Oct 16, 2015
wk057
Straight stretch of private road. Didn't let it take any turns.
No weight in driver's seat, just the seat belt is buckled. I presume after this video makes its way to Tesla that this will be fixed to better use the occupancy sensor. :wink:
(Yes, the disclaimer is longer than the video itself. No, it's not super exciting.)�
Oct 16, 2015
RAW84 Hmm, I think I'm going to go try this myself:tongue:�
Oct 16, 2015
gimmi80 what... you stopped filming right before the right turn.... that would have been fun to see.�
Oct 16, 2015
qwertzy
So this is now possible?�
Oct 16, 2015
Zextraterrestrial and at that speed there is always the parking brake on the stalk for safety...pretty cool? scary? not sure :wink:�
Oct 16, 2015
Cyclone Wow. Speechless.
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Just imagine what's going to happen at TMC Connect next year! :0�
Oct 16, 2015
Stoneymonster Dude. What.�
Oct 16, 2015
MorrisonHiker The Infiniti video at full highway speeds was more impressive (and much more dangerous) than the Tesla video.�
Oct 16, 2015
Coiled Love the screen blurring and voice scrambling. You think someone was a little concerned about the legal consequences?�
Oct 16, 2015
Cyclone Legal consequences, no. Assuming he is correct that this is a private road, no laws should have been broken.�
Oct 16, 2015
whitex Just imagine what's going to happen at TMC Connect next year! :0[/QUOTE]
The same stunt with Tesla's would carry a much greater risk - one pileup of Hyundai's would probably cost as much as a single Tesla Model S ;-) Of course, the emergency breaking on Tesla would have to change to "crash avoidance" rather than "reduce impact" strategy. ;-)�
Oct 16, 2015
wk057 The nav was up full screen. The exact location isn't much of anyone's business.
Yep, I confirmed this with my attorney prior to changing the video to "Public" and posting it here.
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Yeah, there was a driver in the seat by the time that turn came up. Maybe next time.
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Wasn't going for dangerous or impressive. Was just a proof of concept. :wink: I would NEVER do this on a public road unless Tesla specifically said that the car was safe hands off...... which isn't likely to happen with these sensors.�
Oct 16, 2015
ddimit Wow Just wow, really with $100,00 plus car. People truly amaze me, and not in a good way.�
Oct 16, 2015
SW2Fiddler I like the quick pan up to the sunroof to show that Mr. Bean wasn't steering from the roof.�
Oct 16, 2015
DougH Private roads have do not pass lines in the center?�
Oct 16, 2015
Cyclone You got what I meant, but I edited my comment to "legal consequences, no" to be more clear.
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I have come across private roads that would otherwise meet all public road requirements. So yes, double yellow center lines doesn't mean it was a public road.�
Oct 16, 2015
MorrisonHiker Good to know. I guess one of these days all cars will be doing that all of the time!�
Oct 16, 2015
Coiled It was really the voice scrambling that made me LOL.
Cool proof of concept though, and you did it just about as responsibly as humanly possible. I wonder if Tesla will change it to require a driver in the seat.
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Oct 16, 2015
tom66 His car, his money comes to mind. As long as no one is injured I couldn't care if it was a self-driving Veyron concept...�
Oct 16, 2015
Coiled You think the danger was high at 18 mph on a closed course with someone ready at the parking brake? I'd guess people are taking bigger risks with AP right now, hundreds of times a day, just by driving with it.�
Oct 16, 2015
Johann Koeber Someone had to do it?
No.
Does everything possible
have to be done?
By smart people.
What is next?
(I had fun watching - nonetheless).�
Oct 16, 2015
ddimit Im actually surprised this worked. I have heard stories if you lift you butt out of the seat it drops into park. At least it did in 6.2�
Oct 16, 2015
Majerus If your going slow it will stop, the seat belt is all thats needed for autopilot.�
Oct 16, 2015
JenniferQ Now I have to go find my parking brake!�
Oct 16, 2015
brucet999 We can't see the seat. There could be a couple of sand bags there for all we know.
What is the camera on the windshield for? We don't see any video from that.�
Oct 16, 2015
donv A lot of you guys seem like you are afraid of cars, or driving. At 18mph, with someone ready to press the emergency brake, and with automatic emergency braking, this wasn't likely to do any more than, in the worst case, dent the bumper. And even that's a bit unlikely.�
Oct 16, 2015
MorrisonHiker I don't think it was that bad. The thing is others will try to do something more extreme and things will escalate out of control eventually.�
Oct 16, 2015
CHG-ON What a riot! Now I can finally sit in the back and chug beer!�
Oct 16, 2015
Electricfan I can't let this go. You're further gone than I suspected. Sorry, but that's just too crazy, even for an early adopter. Hope you do well at the home.�
Oct 16, 2015
LetsGoFast I'm not particularly concerned about wk's safety or the car's since this trick was fairly well thought out. I am very concerned that videos of this sort and of drivers eating hamburgers and looking at laptops (both of which I've seen) get more wide-spread attention that it will encourage the regulatory authorities to demand that tesla implement nag mode 24x7, which would make me very sad indeed.�
Oct 16, 2015
wk057 lol
Yeah, I'm honestly not 100% sure why that was done...
I don't know the whole story behind why this road has lane markings, honestly. It used to be gravel about 15 years ago. Then it was paved with this crappy tiny rock/tar coating that it has now to lower the dust that used to get kicked up near the interstate there. And for whatever reason lines were painted. I honestly do not know exactly why, but they're there. They weren't painted for at least the first year of it being "paved." GIS data clearly shows the land as privately owned by the person I know who owns it and owns the gate at the end of the road that meets a public road.
Yeah, just having some fun with that.
Honestly, while they might do this, I doubt it's worth the effort. The driver side seat just has a switch, not a pressure sensor. So, piece of cake to defeat with basically any object in the seat. If you're willing to click the seat belt to defeat the system you're willing to throw a weight in the seat.
For sure. I've seen some videos already that I just want to scream at the driver, "WTF WERE YOU THINKING?!"
Hold the park button on the stalk, or have the Controls->E-Brake menu up on the 17" and hold the button displayed there.
lol. I assure you the seat was empty. Video stabilization cropped out the wider view that better shows the seat. Here's a frame:
Looks like the cam was never panned down to show the entire seat... but there is definitely no one there and no sand bag. lol.
As for the GoPro on the windshield, that was an attempt at recording the instrument cluster for other testing. It was actually off at this point due to a battery issue (even though it was powered from USB).
I'm not sure if you're joking or not?
I definitely tried to think out the safest way to do it, and this was certainly the best way aside from something like a runway or otherwise more open area. Considering my passenger could have easily engaged the parking brake and/or taken the steering wheel at any time... I personally don't think there was much, if any, danger to me, my passenger, or the car... aside from maybe a hint of whiplash if the brake were engaged at that speedy 18 MPH.
As for nag mode... honestly, I've mostly been expecting such an update to happen shortly after this was released. I commented in the Firmware thread that I will no longer update my P85D until I'm assured that the update doesn't enable additional nagging or otherwise cripple paid functionality. I drove about 200 miles today. 140 of that on the interstate. I was nagged to "hold the wheel" three times on the interstate. One white overpass with no lines with tree shadows and a random puddle confused it and I got "take over immediately." I took over to dodge tire debris once. Aside from those things, the system drove for nearly 140 miles undisturbed. This is what I paid for, and if they make that impossible then I'll have a problem. People are already doing things much worse than I've done in my video. Someone using AP on public two lane windy roads at speed while holding a cell phone cam comes to mind...�
Oct 16, 2015
cgiGuy This is the kind of stuff regulators will show at their hearings. Legal or not.�
Oct 16, 2015
Max* Very cool�
Oct 16, 2015
jlucero pretty nuts, but awesome�
Oct 16, 2015
Xenoilphobe Word of the day: fe�lo�ni�ous
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- "the defendants blatant disregard for the acceptable user agreement resulted in a felonious conviction by the court"
- LAW: relating to or of the nature of felony.
- "his reckless driving conduct resulting in the death of the victim was a felonious event resulting in a minimum 10 year incarceration"
- The civil suit that followed decimated his families ability to sustain their lifestyle resulting in bankruptcy.
- It would take Law enforcement about five minutes to figure out who did this video with the electronic DNA embedded in the meta tags. (geo location, hardware MAC, Storage signature etc)
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Oct 16, 2015
wk057 lol? Law enforcement is welcome to contact me. I'll happily respond to a subpoena and let them who made the video, who was in the car, and who's property it was on with exact GPS coordinates. Good luck finding a law on the books in my state that says anything that occurred in my video was illegal when conducted on private property. It's not even illegal to talk on the phone non-handsfree here yet (in most cases). lol.�
Oct 16, 2015
Footbag A guy did something similar in an Infiniti q50, where the lane keep assist is no where near as good as the Tesla. Further he did it on a public road. At least wk will have company in the home. Nicely done wk
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Oct 16, 2015
spentan To be honest, I am proud to say I know of the forum member who recorded this video. Most wouldn't have the balls, or the idea to do this, but I'm happy you did.
I know that you have been pining for Autopilot the most wk057, so I'm happy the rollout was quick and painless.
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Oct 16, 2015
Tedkidd First cell phones, now this!
So cool.�
Oct 17, 2015
Electricfan yes I was kidding, but I can't say I think it was a good idea to post the video. Somebody will see it and try to duplicate it and get hurt. Maybe its good though, since it might cause Tesla to implement something to prevent it from being done. It shouldn't be possible - they certainly don't intend for the driver's seat to be un-occupied while the car is moving.
Yes, you said do not try this at home, etc. It won't stop them though. Does it relieve you of all responsibility? I guess that's a judgement call. I would say no.�
Oct 17, 2015
hobbes I think given the means, I would have tried it myself, but not posted it.�
Oct 17, 2015
WarpedOne I don't like all this judging going on.
wk did something that is possible with a stock car. He didn't modify it in any way and took all safety precautions necessary.
He cannot and should not be took responsible for all the morons out there who will not be so clever and cause trouble.
It is good to know the limits. And this is part of finding the them.�
Oct 17, 2015
Rice390
What the heck is everybody complaining about?? Tesla has publicly said many times they will be releasing the ability for you to summon your car on private property. And they have released videos of the car driving itself already.
Everybody needs to chill. Keep these vids coming WK. I say take it a step further and post a vid of you surfing on your driverless car.�
Oct 17, 2015
1208 I'd rather a smart person like wk do this and Tesla fix the problem fast than some stupid person do it on the main roads.�
Oct 17, 2015
tga +1. We don't need another wk bashing thread to make him rethink his rethought decision to leave TMC.�
Oct 17, 2015
CPD2601 You have balls sir, thank you for the entertainment. It was a fun video to watch�
Oct 17, 2015
JRP3 Words of the day: Private Property.
Law enforcement has no jurisdiction to impose traffic laws on private property.
I saw a movie where someone shot someone. I guess if I do the same then they would be responsible.
Explicit language disclaimer, in case someone tries to blame me for causing them to swear :wink:
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Oct 17, 2015
RAW84 Ya I'd have to agree, and with the regenerative braking, the passenger could've just grabbed the wheel and un-buckled the seatbelt and the car would come close to a stop negating the "hint of whiplash" danger as well.
Funny seeing how uptight people are being about this. Morons are gonna do what morons are gonna do, this vid isn't going motivate a moron to do something stupid...If anything, all the disclaimers may make them realize it's more dangerous than they think.
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I really don't see this as a problem. Tesla doesn't need to change a thing. There's no need to tie in the seat sensor, anyone willing to circumvent the seat belt would just circumvent the seat sensor and I don't want the AP to be disable because I fidget too much in the seat.
People determined to do stupid stuff will do it. It's not the mfg's fault if they do. I wonder if you've heard of ghost riding the whip?
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Oct 17, 2015
muleferg Call me if you need a Videographer.
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Oct 17, 2015
DougH The BMX bike and grocery cart were the best!�
Oct 17, 2015
Adm There is indeel no need to turn off AP because you fidget in your seat, yet 5 seconds without butt in seat contact should result in a reaction by the car. This time period is arbitrairy, but I am sure people smarter than myself will figure it out.�
Oct 17, 2015
wk057 Some of you guys are a trip.
After I sent the video to a friend earlier, he responded with this:
Ghost Ride The Truck - YouTube
Anyway, I don't think more of this will be going on in my car any time soon. But, was a fun trick for sure.�
Oct 17, 2015
Cyclone Idiots that do this on public roads vs. controlled conditions deserve to crash without injuring bystanders. He got exactly what he deserved. If someone wants to pull such a stunt, use a private/closed track to avoid injuring anyone else (like wk did).�
Oct 17, 2015
RAW84 As long as it's not as quick as the time that results in the car shifting to "Park" at low speeds, then fine by me.
I still say it's not something Tesla NEEDS to do. Ultimately, anyone who goes through the trouble of circumventing the seat belt rule will likely just circumvent the seat rule too. So while I'm not against incorporating the seat sensor (as long as there's little chance of false positives), I don't think it's necessary for them to do it.�
Oct 17, 2015
Xenoilphobe I would post pictures of a similar stunt, that occurred on private property, but posting a picture of my friends skull with the innards on the outside and a complete scalping resulting in over 180 stitches, a concussion, a MEDSTAR flight, a loss of vision etc...combined with a felony conviction for the driver and multiple court visits maybe upsetting to some folks.
Enjoy your videos, this is too similar to an event I witnessed first hand on private property last October that almost killed my best friend at an Octoberfest party. He didn't press charges the police did on their own. He could have bleed to death or been permanently disabled due the severity of his head injuries. Private property provides little protection from the liability that insurance companies want to off load onto you.
I hope some kids don't do a "Jackass" style movie copying your stunt.�
Oct 17, 2015
wk057 "Octoberfest party" sounds like drinking was involved. Even if not, it definitely doesn't sound like the stunt you're comparing the one in my video to was anywhere near as controlled or safely executed, especially given the apparent consequences. I find that comparison quite offensive.�
Oct 18, 2015
Fanatic Autopilot without a driver!
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Oct 18, 2015
ecarfan I believe this is already being discussed in another thread, but at the moment I can't find it.�
Oct 18, 2015
thegruf so the pressure sensor in the front seat is not detected as part of engaging AP?
bet that's in the next build�
Oct 18, 2015
efusco Someone had to do it... (Autopilot stunt)�
Oct 18, 2015
Xenoilphobe That makes two of us who are offended. Your insurance carrier is probably the only other entity that is more offended.�
Oct 18, 2015
wk057 Being the internet and all, I can't tell if you're joking or not.
I'd like you to point out how exactly my video is similar in any way to something you witnessed that resulted in some gruesome incident from a stunt your friend tried to pull. You've basically given no information about it besides it being private property and resulted in a serious injury. For all we know you're talking about your friend trying to roller blade naked while tied to a dragster... could be basically anything ridiculous that has nothing to do with anything similar to my video. If you're going to compare this controlled test with that you darn well better be able to point out how what went on in my video could possibly have resulted in the same incident you described.
Private property? Check.
Road closed to all other traffic? Check.
No bystanders in any potential path of the vehicle? Check.
Anywhere the vehicle could go at this speed that could result in injury to others? Nope. Check.
Passenger ready to brake, steer, or otherwise control the vehicle as needed for safety? Check.
Speed as low as possible 18 MPH? Check.
Tested with driver multiple times prior? Check.
Straight section of road that probably could have been done like this without autopilot in the first place? Check.
Feel free to explain how this could possibly have resulted in the gory picture you painted of your friend's incident, by all means.
I think it's pretty obvious the two scenarios are in no way comparable, and I would greatly appreciate it if you would not continue to do so because yes, it is offensive.�
Oct 19, 2015
jlucero i think the original poster has a great point...while alot of people think its dumb or dangerous, alot of people do much crazier stuff. cool stunt!�
Oct 19, 2015
eye.surgeon Interesting proof of concept. That's not a private road by the way, gate or not. It's been striped as a public road. It may run through private land. Not that I'm bothered. Autopilot even in beta is pretty amazing.�
Oct 19, 2015
muleferg Travis Pastrana Goes Skydiving Without a Parachute - Video | Red Bull Motorsports
I made 1342 parachute jumps but never had the ball's make this one.
Thats a 16 mm film camera. mounted on a football helmet. back in the 60's there were only 6 or seven film guys. How ever one has a GoPro.
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Oct 19, 2015
Andyw2100 I don't understand how you can make a blanket statement in light of the fact that wk057 has stated that he checked the GIS to confirm it was indeed privately owned, he knows the owner who has access to the gate that closes off the road, etc.�
Oct 19, 2015
Cyclone Not to mention that I've driven on roads in North Carolina that are "blue signed" for private roads, with signage stating this is not a state maintained road, but had painted lines (likely in the hopes that some days this would be a public-owned road vs. private-owned).�
Oct 19, 2015
brantse Many comments on this thread are a trip. Lighten up people. What wk did was thought out, intentional, and he certainly understood and accepted the risks.
I watched the dragtimes video this morning demonstrating AP (a video in which the driver admits to the AP getting a speeding ticket) where he touched on whether or not a seat sensor would override AP. He mentioned that he would perhaps try it out later, but considering the challenge in trying to safely remove your entire weight from the seat, what wk did is probably the safest and only realistic way to do it.�
Oct 19, 2015
Andyw2100 Interesting that you bring up that video. I've been debating on whether or not to comment in that thread. I think I'm going to, in spite of the fact that I'm certain to be flamed for doing it, and possibly for posting here as well.
fiksegts is a very highly respected member here. But he clearly does not understand the limitations of the Auto Lane Change system, and the way he describes what it does in the video could get people hurt. I need to watch that video again, and find the exact language Tesla uses to describe the drivers' responsibility when it comes to using Auto Lane Change, but for now suffice it to say that while I respect fiksegts a great deal, he got that part of his video wrong.�
Oct 19, 2015
muleferg The statement drivers must keep their hands on the steering wheel, is like a wet paint sign.
Autosteer (Beta)
Autosteer keeps the car in the current lane and engages Traffic-Aware Cruise Control to maintain the car�s speed. Using a variety of measures including steering angle, steering rate and speed to determine the appropriate operation AutoSteer assists the driver on the road, making the driving experience easier.
Tesla requires drivers to remain engaged and aware when Autosteer is enabled. Drivers must keep their hands on the steering wheel.
Auto Lane Change
Changing lanes when Autosteer is engaged is simple: engage the turn signal and Model S will move itself to the adjacent lane when it�s safe to do so.�
Oct 19, 2015
Andyw2100
I'm not sure if this is directed at me and what I said about Auto Lane Change or not, but in any case, it should be addressed.
The line quoted above is from a marketing page. The image below is from the release notes:
Note the part that says, "Check to make sure that it's safe to merge..."
That is critically important, since the Model S has no rear-facing radar, and no rear camera that interfaces with the auto pilot system. The only way the Model S "sees" anything behind it is with the ultrasonic sensors, which have a range of 16 feet. If someone doesn't check to make sure it is safe to change lanes, and a vehicle is in the lane the Model S is changing to, but travelling at a significantly higher speed than the Model S, there will be a problem, as the Model S will begin to merge into the path of that vehicle.
Tesla is partially responsible for the confusion about this feature because in some of the marketing material, as seen above, they do make it sound as simple as just having to engage the turn signal. Some of the articles that were written just after the Auto Lane Keeping Beta release also made it sound like the Model S would only change lanes if it was safe to do so. But that definitely is not the case!
As more informed consumers, we need to educate others.�
Nov 3, 2015
Andyw2100 Pretty sure Musk just referred to this video in the earnings call, both in his comment about "crazy things people are doing" and with respect to the restrictions they'd be adding! You're famous! (Or infamous!)�
Nov 3, 2015
wk057 Yeah, heard that. Then I checked to see if anyone else had done videos of anything similar and didn't see any. So yeah, almost certainly referring to me. lol�
Nov 3, 2015
Zextraterrestrial Elon should send you something special for pointing out the deficiency in AP safety. a 90 battery swap perhaps :wink:
you did make the video very safely�
Nov 3, 2015
thegruf @wk057 yup. you just spoiled it for eveyone :biggrin:
I'm thinking more that they may wall off certain roads/junctions which are patently unsuitable for AP use.�
Nov 3, 2015
Khatsalano You did the right thing. White hat skills.
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Nov 3, 2015
S4WRXTTCS In some ways this might be a good thing because the solution to this video is an easy one, and it won't cause any lose of functionality.
The solution to the other videos is going to be a lot more constrictive.�
Nov 3, 2015
bonnie I'm not as amused as all of you, sorry.
Wk, your video was definitely done safely, with all sorts of disclaimers. But there are plenty of fools that watched it and undoubtedly thought 'cool, I can do that too!' and won't have the same safeguards in place when they make their version. Think of all the kids doing their own Jackass video versions. Lots got hurt. And this fledgling autopilot program cannot afford the bad publicity from someone doing stupid things on the freeway or urban streets.
So there we are. Undoubtedly your video was seen, along with many others. And undoubtedly Tesla has decided to put some constraints into the system to prevent the behavior. Disappointing, but predictable. It's a shame.�
Nov 3, 2015
Andyw2100 If the result of wk057's video is that Tesla requires weight in the driver's seat for Autopilot to function, preventing those who would be less safe than wk057 from taking risks, isn't that a good thing? None of us will be in any way inconvenienced by the weight sensor in the driver's seat being utilized to prevent the car from operating without a driver. That's actually something Tesla should have thought of and taken care of before releasing the software. wk057's video may just help Tesla do something they should have done on their own, in the first place.
Any other features of autopilot that Tesla constrains I think would almost certainly be the result of other videos.
Take, for example, the video of the Fox reporter pretending to read a book while driving, with a Tesla employee in the passenger seat. While I recognize that the Tesla employee was put in a really difficult position once on the air, and honestly have no idea what I might have done if put in that position, the clip does not help the whole "use autopilot responsibly" message Tesla is attempting to send out.
[video]http://video.foxnews.com/v/4583711790001/testing-teslas-self-driving-cars/?#sp=show-clips[/video]
It's videos like the one above, filmed with a Tesla employee riding shotgun, that could be the reason parts of the autopilot we actually care about wind up being constrained.�
Nov 3, 2015
wk057 Well, part of the intent behind my video was to show that the seat occupancy sensor wasn't used at all with autopilot, just the seat belt sensor. I'd much rather have my controlled experiment posted showing this than someone less prepared testing it out.
As for the idiots who are just doing stupid things to be stupid, they're going to do them regardless, so I think my video has a net-zero effect on stupidity.
Tesla should probably incorporate the occupancy sensor with autopilot in some fashion. Obviously we don't want autopilot disengaging when someone fidgets in their seat, but if the sensor is open for an extended period it probably indicates the driver has disappeared. Perhaps it could trigger the "Hold the Steering Wheel" warning after a second or two of no occupancy, which would seem sane.�
Nov 4, 2015
1208 I don't think it was 100% down to you...
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Nov 4, 2015
JRP3 Seriously, there are many much scarier videos than the one wk posted.�
Nov 4, 2015
caps04 I have never been more infuriated by an Auto-Stupid video than this one.�
Nov 4, 2015
wk057 Alright, I stand corrected. lol.
Unfortunately I don't see an easy fix for this kind of stupid.�
Nov 4, 2015
Cyclone There have been many times while driving around that I see such stupid that I mutter to myself why won't Darwin let this car get in a one-person accident that doesn't hurt anyone other than the idiot driver.�
Nov 4, 2015
palmer_md yep, this is the video I thought of when they mentioned the stupid use of autopilot. I agree this will be hard to program a solution to in the car's software.�
Nov 4, 2015
Krugerrand Most reasonable and rational people don't think: "Hmm....I wonder if this (AP) will work with me in the back seat? Let's find out." Instead, they simply use the feature as intended. In specific terms of 'isn't that a good thing'...I'm of the opinion that *too stupid to live* is effective birth control and thus good for the human race.
If the OP thought it important information for Tesla, he could have simply contacted Tesla privately and told them that the AP was functional without a driver in the seat/functional if the driver shifted/released weigh off the seat.�
Nov 4, 2015
Andyw2100 The problem is that the "too stupid to live" people that may want to try autopilot from the back seat unsafely could really hurt Tesla if Tesla doesn't protect them from themselves.
Sure he could have. But it wouldn't have been as dramatic, and I expect not as much fun for him. (Edit--Based on his post below, apparently he did both--notified Tesla and made the video!)
My main point was that any autopilot functionality we lose that actually matters to us will not be due to wk057's video. We probably will lose the ability to drive from the back seat, due to his video, as well we should. Anything else that changes is almost certainly because of other videos that are out there, and the changes will have had nothing to do with wk057's video.�
Nov 4, 2015
wk057 lol.
I don't think you'll find a bigger fan of Darwinism than I when it comes to people being stupid and paying the price. But clearly you have me in the wrong category in that regard.
And you incorrectly assume that I didn't contact Tesla about the occupancy sensor usage.�
Nov 4, 2015
Max* The back seat has seatbelts�
Nov 4, 2015
bonnie So if I understand correctly, wk claims to have notififed Tesla over his concern (though I'm sure they were aware, just held the erroneous opinion that people wouldn't do that), but then decided to make the video to really stress how important it was with the hope that no one else would try to imitate him.
Maybe it's just me, but I missed that message in the video. Probably just me.�
Nov 4, 2015
Krugerrand I wasn't actually thinking of you specifically when I wrote the part about 'most reasonable and rational people'. So clearly you have me wrong. If there's ever any doubt what I'm thinking, you can ask me specifically either on the forum or in a PM. I'm also open to clarifying any points I may not have expressed clearly enough.
I made no such assumption. I stated that you could have 'simply contacted Tesla privately', as in done *just that* rather than post a video of the activity - and here's the important part of the dialogue between me and Andyw2100 - if your intent was to help Tesla, as he suggested.
Context and reference is important.
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Or not. Tesla seems to do just fine on its own in regards to legal 'stuffs'.
Right, so no intent to help Tesla.�
Nov 4, 2015
Andyw2100 Your initial point about the "too stupid to live" people was that you were fine with Tesla leaving things as they were, and letting those people's stupidity end their lives. At least that's what I inferred from:
My point was that if those stupid people choose to kill themselves, and possibly others, by doing stupid things in Tesla autopilot enabled cars, DRIVING FROM THE BACK SEAT that would not be good for Tesla.
I'm not suggesting Tesla would be legally responsible. But there's just no way that the publicity from something like that would help Tesla. Public opinion would not be, "Cool--Tesla is helping keep the population down, Darwin-style. What a great company." Sure, a few people may feel that way, but that's not where the general public's feelings on the matter would settle.�
Nov 4, 2015
mspisars The problem here is they are driving the safest car on the road for occupants!�
Nov 4, 2015
Tupelo IMO, one of the smartest things Tesla could do here is immediately stop marketing this as "Auto Pilot" (which it isn't) and rebrand it as "Driver Assist" (which it is.) Auto Pilot conveys the wrong message about functionality. Cars don't have pilots, they have drivers. Auto Pilot, which is primarily an aviation concept, generally encompasses a significantly different and more complex feature set than the driver assist features of the Tesla.�
Nov 4, 2015
Krugerrand Tesla did just fine with the whole battery-on-you-know-what and recall-that-wasn't-technically-a-recall-recall and Broder-runs-out-of-charge-fiasco and on and on the list goes. Somebody doing something stupid expressly against the very obvious stated parameters of AP isn't going to suddenly harm Tesla in an appreciable way. It'll get headlines, get people chawing at each other, maybe add some volatility to the stock price, but otherwise it'll be free advertisement and another teaching moment for the world about Tesla.
This thread, the video, or the OP's actions were never about helping Tesla avoid bad publicity or any other noble 'for Tesla' intent.�
Nov 4, 2015
mspisars Uhm, no!
Auto Pilot is the correct term and is derived from aviation... where the captain or first officer has to be ready to take over the controls at all times.
Plus Auto Pilot allows for a good/smooth transition to autonomous driving�
Nov 4, 2015
mobe I agree 100% with this statement.�
Nov 9, 2015
Cyclone The copycats are really going to mess it up for everyone else. At least wk057 didn't potentially risk the unsuspecting public!
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