Feb 5, 2013
ckobopoda Hello everybody!
I live in Latvia. I've been wanting model S from the moment I read about it.
I wanted it so badly that I actually bought a delivery slot in US and shipped it here. In fact it should be in Germany by the end of the week. Another week and it should be in Riga.
As you might imagine we haven't got many charging stations hereIn fact I think there is 0 places so far.
So, I started the process of installing an outlet in my garage. When I gave the specifications to an electrician http://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/downloads/universalmobileconnector_nema_14-50.pdf he scratched his head and said that its beyond his qualifications
So, here is my question. Do you guys think I'll be able to charge from a regular DVR Card Solutions For Digital Surveillance ---DSW--- European outlet? With an adaptor of course.
Would really appreciate your help.�
Feb 5, 2013
FlasherZ I share your passion for the Model S - congratulations! I would be more worried about getting it registered, since the car may not have some required European safety requirements.
Tesla hasn't published its options for charging in EU yet.
EDIT: Some others mention the J1772 option, below. That's a better way to go - find a European high-power J1772 EVSE and use it instead. The directions I give below are for a way to do it with the UMC -- 29-30 hours from empty!
With an adapter cable, you can connect the existing UMC to a CEE4 outlet. First, the warning: DO NOT USE THIS ADAPTER FOR ANYTHING ELSE, ESPECIALLY ANY US APPLIANCES -- YOU CAN DESTROY THEM. You will be providing 240V on a plug intended for 120V appliances in the US.
Use a HEAVY DUTY plug adapter like this one, but be sure it is rated at a minimum of 12A, which is what the car will draw. This is really all you will need - the car will adjust to the 240V and will draw 12A by default. Use the existing UMC's NEMA 5-15 adapter plug.
Here's the downside: the charge rate here will be less than 3 kW, which means a charge time of ~30 hours or so from empty. You will need a different option if you require faster charging -- because you are bringing a US car to Europe, you may not get 3-phase charging capability and may be limited to a maximum of the 16A single-phase 240V charging. Perhaps the European charging forum can help you as well.
If you find an electrician who can install a North American 240V NEMA 6-50 receptacle on a 50A circuit breaker, you should do that, then get the NEMA 6-50 adapter from Tesla for the UMC. That will charge at 10 kW and recharge Model S in about 8 hours. Most electricians will not be able to do that, though, as European certification and code is different. I'll drop a note to a French electrician I happen to know through another forum for you. A NEMA 14-50 isn't possible in Europe, because (much of) Europe doesn't use center-tapped 120/240V like we use in North America - they simply use 240V-only for single-phase.�
Feb 5, 2013
Bipo Wow, that's really bold!
OK, since you have a J1772 adapter (it comes with the car), I think the best option is to buy a high power J1772 wallbox and use it to recharge your S. Forget the UMC and its NEMA 14-50.
Another option is to cut the NEMA side of the UMC cable, and put a blue CEE 63A 230 V 1-phase plug. That should work fine. Be sure that the work is done well to avoid any electric shock.
Keep us up to date about this issue, and enjoy your S!�
Feb 5, 2013
jcstp I do not think it well be a problem for charging!
Do you have the j1772 adaptor?
There are cables that convert mennekes-to-j1772 (cable used for the nissan leaf)
example : Shop - Zero Carbon World
Maybe a good idea for you is to buy also a roadster to model S connector
Adapter: Roadster HPC to Model S - Page 5
Then you can charge at roadster chargepoints
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Feb 5, 2013
nikwest Very cool to just get it from the US. But did you consider that you lost your warranty by doing so? You also won't get any support (even paid) from Tesla at all. At least that's what I was told.�
Feb 5, 2013
FlasherZ You cannot do this as the NEMA side of the UMC requires a few more wires than simply L1 / L2 & ground. There are pilot signal wires which tell the UMC which adapter is connected to the plug. If you do this you'll limit the charger to 12A at best, ruin the UMC at worst.�
Feb 5, 2013
dpeilow You can buy a 30A pigtail from Tesla and change the plug to a 32A CEE type / IEC 60309. Make sure you retain whatever means they use to identify it (probably resistor / diode).
Or you can buy a Camco Power Grip NEMA 14-50 socket through Amazon quite cheaply.
You will probably have to make use of the car's manual current setting ability, at least until European UMC pigtails show up.�
Feb 5, 2013
Bipo
I see... I didn't know, sorry :/
Then, a good way to go should be buying a 14-50 to CEE adaptor.�
Feb 5, 2013
mcornwell ckobopoda, that is great that you are going such lengths to get a Model S!
Are you concerned about the 3G connectivity for maps, and probably just as importantly, software updates?�
Feb 5, 2013
ckobopoda Yeah I realised that when I was ordering. I still hope that they wont refuse service once its become available in EU.
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Yeah I realised that when I was ordering. I still hope that they wont refuse service once its become available in EU.
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I am pretty sure its gonna be an issue, but its only will concern me is I'll be able to charge the car first
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Yeah I realised that when I was ordering. I still hope that they wont refuse service once its become available in EU.
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I am pretty sure its gonna be an issue, but its only will concern me if I'll be able to charge the car first�
Feb 6, 2013
Johan Very cool ckobopoda! I know there is a Norwegian car importer that has imported a US Model S to Norway and modified it so that it holds up to the Norwegian standards and has got i registered with a Norwegian license plate, and it's driving around in Norway now. They have said they are charging it via a Roadster -> Model S adapter and their Roadster HPWC that they have. They are using this car as their demo car. They had to add orange turn-indicator light into the back fender (not visible in the pictures below) and other modifications to get it approved. See some of the pics below and you can also check this thread from a local EV forum (it's in Norwegian, use Google translate to get some info from it). Also, you could maybe call them and ask for advice on modifications? Ferdinand Motor, Bergen, Norway. Are the standards in Latvia the same as in the EU? Norway is not in the EU, but follow EU standards for the most part.
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Feb 6, 2013
ckobopoda Thanks men! Will try to contact them.�
Feb 14, 2013
LuckyLuke So, has your car arrived yet? Outlet fixed?�
Feb 18, 2013
ckobopoda Complete shut down
Hello again!
So, the car is here. With some difficulties NEMA 14-50 outlet have been installed and mobile connector finally shows a green light when connected to it.
But I have a major problem. When model S was transported from Germany to Latvia on a trailer it ran out of charge and shut down completely. The window rolled down and it died.
I towed it to the garage and managed to plug in the mobile connector, which is impossible to take out now due to the lack of power. It happened 30 minutes ago. Its still dead.
Tesla - YouTube
So I would really appreciate if someone can tell me is they had their Tesla shut down completely and how long would it take to "become alive again" on NEMA 14-50 40amp 240v plug.
Or may be there are some other actions needed to be taken for it to start charging? It started to make some clicking sounds....�
Feb 18, 2013
ckobopoda Charging Model S after shut down
Hello again!
I am really suffering with this forum, cause my posts seem to go some kind of screening before they are published. Hopefully this one will show up in Battery & Charging.
So my car have arrived to Latvia
How can I charge a US built Model S in Latvia?
I even managed to install NEMA 14-50 240v 40amp plug for it. And managed to get a green light on my mobile connector.
But unfortunately while being transferred all the way from the US the car shut down right before I picked it up yesterday. Now it doesn't seem to respond to the mobile connector. The green light is on on the connector but its not moving like it suppose to, when I plug it into the car. Seems like the car is not drawing any power
Tesla - YouTube
May be anyone knows what to do after a shut down? Is there any special actions needed to start charging?
Thanks in advance!�
Feb 18, 2013
AnOutsider Hmm, don't quote me on this, but I thought I remember something about a battery or car needing to be "reset" by Tesla after fully draining? Does Tesla have service centers (for the Roadster) near you? I hope the battery isn't damaged -- might be hard to get a replacement for it (and pricey!)�
Feb 18, 2013
Zextraterrestrial Is the 12V battery ok?�
Feb 18, 2013
DCWitt Very sorry to hear that the car shut down just before you were able to charge.
I would recommend that you call Tesla ASAP! Like the second you read this.
Owners
Contact customer support
- toll-free:
- (877) 79-TESLA
- (877) 798-3752
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Feb 18, 2013
ckobopoda where do I find 12v battery?�
Feb 18, 2013
zeron From the other real Tesla forum: "NOTE:When the low-power consumption mode is active, the auxiliary 12V battery is no longer powered and may go flat within 12 hours. In the unlikely event this occurs, you may need to �jump start� or replace the 12V battery before you can charge."
So that may indeed be your problem. 12V battery is here: http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/10349-12-V-battery-pictures�
Feb 18, 2013
Lloyd Try charging the 12 V battery first, then see if systems allow charging.�
Feb 18, 2013
FlasherZ Reports are that you simply need to apply 12VDC to the posts behind the nose cone, and the car's systems should -- within a minute -- begin charging the car, and recharging the 12V system. Use jumper cables and an existing car battery and you should be fine after a few moments of applying the voltage.�
Feb 18, 2013
ckobopoda Its working.�
Feb 18, 2013
zeron Sorry, it might have been easier with FlasherZs suggestion. At least its working now!�
Feb 18, 2013
Zextraterrestrial Woohoo! and soon you can drive it! :biggrin:�
Feb 18, 2013
AnOutsider Glad that worked for you! Half a car is better than a dead car�
Feb 18, 2013
ckobopoda Thank you very much for your advices it really helped me!
I took apart the cover of the front trunk. Found the 12v battery. And after an acrobatic maneuvering inside the trunk was able to put 12v 7 ampere charger on both black and red outs of the battery :smile::smile: huray! In a second after i plugged the charger into an outlet the light in the trunk came on. Then in about 15 min. the mobile connector started to work and the charging went much faster.
tesla charging - YouTube
With my NEMA 14-50 40 amperes outlet it should fully charge in about 10 hours.
The next challenge is to activate 3g.
By the way, do all of you guys got just 1 key with the car?
Thanks again!
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I am really suffering with the terminology here. Could you plz explain where the nose cone is? Just in case I need it in the future�
Feb 18, 2013
Lloyd two keys came with the car.
The nose cone is the black plastic piece on the front of the car. You can pry out the top lip of the cone for easy removal The battery terminals are behind that cone and makes what you did much quicker.�
Feb 18, 2013
MikeC Just want to commend you on getting a Model S to Latvia! Glad you got it working.�
Feb 18, 2013
Al Sherman +1 Well done! Let's see some Model S pics from the Latvian countryside.�
Feb 18, 2013
ckobopoda When I'll have the plates and the snow melts�
Feb 18, 2013
Al Sherman Will look forward to it! Izmantojiet labu vesel?bu!:smile:�
Feb 18, 2013
meloccom This should help if you need to charge the 12V battery again in the future.
Procedure for exposing the nose cone charging lugs for the 12V battery
Please note that the procedure is different, depending on if you have bough a signature or general production model. Signatures have a small removable window and general production do not, so you need to remove the whole nose cone in one piece. Don't try this until you have read the entire thread above.�
Feb 19, 2013
NigelM The light on the mobile connector should be pulsing if the car is charging. It looks like the car has finished charging, but if the car did shut down completely you'll need Tesla to wake it up again.�
Feb 19, 2013
Johan If Tesla is not able to contact the car (since you're on the wrong continent with regard to cell phone coverage) perhaps pulling out some fuses and waiting 20 mins then popping them back in could help? Also, if your car was delivered with the 4.1 firmware maybe you have the 12V battery issue? Try to attach an external 12V charger to the charging connectors (behind the nose cone) and see if that helps after some hours of charging? Please update how it goes!�
Feb 19, 2013
sp4rk Yes! Someone has done this mod (amber rear turn signal)??? Could you please either tell me here how this was done or PM me?
Thanks!!!�
Feb 19, 2013
Laumb They didn't mod the rear lights. They have added new rear amber turn lights to a new Hole Ine the rear bumper.
Owner is ferdinand-motor.no.
On the other side, I have been thinking of this connectivity issue for the car - as it is AT/T based.
In Norway i could buy a 3G enabled router to Connect to the car (power) and get a hotspot. Can you do that In Latvia?
Also, as for what I remember, AT/T provides a signal booster for people without phone coverage, that connects to your router and basically gives you your own 3G/phone service.
Could you Connect a router to power on your Tesla, then set it up to use a VPN service to get a US IP adress, so that the connected AT/T 3G/phone enabling device would create a phone betwork for your car to Connect to and use the normal services availible?
Like this:
Internet <-> router w/VPN <-> AT/T signal device <-> car
Tapatalkin' from iTalatut...�
Feb 19, 2013
Yagi Here is a pic of the mod. You can see the additional lights.
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Feb 19, 2013
ckobopoda Thanks for the pic. I might have to do the same. But first I was thinking about changing a bulb. You see there is a part of the turning light that is tranperent. And the bulb itself is red. Plus there is a second part where the glass is red. I was thinking about actually changing a bulb to yellow and turning off completely the red part of the turning light.
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It took me a while, plus I got to know about charging connectors (behind the nose cone) after I've finished
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/14003-Charging-Model-S-after-shut-down
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Thanks for the advice. Thats what I defiantly gonna try next.
But you know what the funny thing is? My maps, navigation, browser, and internet radio aren't working because there is no internet. BUT I do have a reception of all 5 sticks and my firmware just updated. Which I find very weird cause I don't think that Tesla is paying for the roaming to Latvia
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Feb 19, 2013
Laumb
There Are two separate connections. One "Administration connection" (probably to also be able to track the car abroad if stolen? ++) and one user connection for all other. User one will be optional later on.
On the other side - the US Model S In the store In Oslo uses the rear headlights, the white part inside the red ring as turning lights.
The car is currently crashed, but it will be fixed before March. I will go there and grab a few photos and a video for you when its fixed. You might get some inspiration for yours. I an positive one do not have to add separate lightning to get it approved for plates.
Please PM me if there is anything i might do to help you, either with the VPN solution or other stuff.
Tapatalkin' from iTalatut...�
Feb 19, 2013
stevezzzz Way to go ckobopoda! Glad the TMC forum could help. We want photos!�
Feb 19, 2013
FlasherZ The AT&T 3G Microcell will not work. It has a GPS antenna that determines its location and confirms whether or not you're in an AT&T-covered area. It will refuse to start services if it is outside AT&T's coverage area.
In addition, you need the phone number assigned to the car's SIM to register it with the AT&T Microcell service, and Tesla won't disclose it (although if you can get access to the diagnostics screens, you could see it).
So I don't think that's going to work without some significant hacking.�
Feb 19, 2013
NigelM All new members go through initial screening, it helps us keep spam and advertising to a minimum. You should be fine now.
Mod note: Threads merged.�
Feb 19, 2013
Laumb
Didn't know About the GPS part.
I'll look more into this.
About SIM that is not needed as I meant he should get a secondary som for the AT/T hotspot (as I remember it serves multiple phones).
Anyhow, one can buy these devices from Huawei as generic devices and configure them as you'd like.
I have done that before so that some friends of us could get Norwegian cell service without the roaming cost In their summer home In Spain.
Generic devices Are not GPS based, but allow access or not to the server based on IP.
Tapatalkin' from iTalatut...�
Feb 19, 2013
Laumb Here's a new pic from today where you see the ugly fake rear amber lights added to the Car owned by Ferdinand motor.
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Feb 20, 2013
brianman I'd love to see a blog post about this. Not something fancy. Just a quick note from George acknowledging that someone from Latvia wanted the car so badly that a way was found.
It's an easy PR thing and maybe they could throw the owner some love with a signed something or other.�
Feb 20, 2013
nikwest I'd be surprised if this is going to happen. Tesla service personnel has been instructed to not help anybody exporting a US model. Not even when paying for it. If you read your agreement it clearly states that your warranty is void if the car leaves North America. (Wasn't there even some discussions about Mexico?).
I hope that they change their minds about it. On the other hand if they do they might open up the doors for some unwanted grey imports.�
Feb 20, 2013
brianman Acknowledging the passion and respecting it after the fact is quite different from assisting in the act.
Also, I suspect the noted instruction is related to legal implications so Tesla is just protecting itself. That's just an opinion though.�
Feb 20, 2013
ckobopoda 
Going to customs. If everything goes as planned, I'll have temporary plates tomorrow. And on 22 will be able to drive the car to the dealer that going to do EU certification for good.
Its still very snowy here and I haven't got winter tires. Gonna order them for the next season though.�
Feb 20, 2013
ckobopoda
It was a problem for me from the very beginning. On one hand I really need advice and service in the future but on the other hand I keep reading about those mean ppl in Tesla which at best will take my car away and in worse shoot me dead when they find out that the car left North America
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Yeah its been a problem. Basically at the moment I installed NEMA 14-50 outlet 1 phase 40amperes. It charged from 0 completely in 10 hours. I am upgrading it now to 50 amperes, so the full charge should be within 8 hours I suppose. I also have high power wall connector ordered and a twin charger installed. So when it comes I hope I can get the amperes even higher on 1 phase.
For the normal 220v outlet 12amp its a pain. The funniest thing is that by default the phase is in the right hole of the european outlet, and the mobile connector can't find ground and therefore not working.�
Feb 20, 2013
sp4rk One thing I am not following is ... within the cars electronics, or in the cord? Using the UMC, does it automatically support the 50/60 cycle power? I didn't know it had a switching power supply; but power supplies usually also drop to secondary voltage. Not the case here. So how does it handle the hertz? (Did I phrase the question right?)�
Feb 20, 2013
ckobopoda So far I only used mobile connector and yes it supports (its written on it actually) 110-250v 50-60hertz�
Feb 20, 2013
NigelM Maybe I missed it before, but where did the coiled charge cable come from? Did they make it themselves or change the charge port?�
Feb 20, 2013
jcstp probably just a mennekes to j1772
or this Charge-Amps.com - Chargers for your EV
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Feb 20, 2013
markb1 Note that the car won't draw more than 40 amps over the mobile connector. So a larger circuit won't do you any good without a J1772 EVSE or the HPWC. Though, of course, your 14-50 should be on a 50 amp circuit for safety (and legality in the in US).�
Feb 20, 2013
brianman Heh. Good luck and good motoring. We're with ya.�
Feb 20, 2013
ckobopoda I wasn't aware about 40amp limit on the mobile connector. Will try to get higher amp on high power wall connector once it arrives.�
Feb 20, 2013
Trnsl8r OK, don't hate me but I have to ask...
That sounds like what, April? With European deliveries starting this year, how much time do you think you'll gain from doing this private import vs. just buying it from Tesla in Europe, with proper charging specs and service support?�
Feb 20, 2013
Volker.Berlin As you might have heard, Europe consists of several independent countries. Unfortunately, Latvia is not one of those countries where Tesla will officially offer and support the Model S any time soon. Thus, presumably, there's not too much difference in buying it from the US or, e.g., from Germany... Although, admittedly, the charging part would have been easier with a European model.�
Feb 20, 2013
ckobopoda When I started the process in September the European delivery dates weren't available yet. The dealer promised to bring it to Latvia by the end of December.
I am pretty sure that even if I placed an official order in September 2012 the car would't be here until the end of 2013. And that would be a waste of 2013 season for me�
Feb 20, 2013
Oreo ckobopoda, I really admire your enthusiasm. I think Tesla Motors should give you a medal.
Good luck with your Model S.�
Feb 20, 2013
Trnsl8r I was born and raised in Europe, but thanks for the update althesame. Also thank you for making my point: importing a car specced for Germany (for example) must be loads easier than the US.
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YOLO my man. Good for you, enjoy the car.�
Feb 21, 2013
ckobopoda Do you guys know where VIN number is located? Not the one under the window but the one on the frame of the car?�
Feb 21, 2013
widodh Isn't that the same?�
Feb 21, 2013
brianman Here you go:
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Feb 21, 2013
Volker.Berlin Trnsl8r, I apologise. I just couldn't restrain myself from jumping at the opportunity...
Back on topic: My point is a different one.There's no support and no warranty for a Model S in Latvia, regardless where it was bought. Compared to that, I consider the charging issues a minor inconvenience that can be mitigated by a few adapters and some acceptable compromises, e.g., in charging location and charging speed. Thus, my consequence is, if you absolutely must have a Model S in Latvia, you could as well buy from the US and enjoy it earlier.�
Feb 21, 2013
ckobopoda 
Got the plates. Still figuring out how to put the one in front. Probably will simply glue it on with double sided tape.
But the driving will have to wait till the 1st of March.
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People certifying the car told me that there got to be VIN number actually impressed into the cars frame and the one under the window is not enough...�
Feb 21, 2013
Laumb How Are the rules In Latvia? You get plates before it is certified?
Did you fix the rear amber turn lights (or was it approved with the US red lights?)?
If so, please post a small video?
Congrats on the car with plates - must feel mighty damn good!
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Feb 21, 2013
ckobopoda After you pay VAT and clear it through customs you get temporary plates for 6 month. During that time you need to get EU certification.
I am taking it to the dealer tomorrow. He is going to do certification for me within 2 weeks. I still don't know what the requirements will be. But for 6 month I am OK and can drive like this.
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Feb 21, 2013
Laumb That is so awesome!
In Norway you get no plates at all before it conforms to a 80 point check list for approval - but you Are eligable to drive on american plates for 30 days assuming insurance is OK (some form-filling required though).
Tapatalkin' from iTalatut...�
Feb 21, 2013
NigelM There should have been a front plate bracket in the trunk footwell when it was delivered. There's a few people round here with spare ones but it'll probably cost a fortune to send to you.
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WRT to front plates: See this thread Front-License-Plate-Solutions�
Feb 21, 2013
Oreo Don't think that would help much as the US plates are of a different size than the EU ones.
Are really these brackets being screwed onto the nose cone and making permanent holes or what?
Congrats on getting the license plates btw :smile::biggrin:�
Feb 22, 2013
ckobopoda OK the rules have changed in order to get a car certified you can't have temporary registration. So, no more plates till the papers are ready. Should be ready within 7 days.
All I need are the yellow turning lights at the back and a fog light at the back. The electrician is doing it on monday. So far the plan is to put the turning light off completely where the red glass is. And change the bulb from red to yellow where its transparent. Plus put a temporary fog light on duck tape pass the certification and then take it off. Hopefully no holes and no extra lights will be needed.�
Feb 22, 2013
jcstp you can ask tesla germany how they europeanised their american S's
I saw they put a led foglight under the rear bumper
and I guess they did the lights how you plan it�
Mar 1, 2013
Laumb So, I went by the store today for a quick visit. Wanted to record how they have solved the rear amber flash lights on their own demo cars in Europe.
This is a White Performance model.
Video is "processing" at the time of posting this, but it will be availible in a few minutes.
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Mar 17, 2013
LuckyLuke Hey ckobopoda, are you driving the car already? Post some update on your story! :smile:�
Mar 17, 2013
hinsi How about the Xenon headlights ? According EU rules you need headlights washer for Xenon headlights. Unless the light density is below 2000 Lumen. In fact the light density is below 2000 Lumen but how can you porve this without the help of Tesla ?
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Have you been able to conntect your car to 3G and GPS ?
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Where the Norvegian guys able to get connectivity ? GPS and 3G ?
how did they manage ?�
Mar 20, 2013
ckobopoda Hello everyone!
Sorry for being offline for a while. Not much was happening since I started the certification process.
In the process I figured out that the original Tesla lights at the back are impossible to change without reprogramming the software...
It took me some time and money but yesterday I got my plates and all the registrations I need to drive
The weather was pretty cold lately. Down to -25c at nights and around -5 -10 during the day. I don't have winter tires. But the roads are pretty clear so I gave it a go.
What can I say, it was defiantly worth it. All the extra money I paid, all the trouble when it went into shut down and not having a service to go to, all the registration problems, all the overseas delivery pain. It all just goes away once you start driving it. I absolutely love it. I had my deal of different cars starting from a small Mini to big R class and from hybrids with small consumption to Cayenne with 26l/100km. This car is a next generation. Its like when iphone just came to the market. It gave a completely new standard to the industry. That is what Tesla did in my opinion with model S.
Here is a pic from Riga
3G isn't working, so I haven't got internet or navigation. I guess GPS is working but there is no use without internet connection. It does't bothers me much cause I don't really need a map in Riga�
Mar 20, 2013
FlasherZ This is GREAT to see! Congratulations!�
Mar 20, 2013
MikeC That is awesome, you must feel like the coolest guy in Latvia right now.�
Mar 22, 2013
brianman It's not just a feeling.�
Apr 1, 2013
hinsi Hello to Riga
Have you been able to establish conectivity ?
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Dec 19, 2013
Galve2000 Sorry to ressurect this long dormant thread but,
I'm curious about using a US based UMC to charge the US Based Model S in europe. I know the UMC is rated for both 50-60 Hz and can handle 230 Volts, but I'm more concerned about the wiring. did you use a NEMA 6-50 adappter and just wire Hot-Hot-Ground, or a 14-50 adapter wired similarly?
I'm thinking of shipping a Model S to Greece which is probably the last country in Europe that Tesla will ever try selling cars. also, because I only need the car in greece 6 months of the year, no modifications are needed for the tail lights etc.�
Dec 20, 2013
VolkerP Kalimera,
The U.S. 240V sockets are 120V between each hot phase and neutral. The NEMA 6-50 has 2x hot and ground (shown in green below)
The Tesla UMC doesn't use Neutral but requires a grounded connection.
Perhaps it will work if you wire Neutral and 230V to the 2 hot connectors of a NEMA 6-50 and protective Earth to ground.
But I'd rather consider an EU Model S instead of an US one. You get Tesla Ranger Service and warranty repairs. You can easily sell the vehicle. You can charge it across all Europe, and if superchargers come to the Autoput (M1), Greece might be connected late in 2015.
Edit: Additional benefit for EU car is GSM connectivity which is quite essential for many functions of the car.�
Dec 20, 2013
fredag The EU version supports charging with 400V three-phase, while the US version only supports single phase, and you can use European Mode3 Type2 charging stations. Both are a big plus for charging both at home and on the road.�
Dec 20, 2013
Galve2000 Thank you both for the replies... The Model S will be used mostly on an island in the Aegean that only has only single phase power so the whole 3 phase thing is kind of a non-issue.. By the time public chargers are built out on the Greek mainland we will all be on our Gen 6 Tesla.
What I need to know is how to use a US UMC with European wiring. I know it can be done but I'm not sure how.
I've spent a bunch of time looking at European EVSE websites but most of the keep their installation manual PDFs under wraps... It's kind of a pain! I know what I want to do can be done. I'm just not sure how.�
Dec 20, 2013
evme
Any reason why you can't just install a J1772 charger? Or you plan to charge it in multiple places and installing multiple chargers is not practical?�
Dec 21, 2013
Cottonwood If this is a private installation, just install a NEMA 6-50 receptacle. It needs 200-250 Volts across its hot terminals that are roughly balanced across the safety ground. See Shop Tesla Gear NEMA 6-50 and NEMA connector - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
I still don't understand why you don't want to use a European Model S. Seems service would be simpler, resale better, and I believe the European power connector has a single phase mode.�
Dec 23, 2013
GSP Just so you know, in case you decide and bring the car to Greece, and you want to make a trip to Skopje, Macedonia (Greece's northern neighbor), which is about 250kms north of Thessaloniki, I will be more than happy to offer you free charge in my garage for whatever time you need it. You can take a ferry to Thessaloniki, or Kavala (if you're going to the island of Thassos) and assuming you have the 85kWh battery, you can make it to Skopje on one charge.�
Dec 23, 2013
420weblazeit The charging solutions that European Roadster owners used should also work for a US Model S. They had 32 or 64 Amp 3-phase connectors installed in their garage, and hooked up to only one of the phases. This provided faster charging than a normal 220 V 16 A household outlet, but it was hard to get approval to hook up only one phase.
For use on the island, just using a normal 220 V 16 A household outlet is likely all you need, for either a US or Euro spec Model S. Even if you drive more miles in a day than can be recharged overnight, an 85 kWh MS will have enough range for several days, and charging will catch up on days that you drive less.
Like others have suggested, the Euro spec would be better for resale, service, and charging during road trips on the Continent.
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1/1/2015
guest So you're not permanently importing but "in transit" on US license plates? You need insurance, and you'll be fine with installing US chargers at home. Tell me if 3G roaming works�
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