Jun 11, 2016
Vic4Model3 Guessing my MX 5 seater with coil suspension will go into production sometime between Oct thru December.
It seems that the above configuration is not that common, maybe only 5 to 7 percent total orders.
Anyone have a better guess on production time line (5 seater with coil suspension)?�
Jun 11, 2016
Uncle Paul I have one on order, and expect it to not arrive till late in the year.
If this is the case, I will want to delay it till the 2017 model year, to not incure a full years depreciation (the most expensive thing about a Tesla) in just a month or so.
Does Tesla have a policy about delaying delivery till the next model year?�
Jun 11, 2016
Vic4Model3 Don't Model Years usually change in September? Definitely something to consider, if not planning to keep for 8 to 10 years, then passing down to children or grandchildren.
Not sure Tesla even uses Model Years, but date of manufacture.�
Jun 11, 2016
beths11 They have upgraded as many coils to SAS as possible, with the promise of early deliveries. They are now upgrading 5 seat to 6 or 7 seats, with the promise of early delivery. Soon they will have to make our cars. It is good news they are delivering the 75D. When I confirmed in April the design studio said "5 seats mid year". Now it says "new orders, 5 seats late". I am holding out hope that those of us who ordered under the "mid-year" promise will get VINs late July and cars in September.
We shall see... Nice to see a thread for 5 seat, coil folks to commiserate.�
Jun 11, 2016
scottfl We ordered the same configuration two months ago. At that time we were promised June/July delivery. After continued delays without an end in site, just yesterday we changed the configuration to a 6 seater with air suspension. Also, after a recent test drive of a 6 seater, we ended up really liking the 6 seat configuration and grew concerned of potential rear visibility issues of a 5 seater. Added cost though...�
Jun 11, 2016
Merrill We made the same decision after sitting in a 7 seat unit and unless you are short you cannot sit in the middle of the 2nd row or your head hits the main structure that the fwd are attached to. Also very little visibility thru to the rear window.�
Jun 11, 2016
scottfl Thanks, that makes me feel better about my expensive change. A bit strange with a car with so much thought put into the design, usability and safety that rear visibility is so limited. Perhaps future versions will have a folding second row seat and larger rear view mirror.�
Jun 11, 2016
Vic4Model3 I'm currently having second thoughts about the 5 Seater's second row of seats not folding down flat the way they do on the Model S.
So, I'm now in negotiations with Tesla to convert my order and $2,500 deposit to a Model S Order. Tesla said they will get back to me on Monday.�
Jun 11, 2016
scottfl �
Jun 11, 2016
scottfl But if you switch to a Model S you will have to manually open and close your door to drive. That might be too physically demanding
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Jun 11, 2016
dhanson865 Indeed, no model years. Date of manufacture year is used for the Model Year field on forms for the state DMV and Insurance and such.
So depreciation could be a factor if you aren't keeping the car for the long haul.�
Jun 12, 2016
jsollender When I spoke to corporate to upgrade 5 to 6 seater they were quite logical with me asking why I wanted 5 seat config, to which I went on about storage capability. They said keep the 3rd row perpetually down and i would have exact same config in the 7 seat style. In other words you will be surprised that your storage will not be much different between a folded 3rd row (7seat) versus missing 3rd row(5 seat). That's why I ditched my plans to holdout for a 5 seater and upgraded to 6 seater. I will have a very large 4 seat vehicle with the last row always folded.�
Jun 12, 2016
Merrill My thinking as well. Since the 2nd row does not fold and with the 6 seat configuration you also have the middle available from the back all the way to the front center consol.�
Jun 12, 2016
Vic4Model3 What are the odds Tesla are planning a change to the 5 Seater configuration for Fall 2016 production, so that the 2nd Row Seats Fold Down Flat?�
Jun 12, 2016
vandacca I like them odds.�
Jun 12, 2016
beths11 Too bad a four seat configuration is not available. No third row, second row configured as 6 seat version.
@Vic4Model3 I think your decision to go to a Model S is a good one. If I didn't dislike a sedan so much I would too. Better mileage, lower cost, greater storage flexibility and, at least if not the same, more cargo space, and car top carrier support.
@Vic4Model3 If you upgrade to 6 or 7 seats you will also have to add SAS. No coils for 6 or 7 seats.
To Summarize:
Tesla shows prototype SUV/CUV with lots of storage, all seats fold.
Tesla produces SUV/CUV with 2nd row seats which don't fold.
Many orders not confirmed. Model 75s start production earlier than expected.
Tesla changes the requirement for 75D 6 or 7 seats to have SAS, many people upgrade to SAS from coils for quicker delivery. Tesla provides SAS at discount.
Tesla tells those who write/call "The 5 seat version really won't have more space. You are better off to upgrade to 6 or 7 seat, and you will get your car earlier." I believe the top portion of the third row, folded down, creates a very uneven floor surface, that should be gone with the 5 seat.
If I was told the last statement by a high ranking Exec. at Tesla, causing me to change a 5 seat configuration to a 6 or 7 seat and upgrade to SAS, and then Tesla comes out with a folding second seat I would be livid. Sorry what I want is what I ordered, Suv/Cuv with 5 seats on coils and by the way when it was promised when I ordered "Mid-year 2016". Let's have a bit more transparency with ALL 5 seat, coil confirmed orders. Last note from my DS still telling me by September.
I'm not changing my order, folding second row please.
Discloser: I am long on Tesla and believe in the product, the mission and the company.�
Jun 12, 2016
jsollender I too am looking long on TSLA with the shares to prove that. I would be quite angry if 5 seats rolled out within 2 months of my conversion/upgrade. As I see it there is no way to expect a flat floor with the third row absent for you must account for the hump for there motors. Went to store today and closely looked at the third row folded. You certainly would get the few inches created but the thickness of the 3rd seat back but not much more. All in all I'm happy that I opted for the upgrade without the extra 500$. I'm getting the car off my dreams. I'm happy and excited. Now working there details like NEMA 14-50 install!�
Jun 12, 2016
beths11 I look forward to your delivery and pictures of a happy Tesla owner with their new car.�
Jun 12, 2016
fbitz777 So there is not $500 extra charge to upgrade from 5-seater to 6-seater, right?
I think I am going to wait another month or two to see how things progress and reliability gets better and then move up to 6-seater (I already have SAS)�
Jun 12, 2016
jsollender Oh yes there is a $500 change fee for any change after your week after final configuration. It's up to you to be able to sweet talk TM to waive the fee, even if upgrading to a more expensive vehicle.�
Jun 15, 2016
Vic4Model3 I had the 5 seater with coils on order.
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My conversation to a Model S was confirmed today.
It's kind of bitter sweet now because I started fantasizing about how good it would be if I removed the center seat of the second row seating on the Model X, just in case the conversion to the MS didn't happen. I think the Model X would make a gorgeous 4 seater. I love the look of the Falcon Wing Doors.
So I'm moving over to the MS Forums.�
Jun 15, 2016
beths11 Sorry to see you go, but glad you will be getting a great car earlier rather than later.�
Jun 16, 2016
Vic4Model3 Thanks for your well wishes.�
Jun 18, 2016
tgbrad Hidden delivery date of Late September for my X 75D 7 seat with coils�
Jun 18, 2016
beths11 I think you are the first coil order with a VIN?�
Jun 19, 2016
IZSMM Alas - a most unfortunate combination
The hidden code on my account for my 5 seater coil MX75D is the same:
<option value="2016-09-19|first-available">First Available</option>
<option value="2016-09-19">Late September</option>
<option value="2016-10-01">October</option>
<option value="2016-11-01">November</option>
<option value="2016-12-01">December</option></select>
No VIN.�
Jun 19, 2016
Bishop Actually mine says the same thing too�
Jun 23, 2016
IZSMM Nvm. I was told that the hidden code doesn't mean anything�
Jun 23, 2016
Brandon332 The hidden code refers to the dropdown menu on Tesla's main site. If u configure an order on their site and click next, there is a dropdown menu where you select delivery preference. These refer to that.�
Jun 23, 2016
wang5150 75D, 6 seats, coils and still no VIN yet. I did not go for the SAS upgrade back in May and I was told that Sept would be the delivery date if I passed on the SAS option.
I'm happy to wait... 75Ds 6/7 seats with coils will be unicorns.�
Jul 12, 2016
masam I was told that coil would delay delivery to December or early 2017�
Jul 25, 2016
Scoopup Any news on the 5 seat coil suspension?�
Jul 26, 2016
Scoopup I didn't know you could get 6/7 seat with coils?�
Jul 26, 2016
wang5150 Coils were available for 6/7 seats until SAS was made to be required in March/April-ish in the Design Studio. Then there was a campaign to get those orders upgraded to SAS for 50% of the normal upgrade price with change fees waived.
I eventually upgraded to SAS as well just so I can get delivery of the Model X in 2016. Those that hold out will have a very special variant of the Model X. I wish I could have held out longer to also have a unicorn Model X.�
Jul 26, 2016
Terthen Looks like everyone but myself has upgraded. I see in your sig and in tgbrad's sig you guys both upgraded. I'm doing my best to hold out...
white, 70d->75d, coil, autopilot... confirmed in March. No VIN still.�
Jul 26, 2016
Terthen oops had to add, 6 seater.�
Jul 26, 2016
wang5150 You'll have a very unique variant of the Model X if you can wait for it to be in production. Unfortunately, my needs changed and I now need the Model X before end of 2016. Otherwise, I would have waited for the coil option to be in production.�
Jul 26, 2016
Terthen Thanks. My delivery specialist just called me back. To any of you out there who still have this configuration, which I'm guessing at most is 1 other person, they recommended I hold out if I can. They felt for what I'm looking for I'd definitely appreciate the range more than the air suspension. She talked to her manager, who said from what he's heard Tesla does plan to still build these cars by the end of the year. Going to hold out!�
Jul 26, 2016
rcv123 Terthen: I am celebrating the 24 month anniversary of reserving X, and 8 month anniversary of ordering 5 seat coil 75 w/autopillot...DS still tells me to plan on 2016 delivery for 2016 tax credits....FWIW....now, if we got upgraded autopilot hardware, that would be a consolation...�
1/1/2015
guest I just discovered this thread and joined... for you experts out there ---
My order for a 75 D 5 seat configuration with coils was confirmed on Dec 29, 2015. What is the best guess on VIN or delivery?
Thanks!
RCV�
Jul 29, 2016
beths11 @rcv123 Welcome!�
Jul 29, 2016
BuddyFunJet I have the same ordered in blue.
I was offered faster delivery if I switched to SAS but at full price. Declined change.�
Jul 30, 2016
Scoopup I am not an expert but I am in the same boat. What I am hearing the best case is October to early 2017.�
Jul 30, 2016
rcv123
Mine is blue too! It's going to be a beauty!�
Jul 30, 2016
Rafikki I had ordered a 5 seater with coils in June before I knew how bad the wait would be, I need the car before the end of the year (We have our second child coming in January and I need a bigger car) so I just spoke with my DS and upgraded to a 6 seater with SAS to try and guarantee I could get the car before the new baby comes. I hope that Tesla can make it happen.�
Jul 31, 2016
jsollender @Rafikki the song title is "another one bites the dust"
Many of us 5 seat orderers jumped ship to 6 or 7 seats. I did the jump on 6/9, received VIN within 24 hours and took delivery of my 6 seater 7/21, a 90D, no PUP, nothing exotic. The production line is fast enough that you should take delivery in about 6 weeks in AZ. It's all a matter of personal threshold for when you want car and what you are willing to pay to move the process faster than initially expected because the process has been slower than initially expected. The steadfast 5 seat crowd might get mad at you for leaping off the 5 seat train, but in the end, you will have a fantastic car sooner than they will. Worst case scenario.....keep the 3rd row seats permanently folded, which is ultimately what the 5 seat version will look like if TM does concede and make a few hundred to satisfy those who refuse to upgrade. Smart choice man, smart choice....�
Jul 31, 2016
Rafikki @jsollender thanks for the info, that makes me feel much better about my choice. Ultimately, it came down to what was the best decision for my family. Additionally, with the six seater, I can carry both of my kids and both of my parents (they're at my house all the time). I wonder if Tesla is going to do to the 5 seater what they ultimately did to the 40kwh Model S when they discontinued it due to "low demand" (how much of that low demand was created by Tesla pushing their customers to upgrade?).�
Aug 1, 2016
ccutrer Hmm, a 7 seater with the 3rd row software locked down. Interesting concept�
Aug 1, 2016
jsollender ...meaning the car is truly built with 7 seats, but HQ locked to 5 on the last row, which is upgradable to 7 by Amex/Visa/MC/Discover/Bank Transfer? Very interesting. Maybe someone from HQ happening across this solution in the forums will have a flash of brilliance to solve the dilemma for TM...�
Aug 1, 2016
beths11 This is totally NOT a solve. I want the seats out of there and it doesn't make sense for Tesla to take the time or material to put something in the car (which materially takes space) only to make it inoperable. As creative as the folks as Tesla are I am sure this option was floated long ago. I do believe there is a market for a 5 seater which folds. Many reservations were not turned into orders because Tesla failed to stay true to the prototype in which all passenger seats folded flat. As another poster pointed out, 5 seat demand has been reduced by Tesla "making deals" with those you had a 5 seat option ordered, but were willing to switch to get the car earlier. It is difficult to really know what the demand is until the 5 seat version is released.�
Aug 1, 2016
ccutrer Oh, I agree, it's a terrible idea, I only mentioned it as a joke.
As for folding seats, it totally depends on what you're using the vehicle for. My X went into the service center today, and they gave me an Audi Q7 rental (I have 4 kids, and we wouldn't fit in an S). The rear seat legroom and in general access to the third row was absolutely awful compared to a Model X. I LOVE that I can keep car seats installed in the second row of my X, and still have access to the third row. But if instead you're looking for a "stuff" hauler, and not a kid hauler, the Model X really dissappoints without that folding second row.�
Aug 2, 2016
bonaire Before reveals, it was rumored that the third row seats were going to be optional. Now, they are required and seem to have removal of them becoming optional.
The best design would accommodate both. Third row seating should be customer removable if they need the extra utility room for transport of something. If the Model X is to be viewed as a true SUV, then it needs adaptable utility factors like removable 3rd row seating in order to transport a "beautiful credenza home from an antiquing trip" or "two newfoundland dogs home from a romp in the woods".�
Aug 22, 2016
rcv123 I got a call from my DS yesterday informing me of a promotion to switch from the 5 seat model to 6 or 7 with 1/2 off of both the cost of the seats (originally $3K for 6-seat, $4k for 7 seat) and cost of the air suspension ($2500) -- i.e., $3750 to upgrade to 6 seat model.
I had looked at the 6 seat model 2 weeks ago at local showroom but worried that my labrador retriever (Bailey) would not be safe in the back cargo area on a sudden stop due to the absence of 3 middle seats. Bailey was the reason I didn't originally feel that I needed the 3rd row of seats (kids are grown). I took Bailey out to "test drive" the cargo area with the rear seats folded down -- he had plenty of room. I have a universal gate/barrier from an earlier vehicle which actually sits nicely behind the two middle seats while providing enough height to block the opening from the back cargo area to the open area between the second row seats. So, I upgraded.
I am told that I will hear by the end of the week where I will now be in the production queue, with an understanding that my X might be delivered by the end of September. The alternative would be the still uncertain "perhaps the end of 2016" target date.
I'm happy with this decision, not so much due to the earlier delivery as to the fact that I actually believe the 6-seat model is nice and I got it at a reduced price compared to what it would have cost when originally configured.
Ta da!�
Aug 22, 2016
bonaire A design for utility would allow the third row to be customer removable. But if it is hard wired and merged with the frame for rigidity, then it must not be possible with this design. Some think 5-seat may never be made.�
Aug 22, 2016
Merrill We have a Great Dane and we put a dog blanket between the two second row seats and she fit just fine. We also put a dog blanket in the cargo area if she want to sit there.�
Aug 22, 2016
ccutrer Wow, cranking up the heat. Tesla really wants to gets some sales now rather than later (or never, if a 5 seat X becomes the new 40 kWh Model S).�
Aug 22, 2016
Irwin When die you order your MX 5 seat? Is it a 60D, 75D or 90D?�
Aug 23, 2016
Scoopup I am ready to do the same but I didn't get a call. I just asked about the upgrade 2 weeks ago and I was told it was not available. Who should I contact?�
Aug 23, 2016
GoTzillaR ($3000+$2500)/2 = $2750. Is it a typo or you need to pay additional fee?�
Aug 23, 2016
DougH Shoulda kept this offer to yourself, it's gonna annoy people that are not getting the same offer.�
Aug 23, 2016
Scoopup I agree�
Aug 23, 2016
rcv123 I placed my order officially on December 29, 2015. It was for a 70 D, 5-seat that got automatically upgraded to 75 D this spring.�
Aug 23, 2016
rcv123 There has been plenty to be annoyed about in Tesla's disingenuous first-come, first-serve $5K waiting list process and subsequent production priority process, so any criticism is displaced.
I've also been aggravated by the delay...my objective was only to alert folks like me who are still waiting for the still uncertain 5-seat model so that they might also wish to re-consider their options with this price reduction promotion.�
Aug 23, 2016
DougH I called, there is no promotion. You were offered a special deal that most will not get. Some may, but most will not.�
Aug 23, 2016
Scoopup I ordered mine early Jan 2. Called and l can't get the same deal. I have no idea what they are trying to do. It has been one disappointment after another.�
Aug 24, 2016
rcv123 Sorry to add to the collective pain! I'm in Seattle...maybe they see us as a priority market. My original waitlist # was ~ 10,700. I just got a VIN # that is xxx18794. Maybe they took pity on me since I complained about the phony wait list!�
Aug 24, 2016
masam I just took up the 50% off on air suspension two days ago and got a vin yesterday that's 34 below yours. Originally ordered a 7 seat, coil, non-pup, 75d April 1st�
Aug 25, 2016
InderMX I called my DS and asked for upgrade my MX 5 seat to 6 seat. He agreed to provide the same at 50% off for both seat and Smart Air Suspension for 2750 additional. Upgraded yesterday and today got my VIN # 189xx. He mentioned Oct Delivery. deal is till on, just have to ask politely to DS.�
Aug 25, 2016
DougH I asked about the 50% deal and was told no, I am glad because I bought a FULLY loaded Inventory 90 for the same price with only 2K on the odo.�
Aug 25, 2016
jsollender They continue to whittle down the 5 seaters till there remains only a handful so they can justify cancellation of all remaining 5 seat orders due to "lack of interest"�
Aug 26, 2016
vandacca How does one rate a post like that?
I agree with what you're saying, but I don't want to "Like" it.
"Dislike" doesn't seem appropriate either.
I definitely don't "Love" that position,
And I certainly don't think it's "Funny"...arg...�
Aug 26, 2016
AnxietyRanger I hope you were joking. IMO it is exactly this kind of information that makes a forum like TMC so valuable. It helps fellow members seek similar deals - even if not all get them, it is useful information that such things are being offered somewhere.
I doubt that, though I agree Tesla is probably trying to push people into the six seater with air suspension. Not because five seater is not coming, but because they want a sale now, instead of a few quarters down the road.
I see two likely, distinct possibilities for the five seater and being cancelled is not one of them (though that is not impossible, of course, but I consider it unlikely). The likely options IMO are:
1) A folding five seater design that is a major departure from the current mono-post second row, perhaps with fixed seating position. This might be plausible especially if getting approval for in-seat seatbelts is hard in the U.S. and they'd have to design a five-seater that has different attachment points for the seatbelts on the walls behind the falcon wings.
or
2) An exhaustive overhaul of the entire rear seating system that also includes re-designed second (and possibly third) rows, including the five seater suitable variant and folding seats for the second row in all configurations. Perhaps work that has been on-going since the launch that they had to do with a compromise solution in the rear.
Both scenarios require considerable re-design, crash testing, subject to all kinds of issues and delays etc... and also they require exhausting any current/impending stock for the current seating design. With Model X assumedly ramping up/selling slower than expected, perhaps they are (exucse the pun) on a ton of these old seats still and that is a contributing factor.
At least I ordered my Model X Signature fully expecting the rear seating to become the "old version" at some point. I am not even necessarily expecting any kind of retrofittability, because it is possible Tesla has to make major changes to the seating to allow folding/in-seat seatbelts...�
Aug 26, 2016
Harry C Same offer here and i also took the bait�
Aug 26, 2016
Scoopup Same offer here, and I took the bait. Reserved August 2014...delivery maybe end of Sept/beginning of Oct....I GOT A VIN!! who hoo!�
Aug 26, 2016
rcv123 Same offer here, and I took the bait.�
Aug 26, 2016
Scoopup
I feel better now!�
Aug 26, 2016
beths11 Pretty sure all you have to do is call. Just weird i asked last week and they said no.�
Aug 26, 2016
xcat Perhaps we should start a new thread "can't wait for a five seat car so I've upgraded" because that's what you are discussing, not
"Any guesses when MX 75D, 5 Seat, Coil..."
Sorry if I am cranky, I have been waiting a while for a 5 seat, refuse to upgrade and have a bit more to wait.
Thanks for being good natured about my snippiness.�
Aug 26, 2016
vandacca Well. Why do you need falcon doors? To get to the 3rd row.
My theory is that the 5 seater/coil will be a more economical option redesigned w standard doors and possible a regular windshield. Bets anyone?�
1/1/2015
guest I'd take that bet in a heartbeat. Any vehicle that doesn't have the falcon doors is not an X, it will be a completely redesigned vehicle from the ground up. If you ever looked at an X, you'll understand that those doors are a major characteristic of the design that can't simply be replaced with standard doors.�
Aug 26, 2016
ohmman Wait a second, is this the situation where I sit down in first class on the airplane and someone sits next to me and says "hey, did you get that $100 flight deal, too?!"�
Aug 27, 2016
bonaire Regarding the idea that they would get a sale in Q3 over Q4 - what is Q4 going to look like if the entire MX backlog i
I wouldn't take that bet. Great theory and another "lever" that shouldn't be hard to pull. removing the FWD makes me think it might be given a different name for uniqueness. Either call it the Model Y (leg removed from an X) or maybe Model V (two legs remove from X shape). Gets them to using the name "Y" faster. Lot of stamping changes needed to do a new design, however, and if the order quantity isn't high or customers are not asking for it, it wouldn't make sense unless priced the same as the S designs. A 60 Model Y with regular doors would price nicely to compete with high-end Honda Pilot or other similar SUVs. More mainstream. To get sales, mainstream is key.�
Aug 27, 2016
jsollender Not trying to be snippy Beth but my post was meant to convey my honest thoughts. I truly ask out loud "how many folks are left who won't take 'the deal' and what is TM gonna do with you hand full of people?"
I hope I'm wrong but think TM will try some tactic to appease you, which WILL NOT include building a 5 seater. Look at it economically. Why design, test, certify, build a few dozen (hundred possibly) vehicles if they can find other more profitable ways to deliver a more standard MX? Please don't shoot me, just either agree or disagree with my emotionless analysis�
Aug 27, 2016
xcat I equate the door conversation effort to a manufacturer releasing a convertible option vehicle. By the time the 5 seater is out a full model year will elapse. The cost reduction implication would benefit a new large class of people with access to the vehicle and keep the order pipeline full.
Hey. I'm surprised the 60D is out so soon. It makes me think they're attempting to reach more masses by being increasingly creative.�
Aug 27, 2016
beths11 I'm sorry if I called you snippy. I will say I have heard your analysis (really an opinion, like mine, as neither of us quote actually studies or market research) at least 6 or 7 times. I think you and I are firmly entrenched in our positions. You, in order to validate your decision to move from a 5 seat car to a 6/7, and me, to validate my decision to stick with a 5 seat. You don't believe Tesla sees a large market for an SUV in which all seats fold, I believe they realize they missed the boat not providing a seating configuration which is standard in the industry. Human nature, we will just have to wait and see.
Can we agree we have expressed our emotionless analysis(opinions) enough and have a gentle-persons bet, for bragging rights, come March of 2017?�
Aug 31, 2016
jsollender Sorry been really busy this week, but gentleman's/gentlelady bet is in Beth. I hope you win for your steadfast view!�
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