Jun 3, 2014
wk057 So, it's been about two weeks since a USA supercharger was opened...
Looking at a digital comparison between the current map and the "End of 2014" map, highlighting differences, there are 102 supercharges on the "End of 2014" map in the USA (and 12 in Canada) that are not yet open.
According to supercharge.info, 7 of those are under construction and 9 have permits (and 1 permit in Canada). So, lets assume those 16 will be done, that leaves 86 yet to be done for this year in the USA.
It is June 3rd, the 154th day of the year... so, not even taking out weekends that leaves 211 days in 2014. With 102 superchargers to open, that is roughly a new opening every other day for the rest of the year, or 3 to 4 per week.
Now, at the fastest opening rate yet, 23 superchargers were opened in the 31 days of January... at that rate, these 102 are attainable... but that was January... and in the four months that followed, only 21 were opened in total, a rate of about one or two per week. At that rate (the current rate...) the "End of 2014" map is impossible.
Anyone want to place some votes on how this will pan out?
Update 2014-09-03:
Looks like 17 superchargers have opened out of the 102 that remained unopened when I started this thread. That is 16.6% of the work done using 43.6% of the time available since I started the thread...
Works out to needing an opening every weekday until the end of the year to finish the 2014 map in 2014. As much as I love Tesla, that's just not going to happen.�
Jun 3, 2014
jerry33 As I recall, last year it seemed as if none were being built and then all of a sudden it was mushroom city. I suspect this year will be the same.�
Jun 5, 2014
Kraken Someone said that at the shareholders meeting Elon Mentioned doubling the number of Super Chargers by Years end... that would be consistent with the assumption they would all be finished.�
Jun 6, 2014
Chipper Let's see...has Elon ever set a date that Tesla has been able to keep? Don't get me wrong. Love the guy! Absolutely LOVE his creations! But setting dates has not been his strongpoint.�
Jun 6, 2014
Kraken Definitely agree, I'm just saying the numbers jive�
Jun 6, 2014
Shumdit
Agreed on all points. Would love to be wrong about this, but anyone who has following Tesla and Elon would know that he sometimes bites off more than he can chew with dates. Maybe they should see if they can clone Steve Jobs from one of his old toothbrushes. He seemed to be able to get things accomplished that his employees swore could not be done in the timeframe he was giving them!�
Jun 9, 2014
mknox Well, not for Canada. We haven't got a single Supercharger at all. Their "End of 2013" map wasn't even reliable.�
Jun 9, 2014
100thMonkey it was painfully slow with the first push and then all of a sudden, boom, it became breathtaking. I suspect the same thing is going to happen again. most of the work is scouting and finding a good location and negotiating a deal. there is a lot happening that we can't see just from the list of permits in the works. If Tesla thought they were way behind, I suspect they'd adjust back the map rather than add locations, like they just did. Honestly, from the bit of work I've done with charging networks in this area, the speed at which Tesla's network is going up is very impressive!�
Jun 9, 2014
wk057 Looking at a difference between my snapshots and the new one from today, they just shifted in an additional supercharger in Kansas since one of the actual sites was further west than the original map point, added another additional Kansas point that was never on any map (not even 2015), and added a point in Canada north of Toronto.�
Jun 9, 2014
Doug_G Yeah, but that's all we ever get in Canada! Little dots.�
Jun 18, 2014
wk057 Looks like construction finally started on one in Canada!
Also, looks like people seem pretty optimistic. Should be cool to see how this goes.
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Jun 19, 2014
jerry33 Note to self: Ensure Canada gets big dots.�
Sep 3, 2014
wk057 Looks like 17 superchargers have opened out of the 102 that remained unopened when I started this thread. That is 16.6% of the work done using 43.6% of the time available since I started the thread...
Works out to needing an opening every weekday until the end of the year to finish the 2014 map in 2014. As much as I love Tesla, that's just not going to happen.�
Sep 3, 2014
invisik I hate to agree, but I think you're right. Even if half of them were in Permit stage they still probably wouldn't make it. I wish they would have at least gotten a route or two in the big hole in the Midwest connected. Ahh well, they will come in time. Keep watching for map updates, one is bound to come soon for Q4 projections.
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Sep 3, 2014
mitch672 They are very far behind in the Northeast. The Sagamore Supercharger on cape cod construction is finished, but now they are waiting on NStar to deliver the transformer... This is the first SuperCharger in Massachusetts.. There are none in New Hampshire, Maine or Vermont, and winter will be upon us in no time, and they will miss another ski season here. But there are several recently opened in... China.�
Sep 3, 2014
swegman People keep saying that Tesla built a large number of SC's at the end of 2013, and will likely do so again this year. But keep in mind the push last year was to allow Elon to make his trip with his family. We don't have that this year.�
Sep 3, 2014
invisik Just saw this other thread about Dayton, OH supercharger deployment... Apparently Meijers stores has a good relationship with Tesla. (message #20 http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/31552-Supercharger-Dayton-OH/page2) . Here's hoping maybe we'll have a surprise announcement one day saying X number of Meijers stores are getting superchargers! That would certainly help the schedule.
I did also review the chart on supercharge.info and last year December/January were big deployment months.. maybe Dec 2014/ Jan 2015 will be similar.....
-m�
Sep 4, 2014
jerry33 They haven't even started on un-islanding Texas. Very disappointed.�
Sep 4, 2014
Chipper IDK Jerry, but keeping Texans in their place might not be such a bad thing...�
Sep 4, 2014
ItsNotAboutTheMoney Assuming unislanding is going to happen through OKC, the KS Superchargers are kind of progress.�
Sep 4, 2014
Larry Chanin Yes, not much chance.
For Florida your updated map is missing a red dot for the Lake City Supercharger that went operational, and it is missing two "Coming Soon" dots. That leaves 7 dots for Florida that would have to be completed by year-end. We are virtually certain that two of the 7 will be completed. One is having a planning meeting later this month. It is conceivable it could be done by year-end. The rest are off our radar and we have no information regarding any progress.
Larry�
Sep 4, 2014
wk057 I actually didn't update the image just added the new info.�
Sep 4, 2014
iffatall I guess everyone agrees the planned number cannot be reached. But what do you guys think is a reachable number? Half of the remaining? Quarter? I guess there is a reason the 2015 map does not have that many new ones :tongue:�
Sep 4, 2014
wk057 Just linear extrapolation would say about 35%.
Extrapolated further that puts completion of the 2014 map sometime around August 2015.�
Sep 4, 2014
GreenT It's only September 4!
That's 1/3rd of the year still to go.�
Sep 4, 2014
wk057 Tesla definitely seems more focused on roll out of the supercharger network outside North America.... which probably explains the lag in buildout.... but doesn't make me feel better about it.
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They'd have to nearly double the number of USA superchargers in that time frame. Pretty much impossible IMO.
If somehow they manage a miracle and pull it off I will be absolutely amazed... but it's not going to happen.�
Sep 5, 2014
mochouinard You got permit, construction and installation.
The part that take time is permit and construction. Those can be done by people external to Tesla and can scale very quickly. Every city in the world have crew that can do this at the exact same time. Of course there a question of the supercharger equipment it self ! Maybe it true lot have been going out to international location. I'm hoping that if they did the hard physical work, the final part of install could be done pretty quickly across north america.
What interesting is that Tesla use the same charger used inside the Tesla car, but just use +12 of them per 2 stall (10kW * 12 = 120kW) ! So they can scale production pretty quickly on those. Also actual car production stopped for 2 week, so that mean if they build 800 car per week, they have already 133 extra supercharging station charger ready if they didn't slow down the production. Now how much actual housing and rest of the hardware does it take them to make, I got no idea !
So apart from the making of the SuperCharger itself, they could build them in every city in the world in 2014 ! Only require to drop in the charger afterward !
So it possible to make that 2014 map true... It could be if they got the permit and construction started AND can physically produce the charger housing and extra components fast enough.
I'm personally a little more pissed about the lack of super charger in Canada. And I don't want a map that look like the US (waste of $ since most our land is inhabited) But in eastern Canada, we would need an additional 18 SC in eastern canada to make lot of people happy and make vacation for Canadian and American much quicker !�
Sep 6, 2014
iffatall One fine morning, the Coming Soon, 2014, 2015 tabs will change to Coming Soon, Spring 2015, Summer 2015, End of 2015 - we will make some noise here, and then everyone will go back to betting on when six will be out.�
Sep 6, 2014
PhilBa It's so funny, even as recently as a week ago, I was saying "no way, not even close" and getting starry eyed arguments about how this is Tesla and they can do it. My guess is about 145-150 in NA. That's actually pretty good but the problem with over promising is that all the good that does get done doesn't seem to count by those with dashed hopes.
Tesla, breeding a new generation of discontented owners, one coming soon map at a time.
For the record, I'm just happy to see that they are still building them in North America, even if it is at the slowest pace since late spring 2013.�
Sep 7, 2014
internauts I found this thread because I am looking for more certain estimates of a couple supercharges needed to be able to drive from Seattle to visit my family in Boise. This thread suggests I should not be making any plans based on dots that say 2015. I'll still be interested in any source that someone knows to provide a link here.�
Sep 7, 2014
jkirkebo The new EU ones have 15 chargers each. Max ~120kW per car, so aleays at least 30kW available.�
Sep 7, 2014
Lump From the Supercharger in Ellendburg Wa. to Boise its 400 miles but from The Dalles, OR. Supercharger its 345 miles so while not ideal there are a few private residents, a casino etc... you can use until Superchargers are built PlugShare - EV Charging Station Map - Find a place to charge your car!
Many use this site for Supercharging openings, shows permiting & construction, Superchargers�
Sep 7, 2014
Tyl My dream.....
Elon to crew, "Make it so."
That said....
I do think Tesla will have the 83 remaining supercharging sites up and running by the end of the year. I also think the 2015 map dots will be completed by the end of 2015 with a few extras we don't know about yet.
JBS has stated that they will continue to fill in areas even after that. Placing superchargers around the country will continue for some time. Once the Model 3 is being produced and sold superchargers will be ubiquitously everywhere.
Tesla is long term. Very long term.�
Sep 7, 2014
Cottonwood I like the "make it so" idea, but I'm not sure it will happen.
Where did the 83 number come from? See the original post in this thread and 100th Supercharger! - 2014 Count. If you take the current North American count as 112, including Chattanooga, then 211 minus 112 is 99 Superchargers to go in North America. That is 99 Superchargers to go live in North America in the 115 days left this year.
I'd love to see the Tesla team and their contractors "make it so" at Elon's direction, but getting 99 Superchargers live and charging, in 115 days seems like a very, very long shot to me.�
Sep 7, 2014
wk057 USA... wasn't counting those dang Canadian ones...�
Sep 10, 2014
tezco Looks like about 60 opened so far in the US in 2014 per the Wiki. Another 83 seems unlikely. It also looks like quite a few opened in January, many of which probably were carry-overs from 2013. (And only about 6 opened in August.)�
Sep 11, 2014
Tyl Cottonwood... I came up with the 83 number by doing an overlay of the current Tesla supercharger N America (U.S.) map and the 'end' 2014 map. My count was 85 then and now reduced to 83. I did it rather quickly to get a number that Tesla was showing via their map. So as those end 2014 dots turn red I reduce the number by one.
Not very scientific, I know, It just worked for me as their projection!
I DO think Tesla will get 'r' done!�
Sep 11, 2014
detlefo I've never viewed the future maps as "cast in stone" more as a framework. Locations are pretty vague and in some cases unrealistic. For example two chargers to get across Nevada will never work, even with the addition of the Truckee SC, which is up and running and was never on any future supercharger map. In the original plan the 4 corners area was high and dry, but then Farmington NM unexpectedly popped up. I have no idea of how many chargers now exist that were not in the original plan, but, I suspect there are others. Having gone through years with my LEAF with the promise of ChaDeMo chargers unfullfilled in CA I think that Tesla is doing an incredible job with with its build out and am confident that they will get it right. imho�
Sep 11, 2014
dhanson865 Let me be the first to say 6 came out already. See Firmware 6.0�
Sep 11, 2014
iffatall ha ha�
Sep 11, 2014
tom66 I think Tesla are focusing resources and finances more on Europe and Asia, which is probably sensible as they're introducing cars there so they want to provide an incentive to purchase. There are planned to be 13 superchargers in Japan alone, and London's getting a 4th supercharger. Crazy how fast this network is building out.�
Sep 11, 2014
Cottonwood I went back and did a careful count. (It gets a little tight and confusing around New York City) I may be plus or minus one or two, but I think that I am pretty close. Below is the map that I worked from if someone else wants to do a count.
I subdivided by the TMC regions as defined at North America. Here are my results:
That give a North American total of 213 and a U.S. total of 200. If you look at Supercharger.Info then the current North American total is 113 and the U.S. total is 110, for a shortfall of 100 in North America and 90 in the U.S. That count includes the Supercharger in central Chicago that Tesla does not have on their map, but we will give Tesla that one.
Region Count
Canada 13
Hawaii
Northwest 16
California 26
Mountain/Southwest 43
Texas 6
Midwest/Great Lakes 35
Southeast 22
Florida 12
Mid-Atlantic 27
New England 13
Total 213
Interesting observations: The only states without a Supercharger on this map are Arkansas, Alaska, Hawaii, Iowa, Nebraska, and North Dakota. California has the most of any state with 26, and the Southwest has the most of any region with 43.
Please, if someone has better counts, correct me. With 111 calendar days, or about 3.5 months, left in the year, and the number of sites in the permit phase and construction phase, I don't see how Tesla can get close to the numbers on the 2014 map.
Tesla, please prove me wrong!
Screen shot from Tesla Motors Supercharger Page today:
My subdivide and count work. The circled numbers are region totals, and some regions were further subdivided for easier counting. At the New York Connecticut border, the little blue tic is because I put what I think is Greenwich, CT in the New England count and not the Mid-Atlantic count.
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Sep 11, 2014
Tyl I'll go blind if I do this again!!!!!! but here is my math.... I came up with 82 more to go in the U. S. I laughed when I saw Cottonwoods maps! They looked the ones on my desk:biggrin::biggrin: Here's mine. I circled the ones yet to come according to Tesla's end 2014 map.
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Sep 11, 2014
Cottonwood I found it far easier to count all of the red dots on the 2014 map and then subtract the tally on Supercharger.Info. That way I don't have to ID new sites. We do have a difference of 90 - 82 or 8. That is a pretty big difference. On first glance, I think that you missed a couple near NYC and Erie, PA. BTW, I claim the real number to look at is 100 to go; I want to do some drives in Canada. It's pretty nice up there!
Anyone else want to give it a try?�
Sep 11, 2014
RiverBrick How many "End of 2013" sites are not yet up?
TM released a SpC video in May 2013, and in it you can find a "within six months," so Nov 2013 screen:
Staying within my neighboring states and provinces gives these MIA locations:
1) London, Ontario --- Was yanked from its purgatory of "Coming Soon" last Spring, but still appears on End of 2014.
2) Belleville, Ontario --- Has disappeared from all public 2014-2015 maps, perhaps because it was considered redundant to Kingston, Ontario. Unfortunately, though Kingston is listed as "Coming Soon," the start of construction doesn't appear imminent.
3) Somewhere between Portland, ME and Portsmouth, NH --- Listed as "Coming Soon," but is there proof that a location has been found and permitted?
4) A South-Central NH location --- No longer on any map, but there will eventually be a site in Hookset, NH.
In the next screen from the video, "by May 2014," there are seven sites within Summer driving distance of me. Only one, Cornwall, is open. However, I knew there were going to be delays when I purchased.�
Sep 27, 2014
wk057 So looking more and more like this isn't happening
The blue dots in this difference map between the current map and the latest end of 2014 map are the ones on the 2014 map that are not yet open.
I counted 87 unopened in the USA.
Today is day 270 of 2014, leaving 95 days in the year. That means we need about 6 to 7 superchargers opened per week in the USA alone to make the 2014 map happen.
My money is on maybe 15 more openings this year, mainly because it seems like the USA just is not Tesla's focus anymore.�
Sep 27, 2014
DieAbetic Tesla I need to make it from California to Virginia for Christmas in a 60. Make it happen!�
Sep 27, 2014
wk057 Can't that already be done?�
Sep 27, 2014
DieAbetic Yes, SamO and a few others did it. To clarify, I'd like to take a more southern route to get there. Current route would add a lot of time driving.�
Sep 28, 2014
wk057 Yeah, I'm hoping at least I-70 is done by next summer. I think that's doable. By December probably not.
I-40 would be even better...�
Oct 3, 2014
swegman It is becoming more disappointing each day as it appears likely that Tesla will not get anywhere even remotely close to their projections. Looking at supercharger.info, the majority of Tesla's efforts appear to be directed to Europe and Asia.�
Oct 3, 2014
araxara On the bright side, near the end of the year (i.e. now), the Coming Soon map should have more dots than the 2014 map. That's assuming Tesla updates the map accordingly.�
Oct 3, 2014
wk057 Yeah, unfortunately that seems to be the case...
In the past 6 months Tesla has been opening a new supercharger in North America an average of every 5.45 days. I'll note that the past 6 months would have been pretty much the optimal construction season also.
In Europe they have been opening superchargers on average every 3.21 days, and in Asia every 9 days. Combined non-North America average of an opening every 2.37 days, over twice as much effort as North America. Europe alone is getting 70% more openings than North America.
There are still plenty of dots on the Coming Soon map that were there when I got my Model S at the beginning of the year that are still not open. Definitely not "soon" IMO.
So yeah, definitely disappointing that North America, by the numbers, has definitely been thrown on the back burner.�
Oct 4, 2014
iffatall I am fine with the delays as long as the reason is the necessary European (or Asian) ramp up, and the rate of adding of SCs will go back to being (positively) correlated with car sales. I am hoping that Tesla is not thinking - once we have the major routes covered, once the (almost meaningless) coverage circles cover up the entire country, we can relax and focus more on the maintenance of existing SC infrastructure than adding more.�
Oct 5, 2014
Cottonwood Go to Superchargers and click on the "Charts" selection in the upper right. This is a good chart of cumulative installs by regions, North America, Europe, and Asia. The big push in Dec 2013 and Jan 2014 in North America for the Elon road trip, the work in Europe in July/Aug 2014 for the European August vacation season are pretty obvious.
Using the data that you can get from mouse-overs on this chart, I get the following results for the 3 months of July, August, and September:
[table="width: 600, class: grid]
Region Completed per Month Total Begin End
North America 6.33 19 98 117
Europe 15.33 46 24 70
Asia 5.67 17 3 20
Total 27.33 82 125 207
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It looks like Tesla is getting pretty close to a Supercharger a day install rate, the question is how will those be allocated world-wide.
I hope that more will come to North America soon. Covering some key routes and regions in the near future would really be nice. Tesla if you are listening, here is my wish list, sorted geographically. You are already working on most of these, but as a farmer that I worked for as a teenager used to say, "Don't wanna rush y'all none, but every little chance ya git, hurry up!"
- Western Canada through to Edmonton.
- I-90, Washington State to South Dakota.
- I-80, California to Utah.
- I-70 from Denver to Baltimore.
- I-40 and I-35 routes into Texas.
- Chicago to Florida Route.
- I-10 from Texas to Florida.
- Detroit to Toronto to Montreal to Boston.
- New England connections to the ski areas and Maine.
- Key West, just because...
After that, 48,000 miles of Interstate Highways at 133 miles per Supercharger could be covered by about 360 Superchargers. Of course there is Canada and all those interesting non-interstate routes. Just keep building Superchargers...�
Oct 5, 2014
swegman Something is wrong with the Europe numbers.�
Oct 5, 2014
Cottonwood Thanks!
I had a typo. The Europe end number is 70, not 17. Now corrected.
BTW, the current Europe number is 72, but the last two went live in October.�
Oct 5, 2014
detlefo @Cottonwood, You left out I-80 Truckee to Salt Lake City. Very high on my wish list. How long do Central CA Teslas have to go North or South to get to the rest of the country? I would guess that the SF Bay Area is probably has one of the densities of Teslas in the country.�
Oct 5, 2014
mrElbe Biggest delay is time to obtain local permits. Most zoning regulations do not allow auto fueling service stations because they were written for gasoline types.�
Oct 5, 2014
Cottonwood Very good point! Nephi, UT to Truckee, CA is 634 miles. With perfect placement and 133 miles between Superchargers, that is only 4 Superchargers. Put in one more for limited choices in location across remote Nevada and Utah, and it's still only 5 Superchargers to install to create a very important link. I added it to my list above.
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Planning and Zoning approval can take from 0 to many months depending on the local government and politics. For example, it appears that Red Deer, AB does not require any approvals: Western Canada Superchargers - Red Deer, AB � Transformer install and connection can take a few days to many months. The most constant seems to be construction time at 3-5 weeks for most locations.
It is important to remember that no matter what the delays, if Tesla keeps starting locations at a certain rate, eventually (after all the delays settle out), Superchargers will be turned on at that same rate. Tesla just has to keep starting locations and building the Supercharger Cabinets to supply the builds!�
Oct 5, 2014
simonog There must be a two things going on here surely: firstly, to access a new country, Tesla has to install a basic number of superchargers; and secondly the easy sites will be picked off first, giving rise to apparent high initial install rate then dropping to a lower, steady state rate.�
Oct 5, 2014
wws In my mind, Tesla missed a very historic opportunity by not completing I-80 first. It largely follows the first transcontinental railroad, the first transcontinental telegraph line, and the first transcontinental road network - the Lincoln Highway. I-80 itself was one the first transcontinental interstate highway routes to be completed. It would have been Very Cool PR if the first transcontinental supercharging network had also been along I-80. (Of course I am biased because I've lived near I-80, in one part of the country or another, for all but three years of my life. It is my 'mother road'.)�
Oct 5, 2014
Cottonwood Actually, the Lincoln Highway across Nevada and Utah went mostly via what is now US-50, "The Loneliest Road in America." See Lincoln Highway - Wikipedia. If you need to go from Truckee connecting to I-70 where there is a current Supercharger route, the Loneliest Highway is the best route.
I would love to seen the Loneliest Highway Supercharged! Loneliest Highway Guide�
Oct 5, 2014
detlefo I like the way you think, had not considered the historical perspective. Perhaps we can attack it as coming full circle to the origin of transcontinental travel. I am concerned that the future map shows only two Superchargers between Truckee and Nephi. Actually, this is all that was planned even before Truckee was added. I am confident that the SC Team will see the error of their ways. We should help them with our emails.�
Oct 5, 2014
wws I've driven both I-80 and Highway 50 through Nevada a number of times. Though it has been about 30 years since the last time I drove Highway 50s 'lonely portion'. Travelling east, yes the Lincoln Highway was the basis for todays Highway 50. But it did go north up to Salt Lake City - to todays I-80.
The Lincoln Highway went a bit north of current I-80 in Iowa and Illinois - which made sense considering the bridge situation over the Mississippi 100 years ago. But when I-80 was built, it made a lot more sense to route it nearer to the Quad Cities (Rock Island, Moline, and East Moline, Illinois and Davenport and Bettendorf, Iowa. Yes there are five cities that make up the Quad Cities...)�
Oct 5, 2014
wws Sadly, my opinion would carry little weight at Tesla since I am not a current owner. But that may change soon.
I am a little concerned about their 2015 map showing superchargers along I-80 in Omaha, Des Moines, and the Quad Cities. Omaha-Des Moines may be ok. But according to evtripplanner, Des Moines-QC may be a little tight in a S/60.�
Oct 6, 2014
N4HHE All I want for Christmas is I-65.
Nashville and Louisville haven't even started. Thank you for finishing Indianapolis.
Get'r done! Else I'm going to burn 38 gallons of diesel.�
Oct 6, 2014
wws If you could lay your hands on a CHAdeMO adapter by then, it would solve the Nashville piece.�
Oct 6, 2014
RiverBrick
The first Model S deliveries to Canada were in December 2012, but the first Canadian superchargers didn't arrive until the Summer of 2014.�
Oct 7, 2014
N4HHE I'm on the waiting list. :frown:�
Oct 7, 2014
mknox Yes, and there's still only 3 on-line :cursing:�
Oct 7, 2014
iffatall What happened to the Casa Grande SC in Arizona? It was added over the weekend, and the North American count was increased on 116. Last evening, I saw the count go back to 115 and the SC removed from the list. The dot is still there on the map though.
This was the link when the SC was added: Sign into My Tesla | Tesla Motors�
Oct 7, 2014
simonog +1 - I wish I could get one here in the UK! Ordered and paid for 5 months ago...�
Oct 8, 2014
swegman Last SC to come on line in the US was Sept 29, a week ago. No indications of any new permits granted or construction starts this past week, according to supercharge.info. Not looking good to reach 200 US operational SC by the end of 2014, let alone my prior guess of 140. Hope I will be proven wrong.�
Oct 8, 2014
glenhurst At the Minnesota Tesla Owners & Enthusiasts (or whatever we're called) get-together last night, it was brought up that some folks in Iowa are trying to organize a Tesla rally to respond to the Iowa Auto Dealers Assoc. forcing Tesla to cut short the test drive event they had in Des Moines a few weeks ago. The dealers had argued that since Tesla didn't have a dealers license in Iowa, it could not offer test drives. The Tesla fans in Iowa had contacted the MN Tesla group and I think the one in Chicago, too, to come for this rally. So, a bunch of Tesla owners are planning to go down to Des Moines on or around Oct. 25 to just show people what Teslas are like. The challenge for us coming from the Twin Cities is that the last SC on the way is at Albert Lea, MN. We can make it down to Des Moines, but finding a good place to charge for the trip back is harder. All of this is a roundabout way of saying I, too, would like to see a SC along I-80 somewhere around Des Moines.�
Oct 25, 2014
iffatall The number of Superchargers, the map, and the list of Superchargers on Tesla's Supercharger page have gone out of sync with each other again! Right now, the number is 121 for NA, while the list only includes 120 SCs. The map has at least one dot missing (Big Timber, MT, which was added to the list within the last couple of days).�
Nov 23, 2014
wk057 Update: For the USA, I count 72 superchargers on the 2014 map that are not on the "currently open" map as of today, with 38 days left in 2014. $50 says they don't make it. lol.�
Nov 25, 2014
swegman I wouldn't take that bet. Its discouraging when everyday a newSC comes online or starts construction in Europe and Asia and there is silence with respect to SCs in the U.S. I predicted there would be 140 SC in the U.S. (far short of the 200 that Tesla's map show), but unless things pick up real fast, we won't even reach my 140 prediction. I would love to be shown otherwise.�
Nov 25, 2014
MartinAustin Perhaps the "Tesla Website Supercharger Timeline Mess" (as I hope they currently refer to it inside Tesla) is something that Ricardo Reyes will make sure is fixed up, since, it's communicating Tesla information to us.
For example, there is nothing clearly defining "COMING SOON" or "2014" and why, on November 25th, they are still individually selectable. Superchargers has more information!�
Nov 25, 2014
iffatall I think there is a good chance we will reach 140. Lately, 3-4 SCs are being added to the list every week. But you are right, we will certainly fall far short of the 2014 map. What I am even more afraid of is Tesla's claim of covering 98% of population. I hope 98% or even 100% doesn't get construed as we have sufficient.
At some point, the delta dots in coming soon should be more in number than delta dots in 2014. But who are we kidding. No one in Tesla even remembers now that the Coming Soon, 2014, and 2015 points on the slider even exist.�
Nov 25, 2014
N4HHE With a month remaining Superchargers says they have 130 open, 14 under construction, and 12 with permits for construction. Might make 140 by year's end, but not the 2 most important to me, Nashville and Louisville on the 2014 map and haven't even selected a site yet.�
Dec 3, 2014
Tyl Here is a map... Again!!:crying: Hopefully the number of superchargers needed to make the map come true will drop under 50 when the superchargers that are currently under construction are completed.
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Dec 20, 2014
wk057 At the rate things are going Europe will have more open superchargers by Q2 2015 than North America.... which is pretty disappointing.�
Dec 20, 2014
iffatall In other words, half of Europe may have more Superchargers than the entire USA soon. Just trying to make it sound worse ha ha... because it does bother me.�
Dec 20, 2014
jcaspar One more closer to the number as I just saw the Supercharger units arrive for installation at the Rocklin Service Center. Might not make the 1/1 deadline but will be close. That will be 3 for the Sacramento area!
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