Mar 6, 2014
maekuz I couldnt find any thread here in the investors section, so i figured i open up a new one.
The official data can be found here: KBA The latest document is attached to this post.
Here is the data:
I added some other BEVs to get some colour on the german market for BEVs.
Tesla Model S BMW I3 Nissan Leaf Renault Zoe January 30 229 71 48 February 66 179 24 62 March 143 230 131 95 Year to date 239 638 226
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Mar 6, 2014
Familial Rhino It would be interesting to know how many of the i3s are pure electric, and how many are the hybrid version. I'd be surprised if BMW sold more pure electrics than Tesla. On the other hand, they actively market it, whereas Tesla's marketing spend is small to non-existent.�
Mar 6, 2014
maekuz Unfortunately there is no data regarding the hybrid version of the BMW I3. Lets not forget that the BMW I3 is sold for about half the price (or less) of the model S.�
Mar 6, 2014
Familial Rhino So is the Leaf. But I agree, BMW's brand plus a lower price probably makes a difference.�
Mar 6, 2014
hobbes Great they finally revealed the individual Tesla numbers, I looked there a couple of times and they were always part of "others"! Thanks for posting.
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After searching TMC a bit I found German numbers for Aug (17) and Sep (43) here:
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/22372-Registrations-in-Germany
Does someone have the Oct-Dec registrations?�
Mar 6, 2014
VolkerP extracted from KBA by Volker.Berlin:
The data was retrieved by different vehicle type IDs (AAB and AAC) for Model S with different battery sizes. The discrepancies to hobbes' numbers might be due to Roadsters - KBA counts registrations of pre-owned vehicles, too.
2013
85kWh
60kWh
August
14
September
42
Oktober
34
3
November
57
4
Dezember
36
1
total
183
8
Model S Signature deliveries in Germany started in August 2013.�
Mar 6, 2014
hobbes Great, thanks! September was in fact 42 MSs and 1 Roadster, someone on the other thread had posted he called KBA and that�s what they told him.
Here�s a plot, just for fun. Going up :wink:, but still disappointig compared to other European countries, especially those starting with an N.
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Mar 6, 2014
TSLAopt yes, i have a feeling this should increase steadily but it is a bit disappoiinting at the moment...I wonder if there was a way to look at the German forum to see how many reservations there are now from German customers
and/or
a way to go onto theater an site and find out what the waiting times are for an S60 or S85, and P85+�
Mar 7, 2014
maekuz Elon is on the record that Tesla wants to sell 10.000 cars in Germany in 2015. Its a long way to go but Tesla is scaling up quickly the numbers of service centers, stores and supercharger in Germany. There will be partnerships announced shortly which will drive the awareness of the brand in Germany (e.g. to get into the market for business customers). Therefore i think Tesla will do quite well in Germany. I know they had a somewhat slow start but look at it this way: They more than doubled their numbers from january to february. ;-)
The german website of Tesla states june as the earliest for a 60 kWh Model S delivery.�
Mar 7, 2014
TD1 I think the German market is a very special one when it comes to high class limousines.
If we look at Lexus, I think there is no other market on earth where Lexus underperforms in marketshare like in Germany.
So foreign brands have it very difficult in Germany.
Because its almost considered blasphemy to Choose a High end brand other then Audi, Benz, BMW, Porsche.
Tesla has the advantage though that it plays in its own league.
I think the registration numbers will jump by a high number when the SC network is further buildout.
Also not to forget that Tesla is still supply constraint.�
Mar 7, 2014
ItsNotAboutTheMoney It's hard to overcome nationalism, but the first step is to provide a car that meets and exceeds expectations. Tesla has to bring the amenities up to par. So, they need to get the Superchargers built out and they need to get the basics of AutoPilot ready so they can offer the safety features drivers expect.�
Mar 7, 2014
Todd Burch As long as Tesla remains supply-constrained, these numbers don't necessarily mean much. They just equate to how Tesla is dividing up deliveries of the cars they have.
Only when Tesla can produce more cars than the world is consuming can we get a good picture of demand.�
Mar 10, 2014
tslafan123 Musk mentioned charging issues in Q4 conference call and sounded like that's constraining sales in Europe. I wonder how much of it is still an issue.�
Mar 10, 2014
schonelucht Maybe a little off topic for this thread, but the official numbers for the Netherlands have also been posted. So far, a disappointing 17 Model S's were registered in 2014. (7 in Jan, 10 in Feb). The tightening on fiscal rules for EV cars unfortunately clearly had a bigger impact than any technological reasons (like charging, concern about fires, etc...) This is both good and bad news : it means consumers aren't rejecting the Model S for possibly reported shortcomings on the one hand, but it also means that the Model S currently isn't a strong enough value proposition for Dutch consumers without the previous extraordinary fiscal incentives in place (just to be clear, there is still a strong fiscal stimulus for EV cars, just not as stupenduously strong as it used to be) I don't know the German market as well as I know the Dutch market, but I would not be surprised if the same holds.
The recent price cuts hopefully will help a bit, but if a further reduction would be necessary to convince Dutch buyers, I fear we won't see an increase in the numbers of Model S's for a good while in the Netherlands because there are other markets waiting to be opened that are still prepared to pay the 25% margin Tesla is aiming for. From the company's point of view it would make sense to focus on those countries first and scale the sales organisation in the Netherlands back (because, given its size, it won't be sustainable with sales of just a dozen cars a month).
It's going to be very interesting to see where the march and april numbers are going to be!�
Mar 11, 2014
Chickenlittle welcome to the forum. interesting first post. with time, readers here will rely more on what you say after we get the tone of a few dozen posts. keep plugging away�
Mar 11, 2014
TSLAopt Good catch Chickenlittle�
Mar 11, 2014
schonelucht Appreciate your welcome, Chickenlittle! I don't know if I have that much information to share though. the Netherlands is a very tiny market so not much exciting happens. If you have questions I will try to answer them.�
Mar 12, 2014
Chickenlittle Yes I do have a question. Just started watching series Lillehammer on Netflix. Was this really popular in Norway? If so was the appeal how not politically correct or was it the portrayal of an American gangsters solutions?�
Mar 12, 2014
OleJA For comparison, here are the latest numbers from Norway
( Hvor mange Tesla Model S f�rstegangsregistrert i Norge i l�pet av 2014?)
January: 132
February: 431
March until 11/3: ~280
There are rumors that 1400 MS could be delivered this month.�
Mar 12, 2014
Yggdrasill This is entirely off-topic, but Lilyhammer has been quite popular, with around 1 million viewers when broadcast on NRK. That corresponds to around 20% of the population, or over 50% market share. Then it's had additional viewers on Netflix, myself included.
The appeal is the humor of the situations that arise when a mafia guy is placed into the Norwegian culture, with stereotypical personalities and situations that are entirely recognizable to Norwegians. You could in a way compare Lilyhammer to Crocodile Dundee, or Lost in Translation.�
Mar 13, 2014
Right_Said_Fred I heard the Model S is still selling well in The Netherlands, but because of new fiscal rules per 1 January Tesla tried hard to deliver as many cars as possible in December. As a consequence there weren't many orders left to be delivered in January and February. Deliveries should be up from now on. The car is still a very attractive proposition.�
Mar 13, 2014
schonelucht That's certainly possible. Just today someone reported in the Dutch section (you must have read it as well, R_S_F) planned delivery in May for a January order. So we should see an uptick in the number of registrations in 2 months. Maybe Dutch deliveries in the beginning of the 2014 are deliberately held back to give other neighbouring countries a chance of catching up.�
Mar 14, 2014
Mario Kadastik It's likely. From what I've understood the Netherlands and Norway are the main surprises in their aggressive buys. I guess the pipeline for Netherlands was just emptied at the cost of others in December to make sure that the incentives are used properly and that also led to possible starvation of neighboring countries (could also partially explain Germany) and as there's anyway a seasonality due to shipping the true registration information is the one of March as in EU it'll be for the foreseeable future that cars come in waves with most sales in the last month of the quarter. I guess they'll try to streamline this more over time, but it's nothing too weird at this point. So March will be an interesting indicator and I think next quarter will show actual orders from this year. Watching the rest of EU is interesting though
I can already say that in Estonia February added the second Model S and in March now the number should go up significantly. I'd guess we'll go from 2 to ~6-8 or moreAnd the spillover effect from the event of me getting the car in December (which had huge media attention) will actually come in Q2. So we'll see
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Mar 14, 2014
schonelucht It remains very hard to predict the sales based on the lagging indicator of car registrations. For example, MaartenSt, a very well known observer of the Dutch Tesla market expected an uptick in car registrations already for february. But that turned out to be not true. From reading the relevant thread in the Dutch section of this forum, it seems that nearly everyone who ordered in Dec/Jan got a May delivery estimate. If the Netherlands has been held back deliberately that would suggest that we won't see an increase in delivery numbers here before May because Tesla is still too busy fullfilling orders in the rest of Europe.�
Mar 15, 2014
Right_Said_Fred Yesterday I was at the Tilburg plant (which besides being a sub-assembly plant and service center is now also a store) and was pleasantly surprised. There are hundreds of cars there on their way to customers.
On the day I was there many Dutch cars were being delivered to their owners, but most cars seemed destined for other European countries. The inside of the plant, which can house hundreds of cars, was completely full (300 cars?), so approx. 100 cars had to be parked outside, and dozens more were being readied for transport on trucks for delivery throughout Europe.
Tesla can probably not deliver all of these cars in Q1, but a lot of them will be.�
Mar 18, 2014
TSLAopt
It it seems Model S is doing new record deliveries in Norway per the below post copy/pasted from Tesla Motors website forums:
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Tesla Model S crushes all!
The numbers are so strong that one hardly can believe what you read.
The super el-car Tesla Model S reached a market share of 11.1% through the past week. According to the recent registration statistics from the OFV 343 Model S was recorded, miles ahead of the VW Golf and Toyota Auris, which could boast of, respectively, 151 and 128 vehicles.
All indications are that the Tesla Model S will be the big winner in March. Already there are 547 registered cars, against 424 Auris and 336 Golf.
2013 was a fantastic year for Tesla Norway, with 1983 Model S registrations. 2014 does not seem to become weaker, on the contrary. So far we are up to 1,110 cars.
Last week was by far the best in Tesla's history in Norway. Registration number was over twice as high as the best week of 2013.
The Model S-Registration distributed so far in 2014:
11.3-17.3: 343
4.3-10.3: 176
25.2-3.3: 170
18.2-24.2: 121
4.2-10.2: 75
28.1-3.2: 50
21.1-27.1: 10
14.1-20.1: 27
7.1-13.1: 12
1.1-6.1: 12
The best week last year (10.9-16.9): 161
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Mar 18, 2014
Mario Kadastik Had a chat with someone in Tesla yesterday and they have an assload of S's going to Norway. Basically all Norwegian SC-s will be delivering cars 24x7 for the foreseeable future so expect a major blowout in Norwegian registrations.�
Mar 19, 2014
LuckyLuke Awesome numbers.
Let's have some more superchargers in DE and DK so we can visit some of our Norwegian friends!�
Mar 19, 2014
marvinat0rz Can confirm. I live in Bergen and drive by the Tesla SC almost every day - it is stuffed with cars. And yesterday I saw another trailer full of Model S, presumably headed for the store.�
Mar 19, 2014
Yggdrasill The number reached 592 as of yesterday evening. By now the number is probably in the 620-area. They are registering around 50 Model S every day, so they may break 1000 registered this month.
If that happens, it will really spark some articles. It hasn't happened in the last three years that a given model has broken 1000 registred in one month, and I'm not sure if it has ever happened.�
Mar 19, 2014
dsm363 Wow. I thought the car was useless in Germany because of the Autobahn? Pretty sure there is a thread on that.�
Mar 19, 2014
VolkerP ask Realist, he is convinced Model S cannot hold a candle towards his wife's VW Golf R :tongue:
besides that, we are talking Norway registration numbers here. If these are real, Norway is using half of Tesla's production ATM. :scared:�
Mar 19, 2014
dsm363 Ah, will be interesting to see how it does in Germany. It's entirely possible it isn't a great fit for Germany but that doesn't mean much for rest of world.�
Mar 19, 2014
Mario Kadastik Yikes, I hadn't thought it this way
I'm happy to say that Estonia, tiny as it may be, may well show double digit Model S's as early as this month though more likely early April due to shipping etc. I mean that'd be almost 10% of Germany for a tiny place like Estonia�
Mar 19, 2014
Yggdrasill Most people here in Norway are expecting around 5000 deliveries in 2014. That would be 10-20% of total production.
Maybe not hugely enormous in sheer numbers, but still extremely good relative to the size of the market.�
Mar 19, 2014
CalDreamin Can someone explain why dozens of new Model S with 0 km are apparently listed for sale out of Frankfurt? I can't read German. Thanks. Der aktuelle Fahrzeugbestand von Tesla Motors Frankfurt in Frankfurt�
Mar 19, 2014
schonelucht The Brussels (Belgium) service centre also has around 40 mostly fully loaded Model S available for immediate sale. There has been some speculation in the Dutch language forum on why this is the case but besides guessing these are meant as loaners not much is known about them (net even how many kilometres these cars have). Maybe it's the same inventory listed in Belgium and Germany?�
Mar 20, 2014
Chickenlittle i cannot especially with 0 km on them. i thought all teslas were tested and came with at least 20 miles on them (of equivalent km). if zero is wrong then i question the rest of the post as well�
Mar 20, 2014
allz This (full truck with S's) Instagram was spotted in Riga 3weeks ago - dont know if they were heading to EE or somewhere else?!�
Mar 20, 2014
Mario Kadastik Nah, 3w ago is too early. The ones to Estonia would be coming in the next few weeks most... But interesting nevertheless where those went�
Mar 20, 2014
772 Russia? Have there been any MS delivered there yet?�
Mar 20, 2014
SwedishAdvocate I guess it could also be (Helsinki in) Finland.�
Mar 20, 2014
772 Yep, Finland is probably more likely, but I don't think this would be the first delivery to Finland. Was just curious if these would be delivered to Russia and if these would be the first there. Especially with the current conflict in Ukraine, I am wondering what kind of press that would receive in Russia. :smile:�
Mar 21, 2014
Realist Haha. My wife does not drive a Golf R but a 140hp TSI. I said it could do better than the Model S' 215 on the speedo, which is true. Downhill at least. :-D�
Mar 21, 2014
Robert.Boston Russia -- Putin and his cronies asked for accelerated delivery so that they'd get them before trade sanctions went into effect. :tongue:�
Mar 21, 2014
perdru How many MS have been delivered in the US so far this year ?�
Mar 21, 2014
JRP3 Nowthat link shows no cars at all.�
Mar 22, 2014
Cankooo1 I was really curious about this thing with the 100 cars so I called the number on the left (I do not speak German but I have managed to connect to operator who speaks English) so I told him that I am not from Germany but I�ve understood that they have 100 tesla Model S vehicles and I am definitely interested to buy one. The person responded that there is some kind of mistake.
Anyway they haven�t posted the cars but I have sense that I wasn�t the first one to call and ask for the cars.�
Mar 22, 2014
mkjayakumar Some dude (Paulo Santos) wrote a whole anti Tesla blog based on the incorrect fact that 100 Model S are languishing somewhere in Germany with no takers.�
Mar 22, 2014
dsm363 What are the actually registration numbers in Germany and over what time period?�
Mar 22, 2014
JRP3 From the German forum:
Google translate:
http://www.tff-forum.de/viewtopic.php%3Ff=17&t=2724&start=30&act=url�
Mar 22, 2014
patrickCH You find them for 2014 at the kba.de:
Januar 2014: 30 new Model S
February 2014: 66 new Model S
Total 96 new Model S.�
Mar 22, 2014
schonelucht Cleantechnica did a number of blog posts on the sales of EVs in various European markets. Germany had 96 registrations in the first two months of 2014. See here for the full report : http://cleantechnica.com/2014/03/15/germany-electric-car-sales-update-february-2014-sales/
Just to be complete the numbers in other European key markets (all over the first two months in 2013) : Spain 4, Italy nine (http://cleantechnica.com/2014/03/15/spain-italy-electric-car-sales-updates-february-2014-sales/); France 33 (http://cleantechnica.com/2014/03/16/france-electric-car-sales-update-february-2014-ytd-sales/); Norway 563 (Norway Electric Car Sales Update (February 2014 YTD Sales) | CleanTechnica) and finally the Netherlands 17 (Netherlands Electric Car Sales Update (February 2014 YTD Sales) | CleanTechnica)�
Mar 22, 2014
schonelucht Belgium seems to be the "hottest " European Model S market after Norway nowadays!
I don't have the exact numbers, but it would be nice to see them.
ATC�
Mar 22, 2014
Right_Said_Fred The only numbers I have for Belgium are total EV registrations (Link to official vehicle registrar here http://mobilit.belgium.be/nl/wegverkeer/stats/inschrijvingen/2014/ Dutch only sorry) In the first two months of 2014, a total of 223 full electric vehicles were registered in Belgium. Based on the Dutch and French numbers, I fear a large majority of those registrations were either BMW or Renault. Still, even with a market share of just 10% it would indeed make Belgium the second hottest European market for Tesla in the first two months of 2014.�
Mar 23, 2014
JRP3 I am expecting a big uptick in Dutch registrations in March. The number of 17 in January and February is artificially deflated because Tesla rushed to get as many Dutch cars as possible deivered in 2013 (because of a change in tax rules on January 1st; don't worry, fiscally it's still an interesting proposition to buy a Model S).�
Mar 23, 2014
dirkhh Slightly different link from the same site now shows 30 cars, one of which is a "Tesla Model S Karma Sport", i.e. a Fisker Karma
http://fahrzeuge.autoscout24.de/?atype=C&make=51520&model=20032&mmvmk0=51520&mmvmd0=20032&mmvco=1&ustate=N,U&sort=mileage&results=20&page=1&event=pag�
Mar 23, 2014
JRP3 There's a signature in there, a P85+, a wide list but mostly week equipped cars. Tesla sales in Germany are totally anemic, so my guess is these are from speculators who were expecting to make a (not really very quick) buck and are now dumping their inventory since there is no real demand.�
Mar 23, 2014
dirkhh I still don't understand the 0km and 1km cars. They had to be test driven after assembly, both in the US and in Europe. I suppose they maybe could reset the odometer to zero after the pack is removed for shipping in the US but they should have some mileage on them in Europe.�
1/1/2015
guest The data are almost certainly simply wrong.�
Mar 23, 2014
perdru Several indications show that Tesla now produces Model S to be sold in their stores - implying that their sales policy has changed.
In Norway well equipped cars in different colors are delivered to customers within the week and everybody is happy.�
Mar 23, 2014
hobbes My guess is that the car dealers just ordered the offered MSs from Tesla and resell it as used to grab attention - some add a few miles for transfer, some just neglect that.�
Mar 24, 2014
Yggdrasill Tesla is actually selling new cars just off the boat from the US here in Norway. These are actually cancellations, where the reservation holders have simply walked away. Tesla seems intent on delivering well over 1000 Model S in Norway this month, and if a mere 1% of buyers walk away - that's 10 Model S available with immediate delivery. Tesla is also selling all it's test drive cars, to boost numbers end-of-quarter.
Some interesting numbers:
The number of registered cars monday: 95 (~100% of production in a given day!)
The number of registered cars so far this month: 896
The number of cars registered in January/February: 563
If they keep up the current registration rate, they'll end up with close to 1400 registrations. That's about 500 more than has been registered of any other car model in a single month in the last three years! Possibly the highest number ever! (With these numbers, Tesla will be the largest car manufacturer in Norway in March, the 5th largest car manufacturer in Norway YTD, and the Model S will be the most registered car model YTD.)�
Mar 25, 2014
schonelucht Same thing in Belgium. But with a twist. It seems Tesla is offering cars for immediate sale without folding mirrors which suggest these are cars from last year's production run. See this thread from the Dutch language forum http://translate.google.nl/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teslamotorsclub.com%2Fshowthread.php%2F28693-Model-S-op-Stock (warning google translated)�
Mar 25, 2014
Chickenlittle so are you still on about the 100 available cars that never were? are you from nederland or neverland?�
Mar 25, 2014
schonelucht These cars have nothing to do with the 100 Frankfurt/Berlin cars as far as I know. I only ever reported on the Belgian sales organisations. Call the Brussels centre yourself if you don't believe the different posters in the linked thread.�
Mar 27, 2014
allz All in all - till end of 2013 we had 2 Model S and 1 Roadster registered in Latvia.
For a month or so i am in the registry list, and i will get monthly info on new EV registrations
All together EV in Latvia are ~ 17.. yes - 17 Electric Veh. in all country all together.
But thanks to Gov.Incentives - i think we will have at least 50 or maybe even 100+ new EV registrations by end of this year + at least 5-25 chaging points (slow and fast)
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Mar 27, 2014
Mario Kadastik Well today Estonia got its 3rd Model S and tomorrow there are two more arriving�
Mar 27, 2014
maoing http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/29111-EU-Market-Situation-ans-Outlook?p=615443&viewfull=1#post615443�
Apr 7, 2014
maekuz I updated the first post with the numbers for March 2014.�
Apr 7, 2014
Matthias Buhl Looks like a nice trend for EVs in general with solid numbers from Tesla only beaten by the heavily marketed BMW i3 wich also is available with a range extender. I'm curios how this table looks like at the end of the year and what it looks like if the BMWi3 "hybrids" wouldn't be on it.�
Apr 7, 2014
mrdoubleb I would say we may be spoiled by the fantastic numbers from Norway. If anything, Norway shows that Tesal at the price of a Passat can be highly successful (I think with all the EV incentives, that's what the Model S price compares to there).
However let's not forget the Model S and the i3 are in completley different price and size brackets. Just as we are not surprised that BMW sells more of the 3 series than the high end 5ers or 7 series, this should be expected too.
The Leaf and the Zoe numbers do suggest, however, that at that price/range ratio, EVs are only chosen by a few environmentalists who do not mind the downgrade compared to what that money could get them in an ICE car. I just heard VW may start selling the eGolf at EUR 35k. Hell, if I spent that much on a car, I sure as hell would not buy an eGolf! Having said that, if the Model E ends up around the same price in Europe, it should be a huge success. With about twice the range of the Golf, access to Superchargers and the performance/size of a 3series, that car should be a runaway hit.�
Apr 7, 2014
Yggdrasill One interesting fact is that the i3 sold in greater numbers in Norway than in Germany. 336 in March and 646 YTD. And still the Model S outsold the i3 five to one in March and about three to one YTD.
Of course, there are several reasons for this:
- i3 is still supply limited, just like the Model S
- Market for 100 mile city cars is proportionally smaller in Norway than in Germany. We hardly have any truly big cities that are almost completely self-contained.
- Market for 100 mile city cars is more saturated in Norway, by Leafs/iMiEVs/iOns/C-Zeros/Thinks/etc
I have serious doubts the i3 will ever be able to surpass the Model S in Norway, despite being significantly cheaper. The market for fully capable cars is just that much bigger, and the i3 is a lot more expensive than cars like the e-Up!. (Which has also outsold the i3 in Norway, with 379 in March and 720 YTD.)�
Apr 8, 2014
maekuz Some more data on the market in Germany:
This is a snapshot of the march numbers regarding first time registered luxury vehicles (first column). If Tesla keeps growing like this in april and may they will beat Daimler, BMW, and VW at their home turf.�
Apr 8, 2014
dirkhh I always wonder about these comparisons. The Model S is not at all comparable to an S Class or a 7 Series or an A8. Look at size, quality, available equipment... someone in the market for one of those cars would never settle for a Model S.
The Model S competes with the BMW M5 or 550, the E500 or corresponding AMG, the high end A6, etc.�
Apr 8, 2014
FluxCap For you, maybe. I disagree and so do many buyers who could afford an S Class, 7 series or A8, as they have spoken with their pocketbooks. On the one hand, some of those cars have features not in the Model S that might be desirable. On the other hand, none of them have now or will ever have much of what the Model S currently brings to its owners. Primarily, as I'm sure you know, they are simply held back by the engineering constraints of the fuel-burning engines that must be housed within them.�
Apr 8, 2014
SebastianR I think the Porsche Panamera numbers are going to be particularly interesting: To me there are no rational reasons to buy the Panamera over the Tesla (but then again I'm a bit biased ;-) And if I see this right, the Panamera is only a handful of cars ahead...�
Apr 8, 2014
hobbes Looking good!
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Apr 8, 2014
DaveT Awesome�
1/1/2015
guest The Model S can't compete with a BMW 7 series?!? This has got to be one of the strangest comments I've read on TMC.
- - - Updated - - -
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Apr 8, 2014
TSLAopt yes, the fact that you still have to go to a gas station with a 7 series or A8 and that you don't have that massive touch screen or smooth acceleration makes them very inferior to the S, these are three big advantages that outweighs smaller disadvantages to many people. Add on top of that the superior safety rating and any educated/open-minded person I think will likely buy a model S over the A8 or 7 series.
also the greater storage space and it looks better too and free updates over the internet�
Apr 8, 2014
Mario Kadastik I think most people have quabbles with interior comfort, ride noise and luxury elements in that category. In those the Model S is lacking, no doubt about it. But that's about the only issue and easily rectified while the advantages are not that easily rectified by others.
And I'm really baffled why Tesla doesn't do a better insulation job on the noise. One of the Model S owners here went and added noise suppression in the wheel wells to his car. Half a day of work, cost a couple hundred euros and the car is far far more silent now. If you drive in a brand new MB S-class you can hardly hear anything at all, that's the noise buffering that isn't that hard nor is it expensive. It's not a huge thing, but it does somewhat stand out, especially in an EV that is by nature relatively silent�
Apr 8, 2014
hershey101 Hey Mario, I would like to do this as well... Did the owner post how he did this?�
Apr 8, 2014
Mario Kadastik Well this probably should be branched off to some other part of the forum, but there are local companies that do it for any car. Here's a pic from mid-work.
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Apr 8, 2014
WarpedOne Time-to-market had a huge say in the option list.
Minimalist interior is not only "visual/usability design decision" but also a risk-managment factor.
They included what they deemed necesary - even left out some of those things
With time improvemenst are coming and will continue to do so .)
Roadster saw similar developements.�
Apr 8, 2014
dirkhh Here we go again. As I believe I mentioned, I have gone down this road before. Different people, same disconnect.
Would I pick a 7 series over my Model S? Heck no. (and yes, I could have trivially bought a nice 7 series - the fact that I picked a model S 60 has nothing to do with what I could have bought had I chosen to go that route).
But if you want to compare cars, you need to focus on what's comparable.
So forget engine / motor. Yes, Model S wins by an infinite margin.
Instead look at the interior, comfort, extras, fit and finish, quality, etc.
Here's what I did the last time I got into this argument with a local Tesla owner. He and I drove to the local BMW dealership (I'm sure they are still talking about us).
We put our two Model S next to a bunch of their cars and got in and out and in and out of those cars.
Consensus? In fit and finish, comfort, perception of quality, materials used... the Model S compares well to a 3 series, doesn't quite match a top of the line 5 series and is no where near a 7 series.
Yes, I'm happy to admit that many (most?) people here disagree and continue to focus on the easy competition. Suffice to say that Elon doesn't try to win against the 7 series. He doesn't tend to go for the low hanging fruit and the easy to achieve goals. He clearly positions the Model S against the 5 and the Model E against the 3. That's what the price points indicate, that's what the size and styling show you.�
May 7, 2014
hobbes 48 Model Ss registered in Germany in April: http://www.kba.de/cln_031/nn_330190/...014_04_pdf.pdf
Would guess after delivering as much as possible at end of quarter the delivery pipeline had to be filled again first, also deliveries to China... Is in line with lower deliveries for Norway in April as compared to March.�
May 7, 2014
vgrinshpun This is actually an excellent result. This total needs to be compared with the first month of Q1. In January there were 30 MS registered in Germany. So we have a 60% growth as compared with 1st month of Q1.�
May 7, 2014
hobbes To better compare the fluctuations, I made a plot for Norway and Germany registration numbers each normalized to their monthly average Oct13-Apr14, so 1 in the plot means an average delivery number for that month. Looks very much like an end-of-quarter push to me:
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May 7, 2014
Benz Well done, looks fine.�
May 7, 2014
Mario Kadastik Well from what I understood the Norwegian huge spike was a bit of an anomaly where they delivered the whole quarters worth of Model S's effectively in a couple of weeks / March. They maxed out at 96 deliveries on a single day (they tried to get to 100 just for the round number, but most Norwegians they called to come and pick up their cars essentially in the middle of the night were already drunk�
May 7, 2014
schonelucht True, there really was a huge end-of-quarter push for deliveries in every single country in Europe. The reason is clear from their Q1 letter to investors : deliveries was a small beat only. A loss on that number would have been quite bad in terms of the stock.�
May 12, 2014
hummingbird
@hobbes and others: A favor. I am gathering monthly Model S delivery numbers for all of 2013 and 2014 for the following European countries. Here is what I have so far, would appreciated it if everyone would help fill in the blanks or correct any errors:
Norway:
jul ?
aug ?
sep ?
oct 98
nov 527
dec 553
jan 132
feb 431
mar 1494
apr 172
Netherlands:
jul ?
aug ?
sep ?
oct ?
nov ?
dec ?
jan ?
feb ?
mar ?
(2014 Q1 207)
apr ?
Germany:
jul ?
aug ?
sep ?
oct ?
nov ?
dec ?
jan 30
feb 66
mar 143
apr 48
Belgium:
monthly #s ?
Denmark:
monthly #s ?
Switzerland:
monthly numbers ?
If you have 2013 and 2014 monthly numbers for other European countries please share!�
May 12, 2014
Pate I plan to keep the monthly registrations in Finland updated in the first post of this thread: Finland
Hope this helps!�
May 14, 2014
VolkerP consider the wiki functionality of TMC. Admins can help you set up a wiki article up thread.�
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