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Design Studio Opens Monday part 1

  • Apr 8, 2016
    K-MTG
    Progress... Design studio for Model X opens on Monday! 100D?

    Hopefully I can order a sunshade!
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  • Apr 8, 2016
    Ulmo
  • Apr 8, 2016
    ModelXBoy
    Wow I have been waiting for model X for this many years and finally the design studio is open, and I still don't have model X yet. This is definitely ironically funny.
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  • Apr 8, 2016
    mmd
  • Apr 8, 2016
    Jeff Andrews
    'Price drop' price is probably just the price of the car with some options and with tax credits.
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  • Apr 9, 2016
    K-MTG
    You will get your X (and sunshade hopefully) the day after the design studio opens...one day wait right?
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  • Apr 9, 2016
    K-MTG
    Elon deleted his original tweet but still confirms the design studio in another tweet.
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  • Apr 9, 2016
    eloder
    The reserve button is still open too, but it doesn't mean newcomers jump ahead of old reservations.
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  • Apr 9, 2016
    Tgibson
    I have configured and ordered a 70D. Do you think new 90D and P90D orders confirmed after Monday will be produced before my 70D?
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  • Apr 9, 2016
    Oloron
    Almost certainly.
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  • Apr 9, 2016
    SMSMD
    Most definitely
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  • Apr 9, 2016
    beths11
  • Apr 9, 2016
    gjunky
    I wouldn't be surprised if they did the same to the 70D as they did to the 40 model S. Remove it for "lack of demand"
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  • Apr 9, 2016
    jsollender
    Then what, upgrade those customers to 90D with a new upgrade charge, or at no cost to customer? If the latter, you'd have an angry bunch of 90D reservists/owners crying foul. Same question if they offered a 100D and/or P100D. What then for cars already delivered as far as upgrade fee, and what about the non-VIN assigned confirmed orders already out there waiting for queueing that are 90D and P90D's? What might they say or pay to upgrade before VIN gets assigned, locking them into their confirmed configurations?
    Lots of pondering, but no solid answers until we see what news Elon offers us in 48 hours.
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  • Apr 9, 2016
    Ulmo
    Aha! Awesome. Moderators: please merge my original post with that thread, take out the "price drop" part and delete this thread.
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  • Apr 9, 2016
    Oloron
    I suspect there won't be any X changes, but if there are it's unlikely that a lower end model would be entirely removed. More likely would be to bump the 70 to an 80 to boost the appeal.

    Speculation is meaningless, but sometimes fun, so my guess would be that any battery change is just going to be the introduction of a 100 battery at a price point above the 90 for the S and maybe for the X. (i.e. The lineup would now be 70, 90, 100) As long as the 100 is priced above the current price of the 90, customer complaints get minimized. Then six months down the road, you phase out the 90 and bump the 70 to an 80.

    It will be interesting to see if they keep the X and S in lockstep for battery options.
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    K-MTG
    Where is the design studio? It looks like we got a recall instead.
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    X Fan
    another rumor run aground into the rocks....
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    K-MTG
    But this rumor was from Elon himself
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    X Fan
    he�s too busy counting model 3 reservations to keep track of the days......:)
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    shelbri
    He said Monday but he didn't say which week or month. Typical Elon/Tesla.
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    anticitizen13.7
    It's still not the end of the work day in the Pacific time zone. Technically, if the studio opened to the public at 11:59 PM Pacific, Elon would still be correct in his tweet.

    Give it a few more hours.
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    ModelXBoy
    I don't know how minimized the complain will be, but I am sure one super upset customer! I do not care about price increase, only about the max capability of the Model X money can buy. If they indeed increase to 100D. This makes my model X no longer max capable without even drivin for 200 miles. I will be super super mega mad!
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    K-MTG
    Will you still be mad if they were to give you a sunshade?

    Okay, I will stop now...
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    ModelXBoy
    Damn, you just made my day. Lol
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    omarsultan
    The thing to remember is the 40kWh pack was a different design that the 60/85 kWh so the cost of bringing the 40kWh to market was not worth the orders they had, which is why they then ended up delivering software limited 60 kWh packs to simplify life and conserve capital.
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    shelbri
    . Ha - you got the range you paid for. Just because more range is now available doesn't mean your range has diminished. Enjoy the car!
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    ModelXBoy
    Wow, you guys really got a big heart on Tesla. I love Tesla to death, don't get my wrong. But getting an iPhone 6 and two weeks later iPhone 7 came out does not seems to be a good thing IMO. I think maybe Tesla should wait for at least a year to release 100D.
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    K-MTG
    I agree, I hate it when that happens.
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    BluestarE3
    But won't the same issue occur a year from now for those who had just received their Model X's then? Unless Tesla switches to explicit model years, when is there a perfect time that won't upset someone?
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    Drivin
    I don't understand. How long should Apple take the iPhone 6 off the market before announcing the iPhone 7? Even when the new models come out, people still buy the old ones.

    Tesla should come out with the 100D ASAP. They should show the world that they are not resting and are constantly moving the state of the art.
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    K-MTG
    I would assume you did not order the X?
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    ModelXBoy
    I was about to write a book here explaining the reason why introducing 100D now is not a good idea. Now i don't think i should, because it's too obvious, too simple to understand it's not good idea. Unless one thing, and one thing only, Tesla main goal is to screw up on their early adaptors and punish them not only the long years of wait time, also a brand new outdated vehicle and also be lab rat to make sure they are pissed all the way without recovery! If that is the intention of Tesla, Tesla won't be around any longer. So the bottom line is it's very very rare to see 100D be introduced right after 90D was barely built for Model X.

    BTW, if people think they should have 100D right now, maybe 2 weeks later 105D or 110D should be introduced as well after 100D. Again, no bash on Tesla and whatever decision they try to make. But if they don't wait and get 100D out right now, they will sure have one angry customer like myself and some others.
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    K-MTG
    I heard a rumor about a special sunshade edition?
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    ModelXBoy
    No that rumor is wrong, you will be getting a fully sealed concrete wall surrounding your whole car. Not only sun can't get through, laser won't even penetrate! :D
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    hockeythug
    I get what you are saying but the iPhone is a bad example as it is pretty well known what time of the year Apple updates their flagship model these days.
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    K-MTG
    That is my dream car
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    dwebb66
    Why can't Tesla release a 100D tomorrow AND offer an upgrade at the same (or close) cost as the price difference between the 90D and the 100D? This would 'hurt' no one as you would have the opportunity as anyone else to be driving a 'top of the line' Model X as anyone else.
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    shelbri
    I took delivery of my car in Sept 2014. Two weeks after taking delivery Autopilot and the D were introduced. I was initially upset until I realized I got exactly what I ordered. Would I have preferred AWD and autopilot, yes. Did I get screwed? Definitely not. I made a decision to buy the car knowing it would improve over time.

    If a 90d has the range you need, buy it. If you feel you need more range, wait until the 130d is offered. I bet the autopilot suite will be better then anyway. In the meantime, I'll continue happily driving my Classic Tesla.
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    ilovtesl
    I would agree with that, but what about signature cars. Do they get discounted or free? When is the configurator going to open up?
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    Az_Rael
    Maybe we need to start a "Tesla Buyers Guide" site like MacRumors does. They originally started because Apple used to update the Mac randomly and unannounced. People were getting upset when they bought a mac computer and Apple updated it a couple of weeks later. So they created their Buyers Guides to try and help people time when it was a good idea to buy a Mac computer vs waiting based on industry rumors, etc.
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    ilovtesl
    In that case wait until the 100D an P100D come out to buy a model x
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    ModelXBoy
    Here is the issue. I do not against Tesla to improve its hardware in any way. But it's just too close of a refresh cycle for Model X to upgrade to 100D at this moment. If we do create a buyer guide like how Mac rumors does it, how can they warn buyers when new and upgraded time only 2 month? This is way too soon to get a refresh especially for a 100K car. Sure you can argue its 2012 model, sure you can argue its already out since Sep 2015, but how many? Tesla just ramping up its production now and an upgrade at the same time? Bad timing is what I meant. Give early adaptors at least 6 month to 1 year to at least justify the purchase. Hopefully I made myself clear and some people would agree. Peace!
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    K-MTG
    Great idea, this can be added to the forum
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    ecarfan
    Cool it Boy. Rumors aren't worth blowing an blood vessel over.
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    hunterpontiff
    You guys totally jacked this thread, and it no longer has anything to do with the Design Studio opening...which, by the way, for anyone following, still hasn't happened.
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    Dr ValueSeeker
    This is surely a problem with Tesla's frequent upgrades instead of a yearly or semi-annual schedule. For other car makers, the buyer knows a new model is coming months ahead, and the older models are discounted near the end to compensate the buyers. Not Tesla. You pay top dollars and get stuck with a beta car.

    At least, you have some chance to return the car under Lemon law and order the latest one again. How many days is your car sitting in the SC now?
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    ModelXBoy
    I think it has been 2 weeks and 4 days now. Will see if I can pick up on Tuesday as promised. The reason why it took so long is because the body was damaged due to failed door and unpainted section under the FWD. Those required body shop to take care of it. Took a bit longer than usual.
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  • Apr 11, 2016
    1208
    So this design studio is open to anyone with the internet? Or just reservation holders?
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    SMSMD
    not yet to everyone..it probably would soon
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    Ulmo
    To me it appears as if the configurator did not open Monday, and was replaced with the Model X back seat recall announcement.
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    flankspeed8
    Even after the S "refresh" the X page still shows "Reserve" rather than order.


    edit: now it looks like the design studio went live. Good stuff.
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    CmdrThor
  • Apr 12, 2016
    CmdrThor
    High amerage charger upgrade is not hidden and is $1,500.

    75D range is 237 miles. 90D costs an extra $10,000 + $2,500 for required active suspension.
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    Monkey
    New Model S front end! It matches the X now. Sorry, drifted off topic, but the site is changing...
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    Kbra
    I'm impressed they are already open to regular orders with next month delivery. A lot of those reservations must have canceled and demand is low. I love the tech they added but the physical design is meh IMHO. I know i'm not the only one with that thought...
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    CmdrThor
    Probably need to change the thread title to be accurate since my thread was merged here. 75D and new base price is now buried in this thread that went way off topic.
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    ABCCBA
    Just noticed that you can no longer Reserve a Model X from the teslamotors.com website. All it offers now is 'Stay Updated'.
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    amzng_ev
  • Apr 12, 2016
    MrBoylan
  • Apr 12, 2016
    SMSMD
    TODAY 12th APRIL 2016 the design studio opened with 75D at the same price as 70D which has been discontinued.good luck.
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    CmdrThor
  • Apr 12, 2016
    X Fan
    Design Studio estimated delivery dates are quite a surprise with even the 5 seater suggesting June delivery.

    Launch issues have hurt on-going sales momentum + existing reservations are not converting as expected?
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    trmmcd
    It also says May delivery for a 90D. That is quite a surprise - particularly for the many of us still waiting for our cars. Production must really be ramping up now.
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    MrBoylan
    And June delivery for a 75D which is great news. I wonder if they'll grandfather in those who confirmed a 70D at the previous price? I imagine they will.
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    SMSMD
    It's just not production...it's also "demand and supply"
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    Zaxxon
    Man, Tesla. Get some proofreaders (for like the 5th consecutive product page update). The page is self-contradictory--70D and 75D are the same option.
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    beths11
    I called, they told me the price you reserved the car at is the price you will pay.
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    SMSMD
    There is no price change on the Canadian design studio for 75D..its 114200/ Canadian dollars same as was for 70D
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    Oloron
    Thanks! Nice to get an upgrade and sooner than expected.
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    gmtom1
    The design studio is open, and the 70D was replaced with a 75D. If I configure my X 70D exactly the same, except with a 75D, the total cash price is $1800 more. ($101,500 vs. $99,700) I don't see any other significant changes. Interesting.
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    MarkoC
    I just checked the specs on my order and they have changed the 70 to 75. That's a nice surprise.
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    shelbri
    What is the difference between an Automatic Rear Liftgate and a Power Rear Liftgate, other than the $3k for the Premium Upgrade package? Automatic is standard. My Model S has a button to press on the display for the lift gate to open and close. Is that power or automatic?
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    SamPP
    I did not do
    Other people can redirect my post?
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    SMSMD
    Good for you
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    loganintx
    They still show it as a 70 kWh battery and same 220 mile range
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    DougH
    I cannot decide if I want an X or an S now.
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    mikevbf
    Dark Ash now seems the default no extra charge interior.
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    mikevbf
    The 75D has a 3k increase in starting price over the old 70D and Dark ash is now the default no extra charge interior. With 1.5k increase in the Model S starting price, the Model X's starting price still has a more than 5k premium over the Model S, but comes with a bigger battery. It does seem the differences in battery size are getting really small for the X.
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    Oloron
    Interesting. Hadn't noticed that. Looks like that's another free upgrade for reserved orders since we had the default interior (was Matte Obeche, now a $750 upgrade) and it's showing up as "included" at not extra cost.
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    loganintx
    Why did the S price go up? what changed?
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    mikevbf
    They redesigned the front to look more like the Model X grilless front. And it looks like they took a couple of things from the premium upgrade package as an option like the bioweapon air filtration thing.
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    goneskiian
    The S onboard charger has been changed to the same 48/72 that the X has too.
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    jtpassat
    Thank you - back on topic Trolls....

    Nice to see the design studio and never expected an 75kw battery option.


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  • Apr 12, 2016
    Monkey
    Anyone else notice that the 20" wheel options in the X design studio now say they come with all-season tires? I wonder if Tesla was tired of getting an ear full from all of us who originally configured 20" wheels, which were supposed to have all-season tires, and then trying to change us to summer tires? Hmmm...
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    tomp
    The design studio says May delivery for 90D and P90D and June delivery for 75D... how is that possible with the presumed backlog of orders?
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    Colby Boles
    Yeah, I can't believe their optimism anymore. They should really say June and then surprise people with early May deliveries if everything works out. I'm not sure why they would want to disappoint more people with late deliveries than they have already. Considering I still don't have evidence that my vehicle is in production and my delivery window is still listed as March on the TM website, I'm not that impressed by Tesla's ability to forecast things or even communicate about delays.
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    goneskiian
    That's just for the X90D and has been that way since they made the tire changes a couple months ago. The XP90D still shows ALL tire options get summer tires.
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    Monkey
    Oops. Thought I saw it that way for the P90D. Guess I'm not paying attention today...
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    K-MTG
    I also noticed that the "Dark Ash Wood D�cor" is the new default on the X configurator while "Matte Obeche Wood D�cor" is an upgrade. I would have preferred having the "Dark Ash Wood D�cor" but wanted to save $750. Hopefully the "Matte Obeche Wood D�cor" will match my Tan seats and black headliner interior.
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    brianman
    So Apple should never release the iPhone 7 and Tesla should never release > 90 kWh? Or are you saying they should both should suspend all sales/deliveries for a full year whenever a new version / capacity is announced? /confused
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    brianman
    No. You're using the word "beta" incorrectly.
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  • Apr 12, 2016
    ModelXBoy
    No, i am sorry to confuse you. I meant they should space them apart. So you don't have two groups of people having two variations at the same time with one been the better version. Another word, if Model X owners got their car already over couple of month, i think it's good for refresh. If Model X owners just starting to receive their cars and a newer hardware version comes out, it's not always a good idea. You count from the first major group of people who received the car and the duration of that version, next version should be spaced apart. If not, you will see 110D 3 month later after 100D was released. Give the early buyer a choice to upgrade or give early buyers a chance to have the latest toy for sometime before you obsolete them. Hopefully i made it somewhat more clear for you. Thanks.
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  • Apr 13, 2016
    MrBoylan
    Tesla PR confirmed that with me as well. Nice bonus for early confirmers.
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  • Apr 13, 2016
    MrBoylan
    Yes, Model X price went up, but only for the base level battery (but it's a bigger battery). It went from $80K for the 70D to $83K for the 75D. Those who configured and confirmed the 70D at the earlier price get the 75D for that price. Bonus! The 90D and P90D prices stayed the same.

    But Elon's Tweeted price was post-incentives. There is no Model X for $78K pre-incentives. If you're in California, a 75D Model X with AutoPilot and 6 seats would be $88,500 ($78,500 after $10K in federal and state incentives). This is probably what he meant.
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  • Apr 13, 2016
    MrBoylan
    So this is third party hearsay then? It's certainly something you can post about but the fact that you were not the one it happened to reduces the credibility of any of the supporting evidence.

    But in any case, this is the completely wrong thread for this discussion. We're talking about the Model X design studio being open to the public, not accidents in a Model S.
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  • Apr 14, 2016
    timf
    Someone incorrectly merged the threads and apparently it's too difficult to split them back up. Best to just let that other discussion die out.
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  • Apr 14, 2016
    goneskiian
    I just did a quick scroll through the thread. The damaged Chinese S posts are no longer here. At least I didn't see the pictures. If there is still a random reply to those I didn't notice but if you report it I'm sure the Mods will move it.

    Back to the X design studio....glad to see it live for everyone to play with!
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  • Apr 14, 2016
    Chris TX
    It was changed to "Broken Axle BS" and locked/hidden :p
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  • Apr 14, 2016
    goneskiian
    Perfect. As a bicycle rider who's worked in bike shops in my past, we call that a JRA, as in "I swear I was Just Riding Along when, ....(insert your favorite catastrophic failure here) happened to my bike!" Rrrriiiggghhhtttt..... ;-)
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