Oct 22, 2013
jomo25 Tesla Model S to get app support and Chrome by late 2014 (video)�
Oct 22, 2013
widodh That's still a year from now, but that would be great! I'd love to see a native Spotify App running inside the car to play my music.
Currently I never use the browser, but Chrome would be an improvement, since the current one is slow and sluggish.
Youtube would be nice while at a charger! If they would install WiFi at some charging stations you wouldn't need to use your 3G data connection for playing a video and it would be a lot faster.�
Oct 23, 2013
andrewket Wifi at the superchargers is a good idea. It could be part of the data package.�
Oct 23, 2013
evme Please refrain from playing Asphalt 8 while driving lol
I wonder if with it they will include entertainment systems in the back as well?�
Oct 23, 2013
ipryor I always wondered why the infotainment system wasn't setup with apps from the get go. Just seems like it's what everyone is used to these days anyway.
That would be fantastic though - just think of the possibilities! (Netflix, Hulu?)�
Oct 23, 2013
yobigd20 pretty sure that video playback in chrome and flash will be disabled.�
Oct 23, 2013
Argelius 2014? That's like an eternity... :smile:
With that large screen the possibilities are awesome. I'm thinking of all the useful apps on my phone that would be great to have in the car, like Waze, weather, calendar, etc�
Oct 23, 2013
AnOutsider Not so thrilled about an android emulator being shoehorned in. They don't need high volume, so why make it simple for folks to port over crappy apps instead of purpose-built ones?�
Oct 23, 2013
mknox I'm hoping they can enable when the car is in "Park". It would be great to watch videos when stopped and charging, for instance. My last car could play DVDs on the front screen with the car in Park and a rental Ford Fusion I had came with A/V inputs in the center console. Of all cars, the Model S most needs this feature because people will be sitting for some time while the car charges if there is nothing else to do nearby.�
Oct 23, 2013
dirkhh Yes, playing in park appears to be legal. And hiding the Android sandbox when the car is not in park should be trivial.
But decent HTML 5 support would be much easier and about as useful.�
Oct 23, 2013
Gizmotoy Because then they don't have to convince/pay people to develop apps for the car, owners can simply utilize ones already developed. There's essentially no business case for developing a custom app for use with a (current) maximum of 25k people, unless you're the app developer and you also happen to own a Tesla.
Take the Spotify example above, which I also seriously want. It took them forever to simply get an Android app, and at the time Android had orders of magnitude more users than there are Model Ss.
The hope would be that Tesla follows this up with a mechanism for writing native apps, and Android apps that see success on the Model S could be ported.�
Oct 23, 2013
AnOutsider Yes, but still. A ported spotify app? Designed to run on a phone... on your 17" screen? Hardly ideal unless they take the time to optimize it -- and if what you say is true: why bother with a 25k install base... why bother porting at all?
IMO Tesla SHOULD pay to have apps developed, or develop them in-house to maintain a level of quality (both in usability and stability within the code).�
Oct 23, 2013
Gizmotoy I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. Developers won't bother to create a native port given the small install base, that was exactly my point. With an Android Emulator, you can run existing Android apps without modification. Many Android apps have tablet versions, which would probably work pretty well on the Tesla's touchscreen without requiring any tinkering at all by the developers. If the developers see a lot of usage on the Tesla platform, then they might decide to port/rewrite the app natively.�
Oct 23, 2013
AnOutsider My point is that I don't want ported android apps running in my car. In general, I find android apps to be poorly-written and unstable to begin with (not to mention unsecured). Sandbox or not, that just doesn't seem like a great thing to have on the 17" dash -- especially when Tesla has put a lot of effort into the usability and UI of the current apps. Have you experienced ported android apps on BB10?
Just like the current apps, I'd prefer it if Tesla either paid companies to build specific apps for their platform or built a new wave of apps in-house. Sure, that may mean fewer apps, but I'll talk quality over quantity any day.�
Oct 23, 2013
Gizmotoy Nobody's going to be forcing you to use them. Sure, we'd all prefer native apps, but since that's not going to be an option for everything I'll take the emulator and a wide selection over nothing at all.�
Oct 23, 2013
brianman I prefer a native SDK regardless of what they do with emulation.
I don't want to write my Tesla apps for an android emulator.�
Oct 23, 2013
jive_devil There might only be an installed base of 25k users, but who says native Tesla apps would have the Android pricepoint? If the apps cost $25 or $50 instead of $1, would that change a developers thinking?
Based on what I have observed from owners on this Board, I consider it likely that some of us would pay those amounts for some well-executed native apps (like Spotify or Waze).�
Oct 23, 2013
Eggplant Chrome... What about support for chrome native client for apps instead of an android emulator? The hardware on the Model S isn't beefy... I cannot imagine an android emulator running well.�
Oct 23, 2013
AnOutsider I'd pay $100 for a well integrated version of waze�
Oct 23, 2013
leonari count me in for 100 $ as well. waze rocks�
Oct 23, 2013
Newscutter I'm a little tech-stupid so, break it down for me:
Are these things that could be updated and used on the EXISTING car or would this require a different head unit? (i.e. retrofit being either impossible or expensive)�
Oct 23, 2013
wcalvin Window on 17" for remote control of iphone/Androids.�
Oct 23, 2013
phat78boy If they could integrate Google Now, it would be the perfect car system to me. Sync my tiles from my phone/computer and allow me to use its voice commands and search functions...perfect. Chrome has this ability in a PC, sure hope they retain that for the Model S.�
Oct 23, 2013
richkae 250+ million android devices vs 25,000 Teslas...
If you made a good app for the Tesla you would probably be ecstatic to sell 100 copies.
The motivation for native Tesla apps is going to have to be helping the community, not making a living.�
Oct 23, 2013
HiTech By end of 2014, we are talking about at least 60,000 Teslas. Then it'll go up by at least 50-100k per year.
Also, for anyone that has an app already built, this would be some modification only. At about $5/app, you are talking about an opportunity of upto $250-500k/yr. Not a bad living at all!�
Oct 23, 2013
richkae The top free android apps have 500 million + downloads.
The top paid android apps have 1 million + downloads.
The market shows that less than 0.2% of android users will pay for the top "must have" app for a couple of bucks.
You think that 100% of Tesla owners will buy any app? I think if you mange to sell an app to 2% of Tesla owners you would be doing incredibly well, but not well enough to make a living.�
Oct 23, 2013
dirkhh This is purely a software update. The head unit already is running Linux (and Tesla is violating the GPL while they are at it - but they are working on fixing this). So this is "simply" adding a different runtime environment and sandboxing it appropriately.
So technically all this isn't that hard. The fact that mister "optimism personified" gives you a one year time frame for it, with so many much more critical things already queued up and taking way longer than promised, should make you skeptical as to when realistically to expect this. Or if at all.�
Oct 24, 2013
AnOutsider Plus the base gen 3 vehicles may not have the screen and apps�
Oct 24, 2013
Gizmotoy We actually don't know that yet. Elon's quote said they needed to make some upgrades before they could move forward, but didn't go into details. It could be all software, as you mention, or it could require more powerful hardware. We just don't know.
That seems pretty unlikely, given most current EVs have at least small touch screens. The Gen 3 might not have a 17" screen, but it'll have something. Hell, I've been in rented Ford Escapes and Chrysler 300s that have touchscreens with apps in the past month (not that they were any good, but still). And if they're smart they keep the same app SDK to expand their installed base and lure developers.�
Oct 24, 2013
AnOutsider Maybe so. Elon did say maybe one screen instead of 2. In which case, they'd be going with physical dials on the screen behind the steering wheel to make the center screen happen.�
Oct 24, 2013
dirkhh Correct. We don't know. But some of us here know the software stack fairly well, have a solid understanding of the hardware that's in the main computer, and have experience how something like this would be architected (the wind speed information comes from a server - so this only works when you are connected, so why not do the compute intensive part of this on a server, anyway?).
What I'm saying is "it is quite straight forward to do this, based on the information that we have, with the existing hardware and just a software update". Literally - all I need is an API that gives me the destination the user entered and I could pretty much do this server side today. Give me a second API that allows me to feed a route into the navigation system and we are done.
This is NOT rocket science.�
Oct 24, 2013
Stoneymonster I'd go further and say that doing any of this stuff locally would be a colossal mistake.�
Oct 24, 2013
evme It is not like they are forcing you to use them. Using BB10 is not a good example because BB10 uses QNX. Tesla uses Linux in their infotainment system, this makes mapping of functions 1 for 1. It would be no different than running Android on an Android device. Android apps as of 4.X should be coded to work on any screen size. As far as stability and coding goes, the only apps that have those issues tend to be ports from other platforms. A native Android app should work just fine.
Would it be awesome if they make native apps for Tesla? hell yeah. But I'd rather have some apps in some way then no apps at all.
On top of that, it seems other car companies also plan to use Android such as Kia and Hyundai with their UVO 2.0. If Android does take off in more and more cars, app developers will most likely be more car aware.�
Oct 24, 2013
Gizmotoy Despite being terribly condescending, I'll reply. Elon said he wanted to emulate and sandbox Android, and that apps would run there. We know that the existing Tegra3 barely has enough power to push the main display given the widely-discussed shortcomings of its 32-bit memory bus, and can even be demonstrated somewhat by the occasional choppiness of the new direction-up map orientation that requires lots of transforms, or scrolling in the browser. I wouldn't be surprised if a more-powerful infotainment system was in the works to support this effort, which may be backed up by Elon's comments that upgrades will be required.
The example you give is trivial, and something that's already stated to be included in a coming update. Of course that's easy.
Maybe we're not on the same page because you're talking about how you'd like it to work, and I was just going by how Elon said it would work? I don't know. I certainly agree a native API would be best, and having the option of both native apps and emulated Android apps would be the best of both worlds for Model S owners until a base of apps is built up.
And yet that seems to be exactly what was proposed. There's no point in emulating Android's stack if the goal wasn't to run pre-existing apps locally. Otherwise, they'd just develop a fully-native API and let developers work directly with sandboxed Linux/Qt, completely bypassing Android and all the overhead its subsystems will introduce.�
Oct 24, 2013
AnOutsider I'm aware. However, if they push these apps instead of purpose-built apps, that would likely mean that there would be less of the quality purpose-built apps that those who don't want android rehashes prefer.
The reports were "emulation". BB10 runs android apps in a sort of emulated mode. Tesla wants to emulate an android environment for the apps to run in (it's more than just being linux). The comparison is 100% spot on IMO.
That's your preference, and that's fine. As you'll note, I stated that _I_ didn't want them.
Purpose-built apps for cars (whether emulated in an android environment or not) would be much more preferable to me than what is being talked about here (existing phone and tablet apps being run on the screen in an emulator).�
Oct 24, 2013
Stoneymonster Sorry I thought we were talking about a specific example of doing sophisticated route and consumption estimation on the local CPU.�
Oct 24, 2013
Gizmotoy In that case, I misread your statement. Sorry about that. For that particular case, doing things server-side can make a lot of sense. On the other hand, adding wind direction and elevation to route computation is not terribly more complicated that route computation by itself (distance/speed factors on a given potential leg are now distance/speed/wind/elevation). It seems to be the case that both local *and* server route computation is happening currently (presumably why the Navigon-based navigation system and Google Maps on the main display sometimes provide different directions), so it's probable current local route computation is feasible.�
Oct 24, 2013
evme I don't Tesla will push them, they are offering it as an option.
Having 20 years of programming experience, I am going to have to disagree. Here is the thing, when you emulate code on different platforms. the code varies by platform as each platform behaves differently. Some functions may exist on 1 platform and not on the other and even the same functions can behave completely different. To explain it in a simple way, think of it like translating english to japanese, even if you translate it fully, it will not always have exactly the same meaning. A good example is word puns which effectively can't be translated. This is the difference between emulating android in linux where it is like translating english to english. In comparison to BB10 which is like translating english to japanese.
Well so far it seems Tesla, Kia and Hyundai are in. Doing a quick Google also points Renault uses Android for R-Link and Saab does as well. This hopefully will lead to more purpose built apps.�
Oct 24, 2013
vfx Tesla can vet the Tesla car apps like Apple does. Probably go all the way to Elon. No crappy apps for his car.
And for those that want to watch DVDs you can always plug a player into the Rear camera port screen.�
Oct 24, 2013
AmpedRealtor I hope that if Tesla implements an app store for the Model S, the apps are curated and held to a very high standard by Tesla. Most of the apps in the Android marketplace are crapware. Apple's app store model is far more successful and much more engaging. Seeing as how there probably would be more synergy between Tesla and Google than there would be between Tesla and Apple, I would expect more Google technologies to be implemented.�
Oct 25, 2013
yobigd20 as long as I can play Angry Birds on it while driving, then the Model S will complete me.�
Oct 25, 2013
brianman Or you might complete* it... as in you might fuse together when you wreck it while playing.
* This post expresses no opinion on the legal, moral, ethical, or religious ramifications of "fusing" with an inanimate object in this fashion.�
Oct 25, 2013
DIL OMG Waze. I would pay for that.
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OMG Waze. I would pay for that.�
Oct 25, 2013
Gizmotoy I haven't used Waze in 3 years, back when I was essentially playing Pacman with it to help map the roads. I gave it up because the navigation was always poor. It's really grown up. I'll have to give it another try.�
Oct 25, 2013
Eggplant Wait... didn't Google acquire Waze? And the Tesla nav traffic data comes from Google, right?�
Oct 25, 2013
yobigd20 Correct. You can already see some things being improved/integrated on google maps. I wouldn't be surprised if they were "fused" into one app eventually.�
Nov 13, 2014
DPDsModelS Whatever happened to this thread? Is the idea of getting Google Chrome and third party apps now dead?
I am sorry if this has been answered already but I cannot find any definitive answer. Any insight that anyone can provide would be greatly appreciated.�
Nov 13, 2014
ecarfan I believe you were unable to find a definitive answer because...there isn't one. Unfortunately, we are still waiting to see what happens with this issue...�
Nov 13, 2014
AnOutsider I think this just ended up as another thing Elon promised and then left at the table when the company got distracted chasing something shinier. We may see it again, but with as long as the (IMO disappointing) 6.0 software took to get to us, I wouldn't hold my breath.�
Nov 13, 2014
Gizmotoy Certainly seems that way. It also seems like they're a real risk they get beat to it by GM. They've been pretty aggressively updating their infotainment systems, adding LTE connectivity in their cars, etc.�
Nov 14, 2014
bob_p While Tesla has committed not to making major hardware changes for the next year - they could provide a "road map" of planned software functionality. Even without dates, they could do this - and it would assure Tesla's current and future customers of what to expect - and that Tesla is committed to at least close the gap on missing features - present in other cars, at all price points.
Isn't it ironic that with the Silicon Valley connections - Tesla continues to underperform on their software...�
Nov 14, 2014
iadbound At this point, I can't help but wonder if Tesla is now devoting most of its software development work to Autopilot features and related user interface requirements to implement Autopilot.
One of the things that the IHS electronics teardown showed was that Tesla has developed many of its own electronics and presumably the firmware/software for those devices. While that has benefited us by providing some industry leading interface items, I expect that also hinders new development -- especially given the relatively small size of Tesla and the number of projects it is working on.�
Nov 15, 2014
bob_p Tesla's hardware/software environment is not unusual for "systems" - with multiple processors and a combination of custom and off-the-shelf components.
A challenge all software groups face is balancing delivering major new features vs. finishing out previously introduced functionality vs. fixing bugs.
Tesla's strategy appears to be to deliver just enough functionality to claim they have a feature - and then move onto the next new feature.
Instead of implementing the new calendar feature - couldn't they have invested that time if adding some of the functionality that's missing in the media playback and navigation software or in providing more customizability in the user interface?
Really... How hard could it be to add features like "random playback" or "repeat song"??? Playlists might be a little more complicated - but that's a basic functionality available on almost any device capable of playing MP3s...�
Nov 15, 2014
andrewket I think Elon really wanted the calendar feature. Personally I agree with you. I don't find the calendar feature useful, and would have preferred the infotainment devs focused their time elsewhere.�
Nov 15, 2014
basvk If it is really just a matter of resource allocation, then I'd say put as much resources on autopilot as possible, since that is a potential life saving technology. The earlier they get it right, the better.
(we can fiddle with our shuffle lacking music libraries while the car runs on autopilot ;-) )�
Nov 16, 2014
SW2Fiddler But if you want to hear more than 30 minutes of a TuneIn podcast... tough.�
Nov 16, 2014
Johan Agreed 100%. The whole reason for this thread - that Tesla promise things but then just barely or not all all implement them and rush on the the next exciting thing in the software without properly finishing what they have in place - is the one thing that worries most about Tesla right now. Elon is a software guy, does he not understand this??? Or is there just not enough time with the reckless growth happening? Or is Elon a genious who has outsmarted us all: all their time is used on developing the SDK and as soon as this is out the aftermarket will fix any and all info-enter-tainment software you'd want with great qulaity?�
Nov 17, 2014
bob_p Has there been any mention about the App Store, a 3rd party API or the Android emulator recently by Tesla or Musk?
Can't recall hearing anything - and now with the push to do "autopilot" - it could be like the focus Tesla had on sleep mode and battery management during 2013 - when not much functionality was delivered in the updates...�
Nov 17, 2014
Gizmotoy Nothing that we've heard. Considering the autopilot functionality was able to be delivered earlier than they expected, that almost certainly means the SDK will be delivered later than expected. It was likely pushed aside from the original "Late 2014" estimate to get Autopilot up and running.
If GM commits to having their Android integration in the 2016 Volt, maybe we'll see some movement on this. I doubt Tesla will like conceding first mover advantage to a competitor when Tesla's nearly identical plan was announced years earlier. Otherwise, I doubt it has much, if any, priority.�
Nov 17, 2014
Cosmacelf Elon is NOT a software guy. He is a physicist that hacked together code for his first company, Zip2it, and then led another group of hackers at Paypal. Any developers who have actually used Paypal APIs realizes there is nothing elegant and forward thinking there.
Personally, I don't think he understands large complex software engineering systems all that well.�
Nov 18, 2014
bob_p Unless Tesla confirms they still intend to deliver on the previously mentioned features (App Store, 3rd party API, Android emulator, improved navigation, ...), it's possible Tesla has quietly decided their priorities lie elsewhere, and that because they are continuing to sell cars without these features, it isn't a priority to invest in those features.
It would be interesting if someone did a thorough feature comparison of the Model S vs. comparably priced vehicles and much lower priced vehicles. Tesla would get the highest marks on the large touchscreen. They will start losing ground on Internet connectivity as other manufacturers start rolling out 4G. And when the individual apps are compared to other vehicles, Tesla likely would in the bottom of the comparisons - across the board.
Tesla can - and should do much better.�
Nov 18, 2014
iadbound I continue to believe that the calendar feature was just an extension of the navigation update/autopilot development (i.e., check where you have to go and then get you there).�
Jan 12, 2015
DPDsModelS While I am very happy with my recently purchased Model S, especially after the recent 6.1 firmware update, I am still looking forward to future updates. This is why, no matter how old and dormant this thread gets, I refuse to let it die!
Once the system is opened up to third party apps and we have a functional Chrome browser, the sky is the limit on what we'll be able to do from our drivers seats! How cool would it be to access Waze on the big screen, pull up local weather radars during a storm or to make better range calculations at rest stops with EV Trip Planner?�
Jan 12, 2015
REBroker I completely agree. I believe not having an app store is a big missed opportunity and a big disservice to owners. The minute I started learning about the Model S, I felt an app store would be huge, and I think getting started early can be a big advantage to tesla as the app store would grow before the other car companies even bring similar systems to market. As a Windows Phone owner and fan, I know the advantage other smartphones had when Windows Phone first hit the market, people preferred an iPhone just because their favorite apps were there, also, once you buy apps, record your user history, configure your settings, and become entrenched in the ecosystem, it'll be harder to switch platforms and thus move from a Tesla to another vehicle (BEV Or not).
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Oh, and I just remembered why I was thinking so much about apps. I could really use a mileage tracker right in the car. Imagine starting trips, labeling them and recording them right from the car! Keeping a big log and being able to compute business miles with ease. I would love an app like that. Similar smartphone apps are cool, but it's kind of a pain to have to do it with your phone.�
Jan 12, 2015
Zextraterrestrial and I don't have a phone!!!! I have a physical log book in my car that I record every trip and charge, ever for > 2 years now...It is getting full though, come on Tesla!!!! need a logging app or something pretty soon�
Jan 12, 2015
HankLloydRight It's a little better than using your phone, but you can use my SuperCharger Trip logger to log trips: http://LogMySc.com
It's really meant to track real-life energy usage between SuperCharger stop, sort of how EVTripPlanner estimates energy usage.
No reason you can't use it for a general trip mileage tracker with the added bonus of tracking energy usage.�
Jan 12, 2015
REBroker
Looks interesting, thanks! I'm not taking delivery of my P85D until March but will certainly check it out then.�
Jan 12, 2015
GaryREM Considering the tiny size of the Tesla app market, not sure why developers would spend effort developing for it.�
Jan 12, 2015
Cosmacelf Because there are a lot of app developers who are model s owners...�
Jan 12, 2015
HankLloydRight Even with access to the most basic information available in the car, people could make some really useful, yet simple, extensions to the apps already in the car. For instance, my Supercharger Trip Logger web app could almost be entirely automated with access to energy use, odometer readings, car temp, etc.
I'd also like to build a multi-trip-odometer app to allow unlimited trip odometers, with selective start/stop settings, renaming, etc.
I wouldn't be doing apps like that to make money, I'd be doing to to extend the already awesome car and share that with other MS/X/3 owners because it's cool.�
Jan 13, 2015
Gizmotoy People enthusiastic about the car absolutely would. I know I have a couple ideas and will apply as a 3rd party developer as soon as they open it up. Certainly that would get us by for awhile until we have greater numbers, just as it did on smartphone platforms.
For example, the market may be too small for an official Spotify app, but a 3rd party developer could create a Tesla-specific version using Spotify's API. I'm sure Waze would be interested to make in-roads into the vehicle market any way they can, as that's a strategic move for them. I'm sure there's tons of other interested parties I can't even think of.
Cars have always been closed and isolated (no networking) systems. If you open up a network-connected API, there's going to be a huge rush to develop the first must-have "Car App," I can practically guarantee it. And until then, the market will be filled with people passionate about the platform that simply want to improve it.
3rd party apps can't come soon enough.�
Jan 13, 2015
wayner The development may not be for profit. I use some DVR software called SageTV as the heart of my Home Media Server system. There were a huge number of plugins built by a develop community. Pretty much all of them were free, some developers asked for small donations to offset the cost of running a separate development environment. The plugins added some great additional functionality to the core software of recording TV shows and allowing playback of media files.
I am guessing that a Tesla app environmnet could be the same - a lot of Tesla owners and enthusiasts would be developing apps that they personally find useful that they are willing to share with the community. Especially since many Tesla owners are geeks. For example, I am not a software devloper but I do like to tinker. I would be interested in writing code to allow my Tesla with my Control4 home automation system.�
Jan 13, 2015
jayman Here, here. And me with homeseer, scripts, etc...�
May 6, 2015
DPDsModelS Does anyone think that Tesla is going to allow 3rd party apps anytime soon or are there too many risks to allowing information and control access to 3rd party developers?
While I love viewing Waze incidents in the existing browser (Big thanks to Fact200 & co.!) the slow 3G limitations make it sub-optimal.
I am not much of a "tech guy" and intellectual property is not my area of law so as to fully comprehend the legal risks involved.�
May 6, 2015
hans I don't think they have shown signs that they are going to launch a developer program anytime soon but you never know. Security is a concern but its not an excuse and Ford, BMW, and other automotive manufacturers do have active third party developer programs so we know it can be done if the right people and resources are put to the task.�
May 6, 2015
KurtR I would love to see an app that functions like MediaMonkey so I can play my USB music with the functionality that should be there. Tesla just can't seem to get it right.�
May 7, 2015
supratachophobia Oh man, really sorry to hijack the thread but I'm going on fifteen years using SageTV. We need to start a support group for those of us that remain.
Back to topic, we need a Winamp app to replace the media player in the car.�
May 7, 2015
wayner This will keep us off thread, but did you see that SageTV is being Open Sourced - so hopefully it will live on and a development community will improve an Open Source version of SageTV.�
May 8, 2015
jvonbokel And here I thought wayner and I were the only two.I can't recall exactly when I switched over from BeyondTV, but it was probably more like 5yrs ago than 15.
I did! I'm hoping the same thing, of course, but not terribly optimistic. Also, to continue going off-topic, did you see that Silicondust is kickstarting their own DVR software (HDHomeRun DVR)? It looks relatively simplistic compared to SageTV, but everything has to start somewhere, so I'm keeping an eye on it.�
May 8, 2015
xrayangiodoc Thanks. I'm planning a trip from Buffalo to Pasadena in June and may try it out.�
May 11, 2015
jvonbokel Is there a thread where I can find out more about what LogMySc.com does or how it works?�
May 11, 2015
rickgt It's a great web site where interested folks log their firmware updates... they provide reports that show you what version is happening in what version of the Model S
I highly recommend using this...
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May 11, 2015
HankLloydRight Actually there are three Tesla tools on the same domain.
The first (and primary) tool is the Supercharger Trip logger. I've set up a TMC Group to discuss the tool (LogMySc - Tesla Motors Club - Enthusiasts & Owners Forum). What it does is allow you to enter a few bits of data at each stop during a long road trip (mostly for Supercharger stops, but it handles L2 stops and non-charging stops as well), and when the data is entered correctly at the start and end of each stop (optimized to be easily entered from the car's touchscreen), it will produce charts like this with lots of useful info:
The second tool is the Firmware Upgrade Tracker (go to: Tesla Firmware Upgrade Tracker Web App ) which collects information from TMC users about when they received firmware upgrades. You can view the results without logging in or signing up here: Tesla Firmware Upgrade Tracker Web App
The third tool is the CPO Consolidator which collects the current CPO cars for sale from the Tesla website and presents them in an easier format to search/sort/filter ALL the CPO cars across all regions. It also tracks which cars have been sold and when. No login or signup required: Tesla CPO Consolidator
If you have any questions about any of the tools, you can PM me, or leave a message in the LogMySC group linked above.�
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May 11, 2015
jvonbokel Thanks, that's essentially the summary I was looking for. I had looked at the group you linked, but it said I had to be a member, which I assume is trivial, but thought I'd check and see if there was info elsewhere first.�
May 11, 2015
HankLloydRight It's now an open group, so you can just join!
I'm hoping this month to create a thread that clearly described the tool and how to use it so people doing summer road-trips can use it.�
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