teslamotorclub: Model 3 is Officially Model ? part 1

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Whelp, there you go folks. Elon made good on his promise and used the letter E in the Model 3

Tesla sends out official Model 3 unveiling invites with �3� stylized as 3 horizontal lines
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How long before Ford sues over "Model E"?
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Clever, it is the Kanji character for 3
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This will make many folks happy. I still think it'll be easier to type 3 on the boards, but I love the idea of the stylized badge.
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This is Fantastic!
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Great news!
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tga said: ?

New How long before Ford sues over "Model E"?
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I do believe this is why it became Model 3 in the first place.

*edit* from the article

The name stuck for a while, but during the shareholders meeting in July 2014, Tesla CEO Elon Musk revealed that the company had to drop its �Model E� trademark after Ford threatened to sue over having a similar naming scheme. At the time, Musk said that �Ford tried to kill sex.�
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What is the keyboard code for that symbol? Anyone? Tx in advance.
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tga said: ?

How long before Ford sues over "Model E"?
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They can't, because it's a 3. *snicker*
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AnOutsider said: ?

I do believe this is why it became Model 3 in the first place.

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Yep, and I believe if Tesla puts Model ? on the back, Ford will simply say -

Look at the back of the car, where it says T?SLA. Obviously, the ? is not a "3" but an "E" in Tesla's font. The logo "Model ?" clearly is intended to mean "Model E", not "Model 3", and is a clear violation of our trademark.
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As a shareholder, it's a bit annoying to see them do something that is just asking Ford to sue them, IMHO. Maybe the legal staff is bored these days.
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Krugerrand said: ?

What is the keyboard code for that symbol? Anyone? Tx in advance.
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Alt+ 926 on Windows.
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Trev Page said: ?

Alt+ 926 on Windows.
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Tried it...didn't get anything close. Got the short form of 'please' in some stylized font.
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Krugerrand said: ?

Tried it...didn't get anything close. Got the short form of 'please' in some stylized font.
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I'm not on Windows so I can't be much help. I'm on a Mac and I have it setup as a quick text replace function since it's built into the OS. Chrome has an extension that does the same thing if you're using that browser. It's called Auto Text Expander.
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Trev Page said: ?

I'm not on Windows so I can't be much help. I'm on a Mac and I have it setup as a quick text replace function since it's built into the OS. Chrome has an extension that does the same thing if you're using that browser. It's called Auto Text Expander.
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Will fish around, perhaps chat with my friend Google. Thanks!
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I lik? it!!

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tga said: ?

Yep, and I believe if Tesla puts Model ? on the back, Ford will simply say -

As a shareholder, it's a bit annoying to see them do something that is just asking Ford to sue them, IMHO. Maybe the legal staff is bored these days.
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What? Are you talking about T3sla? *snicker again*
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I'm going to rain on this parade because to me, that DOES demonstrate that Tesla Motors considers the three stylized horizontal lines as its new vehicle's LOGO but, just as the logo for an iconic Ford Motors sporty car is a galloping horse - and further examples are endless - that vehicle's OFFICIAL NAME is "Mustang". likewise, the official name for TM's new automobile will be, as they have provided again and again, "Model 3".

We are, thank heavens, not yet in an era where everyone can put down some stars-&-moon-& pile-of-dirt on a piece of paper and say "That's my name".
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Krugerrand said: ?

What is the keyboard code for that symbol? Anyone? Tx in advance.
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? is ALT-240
Hold down ALT key and type 240 on numeric keypad.
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AudubonB said: ?

We are, thank heavens, not yet in an era where everyone can put down some stars-&-moon-& pile-of-dirt on a piece of paper and say "That's my name".
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Unless you are "The Artist Formally Known as Prince"

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Ugh. So contrived and pretentious. Oh well, it's just a name. Err, a symbol. Or a stack of plates.
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Tesla should call it Model E. Let Ford sue and appear ridiculous for attempting to do so. The courts would likely invalidate a claim to a model name briefly used over a century ago for a car that was simply called the Delivery Car in catalogs. The media coverage of a court fight would get Tesla free advertising and public sympathy.
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Happy. Very happy.
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Or like this ?
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Fourteenth letter of the Greek alphabet. Nowhere near an E

But Model Xi will get the rumor mill running all over again.
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Curt Renz said: ?

Tesla should call it Model E. Let Ford sue and appear ridiculous for attempting to do so. The courts would likely invalidate a claim to a model name briefly used over a century ago for a car that was simply called the Delivery Car in catalogs. The media coverage of a court fight would get Tesla free advertising and public sympathy.
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Ford will probably try to sue Tesla based on the reason mentioned above by tga... which actually seems like a logical reasoning o.o and like you said, it'd look quite sad if Ford tries to wing it and sue Tesla. It's actually quite annoying how quick other ICE companies like GM or Ford will jump on any move Tesla makes to try to prevent the inevitable ass-beating they're about to get.
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I think it looks good

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so which is it? ? (alt 240) or ? (alt 926)
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? (alt 240). All 3 lines are even on the invite.
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SureValla said: ?

so which is it? ? (alt 240) or ? (alt 926)
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I have been using ? which seems to be different from either of them
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I was not able to succeed following the "Alt 240" instructions. I found the character using the Windows Character Map. The search terms �identical to� will quickly locate it if available within the particular font type. I found it in Arial and several others that I commonly use.

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MODEL 3 is...

? -- IDENTICAL TO ( U+2261 )

? -- HEAVEN ( U+2630 )

;-)

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Is this just me, or should not this be referred to as either the Model 7 or perhaps maybe the model 21?
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Okay, thank you to all my non-Google friends, I think I got it: ?

But I have a question. When first owners are accosted in a parking lot and asked, 'What kind of car is that?" Do they answer:

A) It's a Tesla Model 3
B) It's a Tesla Model E
C) It's a Tesla formerly known as Model E, formerly known as Model 3
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Krugerrand said: ?

Okay, thank you to all my non-Google friends, I think I got it: ?

But I have a question. When first owners are accosted in a parking lot and asked, 'What kind of car is that?" Do they answer:

A) It's a Tesla Model 3
B) It's a Tesla Model E
C) It's a Tesla formally known as Model E, formally known as Model 3
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formerly you mean (for the former, not the latter)
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Krugerrand said: ?

Okay, thank you to all my non-Google friends, I think I got it: ?

But I have a question. When first owners are accosted in a parking lot and asked, 'What kind of car is that?" Do they answer:

A) It's a Tesla Model 3
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It's a Tesla Model 3. Whatever stylized 3 they use, it doesn't change the fact that the car is a Tesla Model 3.
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MrBoylan said: ?

formerly you mean (for the former, not the latter)
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gregincal said: ?

It's a Tesla Model 3. Whatever stylized 3 they use, it doesn't change the fact that the car is a Tesla Model 3.
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Okey, dokey. So when people go to the DMV, their registration papers will have a regular 3 on it. Boring.
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You could always fill out the paperwork as 'TESLA MODEL THREE' if you prefer...
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Red Sage said: ?

You could always fill out the paperwork as 'TESLA MODEL THREE' if you prefer...
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Well, what would stop people then from filling out Tesla Model ? ?
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Why for heaven sake Tesla cannot name Models like every one else with an actual name? Instead of all the cryptic single letters?

A Corvette and Panamera sounds so much better to say than 'S' and 'X' and the stupid three horizontal lines
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mkjayakumar said: ?

Why for heaven sake Tesla cannot name Models like every one else with an actual name? Instead of all the cryptic single letters?

A Corvette and Panamera sounds so much better to say than 'S' and 'X' and the stupid three horizontal lines
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I disagree. I think the names of Tesla's line-up are SEXY.
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At least they don't (yet) have the unfathomable alphabet soup of names Acura, Infiniti and Lexus use... They're headed that way though.
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mkjayakumar said: ?

Why for heaven sake Tesla cannot name Models like every one else with an actual name? Instead of all the cryptic single letters?

A Corvette and Panamera sounds so much better to say than 'S' and 'X' and the stupid three horizontal lines
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Because they WANT to.
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mkjayakumar said: ?

Why for heaven sake Tesla cannot name Models like every one else with an actual name? Instead of all the cryptic single letters?

A Corvette and Panamera sounds so much better to say than 'S' and 'X' and the stupid three horizontal lines
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Sorry, can't hear you over the sound of the BMW i3, the 3-series, the ix, the iq, the sb, the i8, the mazda 2 and 3... list goes on!
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Audi does letter-number names. It's not all that out there.
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S for Sedan, X for crossover, 3 for their third gen platform (3rd production model as well)

A name for a car doesnt really tell you anything, whereas numbers/letters actually could. BMW 3 series v 5 serious for example, you know what you are getting. A hyundai tucson or a Toyota Camry... who knows?
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The name does not make the car.

The car makes the name.
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Lonnie123 said: ?

A name for a car doesnt really tell you anything, whereas numbers/letters actually could. BMW 3 series v 5 serious for example, you know what you are getting. A hyundai tucson or a Toyota Camry... who knows?
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A Hyundai Tucson was built to operate optimally in Tucson, Arizona. The Toyota Camry has a dual overhead cam, making it very cammy, or in some circles, "camry." A Hyundai Sorento [sic] has the ability to turn fresh lemons into limoncello. A Honda Fit will fit into a tiny, tiny parking space. And a Subaru Outback was actually found in the wild in the Australian Outback - every model sold is a grafted copy of the original.

So you see, these names are very descriptive.
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mkjayakumar said: ?

Why for heaven sake Tesla cannot name Models like every one else with an actual name? Instead of all the cryptic single letters?

A Corvette and Panamera sounds so much better to say than 'S' and 'X' and the stupid three horizontal lines
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I read somewhere that not using model names is done very deliberately by car manufacturers. If you own a Hyundai Santa Fe or a Chevy Volt, you tend to refer to the car by its model name "My Santa Fe, or my Volt". But, if you own a Lexus IS250 or a Audi S4, you tend to refer to the car by its manufacturer name, "My Lexus, or my Audi", or "my Tesla". It builds loyalty to the brand, not the particular car model.

I think that's why Hyundai tried it with their earlier upscale cars, those letter and number jumbles that involved an X. But it only works if you do it across the whole lineup.
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mkjayakumar said: ?

Why for heaven sake Tesla cannot name Models like every one else with an actual name? Instead of all the cryptic single letters?

A Corvette and Panamera sounds so much better to say than 'S' and 'X' and the stupid three horizontal lines
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Disagree. I prefer this naming convention.
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Az_Rael said: ?

I read somewhere that not using model names is done very deliberately by car manufacturers. If you own a Hyundai Santa Fe or a Chevy Volt, you tend to refer to the car by its model name "My Santa Fe, or my Volt". But, if you own a Lexus IS250 or a Audi S4, you tend to refer to the car by its manufacturer name, "My Lexus, or my Audi", or "my Tesla". It builds loyalty to the brand, not the particular car model.
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Okay now I get it. Make the model name some silly, vague combination of letters, so people will be forced to say brand name. I think Tesla takes it to another level and named the '3rd generation mass market car' to an unpronounceable ascii character that is not even in the keyboard.

Looks like Porsche didn't get that memo.
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Cue long who's-on-first style joke about a Chinese businessman on vacation discussing a certain Tesla in Greece.
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Krugerrand said: ?

Well, what would stop people then from filling out Tesla Model ? ?
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mkjayakumar said: ?

Okay now I get it. Make the model name some silly, vague combination of letters, so people will be forced to say brand name. I think Tesla takes it to another level and named the '3rd generation mass market car' to an unpronounceable ascii character that is not even in the keyboard.

Looks like Porsche didn't get that memo.
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No, it's the Model 3. The Model 3. It might use a stylized logo, but it should always be written and pronounced Model 3. That's the way Elon has always written it, so that's good enough for me.

Edit: I notice that this whole thread is started because the invitation showed the stylized logo. However, I notice it doesn't use the word Model. My question is whether the text of the invitation used a normal 3 when referring to the Model 3. I bet it did.
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ohmman said: ?

A Hyundai Tucson was built to operate optimally in Tucson, Arizona. The Toyota Camry has a dual overhead cam, making it very cammy, or in some circles, "camry." A Hyundai Sorento [sic] has the ability to turn fresh lemons into limoncello. A Honda Fit will fit into a tiny, tiny parking space. And a Subaru Outback was actually found in the wild in the Australian Outback - every model sold is a grafted copy of the original.

So you see, these names are very descriptive.
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And, por los latinoamericanos of course, the Chevy Nova......
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So when someone asks what the name is, who's going to put three fingers up and to the side and say Model 3 at the same time!?!.....
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That's better than putting one finger up horizontally
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HookBill said: ?

That's better than putting one finger up horizontally
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Sorry, vertically.
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Az_Rael said: ?

I read somewhere that not using model names is done very deliberately by car manufacturers. If you own a Hyundai Santa Fe or a Chevy Volt, you tend to refer to the car by its model name "My Santa Fe, or my Volt". But, if you own a Lexus IS250 or a Audi S4, you tend to refer to the car by its manufacturer name, "My Lexus, or my Audi", or "my Tesla". It builds loyalty to the brand, not the particular car model.

I think that's why Hyundai tried it with their earlier upscale cars, those letter and number jumbles that involved an X. But it only works if you do it across the whole lineup.
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As I recall, what happened was that Acura had a few cars such as the Integra an Legend and buyers eventually started just calling their cars by their model name and the manufacturer name was never mentioned. In an effort by marketing to elevate the brand name, Acura dropped the easily pronounceable names and went with TLS, MDX, RSX etc.. so that you'd be forced to say "Acura MDX" etc... It's pretty much the norm now with all luxury makes. Most people say " I have a Tesla Model S" or "Tesla Model X"
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I am not sure anyone is going to confused on who the manufacturer is for Accord or Camry or Corvette or Hellcat or Viper. There is a nice ring to those names and rolls of the tongue nicely instead of NSX. The naming scheme of some of these luxury players like Axura and Mercedes reminds of how the stars and planets are named, eg: PSR B1257+12 A

Another silly thing is the word 'Model' infront of the 'S'. Tesla has a model <named> Model S.
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Enough already. This conversation is going nowhere. You either like the naming convention or you don't. Tesla has done enough marketing research to justify their naming scheme and there is nothing that is going to change that.
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mkjayakumar said: ?

Why for heaven sake Tesla cannot name Models like every one else with an actual name? Instead of all the cryptic single letters?

A Corvette and Panamera sounds so much better to say than 'S' and 'X' and the stupid three horizontal lines
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You do understand that Musk is the proud owner of a vintage E-Type, right? Back then, they knew how to name cars. And after a decade or two, Tesla can update their car chassis as BMW do: E30, E46, E93...
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ggies07 said: ?

So when someone asks what the name is, who's going to put three fingers up and to the side and say Model 3 at the same time!?!.....
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SureValla said: ?

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Love it!
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@Bangor Bob

Not only are they already there, they've already surpassed the regular digit+letter combination used by other manufacturers. To the best of my knowledge, no other manufacturers have yet resorted to the use of an underline to signify a significant performance feature within the car's nomenclature.
Fun fact: It was due to focus groups agreeing that the letter/number combos in the model name gave the vehicle a sense of sophistication that caused premium brands to jump all over it at one point (before they realized that displacement downsizing would come back to bite them.
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The icon has been right there on the Tesla mobile site (and just about every other mobile site in existence) as the menu icon, or in designer terms, the hamburger icon.

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Sweet, can't wait to order my Model E!
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Whether it is written as 'Model 3' or 'Model ?', I will pronounce it as 'Model Three'. I'm sure that some will say 'Model Tres' or 'Model Trois' or 'Model Tre'... Typography, numerology, symbology -- it's all the same.

"Well, now... You can call me 'Ray', or you can call me 'Jay', or you can call me 'R.J.' or you can call me 'R.J. Johnson, Jr.' But ye doesn't have to call me 'Mr. Johnson'..."
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It's proper name is "Model if and only if". This is what the symbol means as a logical operator.
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Red Sage said: ?

Whether it is written as 'Model 3' or 'Model ?', I will pronounce it as 'Model Three'
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If I'm speaking with someone not quite as obsessed with interested in Tesla as the members of this forum, I'll probably make sure to say something like "the Model three, Tesla's goal vehicle." I think it's important to state that this is the start of the whole goal of Tesla Motors, and remind people that reaching it the way they did (expensive cars first) was always the plan.
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Tesla has been referring to it as "Model 3" for a couple of years now, they're just using the stylized E in their logo to represent the 3. Originally they wanted to call it Model E until Ford put the kibosh on it but this is Elon's way of keeping the Model E alive in a way.

No need for anyone to get their panties in a knot.
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Wait... Some people are still forced to use Windows?

Whew, look at the time...

Anyway, it would be nice if the Model Y was a pickup truck targeted toward F150 owners. A poke in Ford's eye, right there..
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Wonder if they'll use th stylized E on this screen...

Though it looks to be pulling car name so I guess you could just insert an E
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ohmman said: ?

If I'm speaking with someone not quite as obsessed with interested in Tesla as the members of this forum, I'll probably make sure to say something like "the Model three, Tesla's goal vehicle." I think it's important to state that this is the start of the whole goal of Tesla Motors, and remind people that reaching it the way they did (expensive cars first) was always the plan.
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Well said, Ohmman. Tesla has nothing to apologize for. They had a goal in mind and are well on their way to meeting it. Every word said to the contrary is simply noise.
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I'm going to use the Tesla Hamburger name... I'm used to hamburger menu...

At least it won't have the same mess as the Nissan pajero.
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AnOutsider said: ?

Wonder if they'll use th stylized E on this screen...

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Though it looks to be pulling car name so I guess you could just insert an E
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I bet you that screen will just say Model 3.
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I'm surprised no-one has said anything yet about this logo making it super obvious where their main target market is going to be.... as the logo is basically 3 in Chinese/Kanji...
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tfung said: ?

I'm surprised no-one has said anything yet about this logo making it super obvious where their main target market is going to be.... as the logo is basically 3 in Chinese/Kanji...
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Because I don't know that anyone thinks that... The consensus has generally been that Tesla wanted "E", Ford put up a fight, so they went with 3, for third generation, and stylized it as an E so that Ford couldn't kill SEX.
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Tesla officially applies for Model 3 trademark: �three equal length horizontal stylized lines�
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S'toon said: ?

Tesla officially applies for Model 3 trademark: �three equal length horizontal stylized lines�
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I believe the appropriate response here is "I told you so!"

The problem with the whole 'E' thing for Ford, is that it doesn't explain why Mercedes-Benz is allowed to use 'E-Class'... That, coupled with the fact that though there have been plenty of 'E' themed names of Ford products -- from Edsel and Escort, to Econoline and Excursion, to Escape and Energi -- they haven't actually used 'Model E' in about 90 years. Trademarks are supposed to expire aren't they? Of course, the 'owners' Mickey Mouse and Superman might disagree...
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Trev Page said: ?

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I hope Tesla has secured the CHINESE trademark. Because that's a pretty common Chinese character and someone else may have the trademark already.
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It's interesting though, that so far Tesla's usage indicates that the symbol is intended to be used by itself (that's the way it's always been shown so far). In written text they always say "Model 3", but the back of the car might just have ? without the word "Model".
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S'toon said: ?

Tesla officially applies for Model 3 trademark: �three equal length horizontal stylized lines�
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So, in the spirit of correctness, could those adamant on using the symbol please use ? and not ?. The lines are supposed to be equal length.
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