connects.�
Feb 16, 2016
Fanatic1 Hmm. I'll try it again next time.�
Feb 16, 2016
scottf200 You're welcome�
Feb 17, 2016
Cyclone Nah. I should have quoted LetsGoFast and BertL like you did. The point was they were seeing different experiences and I just wanted to make sure one wasn't reading "push" but thinking "pull" and mistyping. It worked out when BertL retested and found he was pressing hard enough vs. lightly touching.�
Feb 20, 2016
PaulR I have to correct "me" as I was wrong.... the on-screen release notes DO mention that the Model S can be stopped by pressing on "any button on the key fob or by pressing any Model S door handle." Though it seems a subject of debate in this forum as to how much force is needed to activate a "cancel" by pressing the door handle. Sorry for the wrong information.:redface:�
Feb 21, 2016
Lex Consumer Reports should have never been allowed to buy a Model S. They should go back to testing computerized toaster ovens IMHO.
Probably the only practical time I'll want to use Summon is to pull out of a parking garage spot so it's easier to get into the vehicle. Parking garages are not friendly to cell signals, so suggesting I rely on 2 devices to connect to 2 different mobile providers (in my case), introducing internet latency, and using that as your "dead man's switch" for safety, is a prime example of why I've never paid any attention to Consumer Reports' opinions on vehicles (or almost anything else for that matter).
Elon take their car back !�
Feb 21, 2016
tezzla Just a note on this, the latest version (2.12.45) implements this restriction, but, it's an OPTION. You can either select the "dead man" or the existing FOB. I think it's a good compromise.�
Feb 21, 2016
brianman Keep in mind, it's probably a good idea to give Tesla direct feedback that this "option" shouldn't silently go away. I plan to mention it more than once as I have a tight garage, and pretty much only put my car inside with Summon (there's not enough room to open the doors comfortably when in the garage).�
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