Jun 25, 2014
tomas Was looking through Tesla Gear, and even though this is listed as "replacement wall connector cable organizer for HPWC", it works just fine as organizer for the UMC.
edit: ADDED UMC body holder thanks VERY much to UberEV1 and his 3D printer!
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Jun 25, 2014
GoBlue88 Yep. I ordered it around the same time I ordered my MS85. It now proudly organizes my UMC in my garage with it plugged into a NEMA 14-50, just like yours! Not sure why Tesla markets it only as a "replacement wall connector cable organizer" when it works great as well for those of use who went the 14-50 route.�
Jun 25, 2014
MikeC Yep, just got this a couple weeks ago after I moved to a new house. It's great.�
Jun 25, 2014
smsprague Is it okay to hang the UMC charger unit like that from a plug?�
Jun 25, 2014
LMB (LMB spouse)
@smsprague - I was told by the local Tesla Service Center not to let the UMC electronics module hang from the plug. They recommended a bracket from Home Depot which worked fine for us, but would be harder to mount on a concrete wall.�
Jun 25, 2014
smsprague Good idea - do you remember what the bracket was - pick my Tesla up Saturday�
Jun 25, 2014
GoBlue88 Huh. Then why does the NEMA 14-50 install instruction sheet from Tesla say to put the outlet at least 18" off the floor when there is less than 18" between the plug and the electronics module, ensuring that the module can't rest on the floor? Based on the directions, there is no choice but to let it hang. Nothing in the directions say to NOT let it hang.�
Jun 25, 2014
KenN On the floor, you can trip, fall, or have pets/kids. Makes sense to put it up high. Also makes sense to not let it hang from the plug. It could tilt the plug, add transfer resistance, build heat, etc.�
Jun 25, 2014
MarkR My UMC plug is so tight in the 14-50 socket that it takes two hands to plug or unplug. I don't expect it'll tilt out any time soon.�
Jun 25, 2014
ecarfan I got one of this for Christmas, but frankly the plastic garden hose holder was Target works just as well and is a fraction of the cost.�
Jun 25, 2014
Josh_k I really don't understand that factory directive. While I have an HPWC I also installed a 14-50 (as a backup and for my next Teslabut placed it just a foot off the floor. I see no problem with having a bit of cable on the floor.
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Jun 25, 2014
Josh_k Perhaps mine works better.
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Jun 25, 2014
tomas Forgot most important picture lol
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Jun 26, 2014
GoBlue88 Does target garden hose hanger have a notch for plug?? Nay�
Jun 26, 2014
TurboFroggy Agreed, there is no way the plug is gonna tilt.
I'm just curious as to why Tesla doesn't state anywhere in the documentation to not let the module hang, if indeed one shouldn't do that.
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$25 isn't that much, it looks good, and it has a notch to hold the plug end.�
Jun 26, 2014
scaesare I just ordered one of these:http://shop.quickchargepower.com/UMC-Wall-Mount-UMCWM.htm
Looks like a good solution and makes the umc easily removable.�
Jun 26, 2014
Rik I agree that the NEMA 14-50 adapter isn't going to tilt out of the wall receptacle. The 5-15 will if you have to plug it in to an outlet that's some height off the ground though.
The issue I've always had with letting the UMC "Body" dangle has been more with the stress it puts on the interface between UMC cable-plug and the adapter that fits in to it. That interface has had issues in the past (hence the adapter replacement program), and the pins in there are only barely adequate for the current[1].
Leaving that weight unsupported increases the likelihood of stress on that interface and some unwelcome play developing there. It's one of the reasons I carry a couple of velcro straps and a small bungie in my UMC case.. I've used them to support the UMC a couple of times on trips. Not to mention they serve double-duty in allowing for a tidy UMC cable when you coil it up.
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Jun 26, 2014
tomas How about this?
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Jun 26, 2014
PhilBa Hmmm. perfect complement to the organizer to protect UMC body and plug/adapter. Thanks.
Will probably get this too, although I've got to say this: I've had 1 UMC for 17 months now. It has hung from socket at one house, and dangled off boulder retaining wall at other... every single day and night for over 500 days. NO problems with plug, adapter, UMC function... anything. Maybe that good fortune is the quid pro quo for my A battery pack!?!?
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1/1/2015
guest On the HPWC hanger. This isn't the most well designed thing in the world. First, some units (mine did, others saw it too) have a problem that the connection between the wall plate and the hanger itself has tabs that latch. The only way to unlatch the hanger from the plate is to pry the tabs out a bit. Unfortunately, with the plate screwed into the wall, you can't do that so you'd be stuck having to pound if off the plate if you wanted to move it. I just broke my tabs off and gravity holds it in place just fine.
The second thing is that the charging wand ("nozzle") doesn't latch, it just uses friction to stay in the hanger. It won't sit straight in the hanger because of the cable and often won't stay because of this. You have to fiddle with it and it doesn't look tidy. I wish they had made it positively latching. As such, I would probably have opted for some sort of hose hanger and just let the wand dangle.�
Jun 26, 2014
plaeuschler European version works perfectly with garden tools hook :
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Jun 26, 2014
Morristhecat I've always wanted some sort of enclosure for the umc so i can securely bolt it to the wall to avoid theft, since I park in a carport. Anyone seen that sort of thing? Otherwise I will continue to plug/unplug it every day.�
Jun 26, 2014
KenN Have a look at the photos of my setup - reply #15 of this thread --> Anti-theft solutions for UMC in public garage? - Page 2
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I would think that shouldn't be a problem. The adapter clicks into place with a mechanical "switch", and the only way to remove the adapter is by pressing the button to release it. As long as the outlet is installed such that the plug's stress relief angles straight down, all mechanical stress will be on that switch. So I don't anticipate any stress going through to conductors and connectors.�
Jun 26, 2014
caddieo Here's my set-up using a simple hose reel for storage (see no need to plug the end into something while stored). The weight/strain of the UMC is handled adequately with a bungee cord wrapped around it and pulled taut to its anchoring at the wire conduit. The cover of the 14-50 outlet provides additional leverage on the bungee cord to direct its force properly.
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Jun 26, 2014
scaesare One would hope so, but with the issues that have already been experienced with that interface, and my own experience on how the weight affects it, it appears that's not the case.�
Jun 26, 2014
GoBlue88 OK, you guys convinced me to stop letting the module hang by the plug. I had an extra one of those hooks from a tool-hanger system lying around so I used that. The first pic shows how I used to have it (you can see that I already installed the hook on the wall behind it). The second pic shows it in the hook with some slack so it is no longer hanging by the plug. Pretty easy.
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Jun 26, 2014
TurboFroggy Got the holder today, it works great!
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Jun 27, 2014
JPP I use a central vacuum hose wall bracket:
Central Vacuum Storage and Organization Products
Top item on this web page. Looks like this in my garage:
BTW that is my UMC bag hanging from the hanger (keep everything in one place).�
Jun 27, 2014
green1 Just a thought, but I'd recommend a different approach there, having the cord draped across the stairwell like that seems to be asking for trouble. I'd probably have it run under a cover of some form to a hanger on the side of the stairs closer to the car... (actually I've posted elsewhere what I would do, but not everyone agrees, I'd have the wire go up to the ceiling, and dangle right beside the charge port on the car so that you never need to touch the coil, just open charge door and plug in, when you leave just unplug and let dangle...)�
Jun 27, 2014
markb1 I thinking having no rail on the stairs is more dangerous. At least if you trip on the cable, you're already at the bottom of the stairs.�
Jun 27, 2014
mibaro2 I wonder why this is only available in the U.S . Can't see any reason why it couldn't be available in Canada.
Oh well..I'll continue to use my spare garden hose holder until I can buy it.�
Jun 27, 2014
GoBlue88 The link says it can be shipped to customers with a North American address. Canada is still in North America, isn't it? :wink:�
Jun 27, 2014
mibaro2 True. :biggrin:
But it is the next line that concerns me : " For Tesla customers outside the U.S., please contact your nearest Service Center to confirm pricing and availability. "
So I'll do just that, and ask my SC.�
Jun 27, 2014
KenN You can definitely get that hanger from the Vancouver SC.�
Jun 29, 2014
wamochi i ordered the UMC cable organizer as well for $25 from tesla (along with all weather frunk/trunk mats and parcel shelf), and i have that bracket from quickchargepower.com. i've had some issues w/ the quickcharge bracket, so i had to make some slight modifications to it, but i like it and it makes me feel better about not having strain on the socket from the brick weight.
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Jun 29, 2014
Lump I was wondering where you guys purchased the UMC bracket, hopefully it will be back in stock soon UMC Wall Mount
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Jun 30, 2014
tliving I went a bit lower end with this hook from a HW store:
Mounted at the right height the UMC box sits on it (taking strain of the NEMA 14-50 plug) and still has plenty of room for the cord:
Has worked well and my garage isn't as pristine as some of the others I see here. The bracket was $3.�
Jul 1, 2014
JPP Understood--only me in garage, not an active stairway (storage upstairs).
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No handrail is indeed risky...limited use to access attic storage.
It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop....�
Jul 1, 2014
artsci Mine is inside this plug-in-the ground bollard, with a locked door.
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Jul 26, 2014
UberEV1 This thread inspired me to relieve the weight from the plug while also learning more about 3D printing. I liked the idea of the bracket shown in wamochi's post above, but it appeared a bit flimsy / cheap (at least in the photo). So, I borrowed my son's 3D printer and then things got out of hand . . .
First attempt at a 3D-printed bracket was probably my best, but it took 11 hours to print and did not clean up well (very difficult to remove the raft at bottom). So I tried a bunch of times to adjust the printer settings (not the design) to reduce both print time and make it easier to remove the raft. In the process I discovered that while lower fill % reduces print time, it also made the part weaker. I also learned that no printer setting I tried made the raft easier to remove. So I changed the design slightly at the bottom and went back to the original printer settings. This resulted in a clean looking and usable part.
By the way, I did send an inquiry to Tesla asking if mounting the controller in a bracket was OK (concerned about reducing its ability to stay cool vs. just free-hanging), but no reply. I made the design more "breathable" but have not measured controller temperature in and out of the bracket. Still wonder if Tesla would recommend free-hanging with the added weight on the plug, using a bracket such as this to relieve the weight but reduce cooling, or some other solution. Maybe someday they will reply.
Attached are some photos of the journey, so if you have a 3D printer, you may be inspired as well. It was a fun little diversion.
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Jul 26, 2014
tomas Wanna send me one of your throw always?�
Jul 26, 2014
liuping That looks great.
Any chance you can post the design file, so people can order it from places like Sculpteo | Your 3D design turns into reality with 3D Printing if they do not have their own 3D printer?�
Jul 26, 2014
Lump I found a package of utility hooks hidden away, not very sophisticated but it only took 30 seconds
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Jul 29, 2014
UberEV1 @tomas - Early bird gets the worm! PM with shipping info and I'll send you one of the rejects. My apologies to others, but tomas called it first (only one to give).�
Jul 30, 2014
Great Dane To Uberev1
I like it
I see A little side Business here if you are willing to put a price on it
to build it and we will buy. come up with a price and we can talk.�
Jul 30, 2014
shrink I'm having issues with it, too. The UMC simply does not stay in the bracket. It falls out about an hour later. I thought it was the Phoenix heat and the outdoor mount (I don't have a garage).
What modifications have you made? Just curious. I want to get the thing to work.�
Jul 30, 2014
wamochi so what i did was this: purchased some plastic shims from local hardware store, about 40c each. bought two of them. attached it to the inside of each "arm" bracket, and then used black electrical tape to tape it in there, wrapping the tape around the whole bracket while i'm at it to make it black. the additional space in between the arms is tight enough now that the brick won't slip. i have had to recharge about 80-90 mi (almost 3 hrs charge @ 40AMP) a few times recently and the brick has stayed put. i'll try to take some pics of it later, but it basically looks the same except it's black. the shims fit on the inside and keep the brick from sliding down and thru the bracket arms.
my guess is that when the arms got warm from charging more than 1 hr, the brick managed to slip through and was hanging the next morning. the shims so far have done the trick. i have never exceeded 80-90 miles of charge overnight so i don't know how it would hold up if you did 3+ hrs of charging ...
BTW quickchargepower.com owner was great and refunded all the money. he said he hadn't heard of that problem, but i am glad it's not just me! i live in San Diego so it's not that hot, but the garage does get in the upper 80's-90's for sure.�
Jul 30, 2014
shrink @wamochi -
Great tip! Thanks. I had tried some outdoor mounting tape, but I quickly learned that's not going to do any good when the distance between the arms becomes too great.
I had some leftover plastic shims from an old flooring installation and I just happened to have some black duct tape in my tool box. The UMC now looks tight and secure! But I will double check in the AM.
Good to know Tony took care of you! I know him from our days as LEAF owners. He's a really good guy.
Thanks again for the tip!
P. S. I'm a bit envious of your 11.76 PV system in San Diego. I think Phoenix gets more sun, but PV panels lose efficiency in this extreme heat. San Diego has a much more ideal climate for solar production. I imagine you're driving entirely off the sun with a system that size. I'm actually close too 100% offset with my 6.867 kW system, but I think the two EV's put my usage over the top a bit. I'll know better when I have a year of data.�
Aug 5, 2014
tomas OP here... @UberEV1 kind enough to send me his discard 3D printed UMC holder, so I've re-posted my UPDATED AND IMPROVED rig at top of thread!
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Aug 9, 2014
UberEV1 @tomas: Thanks for posting the updated pictures - looks great! I guess we should have looked at your wall a bit more closely before sending the drywall screws. :smile:
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@Great Dane: Thank you for the encouragement! Several others have suggested the same, so my son has set this up as a project and it is now posted in the Classifieds. If you're interested, we would be happy to send you one.�
Aug 10, 2014
KenN 25 cents worth of industrial strength velcro ...
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Aug 10, 2014
Lump Found a package of garage utility hooks laying around, 30 seconds later...
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Aug 19, 2014
GoBlue88 Now using the 3-D printed bracket purchased from UberEV1. Installed, and looks and works great! Thanks UberEV1!!
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Aug 23, 2014
hikerockies Here is my solution for holding UMC on the wall - bicycle water bottle holder.
It holds the UMC securely and allows for air circulation around UMC to help dissipate heat. I hang the cable on another hook on the wall although I am considering replacing that hook with the UMC cable organizer from Tesla.
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Aug 23, 2014
smsprague I went for a simple hook from Lowes and a 3M hook to relieve stress. Plus the Tesla hook for the connector.
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Aug 25, 2014
thedaysbetween +1 for the bicycle water bottle holder. Happen to have one lying around. A perfect "no cost" solution. Thanks!
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Aug 25, 2014
NigelM By running the cable through the Tesla hook didn't you just remove the M from your UMC?�
Aug 25, 2014
smsprague The Tesla hook is 2 pieces - one attaches to the wall and the other slides over it and the cable�
Aug 25, 2014
NigelM True, although it locks down if you don't break off the locking tabs before you fit it the first time.�
Aug 25, 2014
smsprague Did not notice that - I have removed mine a few times to bring my UMC with me�
Aug 25, 2014
Ray Skillman Plus one for $0.25 of worth of Velcro.
Not sure why it uploads sideways.�
Aug 25, 2014
Cottonwood Be very careful about operating the UMC or HPWC cable in too tight a bundle. Tesla uses a noticeably smaller wire in both units than the NEC requires (about half the copper). As most have probably noticed, when operating these units at max current (40A for UMC, 80A for HPWC), even if there are not hot spots in connectors, etc, the wire gets warm to the touch. That is in an open environment with good air circulation.
If you wind the cable into a tight bundle during operation, the heat generated gets multiplied by the multiple passes of the cable, and the outside surface area only goes up a little. More heat with only a little more dissipation means higher temperatures in the cable. A few loose loops over the holder is probably OK, but I would worry about operation with even a fraction of that tight, neat bundle of UMC cable still on the wall.
Sometimes a disorganized mess of cable can be cooler and safer. :wink:�
Aug 25, 2014
Ray Skillman Thanks for pointing that out. Actually, the cable has never been uncoiled since taking it out of the bag. Still waiting on an overdue S85 so I have something to plug it into.�
Aug 25, 2014
Cottonwood As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. Here is a picture of the UMC and cable plugged into a #6 RV, 14-50 extension cord. Notice the size difference, and you don't have to pick up the picture!
After operating for 15 minutes at 40 Amps, the UMC cable was noticeably warm, but the #6, RV cable was cool to the touch.
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Aug 25, 2014
linkster Ok Ray......now that you have teased us with that rear off-center shot of that beautiful mid-yr '63 coupe, anymore pics of the "real-McCoy" sitting next to your S?�
Aug 26, 2014
Ray Skillman Normally I wouldn't hijack a thread.....but since you asked.:wink: Can't wait to have my Tesla in the mix.....any day now!
And yes the Vette is a 67 as opposed to the Split Window. The Nomad in the distance was Jill's SUV that we purchased from Tim Allen.
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Aug 26, 2014
tga Well, I was going to say I liked the wainscoting on the wall, but that's taken a back seat to the rest of the garage. Very nice!
Presumably not the one that he dropped the I-beam on! :smile:�
Aug 27, 2014
JPP ...incredible.....(wiping drool off of chin).
Have you been featured in Griot's Garage catalog yet (...I see the racks/bottles in the distance)?�
Aug 27, 2014
Ray Skillman Good call on the Griot's and yes I am still waiting for their request to do a photo shoot.�
Aug 27, 2014
tessnme A good good friend made the Tesla Logo cable holder. The poster is a copy of the original Nikola Tesla patent.
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Aug 28, 2014
JPP ...do they know how fabulous your setup looks???�
Aug 28, 2014
Ray Skillman Thanks for the compliment and yes I am obviously quite proud of how everything turned out.�
Aug 28, 2014
LucM That's funny because when I picked up my UMC organizer I asked about the hanging electronics module, and my SC said it was okay to let it hang. I am still going yo go to HD to get some bracket for it though. Still waiting for 9/19 delivery so I have some time.
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Aug 28, 2014
linkster +1
form, fit, function, cost, you win IMOH�
Sep 1, 2014
Ulti-Erik Ultimaker 3D printed Mennekes plug holder
I've just finished mounting this holder that was 3D printed on my Ultimaker (it was a quick rough print to test the fit, but it worked perfectly so I just mounted it).
If you have a 3D printer, the files are shared on YouMagine if you want to print one for yourself:
https://www.youmagine.com/designs/wall-mount-for-mennekes-ev-plug
This wall mount is for the vehicle-side Mennekes plug (compatible with most EU versions of the Model S/X). Mounting instructions and other info is there, too.
I wanted to keep the UMC in my car, so I'm always ready to go with a simple unplug. That's why I've built an OpenESVE based charger (inside the meter closet) with a cable fixed to the wall on my driveway. It's three-phase power and connected as per Widoh's excellent instructions (my OpenESVE switches a 4 pole relay).
I was never really happy with the cable just hanging from the wall (I had a bracket for that), but I wanted a better and more elegant way to shield it from the elements, so I designed it. You can also order a print through 3DHubs, a distributed network of 3D printers used. To get a reliable print I recommend selecting a hub that has an Ultimaker Original or Ultimaker 2 (disclaimer: Ultimaker is my company, and it's why I get to drive the Model S).
FYI: just about to go on a holiday, so not much time to answer questions a.t.m.�
Sep 4, 2014
Newscutter I actually referenced this thread on a blog post I made-- the 3D printed UMC holder is really clever but came too late for me.
My solution involved a lot of stumbling around my workshop and looking in boxes for inspiration. Luckily I found some!
Here's what I did-- super cheap, super easy.
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Sep 5, 2014
gglockner I'm struggling with this. In my garage, the UMC is adjacent to an exposed concrete wall, so I'd prefer not to drill holes into the concrete. I tried Velcro Industrial Strength Extreme: it adhered perfectly to the concrete wall, but not to the back of the UMC. I suspect that was due to the rubberized surface of the UMC. Other suggestions?�
Sep 5, 2014
KenN Yep, I tried sticking the velcro to the rubberized part and had the same problem. Ended up sticking it to the plastic where there us no rubber.�
Sep 5, 2014
jerry33 Get one of those brackets that are for sale here, then use 3M auto body tape.
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Sep 5, 2014
Ray Skillman Yes, I epoxied the Velcro to the UMC to overcome this. I use Velcro in my RC planes and it's just second nature to use epoxy on the batteries to make a permanent bond.�
Nov 22, 2015
theark1z One more overhead cable/UMC set-up...
First off, I would like to thank everyone on this forum for all of the incredibly helpful information. A special thanks to ChadS for his support and encouragement!
I have had my new 70 for about a week now and it has exceeded all of my already sky-high expectations. The Autopilot function in particular is nothing short of wondrous and has made my L.A. freeway rush hour commute something I actually almost look forward to instead of dreading!
This thread with all of the great ideas for UMC organization and cable holder set-ups was particularly interesting for me as I 'nested' in the garage and planned for the arrival of my 'baby'.
I thought I would share my UMC/cable set-up which was inspired by many of the ideas shared here. The key problem I wanted to address in my garage was how to maintain circulation paths around the car while the car was charging as I didn't want to lay the cable on the ground and risk tripping over it. The retractable overhead set-up mentioned here was a possibility but the garage door track and limited clearance overhead made this difficult.
What I came up with was a hinged cantilevered beam (wood 1x4", gate hinge, velcro straps to hold cable) that would lie flat against the wall (via magnetic cabinet latch) when not in use but could be swung over to directly above the charge port and still allow passage underneath if I wanted to walk around the car in the garage. I used the bicycle water bottle holder idea for the UMC and made a oval cable holder out of wood.
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Nov 22, 2015
UberEV1 Hello All! Updated Bracket Designs 2016
We've just updated our designs for the UberEV1 UMC Bracket! If you'd like to check out what we've been working on you can click on the link here. Thank you all for your support, couldn't have done it without your encouragement!�
Dec 2, 2015
f-stop thanks for this great and simple idea! I had an old spare aluminum water bottle cage lying around so I mounted it on the garage wall as you did.
I made one minor modification to your idea - I cut the cage at the centre of the curved part on the front, spread the ends apart a bit, and covered the ends with some heatshrink tubing (to prevent scratching the UMC).
With this small modification, it's easy to take the UMC off the wall (e.g. to put it in your car) without having to pass 18' of cable entirely through the water bottle cage - so the M in UMC still means mobile!�
Dec 25, 2015
emchen Thump
@theark1z has just dropped the mic. That is an awesome setup!
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Dec 31, 2015
olson.sc I had a 3d printed UMC bracket made through 3dhubs.com by Brother Robot's Hub. Looks great.
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Dec 31, 2015
DCGOO
Remember that your 6 gauge extension has an unused (by tesla) neutral line it. In reality, the extension *could* be 1/3 smaller. But no one will make you one w/o a neutral. The Tesla cord does not have the neutral. Still tiny by comparison though.�
Dec 31, 2015
Kandiru � amat?r�k!
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May 18, 2016
rcsting Great ideas on the UMC holders. I've got 2 weeks before delivery so trying to get set up.�
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