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Autopilot 2.0 hardware rumored this year on EyeQ3, article link enclosed - 8 cameras! part 1

  • Nov 3, 2015
    calisnow
    There goes my $2,000 referral discount and $2,500 California EV credit - but if waiting 6 more months means buying a car with all the hardware necessary for much more capable autonomous driving for the next decade then I'll just have to wait.

    Seriously - Elon doesn't stand still long enough for anyone to catch their breath.

    Supplier hints at next generation Autopilot hardware for Tesla as soon as this year | Electrek

    "But Aviram said that some customers were pushing the company for more applications:
    �The appetite of the OEMs we work with is growing and the first application is going to be much wider than what we planned. We see acceleration of the development and needs of our customers to present much more sophisticated systems.�
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    The CEO described the �more sophisticated system� saying that one OEM is already implementing it in a vehicle:
    �Today we are already preparing with one of the OEM, a first vehicle based on 8 cameras, one radar and ultrasonic around the vehicle. So this is much wider implementation of the first introduction of semi-autonomous driving and the trifocal is going to be here as we planned, but additional 4 cameras around the vehicle and one camera looking back. The system will run on 5 EyeQ3 chips and all of them will be connected.�
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    Aviram didn�t disclose which automaker is testing the system, but he hinted it could find its way into a commercial product as soon as this year and we know that Tesla has been testing a similar hardware suite."
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    J1mbo
    More likely the OEM is Mercedes imo
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    Soolim
    Bring it on Tesla. I will gladly pay for more cameras.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    yobigd20
    oh boy. can't wait to hear all the whining from all the pissed off owners that just picked there car that's suddenly outdated again.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    tstafford
    No, no. We've learned that just because the hardware is there and ready doesn't mean the software is!!
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    rcarpen22
    I guarantee that this rumor is true because I just ordered my car. My guess is that it will start being packed into new builds the day after my car is produced, which will be sometime in early December. You're welcome:) Seriously though, even if this was confirmed before my order finalizes, I wouldn't cancel. Autopilot 1.0 is more than adequate for me. Every day that goes by that I either drive my diesel tank or ride the commuter bus, I lose a little more of my soul. Can't wait to get my car!!!
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    sitter_k
    Sensors first then 1yr later they are operational.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    yobigd20
    operational but buggy, you want non-buggy? that's another year.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    Max*
    Are they able to do Level 3 autonomous with 5 EyeQ3 chips? I was under the impression that you need EyeQ4 for that.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    krnshh
    Just listening in to Mobileye's conference call now. They pretty much invariably confirmed that Tesla is next to have the 8 camera system and that will help enable full autonomous driving. So next up will be a hardware upgrade to 8 camera system and then software updates all the way.

    On Deep learning and Auto pilot is self improving. Mobileye is not part of the self learning. Mobileye have their own massive database that builds on a wider scope of scenes, scenarios and geographical roads and is much bigger than Tesla's. They have data from all automakers as opposed to Tesla.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    Cattledog
    Maybe this is why Model X launch is delayed, they are trying to hide 7 more cameras into the car somewhere.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    mn4az
    The CEO described the �more sophisticated system� saying that one OEM is already implementing it in a vehicle:
    �Today we are already preparing with one of the OEM, a first vehicle based on 8 cameras, one radar and ultrasonic around the vehicle. So this is much wider implementation of the first introduction of semi-autonomous driving and the trifocal is going to be here as we planned, but additional 4 cameras around the vehicle and one camera looking back. The system will run on 5 EyeQ3 chips and all of them will be connected.�
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    Aviram didn�t disclose which automaker is testing the system, but he hinted it could find its way into a commercial product as soon as this year and we know that Tesla has been testing a similar hardware suite.


    Oh boy.. I have 72 hours to decide if I want to push my production date of my 70d out until March/April before I am locked into December. What would you do?
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    Cosmacelf
    I would buy your car now. It will take a while to integrate 8 cameras...
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    Max*
    That depends. Does the Model S do everything you want it to do now? If so, hit order. If not, then wait for something SPECIFIC. If you're going to continue waiting for the latest and greatest, you'll never have a Model S. They improve the car weekly.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    Soolim
    Now I understand why Tesla did not use the Mobileye software, and chose to be a tier 1 partner. Tesla wants to deploy the deep learning. This will be the differentiator for good or bad. I hope for GOOD.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    Doug Darby
    Unless you are already driving a Tesla I would never delay the purchase based on how much I love driving mine.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    Max*
    It took them 1 year to integrate 1 camera (maybe 2 if we're using the rear one). So, let me break out the calculator, carry the 1, divide by 2, we're looking at roughly 4-8 years! ;)
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    Cosmacelf
    That would be about the only thing that would cause me to forgive Tesla for the delay...
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    Soolim
    I think it will be sooner than model 3. Therefore sometime in August 2018 give or take several months:wink:
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    Max*
    Elon, is that you?

    Though 3 years is a tight schedule, it's not out of the realm of possibility. I'd go for early 2020 for Tesla to get Level 3 Autonomous.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    Soolim
    Some X mules from several months ago had suspicious camera under the side mirror.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    Max*
    So did the Model S's, and I've already brought up the fact that Tesla's image of the Model X has dual cameras on the front (stereoscopic or short and long range).
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    Beryl
    Exciting news. My X is due in 2016 and I hope they add it to the new X builds. I'll buy any model with newer autonomous hardware. It doesn't matter if the software isn't ready as long as the current 7.0 autopilot features are supported.

    /subscribe
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    tstafford
    I think you'd need to figure out what exactly you want the car to do that it can't do now and then assess the likelihood of that happening "soon".

    Personally I wouldn't wait on owning a Tesla. I enjoy mine every day and part of the fun is wondering what new stuff they will come out with and whether or not that will make me want to upgrade. I've said this a few times - but Tesla's way of rolling out incremental improvements makes leasing a nice approach. You know your timeframes and costs. Albeit higher costs potentially but they get you some degree of certainty around your upgrade schedule and costs.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    Vitold
    I wonder how 5 Eye3Q work with 8 cameras:

    1 rear camera connected to Eye3Q
    2 side-rear cameras connected to Eye3Q
    2 side-front cameras connected to Eye3Q
    3 tri-focal front cameras connected to Eye3Q

    Above leaves one Eye3Q processor without a camera - perhaps it would be used to interface with other Eye3Q and the car.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    donv
    Seems reasonable, especially since I pick up my new 85D tomorrow!
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    sillydriver
    I suspect two of the side cameras are on the side mirror mounts pointing toward the rear and replacing side mirror functionality. The other two side cameras are probably fish-eyes that point straight out the sides.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    AB4EJ
    Waiting for additional features in a Tesla will be like waiting for additional features in a smartphone. The product will continuously improve, and the old hardware often will not support the new software features. At some point, you have to throw a stake in the ground and say, "this car has what I want," and buy one, knowing that in a year or two, you'll want the new stuff. Maybe this is just the 21st century version of "planned obsolescence." This might not appeal to people who have a firm policy of buying a car and driving it until the wheels fall off. However, all the manufacturers are doing this to some extent; simply compare the available features in practically any car to the same model from 5 or 10 years ago, and you can see it. I bought a couple of 2006 model vehicles, and since then the list of new things is astounding: keyless ignition, rearview cameras, bluetooth integration, etc., etc., have become very common. You just notice this more in a Tesla because (1) the car is so expensive, and (2) the things that Tesla is adding are so much more advanced and dramatic than the incremental improvements we are accustomed to with most car brands.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    calisnow
    Exactly. I'm a buy-expensive-car-and-drive-til-wheels-fall-off person - this rate of progress is difficult to stomach! My last 10 years steed has been a 2004 E55 AMG Benz super sedan - which is no longer very "super" compared with Tesla lol. But it at least was uber powerful and uber luxurious - and technology was basically stable.

    But at the rate Elon is innovating the 2024 Model S will have vertical takeoff and landing features and warp drive! But seriously I would not be surprised if the 2024 Model S can be had with no steering wheel and reclining rear lounge seats which do let you legally and safely go to sleep and wake up at your destination. Even two years ago I would have scoffed at the notion but now I'm not so sure.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    MarkS22
    EyeQ4 has two additional types of vector processors and support for 8 camera inputs on its own. Since engineering samples are coming out around now, I wouldn't be surprised to see Tesla use five EyeQ3s with eight cameras relatively soon and then upgrade to EyeQ4 when they're available in 2018. Ideally, it would be upgradable since all the wiring would be in place. However, the camera improvements we'll see in the next 2-3 years will be substantial so that could be a problem.

    No matter what, we're still looking at about 2017 for city Autopilot driving and at least 2018 for the most basic autonomous. Look how long it took to get a beta of Autosteer. The big question is whether Tesla can put together a sensor suite in the next year than can handle the autonomous software released in 2018-2019.

    I don't think any cars rolling off the line in the next year or so will be substantially closer to autonomous than current Autopilot in the next two years. This is one of the reasons I lease. :)
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    Max*
    I don't understand. Are you saying that city autonomous driving is EASIER than highway autonomous? :confused:
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    calisnow
    I'm moving closer to that decision myself.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    MarkS22
    Whoops. I meant city Autopilot-like functionality in the city around 2017 and true basic autonomous at least 2018. You need to put your "Autopilot != Autonomous" in bold. ;)

    These dates were based on comments from the CTO of Mobileye, Musk, and others.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    crmatson
  • Nov 3, 2015
    mn4az
    Lots of things lining up for the newer Mobile Eye hardware.

    https://youtu.be/0UzVBTgHqSQ?t=839

    �By 2016 there�s going to be new launches by GM and Tesla as well� - Amnon Shashua of Mobil Eye on March 23, 2015

    Supplier hints at next generation Autopilot hardware for Tesla as soon as this year | Electrek
    The CEO described the �more sophisticated system� saying that one OEM is already implementing it in a vehicle:
    �Today we are already preparing with one of the OEM, a first vehicle based on 8 cameras, one radar and ultrasonic around the vehicle. So this is much wider implementation of the first introduction of semi-autonomous driving and the trifocal is going to be here as we planned, but additional 4 cameras around the vehicle and one camera looking back. The system will run on 5 EyeQ3 chips and all of them will be connected.� Aviram didn�t disclose which automaker is testing the system, but he hinted it could find its way into a commercial product as soon as this year and we know that Tesla has been testing a similar hardware suite."

    Mobile Eye�s Q3 Conference Call from this morning (11/3).

    They pretty much confirmed that Tesla will very shortly have the next gen Mobil Eye hardware in Tesla�s automobiles
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    drivemeh
    Such a hardware suite would add $10k to the price of the car (a little more than half of it is cost), and it would hamper the performance and mileage of the car by 10%-20%. Not to mention when launched it will be far from perfect and will require as much attention on autopilot 2.0 as autopilot 1.0 requires. It launches as a tool, not a take-over. Still awesome though. I doubt the timeframe because Musk is always bad with this type of thing, but it is technically possible. The problem though is that we have yet to see Tesla research mules in the city taking intersection after intersection so they still either have to build the 5 eyeq3 prototype or if it is built collect the data required before moving on to the next step. While they have plenty of data from behind and in front, Tesla has little data from side angles.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    AmpedRealtor
    The current version of MobilEye can use many more cameras than Tesla uses. Tesla can still update Autopilot to include additional cameras on the existing EyeQ3 platform. Mercedes' current version of Autopilot uses at least 6-8 cameras already and has been in production for a while.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    mn4az
    I need some clarification. Is the current hardware based on the EyeQ3 platform?
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    Discoducky

    Do you happen to know what micro runs the computer vision alg's on the Merc system?
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    calisnow
    Yes it is. From what I understand you think of EyeQ3 as a "brain" - it's a SOC - system on a chip. Current Autopilot uses the EyeQ3 - and a single EyeQ3 is capable of accepting input from multiple cameras (how many, I do not know). But now reports say a new system is coming soon using five EyeQ3 "brains" linked together processing input from a total of 8 cameras processing a 360 degree view of the world around the car.

    The *next* generation of "brain" after EyeQ3 is called EyeQ4. The CEO of Mobileye says that a single EyeQ4 brain will be capable of handling the input from multiple cameras which today requires multiple linked EyeQ3's. EyeQ4 will reportedly be in vehicles around 2018.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    Gizmotoy
    Those seem like some mighty fine made up numbers! According to most research, the average unit cost of an EyeQ3 is $44. To get to 5 you need 4 more, so that's ~$100. It's going to be hard to get to $10k from there with 6 additional cameras, two of which are likely integrated into the front unit and share an assembly.

    The performance and efficiency reduction seems even more unlikely. How do you get to a 20% performance and range reduction from a couple cameras and circuit boards?
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    calisnow
    He's wrong. Mobileye's executives claimed in this morning's Q3 earnings conference call that fleet operators have seen a 7-12% INCREASE in fuel efficiency because operators drive more smoothly and carefully with less acceleration and braking (which, they noted, results in a 100% ROI of the cost of the Mobileye hardware in less than a year of use). They said they do not have data yet from people like Tesla to report if Autopilot is also resulting in more efficient driving, but that they strongly suspect it does.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    AmpedRealtor
    I've heard rumors of a major refresh in the spring.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    mn4az
    Transcript of the call is here: http://seekingalpha.com/article/3639186-mobileyes-mbly-ceo-ziv-aviram-on-q3-2015-results-earnings-call-transcript


    Snips that I found useful/interesting
    Recently, we launched our first deep learning functions on Tesla auto pilot feature. These capabilities include semantic free-space which uses every pixel in the scene to help us understand where are the curves, barriers, [indiscernible] drills, moving objects and anything that is not part of the driving path.

    Once we know the free-space, the big challenge is where to locate the vehicle in this free-space. We saw this with the holistic path prediction, which uses the context of the road to determine exactly where the car should go at all the time.

    Both of these new capabilities push the envelope of scene interpretation by lips and bones, and their fundamental elements for semi-autonomous driving. As we said, these capabilities are already implemented and will be implemented in the future semi-autonomous launches, including in 2016 by two of our OEM customers.

    The Tesla auto pilot feature is currently using a mono camera sensor for performing the most important understanding of the scene the visual interpretation. Our multiple camera sensor configuration launches our planned to begin as early as next year.

    We are on track with four launches of the front-sensing trifocal camera configuration to support highly autonomous driving. And we are on track with two launches of an eight camera 360 degree awareness system design to support fully autonomous driving. And all the above, our plan for the 2016 to 2019 timeframe as will occur in parallel rather than one following the other.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    calisnow
    Tip for anyone trying to read the transcript - Seeking Alpha wants you to register to get past page 2. Just go to your URL bar and change the number of the page at the end of the link from "2" to "3" and then "4" etc. and the following pages will load just fine.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    PunchIT
    You can delay your production! Talk to your DS.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    wdolson
    I don't exactly buy ultra-luxurious cars, but I do drive them forever. My current car is a 1992 Buick I bought new.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    MarkS22
    The article from Electrek noted the CEO of Mobileye said:

    "Today we are already preparing with one of the OEM, a first vehicle based on 8 cameras, one radar and ultrasonic around the vehicle. So this is much wider implementation of the first introduction of semi-autonomous driving and the trifocal is going to be here as we planned, but additional 4 cameras around the vehicle and one camera looking back. The system will run on 5 EyeQ3 chips and all of them will be connected."

    And today, on the earnings call, he revealed (via Seeking Alpha transcript):

    "We confirm that our technology is supporting to camera processing showcase by Nissan�s Intelligent Driving Prototype Car at the recent Tokyo Motor Show. It is managed by an eight camera system as shown in pictures released by the media and the processing is powered by multiple EyeQ3 chips."

    So, I think that "this year" was the Nissan, but Tesla could have an upgrade in the next year:

    "And we are on track with two launches of an eight camera 360-degree awareness system design to support fully autonomous driving. And all the above, our plan for the 2016 to 2019 timeframe as will occur in parallel rather than one following the other."

    Note there is some flexibility on that timeline (2016-2019). But later, he continues about Tesla and "Autopilot":

    "What we presented is Lane Keeping Assist system rather than auto pilot system. Autopilot system is going to be presented next year, where it's going to be 360 degrees coverage around the vehicle and is going to be multiple cameras with additional sensors. What we have today is just a mono camera looking forward. So, it�s a very limited input that we have on the road."

    So, it does look like a new sensor suite could be coming "next year." He didn't specifically say Tesla, but it was in reference to Tesla's Autopilot. His use of "presented" also confuses things a bit. ("Presented" meaning delivered to consumers or presented to the OEM?) I don't think that means in the next couple months or "as soon as this year" for Tesla. I wouldn't hold off buying a car now, but I would be prepared for the usual incremental improvements. Of course, like Autopilot 1.0, we might not even see these functions activated until 2017.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    rcarpen22
    I don't think I can wait any longer:) That 120 mile round-trip daily commute is getting to me.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    mn4az
    Based on this I don't think it's Nissan.

    http://europe.autonews.com/article/20151027/BLOG15/151029866/nissan-makes-autonomous-driving-look-easy


    "The prototypes have been on the road for about three months and have already been driven accident-free for about 965km (600 miles). Iijima said Nissan will expand its fleet of autonomous test vehicles to test more cars in Japan and will begin tests Europe and the U.S. within two years."
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    MarkS22
    Well, I was quoting the CEO in an earnings call. The article you linked to even says Mobileye was involved:

    "Nissan did much of the work on the prototypes in-house with Nvidia and Advanced Scientific Concepts, both based in California, and Israel's Mobileye, as key contributors."

    Are you suggesting the CEO meant another car would have eight-cameras on multiple EyeQ3s this year?
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    calisnow
    MarkS22 - personally I can only speculate. But in addition to the earnings call with Mobileye today there was also a presentation in September, reported on yesterday. The Citi 2015 Global Technology Conference. As reported by electrek.co here: Supplier hints at next generation Autopilot hardware for Tesla as soon as this year | Electrek

    But Aviram said that some customers were pushing the company for more applications:
    �The appetite of the OEMs we work with is growing and the first application is going to be much wider than what we planned. We see acceleration of the development and needs of our customers to present much more sophisticated systems.�
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    The CEO described the �more sophisticated system� saying that one OEM is already implementing it in a vehicle:
    �Today we are already preparing with one of the OEM, a first vehicle based on 8 cameras, one radar and ultrasonic around the vehicle. So this is much wider implementation of the first introduction of semi-autonomous driving and the trifocal is going to be here as we planned, but additional 4 cameras around the vehicle and one camera looking back. The system will run on 5 EyeQ3 chips and all of them will be connected.�
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    Aviram didn�t disclose which automaker is testing the system, but he said during a recent conference that Tesla is willing to push the envelope �faster and more aggressively than any other OEM�. He also hinted that the new system could find its way into a commercial product as soon as this year and we know that Tesla has been testing a similar hardware suite.
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  • Nov 3, 2015
    MarkS22
    Yeah, my point was the CEO's comment in September stated: "Today we are already preparing with one of the OEM, a first vehicle based on 8 cameras, one radar and ultrasonic around the vehicle ... The system will run on 5 EyeQ3 chips and all of them will be connected."

    And then today, the CEO says: "We confirm that our technology is supporting to camera processing showcase by Nissan�s Intelligent Driving Prototype Car at the recent Tokyo Motor Show. It is managed by an eight camera system as shown in pictures released by the media and the processing is powered by multiple EyeQ3 chips."

    Make no mistake, I think Tesla will eventually release an eight-camera system (with a trifocal front camera array, plus radar and ultrasonics for redundancy) running off either multiple EyeQ3s and eventually the EyeQ4. I'm only suggesting, based on the comment today, that Nissan may be the one using the eight-camera setup this year.
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  • Nov 4, 2015
    sillydriver
    I wonder about this in Tesla's case because AP uses TACC, which holds speed constant. As the road goes up and down hills, TACC puts in considerably more power to hold speed going uphill, and regenerates to hold speed going down. An efficient human would let the speed of the car drop going uphill and rise going down, to smooth power consumption. Or maybe I'm overstating this because, living in the Virginia piedmont, I'm constantly driving up and down hills!
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  • Nov 4, 2015
    chriSharek
    So, if I've ordered my MS, it hadn't entered the production queue yet, but had pushed out the Delivery to April of 2016, will it come with whatever the lastest hardware being installed on the cars at the time of production? I would think so . . .
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  • Nov 4, 2015
    mn4az
    I was told the following: "Of course, if we were to releasea new package leading up with your vehicle build date, you would be able to optinto the new features."

    #ToPush or #NotToPush that is the question
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  • Nov 4, 2015
    PunchIT
    Yes, that's correct!
    But how were you able to push delivery almost a year later??
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  • Nov 4, 2015
    chriSharek
    I begged and pleaded - due a lot to my local involvement in EV events, starting a new business (selling EVSEs and other things), and waiting for my 15 year old to be able to drive. But, mostly because I begged and pleaded.
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  • Nov 4, 2015
    mn4az
    chriSharek... Seems you are a similar spot as me. I put in the order in and will likely choose to have it delivered in the April/May 2016 timeframe and hope the rumors are correct in that the additional cameras will be included (or available for purchase) at that time.
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  • Nov 4, 2015
    wdolson
    Sounds to me like there should be an option for trying to keep the same speed or optimize for best efficiency. Hills are pretty common in the west coast states. I-5, the main N-S artery has two passed over 4000 feet and I've lived in a number of places from Los Angeles to Seattle and always on a hill (and I've never sought out someplace that was on a hill, it just happened).
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  • Nov 4, 2015
    Canuck
    Auto pilot 2.0 and no nose cone (hopefully) will definitely make me upgrade. I really want 1.0 but with my luck if I upgrade now, the next car rolling off the line after mine will have 2.0.
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  • Nov 5, 2015
    rjb1101
    This is why I leased the vehicle, that way if I think the improvements in 3 years are worth buying, I don't have to sell my MS.
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  • Nov 5, 2015
    Zybane
    From reading the transcripts, it seems like Autopilot 2.0 hardware could hit sometime in 2016, but nothing hints at early 2016.
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  • Nov 5, 2015
    PunchIT
    I have feeling that Autopilot 2.0 is already in Model X. There's the stereo camera and then parking sensor pucks are missing.
    Please chime in your thoughts.
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  • Nov 5, 2015
    Stoneymonster
    There is no stereo camera on the cars we've seen delivered (albeit just the 6 founders cars).
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  • Nov 5, 2015
    andrewket
    I think they had planned to release ap2 with the X, but then didn't for whatever reason. My guess is in May or so we'll 2.0 in the X and the S at the same time.
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  • Nov 5, 2015
    shokunin
    I'm pretty sure the X still has parking sensors, they're just lower on the bumper rather being near the center on the model S.
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  • Nov 10, 2015
    Skyboy102
    Well they would have data from all automakers if the cars were connected to the Internet for uploads which most are not. Go Tesla
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  • Nov 10, 2015
    Soolim
    I like your crystal ball:wink: But you did not say which year (2016?).
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  • Jan 11, 2016
    mn4az
  • Jan 11, 2016
    ElectricTundra
    What was that mumbling of his at the end of the sentence? "so don't hold off on your S & X purchases waiting on..." ?
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  • Jan 11, 2016
    theslimshadyist
    If he wants to sell more vehicles sooner he needs to learn to keep his mouth shut.
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  • Jan 11, 2016
    Screwbal
    Personally I actually enjoy driving for driving so not having this no biggie. I didn't order AP on mine and will probably never upgrade it either. Not having summon and crap in 3+ years when it's actually out may drop my resale value but what on earth would I sell my car for outside of another Tesla but I already own one :)
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  • Jan 11, 2016
    MarkS22
    And we know "Elon Time" is usually longer than expected. Now he says "it will be some time before that enters production." Can we put this imminent 8-camera multiple-EyeQ3 rumor to bed for a few months at least? :smile:
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  • Mar 17, 2016
    gjunky
    It has been a couple months... Now that there are a number of new Model Xes on the road and the model 3 will be shown soon, I wonder if an Autopilot 2.0 is getting nearer
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  • Mar 17, 2016
    calisnow
    Okay I gave you a couple months of silence - now I want to bring the rumor back out to play.
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  • Mar 17, 2016
    calisnow
    Here's my data-free speculation: the March 31 Model 3 unveiling will also contain some updates for Model S, but not AP 2.0 hardware - maybe ventilated seats, new nosecone and the 100 kwhr battery. However, at some point before the end of 2016 Tesla will introduce AP 2.0 hardware - in October it will have been 2 years since the introduction of AP 1.0 hardware, and MBZ is coming to market in June with the new E-class bristling with more cameras and radar.

    I have no idea if this will be the case, but there has been a lot of shuffling around of the AP team and I wonder if they are still at work trying to sort out / decide what, exactly, the hardware package will be for AP 2.0.

    Furthermore the current autopilot 1.0 behavior has gotten so good (at least I am consistently mind blown in my 70D) through its software iterations that I wouldn't be surprised if Tesla feels they have a bit of breathing room to take their time designing the next hardware version.
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  • Mar 17, 2016
    dlv1984
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  • Mar 17, 2016
    calisnow
    WOAH! That deserves its own thread.
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  • Mar 18, 2016
    Patrick W
    Don't know that I'd call it whining. In my case it'll just be resignation. Kind of like every time I buy a new iPhone, iPad or iMac I know that an even better one will be out in a few months.

    But on the up side for some, once the cars with the new system are out, those wanting to buy used Teslas will have a lot to choose from as owners trade in the old for the new.
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  • Mar 18, 2016
    zambono
    I believe that OEM was Audi
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  • Mar 18, 2016
    zambono
    By the way based on the images if that is a Tesla prototype I don't think it is anywhere near final product. More like initial testing, then they would have to figure out how to include all that hardware into the vehicle in a more coherent way that doesn't reduce functionality.
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  • Mar 18, 2016
    MarkS22
    Hah. Okay, I guess the Model 3 announcement warrants some AP speculation...
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  • Mar 18, 2016
    MarkS22
    Yeah, and with such an (ugly) odd position for what looks like LIDAR on the rear view mirror. That would mean an about face from Elon on trying to make the mirrors smaller and do Autopilot without LIDAR. Not impossible but odd.

    Most of what's shown are rails to quickly add equipment. Also, the poster confirmed the plate was not a manufacturer plate. To me, it looks like it's a 3rd party doing some testing. And like you said, that's not going into production any time soon.
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  • Mar 22, 2016
    sce2aux
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