Apr 8, 2015
DaveT So today Tesla made a great announcement with the 70D (including navigation and supercharging as standard options). However, they also made a change with the power liftgate that used to be offered in the now defunct Tech Package. The power liftgate is now only available if you select the $5000 Premium Package (LED Lights, lighted door handles, power liftgate).
In my opinion this is a big mistake on Tesla's part since there are a lot of people that would like the power liftgate but don't want the added features of the Premium Package (ie., LED lights). Thus, it has potential to make the purchasing decision more complicated and challenging (especially to those wanting the Power Liftgate but who don't want to spend an extra $5k).
So my proposal is for Tesla to add a separate option for the Power Liftgate. They could charge probably $1000 or $1500 for it. And then they could adjust the price of the Premium Package since it would no longer have the Power Liftgate included in that package.
I've created a poll to see if my fellow TMC'ers agree with me on this or not. Also, I plan to forward this to Tesla management if there a large % of people who agree so they can reconsider the present configurations.�
Apr 8, 2015
AndreyATC It should either be part of tech pack or be standard feature�
Apr 8, 2015
Max* While I'm all for it, I'm sure Tesla has the potential of making more money by bundling useful features with less useful ones rather than doing it a la carte.�
Apr 8, 2015
DaveT Tech Package has been discontinued. My guess is that they thought about adding it as a standard feature but perhaps the costs were too high for them to sustain the margin they need (especially since they added navigation and supercharging as standard features to the 70D).�
Apr 8, 2015
SabrToothSqrl It does seem cheesy, but labor is a large cost, and is why many of these options may be bundled. I'd never buy a car w/out power lift gate, and at $5k it includes the black (if you want) headliner... so its really $3500 if you subtract that out.�
Apr 8, 2015
DaveT They'd probably make more money by bundling power liftgate with the premium package, but overall I think it's a poorer customer buying experience. For me, I'd be torn since a power liftgate is essential (in my opinion) but I wouldn't want to spend $5k for it (and I think the other premium features aren't essential for me). It would be a much simpler (and better) experience for someone like me (and probably a lot of others as well) if they would just separate out the power liftgate as a separate option. Even better would be to include it as a standard option (but it appears they aren't ready to do that).�
Apr 8, 2015
dirkhh Tesla gets measured by ASP and margin. This is likely to once again push both up (the Premium Package looks to be quite margin if you look at what it includes).
This is the downside of Tesla being a publicly traded company.�
Apr 8, 2015
Pinot.Noir Except on the P85D, the black headliner comes standard, so you are paying $1500 twice.�
Apr 8, 2015
nanimac Am confirming my 70D order over the next couple days. I can't see paying $5,000 just because I want the power lift gate. I don't really care about the other stuff in the premium interior package. IMO, a luxury car SHOULD have a power lift gate as a standard option. At least add as an after delivery option instead? TM stalkers, are you listening? :wink:�
Apr 8, 2015
Johan DaveT: of course you are correct and while I'm all for good margins, I'm also against rubbing people the wrong way and receiving the same type of animosity that traditional car dealers are so despised for. So yes, please change this Tesla.�
Apr 8, 2015
Gizmotoy It's perhaps relevant that the closest ICE competitor, the Audi A7, includes a power liftgate as standard.
It's weird they shuttled it off into a package that I suspect few people want. Given the relatively cheap stuff they packaged with it, I assume the margins will be fantastic. It might be a deliberate play to bundle a "must have" feature with a bunch of stuff that rarely sells otherwise.�
Apr 8, 2015
markb1 I think even that would be way overpriced for this option. How much does the power liftgate piston part cost? A couple hundred dollars, maybe? That plus some wiring is all there is to this feature. So maybe $500 would be more reasonable.�
Apr 8, 2015
DaveT Alright, we've got close to 90% agreeing that Tesla ought to add Power Liftgate as a separate option (and not as part of the $5k premium package). I just sent off an email to Tesla management with a link to this thread.�
Apr 8, 2015
Pinot.Noir Thanks Dave. I for one will not order under the current scenario, and I was ready to order the P85D as soon as Ocean Blue was available, but now I'm back to waiting. If there are no changes to the Premium Package anytime soon, then Tesla just made my decision to save $5k that much easier.�
Apr 8, 2015
jvsb It's sort like ordering cable TV packages. To get 5 good channels I have to get 40 shopping channels. I hope Tesla doesn't become like Suddenlink. When I ordered my Infiniti 10 years ago the packages offered saved money but if I remember you could still order the options individually.�
Apr 8, 2015
CarlK Ideally every single option item should be individully priced. The only reason against it is production efficiency. Someday Tesla may be able to do it when its manufacturing process matures. BTW I don't believe the conspiricy theory. Tesla can always price popular options higher. There is no need to package them with less popular items to make profit. Not to mention it does not work anyway because people will just refuse to buy it.�
Apr 8, 2015
grahamsimmonds Had I had the choice, I would not have ordered the power lift on my P85D. I think this change is a good thing as it means you can get the Autopilot hardware without having to pay for the power lift which I consider to be a pointless option, adding unnecessary weight.�
Apr 9, 2015
SunnyCoast I support the power lift being separate. The premium interior costs the P85D buyer the cost of the alcantara as a double up and makes the A$6400 option a total rip off. For an admirable company doing great things sometimes they really are amateurish in how some things happen. Also the description of what is different in the surface finishes of the premium interior is a joke. The only negative from my test drive was the quality of the interior which is not as nicely finished as my wife's VW CC at a quarter of the cost (seat design, stitching, leather feel and seat ventilation, carpet quality and fit, panel gaps and rattles)�
Apr 9, 2015
Gwgan If they take the liftgate out of the premium package them a desire for fog lights will cost $5000.�
Apr 9, 2015
JakeP Which then makes you question why Fog Lights are a "Premium" item, instead of a necessary safety item.�
Apr 9, 2015
efusco I don't think a petition will change anything any time soon, but, perhaps over time they'll make the change. I think it is sad because the lift gate is the only thing I really need/want out of an over priced (IMO) luxury package. The ambient lights are nice, but not necessary, the turn lights are great, but can survive without. The fog lamps are eye candy only, the head liner is pretty, but not at $5000. But the lift gate gets used almost every day...very convenient to be able to pop it open when my kid is approaching with full hands, or to remotely shut it when they get their stuff and are walking away. I can live without it, and will before paying $5000 for the option, but agree it should be part of some more reasonablely priced option OR there should be something more in the luxury package to add value there (Tesla "T" puddle lights and HUD maybe?).�
Apr 9, 2015
crmatson Perhaps we need Elon's son to voice his opinion on the matter.
Tesla CEO Elon Musk says he brought a feature back to the company's top-of-the-line sedan only after the change received negative feedback from his offspring. Speaking to attendees of the Automotive News World Congress today in Detroit, Musk said that one of his kids called the Model S "the stupidest car in the world," because it didn't have reading lights in the back. The feature had originally been removed because Musk and others believed people would use backlit devices. One of his five kids thought (and said) differently, and the lights were brought back.
Tesla originally said the removal of the lights was to increase the headroom in the backseat area, something it was able to accomplish while keeping the lights, but the company managed to ship out some cars to customers that did not have them. Tesla ultimately offered to install the lights to those customers at no cost.
Tesla added a feature back to the Model S after Elon Musk | The Verge�
Apr 9, 2015
vchadha Totally agree the Premium Package does not make sense at all and is way overpriced. Tesla should not stump down to such petty tactics in order to increase profits. Now they have good momentum with sales they should carry on pleasing their customers as they still have a long way to go to prove themselves as a long term car manufacturer.�
Apr 9, 2015
outdoors I mentioned this in another post, but I thought I would further refine it for some viewers liking. My wife is a soccer mom. She is part of a carpool for both soccer/lacrosse and for school. I look at the backseat of my ICE Suburban (auto liftgate) compared to my Subaru Outback(manual). In the Suburban my wife pulls up and kids jump out as she presses liftgate. Kids retrieve bags of soccer/lacrosse gear at the rear. Closes and off she drives. My Subaru does not. Which means kids throw the bags in the backseat because who wants to get out in the rain, or even at all in the line of cars dropping kids off(all whom have auto liftgates). So my backseat of the Subaru is trashed beyond belief. Suburban looks like a it could be an executive car to the airport.
So this brings me to my point. My kids are 7 and 9. They are not opening the liftgate themselves even with a TESLA stool. My wife is not getting out of the car to open it either.
I canceled my X reservation with the intention of getting a 85D for my wife. We could not wait until later next year as the ICE Suburban is also a Tow vehicle and mileage was getting to high as daily driver. One thing I know I am not going to proceed until this does get fixed. A 95k car that is hatchback styled should have that as standard. Unless TESLA wants us to be ambassadors of the brand each time we get out of our car to close the liftgate. Plus I am not going to let a nice interior get trashed ever again.�
Apr 9, 2015
scottm Weird, the poll said I already voted when I know I haven't. Hm.
Anyway, the option of power lift rear gate should be more affordable. This stood out as really odd when configuring a 70D. The oddest thing about making a car equipped the way you'd want it.
Who cares about LEDs? Why are they bundled like this? LEDs are cheap. This is a petty bundling for an overpriced option. That's how I read it.�
Apr 9, 2015
Thud There's nothing really compelling in the "premium package" except for the power liftgate.
Does the non-power liftgate at least raise on its own (due to the pneumatic tubes)?
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Well if history teaches us anything, just wait a couple of months for all the option packages to be shuffled around again!�
Apr 9, 2015
justaddsun Agree with all of this -- now each of us should also email Tesla about it. I would assume the last thing they want to hear is "I cancelled my order" or "I will not order until..." or "I will not confirm until..."�
Apr 9, 2015
yobigd20 all of these 'premium' features should be standard. it's clear that the premium package is was an unscrupulous decision by a number cruncher trying to make 99% profit margin on idiots.�
Apr 9, 2015
rlang59 They even seem to have put homelink in there too according to the spec page:
Premium Package adds
- Fit and finish refinements, including the use of higher quality materials and LED lighting
- Power liftgate
- LED fog and cornering lights
- Lighted door handles
- GPS enabled homelink
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Apr 9, 2015
maeriksen (also, just registered after reading on here for a long time - just to respond to this)
I'm really upset that this got shifted around - I REALLY wanted that power liftgate - the LEDs on the door handles, cornering lights, fog lights, that I wanted too, but the powered lift gate is a must for me. It's a nice feature that I enjoy.
The "higher quality" materials do nothing for me, they look the same to me, and I rarely feel them.
Also, in my language, the danish design studio, it is referred to as "interior package" - pray tell, how are fog lights, cornering lights, door handle lights in this package? I know, I know, sorry.
I should not focus this much on a small thing like this, but everything else about Tesla is just right up my alley, and this rubbed me sideways.�
Apr 9, 2015
efusco Crap, now they'll sell it for sure. Really would not be as satisfied without homelink and power liftgate. But $5000, that is so much money...would rather, for the money, upgrade to a performance or dual option.�
Apr 9, 2015
ecarfan I believe that is a mistake because Homelink is listed as a standard feature on the same page. Dumb error. Cannot believe that Homelink would be an expensive option. It's basic these days, and is definitely standard in any luxury (or "premium) car.
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Apr 9, 2015
Max* That's unclear at the moment. On the design studio page, GPS enabled homelink is listed under standard equipment�
Apr 9, 2015
rlang59 I wouldn't even remotely put it past Tesla to make that part of an expensive options package to increase the sales of said option.�
Apr 9, 2015
CarlK It says GPS enabled homelink. You probably still get homelink as standard but it will not be GPS enabled. Small details.�
Apr 9, 2015
efusco I wondered that nuance. I could live without the GPS enabled part and wouldn't pay to upgrade to GPS enabled. I think they'll need something significantly more value added to make the luxury package attractive enough to spend 5 grand. Cooled seats? the puddle lights with the Tesla T I mentioned before, upgraded LTE or maybe additional charge points in the back seats. Something more.�
Apr 9, 2015
timf Tesla could solve this issue by splitting the Premium Package into two parts: interior and exterior.
Interior Premium Package - $2000
Extended Leather Trim
Ambient Lighting
*Requires Alcantara Headliner (included with P85D, $1500 option otherwise)
Exterior Premium Package - $1500
LED cornering lamps and fog lamps
Lighted door handles
Power liftgate
This pricing adds up the same way but the smaller numbers are more customer friendly, making people more likely to check the boxes.�
Apr 9, 2015
Nevek That would solve several issues with one change. Makes a lot of sense.�
Apr 9, 2015
AmpedRealtor This is a great way for Tesla to make an extra $5,000 per car. By including such a convenient feature in that package, they push a lot of people towards spending the extra money. They probably put a lot of thought into this decision.�
Apr 9, 2015
MsElectric Or they should bring back the Tech Package and include the following in that at a reasonable cost. They can then sell the following package for let's say $4,000 and I bet just about everyone will select it and Tesla will be happy with the extra revenue and customers won't feel resentment for having to pay for Alcantara when they don't want it.
+ Autopilot
+ Ambient Lighting
+ LED cornering lamps and fog lamps
+ Lighted door handles
+ Power liftgate
IMHO the Premium Package should be compromised of materials and not technology. So they can then have an interior premium package that upgrades certain materials in the car:
+ Extended Leather
+ Alcantara
+ And what they heck maybe throw in some Alcantara blankets because they really seem to want to get rid of all the Alcantara they have
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Apr 9, 2015
siucity It says "GPS enabled homelink" under both standard features and premium package.�
Apr 9, 2015
MsElectric Except I bet a lot of people will either sit out until they revise the option packages or not pay the $5,000 to get the lift gate when they can buy a Tesla STOOL for a lot less
That's what we are doing and based on other forum posts I know we are not alone so having an option package that many consider to be exorbitantly priced is not good for Tesla as few will choose it and the few who choose it will do so with some resentment.�
Apr 9, 2015
efusco It's a great way if people value the lift gate that much. I doubt the other items will hold as much valuable for people, they don't for me. And I don't think the lift gate alone would either. I'm sure they put a lot of thought into it. Coke put a lot of thought into "New Coke" too...�
Apr 9, 2015
ecarfan Excellent recommendation! Let's hope Tesla is listening.
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Apr 9, 2015
scott jones I for one will NOT buy until the liftgate is a separate option. I thought I was the only one who could NOT believe it was part of the package.�
Apr 9, 2015
ecarfan Well, it's never been a stand-alone option. Before it was always part of the Tech Package option. It is unlikely that Tesla is going to offer the automatic lift gate, or other features, as line item options any time soon. Over the past two years Tesla has continuously simplified and reduced the Model S options list.�
Apr 9, 2015
Uncle Paul Power lift gates are a pretty recent option on many cars. They are usually offered in some kind of a luxury or convenience application, since most people want the much simpler manual hand raise.
Manufacturers typically make their cars to appeal to the 85th percentile buyer. Trying to make everybody happy is often a recipe for failure.
I understand that everybody wants to spec each car to their perfect option list, but is much easier and more efficient to offer options in packages. Believe every other manufacturer does the same thing.�
Apr 9, 2015
MsElectric They should reconstitute the Tech Package with Autopilot and put the power lift gate and the miscellaneous LEDs as a part of that package. Removing the lift gate from the Tech Package and putting it in a Package that few find of value is the reason for this whole lift gate fiasco.
The lift gate and the LED interior lights, LED door handle lights, and the LED fog lights should be put in the Tech Package with Autopilot and they can increase the cost of that package by $1,500 and just about everyone will be happy.�
Apr 9, 2015
DaveT Great recommendation.
I sent an email to Jerome Guile and another person in Tesla management with a link to this post and asking them to consider adding the power liftgate as a separate option. Here's the reply I got from Jerome yesterday:
"Thanks for your note and sharing your concern with us. I have shared your feedback with our sales, engineering, and program management teams. We continuously try to simplify the ordering process by proposing choices which are appreciated by our customers. It is definitely not our intention to make any decision more difficult. Your opinion is appreciated and my colleagues will review it. Many thanks for your continued support."
I suggest for those who feel strongly about this issue to email Tesla and let your voices be known. I think it's in the best interest of Tesla if they can make the change quickly.�
Apr 9, 2015
JakeP
TimF, this is a very simple and very elegant solution, I hope Tesla considers this option.
My alternate suggestion for Tesla would be the following, just because personally I like the lighting effects but don't care for the Alcantara, and don't like to see them bundled:
1) Make the Power Liftgate standard, as it is presumably required for Rear Facing Seats anyway.
2) Premium Interior Trim Package
-Extended Leather Trim
-Alcantara Headliner
3) Premium Lighting Package
-Ambient Lighting
-LED cornering lamps and fog lamps
-Lighted door handles
And why not just make #3 standard anyway, how much can a bunch of LEDs and wiring really add in cost, that you wouldn't make back via the benefits of standardization?�
Apr 9, 2015
brkaus But I want the headliner but don't care about the extended leather trim. Not going to ever make everyone happy.�
Apr 9, 2015
GregTexas Can the 17 members that voted no tell us why they voted no? I understand the yes responses but don't have a clue about the no responses.�
Apr 9, 2015
siucity My guess is that there are people who bought the Tech Package option to get the power liftgate, so they feel everyone should pay into some package to get that feature.�
Apr 10, 2015
rjcbox Was close to ordering, will now hold off until options are more a la carte�
Apr 10, 2015
sandpiper I think you'll be waiting a long while. In the 6 months since I ordered mine, it's gone completely the other way. Tesla is clearly streamlining their manufacturing process as they ramp up volume. And in doing so, they're going away from a la carte and more to defined "packages". It allows for more kitting of parts, fewer on-line problems and ultimately lower cost. I suspect that it's only a matter of time before we see the vehicles in defined trim levels with more styling cues, in the same way that we see with other manufacturers.
That said, there's a lot of noise specifically about the lift gate, so that one may be moved.�
Apr 10, 2015
AziwA What are all of your thoughts on a possible body facelift as we see with other manufacturers? The body of the Model S has not changed (as far as I know) since launch, maybe time some slight changes?�
Apr 10, 2015
rlang59 You can do that already, it's $750 for white or $1500 for black.�
Apr 10, 2015
justaddsun Doubt it. That would require retooling or changing the manufacturing process, at least with the aluminum, not to mention reallocation of design resources. All of that should be going to the X, and Model 3.
I think the impact of changing the headlight cluster ("next gen" LED headlights) and offering different wheel options (20" please) would go a long way cosmetically and really does appeal to a lot of buyers.
On the topic of the liftgate, now that we're making our wishes, it would have been nice for TM to make it a motion sensing liftgate (when the foot is just under the bumper). Seems like it would be easy to place the sensor in the black plastic under the bumper. That way it would have made the $5k price of the PP more palatable or they could have made it its own desirable option. Otherwise, I agree they should have made the basic liftgate standard.�
Apr 10, 2015
Max* They fixed the specs page. GPS enabled homelink is NOT part of the premium package, it's standard.�
Apr 10, 2015
Hank42 How about a third option - Make is STANDARD EQUIPMENT�
Apr 10, 2015
Gabzqc +Electric liftgate and Lighted handles part of TECH PACKAGE !!!�
Apr 10, 2015
kaiserpathos I heard from my delivery specialist this morning, and Tesla is making a pricing-adjustment to Premium Package liftgate etc option. It's moving to $3000 and will be re-named "Premium Interior & Lighting". Should be live on the Ordering tool within about 24 hours.�
Apr 10, 2015
dirkhh Fascinating. It's as if they were reading this forum...�
Apr 10, 2015
justaddsun So Premium includes the liftgate still, but they just took $2000 off?�
Apr 10, 2015
Max* Did they just uncouple the alcantra and call it a new package?�
Apr 10, 2015
markb1 It's nice that Tesla is willing to change course after some feedback. It's just too bad they didn't realize the Premium Package was a bad idea before it went live.�
Apr 10, 2015
Pinot.Noir I wonder how they'll handle the Alacantara with the P85D orders? If it's standard for the P85D, which it is on the website now, will they reduce the Premium Interior and Lighting cost even further to reflect that?�
Apr 10, 2015
ecarfan That sounds good but I will believe it when I see the Model S Design Studio page change.�
Apr 10, 2015
Gabzqc The real question here is weather cabling will be installed for the liftgate actuator as standard, and weather retrofitting would be possible from a salvage unit #PlanningAhead�
Apr 10, 2015
Kbsilver Presuming true, it shows what can be done in a company as nimble and responsive as Tesla with something such as option packaging and pricing. Instead of spending months (years) on market research, they can literally do it on the fly.�
Apr 10, 2015
nanimac Still too expensive to me...it's a better deal if you want all the premium interior stuff and exterior lights, but I just want the power lift gate. Just pressed my confirm button 5 minutes ago too.�
Apr 10, 2015
steve29 I appreciate the adjustment today, but really, at this price the power lift gate absolutely should be standard. Could buy three Ford Escapes with it and still have $$$ left over. Even if I can afford it, I don't like the feeling of being squeezed or taken advantage of.�
Apr 10, 2015
ecarfan And now I believe it.
I'm happy that Tesla has obviously responded to the torrent of complaints posted here. At $3K I think that option is worth it and if I was replacing my 2013 S85 today I would include that option.
But I am stunned that Tesla dropped the light silver paint color. It's very popular and is a color that almost every car company offers in some form.�
Apr 10, 2015
notAmeenPerson I'm hyperventilating (a little), EM replied to my tweet. I guess we have a definitive answer on the power liftgate.
Sorry. I don't know how to embed tweets.
"@notAmeenPerson No, but we bundled it with a bunch of other great features, incl alcantra & other items. V good deal at $3k."�
Apr 10, 2015
steve29 Wow...very cool that he replied directly (though I'd prefer a different answer.) Thanks for taking it up with him......�
Apr 11, 2015
yobigd20 Now we just need to get them to remove that unscrupulous 'after incentives & gas savings' prices from their website and Tesla will be back to being respectable!
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I do agree that the new package is much more worth of it's price tag than before:
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Apr 11, 2015
nanimac awesome! BTW..I live in Mililani too !�
Apr 11, 2015
ahimberg With the price reduction at 3k instead of 5k for a liftgate its now only 2x what it should be,
so now price is not my main problem with the Premium Package (though I still don't actually want the headliner upgrade which seems a big part of the price) -- but that you have to get the leather armrests and dashboard. I want a non-leather interior but am told you can't get the premium package and opt out of that part. Apparently you can't opt out of the leather wrapped steering while anymore either.�
Apr 11, 2015
Paul Carter I'm not pressing the order button until the Lift Gate-Gate is resolved.�
Apr 11, 2015
Lerxt What issue? They virtually halved the price of the package, it's well worth the money given what is included.�
Apr 11, 2015
Paul Carter To pay more for something I really don't want. Albeit I just got some feedback that the wear on the leather isn't going to be an issue I would be concerned with, still, I just can't understand how the lift gate isn't standard or an option onto its own.
Others agree...
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Apr 12, 2015
ahimberg I went and compared the standard liftgate to powered... not worth the premium package for me -- but not a deal breaker on the car -- opening is still fairly automatic, just losing the close button.�
Apr 12, 2015
Matias :biggrin:�
Apr 12, 2015
markb1 They still are packaging aesthetic features with functional features. Some people don't care about alcantara and leather armrests, and they don't want to pay for those.�
Apr 12, 2015
neroden Power liftgate is a must-have. In many regions, fog lights are a must-have.
Alcantara headliner is a must NOT have for many people. It is a very bad idea to bundle valuable functional options with a cosmetic option which a lot of people will actively want to AVOID.
Tesla has been told not to mix functional and cosmetic options before. Apparently the people at Tesla marketing are fools who don't listen to the customers, because they haven't been listening to this very basic advice, which they've been told for several years.
Tesla has made it unusually hard to replace the headliner due to a non-standard attachment scheme, by the way. (I looked into this.)�
Apr 12, 2015
rjcbox Exactly�
Apr 12, 2015
nanimac totally agree.�
Apr 13, 2015
grahamsimmonds I would include power liftgate as very much an optional extra as with all of the other things in the premium package. It is not a "must-have" to me as the mechanism weighs more and is an unnecessary drain on the battery.
Also, if you do not choose them, are the fog lights still present but with ordinary bulbs?
Was I re-ordering I would not have chosen the premium package. When I ordered the tech package, what I wanted were the Autopilot features but I had to buy a power lift gate as well. This split seems much more sensible now and with the drop in price is reasonable.�
Apr 13, 2015
timf There's only one type of fog lights. Either you have them with the Premium package, or you don't.�
Apr 14, 2015
lg_golfs Just pulled the trigger on a 70D.
I am going to add my voice to the displeasure of having function items bundled with aesthetic items.
I am pretty strong, but, 5 foot 7 later 40's female found the trunk a little bit wieldy while trying to close it.
I golf, a lot. Was looking forward to putting the bag on my back and closing the trunk with the push of a button. Now, I can see me whap my bag into the car while trying to close it by hand. Simply a longer process to put the bag down, close, etc but was really looking forward to avoiding that.
Simply cannot justify the 3K.
The lift really should be a separate line item.�
Apr 14, 2015
nanimac I'm a petite 5"1...guess i'll be getting a good arm workout every time I access the trunk...and will likely resent Tesla a little for not making the power lift gate pricing "within my reach"!�
May 22, 2015
lg_golfs Picked up my Automatic Liftless 70D last night.
Do I wish it had it? Yes. Not at the price and the additional options which I did not feel would match my textile interior.
However, that being said, the keyfob still unlocks, but does not raise the lift.
I struggled trying to manually close a lift with the automatic suspension. Mine is much lighter and easier to open and close. I am pretty sure all Teslas have this (well, I am guessing) but, there are two pull down slots on the lift itself which help.
I might however give into another charging cable just to avoid having to go through the whole routine when I charge at home.
So, if you are debating 86ing the lift gate its not unwielding, just not as convenient.�
May 22, 2015
No2DinosaurFuel Make the power lifegate $1000 and i will be much more inclided to buy now. Right now i am waiting for an inventory car with the premium package so i can buy without paying the extra cost. Yes some will say it is 2K out of 100K car. But that 2K is still a alot when i dont care about the other useless stuff that comes with it.
I am a person who hates it when people buy things they dont use. I just dont want to hate myself when i pay for ssomething i dont use.�
May 22, 2015
travwill power lift gates should be standard on this car period. They are standard on many cars 1/3 or 1/4 the price!�
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