Nov 7, 2011
AnOutsider Looks like roof rack mounts�
Nov 7, 2011
NigelM Great pics - Thanks Doug.
Those 4 little "doors" on the roof look like anchor points for a roof-rack.
P.S. Why are the people wearing winter coats? It was 24C yesterday. :wink:�
Nov 7, 2011
Doug_G I doubt they are roof rack attachment points, because as I recall Tesla has been saying the Pano roof is not compatible with roof racks.
And yes, the weather has been beautiful...�
Nov 7, 2011
AnOutsider Where? I don't remember hearing anything (in the positive or negative) about them.�
Nov 7, 2011
NigelM Tesla had originally said that the standard roof should accommodate a roof rack. We all took this to mean that the pano-roof wouldn't. An update from the Tesla forum:
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Nov 7, 2011
Doug_G Curious... running the length of the roof? If the little doors I saw are the attachment points, then they're a lot smaller.�
Nov 7, 2011
NigelM No question, there's a hundred different ways for roof-racks to attach to cars. But the post on the TM forum quotes a sales rep, so that at least suggests the option is there.�
Nov 7, 2011
Albern Interesting thing about the roof rack. I was at the Toronto event on both Saturday and Sunday, I even took a picture of an attachment point with the door open; I'll post it when I get home. Hans told me that the roof rack would only be compatible with the Pano roof and not the standard roof.
I was just going through the Model S Design Studio on the TM website and if the picture of the standard roof is indicative of production I can see how Hans' statement would be true. There aren't any running tracks to accommodate the bolt points.�
Nov 7, 2011
Mycroft Yes, they're roof rack attachment points. You'll find the same exact attachment points on Porsche vehicles including the Panamera. Of course I don't know if you can use the Porsche system with the Model S.
Panamera Roof Transport System
I think it's fantastic that they were able to engineer them into the frame whether the pano roof was there or not.�
Nov 7, 2011
Mycroft How strange is that? We originally get word from Tesla that roof racks will only work if you don't get the pano roof and now they're saying they work only if you *get* the pano roof. Seems to me it would be just as easy to engineer the rails so they were the same regardless of the roof type preferred.
Guess we'll just have to wait and see.�
Nov 7, 2011
tdelta1000 Cool... TM is catering to a wide ranging customer base. I will have no need for them.�
Nov 7, 2011
Mycroft Same here. While I did want the option and I might buy it in the future, the local Lowe's $20 rental will do for now. After all, $500 will buy a lot of rentals!�
Nov 7, 2011
Albern Here are two pics I captured of the rack mounts:
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Nov 7, 2011
Robert.Boston I'd hate to do long-distance hauling with roof racks, but I can see wanting them to take sea kayaks off to a different point on the coast or inland to a lake. Short-haul, no highways, and a payload that simply won't fit inside a Model S.�
Aug 12, 2012
efusco So, any confirmation if the rook rack attachment points are just on the pano roof of both pano and regular yet? Can't believe I missed this thread.�
Aug 12, 2012
KBF I could be confusing this with the Sat radio option, but I seem to recall them saying from the beginning that only the pano roof supports racks; it was significant because I wasn't planning to get the pano, and took note. They fixed the Sat issue, but this seems like more of a structural deal.�
Aug 13, 2012
raptorweb At the Chicago event I only saw them on the pano roof cars but I didn't take any pictures of them.�
Aug 13, 2012
Mycroft They were only the beta cars of course, but none of the non-pano roofed cars had them, while all of the panos did have them.�
Aug 13, 2012
gg_got_a_tesla Looked at the solid black roof on the sunset red car on display at Palo Alto yesterday; it's more of a post-beta, close-to-production car manufactured back in mid-June for the Fremont event. It didn't have such anchor points.�
Aug 13, 2012
ModelS1079 Reviewed this with Tesla NYC 25th Street Friday - their Beta has Pano roof and the attach poaints, exactly as pictured on red car in a post above. The little doors open and the attachpoints are underneath, as pictured. They are apparently Mercedes mounts and can use the Mercedes rack(s) - this is per the Specialist onsite. Sadly, I failed to note whether they were on the White Plains Beta, which has NO pano roof...�
Aug 13, 2012
teslasguy No thanks.
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Aug 13, 2012
teslasguy Oops. Didn't mean for the "no thanks" post. My bad.
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Aug 13, 2012
jkirkebo It looks like the Thule system described here:
http://www.thule.com/pdf.axd?ext=\Classification_1_root\Image_Hierarchy\ImageFolder_175958\ImageFolder_339634\183049_506-3049-05.pdf�
Aug 13, 2012
ModelS1079 Very cool. Thanks.�
Aug 14, 2012
hvb The PDF did say, though, that this kit was only for vehicles with fixpoint and without a glass roof. Are there racks compatible with such a large panoramic roof?�
Aug 15, 2012
rbergquist Since I use Thule rack for my other cars, I went to their web site and posted the following.
I got back the following reply today:
I'm hoping Tesla has been working with the Thule engineering staff and the word hasn't yet filtered out. My car is scheduled for Oct/Nov so I'll keep checking...�
Aug 15, 2012
grisnjam At the Austin Test Drive today a Rep indicated to me that only the panoramic roof will have the roof rack anchor points.�
Aug 15, 2012
heems It's the same exact system on my CLS... I can send pics of the rack on the car if interested... It's a tool-free install and remove as well which I really like. I use it to take my mountain bike to local trails...�
Aug 16, 2012
VolkerP Yes please do so. We plan to do many visits to friends with most seats occupied. A roof rack with a cargo container is essential for overnight luggage.�
Aug 16, 2012
NigelM 31.6 cubic ft. of storage is not enough for "overnight"?:wink:
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Aug 16, 2012
VolkerP Apologies on my choice of words. Overnight is in fact our worst case, having to carry bed time wear, toys, spare clothes, and teddy bears for all the kids. One-day visit (returning same day) is more relaxed. The frunk may be spacious but I'd love to try out if it holds 3 of our trolleys.�
Aug 16, 2012
Robert.Boston Ah, the days of traveling with young children. I'm so glad those are over, at least until we have grandkids.�
Aug 16, 2012
heems Starting out:
Flips open:
The base which you can simply screw with your hand or using the plastic built-in flipper
You then add the rack of your choice (Bike/Ski/etc.) to the base - again no tools needed. The attachement has screw knobs that connect with the base:
And the final product:
I bought this from MB but I think Thule is the actual manufacturer. I would suspect the TM version will be just about the same.�
Aug 16, 2012
PhatCat That is very cool. I would never have thought to use something like this until seeing how easy it is. Thanks for posting.�
Aug 16, 2012
dbullard Before you put your bike on top of your nice, new, shiny S, consider what I did this weekend. I managed to drive my car into the garage - with my brand-new (3 weeks!) carbon-fiber bike still on top. Needless to say, the bike did not survive intact - the forks were literally ripped in two (the fork ends clamp into the rack in this type of rack):
The rack itself was also trashed, but the crossbars attaching it to my Audi were OK - the front ones pulled off (bending some of the trim, but not too badly). The real damage came from the bike falling on the car, making broad scratches on the trunk and side panel.
The good news? It happened to my old car, not my S (got a while to wait for that).
Now, I'm an engineer. Mistakes do happen, the important thing is to learn from them and to share the knowledge. There were fatigue factors which led up to this, but I want a foolproof way of preventing myself from ever doing it again.
So, what I did was to take the remnants of the forks (still attached to the rack!), saw the ends off, and glued a piece of wood across the ends. Seal and paint the wood (with the word "BIKE" in nice, big letters), now I've got a placeholder which fits into the rack when the bike's not there - when I do put the bike in, then I hang the placeholder from the garage door.
It is now impossible for me to drive into the garage without hitting the sign first.
Something to think about - it doesn't stop me from doing this in a parking garage, but they usually have something dangling to let you know the minimum clearance.
I absolutely cringe when I think I might have done this to my S... that'd be enough to make a grown man cry.�
Aug 17, 2012
heems Ouch. Sorry to hear this... I am also always trying to tell myself not to forget the bike is up there. I have found that it helps a lot if I pull back the shade on the sunroof so whatever is on the roof is in my peripheral vision. When the sunroof shade is closed, often I forget there's something attached and get caught off guard (thankfully when I do remember and not after hitting something).�
Aug 17, 2012
Mycroft Ouch! That's almost as bad as backing into your own car because you're so used to backing out of the garage without looking and you forgot that you parked your second car in front of the garage door for one reason or another. The habits we get into...�
Aug 17, 2012
Robert.Boston Presumably these Thule mounts are the right ones for the Model S, but the lingering concern is whether the overlap onto the roof interferes with the pano roof opening. Not a big deal if it did -- you just have to remember not to try to open the pano while you have the racks mounted. It would be nice if there was some "Pano Lock" function that would force you to do an extra screen-tap before opening the pano. It's always easier to remember to do something (set the Pano Lock when you mount the roof rack) than to not do something (don't open the Pano when the rack is mounted).�
Aug 17, 2012
ModelS1079 Dbullard, great pics and thanks for your humility. Forgot to fully secure a bike on the roof years ago and it bounced down route 95. By the time I got to it - someone had picked it up and stolen it. Go figure. I have found that if, immediately upon putting the bike on top of the car, I take the garage remote OFF the sunshade and put it in the glove compartment, when I return I wonder where the remote is, curse, then remember where - and why - and thank my former self. But...hard to take out the Homelink function every time I leave with a bike on the roof of my Model S !�
Aug 24, 2012
VolkerP I wonder if there is a sensor that inhibits operating the pano roof when the roof rack mount points are occupied?�
Aug 24, 2012
AndyM Why? The rack should be mounted high enough to permit the roof to open and operate normally. The mounts are sufficiently distant from the roof in the horizontal direction; the rack should provide any needed vertical clearance. The roof mounts are very low-tech... they are simple doors covering simple metal threaded holes. I predict the answer is "no sensors."
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Those latches look identical to those found on the pano roof Model S.�
Nov 23, 2012
sublimaze1 So has anyone officially, firmly, and positively identified that the Thule Kit 3049 is the right kit for the Model S? I assume the hard points are a standard screw size, but I have always been happy with Thule.
Either way, need to know about pano roof clearance, hard point compatibility, etc.
Thanks
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Nov 23, 2012
Jkam When my car was delivered a few days ago, I asked the delivery specialist about the roof rack. He said that Tesla is working with Thule. It should be ready for release soon. It will be available on the Tesla store website.�
Nov 23, 2012
sublimaze1 Excellent. That bodes well for the foot screws (bolts) to be the same size. We should have our choice (e.g. yakima, Thule, etc.) if we have a standard screw hole.�
Dec 4, 2012
heems Not sure if this has been mentioned - It seems the roof rack is only available with Pano. The solid roofs don't have the mounts. I don't want a $1500 mount.�
Dec 5, 2012
jerry33 The mount is free, you pay the $1500 so that adults can sit in the back.�
Dec 5, 2012
sublimaze1 LOL - Sometimes the truth (and its wording) is the funniest !!!!�
Jan 29, 2013
hvb Has anyone found a roof rack for Model S?
I'll be receiving my Model S soon and am curious if Tesla is coming out with a roof rack anytime soon. Has anyone found an aftermarket one compatible with the pano roof mounts?�
Jan 29, 2013
ElSupreme I have a Thule rack currently (their fork mount bike racks were by far better than Yakima when I bought mine in 2005). Their site doesn't have any 'official' feet for the Model S as of now. A quick look shows that Yakima does have a fitment for the Model S (Including clamp feet for those with the solid roof).
I worked at an REI and sold a LOT of roof racks. Both Yakima and Thule are good. I prefer the Thule ones personally, mostly due to their bike mounts being easier and better in my opinion. That and a huge preference towards the rectangular bars versus round for randoms loads being strapped down.
I wouldn't buy a 'factory system' even if they are made by Thule (who make VW/Audi, and MB factory equipment racks) or Yakima. The after market systems, especially the cross bars are MUCH BETTER. And they mount identically to a factory solution.
I have a request in to Thule to see if they have a foot for their 'mount point' tower on the Model S. And I hope my 58" cross bars are wide enough.�
Jan 29, 2013
hvb I'm more interested in transporting skis. I've never had to use a roof rack, because our Saab has a passthru in the backseat. I wish the S had that. Please update when you hear back from Thule.�
Jan 29, 2013
NigelM This inflatable roof rack could be a consideration if you're only transporting skis: http://www.handiworld.com/handirack/handirack.html�
Jan 29, 2013
ElSupreme Just got a response from Thule (pronounced Too-Lee, not Th-ule) not what I was hoping for:
I would send them an email (you have to setup an account :frown:
Yakima Fit My Car: Automated Vehicle Rack Guide�
Jan 29, 2013
hvb On occasion we may want to move other things too, but thanks for the heads up. If nothing else, it's more compact and less expensive than your average roof rack.
Wondering whether I should wait for Thule to come up with a Model S rack. Ski season will probably be over before I finally get the new car, so maybe that's what I'll do. Thanks for the help, guys!�
Jan 29, 2013
JohnQ Seasucker has a vacuum solution that is effective, though there is no specific ski solution--bikes and boards right now.�
Jan 29, 2013
ElSupreme I'm probably going to wait for a Thule solution. I don't really need the roof rack at the moment the inside of the car is so big. But for Lowes runs I think a roof rack would be prudent. I have a bunch of Thule bike racks and wheel forks and the correct sized cross bars. All I would need is feet. But if they don't get a rack in a year or so I will probably break down and get Yakima feet and cross bars. My Thule stuff can hang on square or round bars.�
Feb 6, 2013
Robert.Boston For skis, popping down the 1/3-section of the back seat opens up enough space. You lose seating for 5, but you'd lose that with a pass-through ski bag, too.�
Feb 6, 2013
hvb I don't know if that would work with two kids. Wonder if I could fit skis under their feet, since there's no transmission tunnel.�
Feb 6, 2013
pxy Have you tried asking service? I think they have a solution that was tested.�
Feb 6, 2013
hvb Really? Where did you hear that?�
Feb 7, 2013
Robert.Boston Folding down the 1/3-section leaves two full-size seats in the rear, more than ample for kids. They might fit transversely, as you suggest, depending on how long the skis are. My nordics certainly won't fit there.�
Feb 10, 2013
Francis Lau As biking season is starting up and both my daughter and I are rearing to go. I went to REI today and bought the Yakima system. Here is what I bought:
1. Control Tower ( Set of 4)
2. Landing Pad 11 (Set of 4)
3. 58" Crossbars (Set of 2)
4. Viper Bike Rack (2 for 2 bikes)
Pics below:
It totaled $503 before tax.
Now I am also doing more research and it seems like Yakima has a more aerodynamic system call the Whispbar that I like better but it does not have a fit kit for the Model S yet. You can see the video here:
Hmmm... now I am not sure what I should do. I heard the normal Thule and Yakima bars are quite noisy. Does anyone have insights or opinion on the wind noise? I am concerned since I have the pano roof and sound probably comes through more than a solid roof.
Maybe I will mount the system I bought carefully and see how it looks and sounds.�
Feb 11, 2013
ElSupreme Good choice on bike mounts. I really like fork mounts. I tend not to like the 'aero' rack bars. They are generally not nearly as strong or durable as the heavy steel bars you get standard.
As for noise I don't think the 'aero' bars are going to help much. But yes roof racks do produce a ton of noise (why I have never had a sunroof until now). The only thing that can really reduce the noise is getting a front faring for the rack. Back when I was selling these things, at REI, (2001-2005) the recent Toyota Sienna noise level would go from howling to almost silent. But it really depends on your setup. It won't make it worse, but might not help. It will help with 'aero' a little bit.
Generally REI will return anything, so put a faring on your car drive it a couple of times and return it if it doesn't help. I think it will. Plus it make the rack look so much better.
Yakima 50" Fairing accessories Rack System
You need to make sure this is the correct width. I imagine the 50" is correct, but didn't check at all.
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I recommend mounting your roof rack. And seeing if it produces too much noise. Then add on a faring to see if it helps. I only recommended fairings for looks, and to people with Toyota Siennas when they first bought their racks.�
Feb 12, 2013
aaron.s All -
Had my Torklift Central Eco Hitch installed this weekend. Added a thread with pictures of it and my Saris Freedom bike rack attached. A much nicer solution (in my opinion) than a roof rack and having to put bikes up on top of the Model S.
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/13787-Torklift-Central-Eco-Hitch-Installed-Pictures
Aaron�
Feb 13, 2013
digitaltim @aaron where did you have it done?�
Feb 13, 2013
aaron.s Tim
AutoBody shop.... One of my clients owns one in Brooklyn and installed it for me... Also had the cars front end (and full hood) wrapped as well.... Torklift Central were the ones that said to go to an AutoBody shop.
Aaron�
Feb 17, 2013
wagabu Do you know if the modification affects Tesla warranties at all. Looks awesome. I have a Kuat NV Rack that would go perfect on a rear 2" hitch.�
Feb 27, 2013
GaryRudolph I'm waiting on the car to see, but from Yakima it looks like you can use the BMW 1 Series to find a fitment (except width of the bars) for Thule. Based on that For Thule AeroBlade bars you'd buy the following:
* 460R Rapid Podium Foot Pack
* ARB60 60" AeroBlade Load Bar Pair (Or maybe the ARB53 53", but won't know until sizing it up)
* KIT 3039
I'll see when it comes in and have to go through it.�
Feb 28, 2013
ElSupreme THE FIT KITS ARE CAR SPECIFIC! DO NOT EXPECT A BMW 1 SERIES FITMENT TO WORK!
Seriously another car's fit kit are highly unlikely to fit the Model S. They are custom shaped plastic, and rubber feet that contour to the roof of the vehicle. Right now I would go Yakima (who has a Tesla Model S fitment, for both roofs even), or wait for Thule. And please send Thule a request for 'Model S' fitment. They DO LISTEN to requests. The more requests the sooner they will have a fitment.
I am waiting for a Thule Solution, as I like their cross bars much better than Yakima. And personally I think the 'aero' cross bars are crap, and a gimmick I recommend the stupid heavy plastic wrapped steel ones. And Yakima has a 58" crossbar fitment, so I assume Thule will be the same. You can always get longer bars, but being as short as the Model S is, I would not recommend getting longer. Your head will pay for in eventually. Bonus for me I already have 58" bars.�
Mar 8, 2013
wagabu Super simple install with the Yakima. Pano opens perfectly, I was concerned about the curve in the center but it clears pretty decently. No sound issues at high speeds (but I don't drive fast). Will probably add another two racks and wheel mounts when the racing season kicks in.
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Mar 10, 2013
Robert.Boston Could you please provide the specific info about the Yakima mounts?�
Mar 10, 2013
Francis Lau I installed the Yakima rack that is similar to yours but I ran into a few issues. Did you experience them?
1. If I tighten the front landing pads (landing pad #11) really securely, I could not fit the brackets into them. I had to loosen them a little and then it worked. The back ones did not have this issue. The front ones, relative to each other, had more curvature to deal with when I tried to mount the cross bars.
2. I had a lot of wind noise at 60-70 MPH. I drove it without the bike rack on, just the cross bars
I decided that I will get the Tork Eco Hitch installed instead.
I am glad it worked for you�
Jun 8, 2013
setritt any update on how the bike racks are working? i'm thinking about buying a bike for the first time and need some way to get it to the closest greenway.�
Jun 8, 2013
Jason S I've read reports saying the bike simply fits in the back. Seems about right; just take off the front wheel.�
Jun 9, 2013
Chris That's exactly how I do it:
Twitter / christischer: @TeslaMotors Going for a ride ...
(I now have a Lloyd's rubber mat instead of the tarp)
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Jun 9, 2013
dflye While I've thrown a few bikes sans wheels in the back to go riding with son on multiple occasions, for me it is a pain to remove the wheels (even though they are quick release!) and put them back on when we get to the trailhead. I end up removing the rear wheels as well as the front to make it easier to fit 2 in the trunk, so end up getting grease on me multiple times, leading to prolific swearing and gnashing of teeth! Definitely ready for a roof rack option.�
Jun 9, 2013
dmsail My son and I installed the Torklift hitch with a 2" receiver. We use it with a 1up-USA bike rack. We have only used it a couple of times but we really like it and it is way easier than putting both our bikes in the back.�
Jun 9, 2013
ModelS1079 Thanks, all, for the feedback above - Torklift, Yakima, wait for Thule - hmmm...
Torklift sounds like a pretty invasive install, but best outcome. Airbag and warranty issues? Waiting for clarity there.
Yakima simple and effective, but...
I once had a bike ripped from the roof of my minivan as I pulled into garage after a long trip home.
I have images of pano-roof shards everywhere, making just a mess out of the garage. But could increase pano roff square footage.
Thanks again, All -�
Jun 28, 2013
dmsail
I did not experience the fit problems that you describe. Everything seems to fit pretty well. I don't use it with a bike rack. I intend to use it with a cargo box. I put in a couple of sleeping bags and went for a test drive and it doesn't seem excessively noisy up to 70 - 75 mph. I don't know about the reduction in range. I would think that it would be pretty noticeable but maybe better than bike racks.�
Jul 17, 2013
felixtb at least the Thule aero bars make MUCH less notice than their square ones and they are quite strong. we have thule's largest roof box that we FILL every year for summer vacation. and the bars have no problems handling that�
Jul 25, 2013
DFibRL8R How does a cargo box work with the rear hatch? Aren't there clearance issues with the lift gate banging into the cargo box? I'm looking to get a system to increase storage for longer road trips but had this concern.�
Jul 25, 2013
ElSupreme A lot of this has to do with the box you choose, and its length. And you could limit the opening of the rear lift gate to not interfere. I would think you could get anything but a long ski box on the roof without much problem.�
Aug 27, 2013
4SUPER9 Resurrecting this thread.
I really like the look of the Yakima Whispbar. I called Yakima and they were useless on the phone. I told them of the set-up mentioned above (using the #11 landing base, etc), and they had no clue. Has anyone had any luck with Whispbar on similar appearing roof rack? These would look so much better considering I'll have them up there for 4-5 months out of the year.�
Nov 21, 2013
detlefo I installed whisbar rack on my model s http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/23959-Yakima-Whisbar-Rack-on-Model-S. I have modified it since posting to get the box level and to elliminate under bar attachements. I will update my post in the next few days with details and new photos. PM me if you want details.�
Jan 17, 2014
gg_got_a_tesla Now available (or atleast, coming soon) for $519:
Shop Tesla Gear Model S Whispbar Roof Rack System�
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