Feb 26, 2015
philiparnason I'm slowly going crazy waiting for this vehicle. I'm an early sig in the 200s. Waiting this long for a car is simply unheard of and tests the limit of any person. I'm beginning to question whether I'm actually in some type of GroundHog-Day scenario where the car will never come, and I will be waiting for all eternity. I propose an action committee for those that have been following this vehicle for an excruciatingly long time, or just have mad interest. In this support group multiple positions are open:
* News Tidbit Stockpiling (Every bit of information no matter how small is parsed and relayed to other team members, live blogged)
* Spy - This is a lone post located primarily onsite in Freemont. This person will take the Tesla tour every single day and blog about the experience for benefit of the other team members. As you are there every day, Tesla employees will soon begin to think of you as a fellow employee, and may share additional Model X details. On days the tour is not offered, individual may follow the X transport vehicle to get more spy shots of off-site testing.
* Pub Congregation - The remaining can meet at surrounding pubs to lament the slow news day, explore the sanity levels of others, and invent new posts for the committee.
* Hardware Team - We all take turns in a modified roll cart. When it is your day, you get to ride in the roll cart, and when the words "Tesla: activate autopilot" are spoken by the "driver", the others will begin pushing you around, completely autonomously!
Philip�
Feb 26, 2015
dirkhh Someone remind me - how long did the early Sigs for the Roadster wait? How long for the Model S? Is the Model X really longer than that?�
Feb 26, 2015
ModelX I would love to join this support group! Unfortunately I can't take over any positions because I am too busy scouring this forum for a tidbit of information that I might have missed!�
Feb 26, 2015
eco5280 I found a reasonable solution in purchasing an S85D. I'm still pining after the Model X but I'm distracted greatly by the new car. I highly recommend this as an alternative to pulling your hair out.�
Feb 26, 2015
FlasherZ It *is* time to begin thinking about doing the necessary infrastructure work to support Model X, though... clean up your garage, paint the floors and walls, get your friendly neighborhood electrician out to get your prep work done for the wall connector / NEMA 14-50 install, contact your power company to ensure your transformer will be able to handle the load, etc. There are things you can do!�
Feb 26, 2015
eco5280 You have a long time to take care of that stuff. You'll have many months of notice before your X arrives. Probably enough time to BUILD a house and garage. I think it's foolish to do this now, you never know what the future holds. Just MyHumbleOpinion.�
Feb 26, 2015
bonnie Nothing about infiltrating Tesla's ranks and getting on the X team?
Amateurs.) )
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Feb 26, 2015
eco5280 Whoa. That's the best idea yet. I'm going incognito and need a fake resume and some references, stat. Also I need a ride to Fremont.�
Feb 26, 2015
FlasherZ Have you ever dealt with a power company's engineering team?�
Feb 26, 2015
wheresmyx? If patience is indeed a virtue, then I am also lacking! However, I consider myself fortunate to be in a good enough financial position to be able to purchase this car (res. <1,700). I made my reservation in November of 2012 and joked with the salesperson that I expected my Tesla stock to appreciate enough to pay for the X. (The stock back then was $28.) So I am upset with the multiple delays, but still thrilled with company! In the interim, I'm happy driving my Model X lite (Toyota RAV4 EV).�
Feb 26, 2015
NigelM Pfffft. Did all that two years ago.....�
Feb 26, 2015
AlMc My plan: I have started hormone injections and buying wigs. I am going to impersonate Bonnie. I know that will get me 'in'!:wink::biggrin:
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I have a Nema 15-40 for each garage bay and the Tesla 80 AMP charger ready and waiting as well. Probably is time to add on to the garage (my wife's idea: She says I can go sleep with the Teslas...hmmmm) Maybe it is the hormone injections.............�
Feb 26, 2015
kiefer Oh, you mean like this:
The garage has been designed to fit both our Models S and the upcoming Model X�
Feb 26, 2015
Lloyd I went a little overboard while waiting........ 5 X 14-50's installed, and 1 Tesla HPC (TS-70) @70 amps converted to J1772 connector, and a Tesla HPWC 80 amps, all at my house. I made a 50' 14-50 extension cord. I upgraded the solar to output enough for the extra car.
Then I installed an pay for EVSE at my office 70 amps. (EATON)
I installed two Tesla HPWC's at the airport where my Aircraft Charter clients park. One outputs 80 amps, and the other is limited to 64.�
Feb 26, 2015
bonnie I had the local power company check my distribution transformer before the party last summer & the verdict was I had more than enough capacity for all the charging anticipated ... A 240v/40amp and 240v/70amp ran continuously, plus the amp for the band, power for Solar City display, BBQ truck, lights, and all the mis stuff plugged in. Not even a flicker. I feel well-tested in advance on the X arrival.�
Feb 26, 2015
Bgarret Elon is single...where's our Mata Hari? Don't go to the storeroom, go to the boardroom. (speaking of Amateurs�
Feb 26, 2015
FlasherZ The St. Louis group is hosting a BBQ at my home later this year and I was doing some of the calculations to ensure that we had enough charging room for people who dropped by. 2xHPWC (80A) + a 14-50 + a 6-50 + a 6-30 should do, I think.�
Feb 26, 2015
eco5280 Why so many outlets?�
Feb 26, 2015
Lloyd For all my friends with Tesla's of course!
6 car garage and outfitted them all, plus one outside for guests.�
Feb 26, 2015
anticitizen13.7 If what I'm reading on Wikipedia is accurate, Tesla displayed the Model S prototype on March 26, 2009, and delivered the first production vehicles to customers on June 22, 2012. Total wait time was about 3 years, 3 months. However, keep in mind that the initial production ramp was very slow, so many customers were waiting additional months for their cars.
It's been about 3 years since the Model X prototype announcement.
Few people expected Model X to be this late, which may explain a % of the impatience. The X was supposed to be an "end of 2013" product� which slipped to "end of 2014"� and now stands at Q3 2015 for initial deliveries.�
Feb 26, 2015
Paul Carter +1... actually +1000. I was already pulling my hair out last May. Bonnie's words of having a Tesla while you wait certainly are true and seems plenty of us with a Tesla during the wait. Without it, I may have not been so patient. Nah, who am I kidding...
Us Canadians appear to have to wait a little longer. Read the Form 10-K / Annual Report today and found this at the top of Page 6.
I've put in bold, what I think hasn't been stated before. I know this was done for the S, but was hoping that this was going to be different for the X.
Now I need this support group more than ever or another glass of wine.�
Feb 26, 2015
bonnie If anyone but you had posted this, I'd be reminding them to make sure the distribution transformer could also handle the load ... but it's you.
That's a lot of power!
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I want to see a picture of seven cars plugged in and charging�
Feb 26, 2015
Lloyd I would too!! Bring-em on!! I have 400 amp service. if nothing else is on it should be possible!
The most I have had at one time is 4.�
Feb 27, 2015
NigelM If we're bragging (aka filling time waiting for X), I have a 100A HPWC, Clipper Creek HCS-40, 5 x Nema 14-50 outlets and a TT-30 outlet which charges just fine with an RV adapter. (Also with 400A incoming service). :tongue:�
Feb 27, 2015
Beryl /subscribed
I'm feeling for those of you who have been waiting for years. I've only been waiting for a couple of weeks so I'll be waiting for many months (years?) after you've taken delivery.
I'm test driving a P95D Monday and hoping I can resist.......�
Feb 27, 2015
Trnsl8r We're your friends...
When is bbq weekend? My invite got lost...
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That sounds like one of those "if you're reading this it's too late" bumper stickers.�
Feb 27, 2015
dirkhh And based on your profile pictures I'd say you also have a boat.�
Feb 27, 2015
FlasherZ I asked the operations mgr at the co-op how much he thought I could load it up with, and he said he could take almost anything I could throw at him while keeping the cars on the driveway.
While I have 400A service, the transformer is rated at 250V/150A, but he says it'll easily do double that (and my previous 10 kVA transformer will attest to that). Buried service conductors are reasonable up to about 300A as well, he says. I'll give him a run for his money.�
Feb 27, 2015
Nubo My name is Nubo and I am an X-aholic....�
Feb 27, 2015
O-G I tried this but was told by Tesla folks that they would not sell me a model S charger for the model X since it had not yet been certified for that car. I'm assuming that by the time the X comes out, we will have the self plug in charger available.�
Feb 27, 2015
Cosmacelf Interesting. This lends support to my theory that Tesla is going to unveil a new version of the UMC for the Model X.�
Feb 27, 2015
gjunky Hi Nubo :smile:�
Mar 2, 2015
Fanatic Put deposit down. The wait starts now!
Do I need to do the AA presentation, My username says it all, right?�
Mar 2, 2015
Paul Carter Congrats! It's been 1,117 days since my reservation. Yes I'm counting.
Care to give your # for the Tally? US reservations pace seems to be returning to a more historical rate after a few months of slowdowns.�
Mar 4, 2015
Beryl Made the obligatory request to be on the signature series wait list which we know will likely never be used much -- if at all.
Admiration to all of you who had the foresight to reserve early.�
Mar 6, 2015
goneskiian Hello, my name is Ian and it's been 637 days since my reservation.
I spend way too much time here and at teslamotors.com hunting for any bit of new information on the Model X.
Since I don't live close enough to be a spy I will be happy to be part of the Seattle area Hardware Team.�
Apr 4, 2015
O-G I went to the Double Black event in Seattle. For what it's worth, the head sales person there told me the production of the MX would begin in August. He seemed pretty confident of that but of course would not give any guarantee. He would not give any indication of a date for a reveal or if he even knew. It did surprise me a bit that he indicated that the ramp up would be fairly slow. I'm Sig #292 and he implied that I should be in the first 6-8 weeks of production. With dropouts considered, I would have thought that I would be in the first couple of weeks at most.�
Apr 4, 2015
dirkhh Based on the overall experience with the reliability of statements by "random Tesla person" (and this includes "head of sales in any region" and actually pretty much anyone not named Jerome or Elon) I wouldn't put too much faith in this...�
Apr 4, 2015
timf There's likely some truth to his statements. The last few times I've heard Elon discuss the Model X rollout, he has mentioned that there won't be significant volumes until Q4. Now, what constitutes significant volume is vague, but given Elon's typical over enthusiasm it likely means that only a very small number, say 100 or less, will be delivered in Q3. Given the delayed reveal and the state of the test vehicles we've seen, I think it's a good thing as those early deliveries will essentially be used as a final real-world validation and they'll want to keep the numbers limited should any unforeseen issues arise.�
Apr 5, 2015
Bgarret Since this is a support group, I feel OK with complete, unsubstantiated speculation...so here goes -
1. At April 30th announcement Elon announces a "Founders Delivery" for the 1st week of July.
2. At the July event, the X is unveiled and the configuration center is opened on the website (which is immediately crashed by all of us rushing online to configure our Model Xs.....over-and-over)
3. First North America Signature deliveries are mid-late August (in keeping with the fanciful nature of this speculation, Bonnie or Paul realize my birthday is in August and graciously switch reservation numbers with me :tongue
4. Tesla works to produce and deliver about 2,000 Signature Model X and show room models in Q3 in 8 weeks of production, (100, 100, 200, 200, 300, 300, 400, 400).
5. Tesla moves to more volume production in Q4, this includes Signatures for the rest of the world and the beginning of regular N. American Model X - total Q4 run is 6,000, or an average of about 500/wk (which combines with 12k of S production to meet full year guidance 10,030 Q1, 12,500 Q2, 15,000 Q3 - 13k/2k, and 18,000 Q4 12k/6k for 55,500 delivered in 2015.
6. Tesla exits 2015 at a 2,000/month run rate 1k/1k and I get my Model X (assuming Bonne or Paul don't swap me for theirs) on Groundhogs Day 2016, which allows me to relive the day over and over again a' la' Bill Murray.
Thats is my story...Happy Easter to all�
Apr 19, 2015
eric96k Man, this is exactly what I'm trying to sort out now....I just can't help but think that the $ isn't worth it...but man my sanity might be worth the money.�
Apr 25, 2015
hill From the back of the line - I count on as many as possible requesting their depisits back. That gets us that much closer to the front of the line.
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Apr 29, 2015
hill ..... snip.... that, as Mike Tyson used to say, is ludicrous power.
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May 21, 2015
Merrill I need help and support, it is going on 1 year and I want to be a 2 electric vehicle in the garage person. But having had Jaguars since 1970 I'm trying not to go to the dealer and look at the F Type R. Please keep me from doing this, I do not need a 2 seater sports car and especially one that requires gas.�
May 21, 2015
ModelX Merrill,
Don't break! You have made it this long!�
May 21, 2015
Merrill If I could just see a real in the flesh Model X. Maybe July.�
May 21, 2015
Paul Carter You're in the home stretch! Hang in there.. this is going to be one heck of a vehicle and will blow everyone's socks off!�
May 23, 2015
Gary and Rachel Hello, my name is Gary. It's been only 22 days since I placed my reservation. I was at the unveiling of the X the first night it showed in San Jose at the Santana Row showroom. So my wait has been long but sweet. I'll say that my idea was to not be the first but to wait for maybe some of the extras that might be added to the cars later production. Who knew 3 years ago about all the great things that are just now showing up in production. So maybe I will have held off enough to end up with hovering capabilities and 750 mile driving range. Yes, I need the group's help to keep me grounded and I am looking forward to reading the good humor that I have seen here today. I feel lucky to have found this forum only weeks after jumping into the pool. Hope to see you all at the Superchargers in a few years, save a few amps for me.�
May 24, 2015
Paul Carter Welcome to TMC! So glad you found us. This community is amazing and diverse.
I've been waiting a long time for this type of vehicle to show up. Can't wait to see what Telsa has in store for us! Exciting times.�
May 25, 2015
hill Good to have another Gary on the 'X' list. Welcome!�
May 26, 2015
Gary and Rachel Thank you Paul and Hill, I can see that it will feel like family here with everyone being like minded and willing to invest into something worthwhile. Since the last time here I found myself motivated in finding out more on what's for sure to be fully functional by the time I get my "X" and that's the new upgrade. I have only been in a P85 for a test ride at the factory. But the "D" and the latest upgrade I found I needed to drive again to see for myself. I have found i can rent a Tesla model P85D and will do so soon. To get a chance to drive over 500 miles should help to lock in that "I want one feeling". Meanwhile I am finding much on YouTube to see what life maybe like with one on the plug at home. Thanks for the warm welcome. Gary�
May 26, 2015
Paul Carter Careful, test drives will do that!�
Jul 20, 2015
Merrill So I have some friends that understand my obsession of owning no ICE cars and having two Teslas in my garage. Then there are some friends that give me this "Really" why question. I know that most people are not interested in cars for anything other than basic transportation, but for me having grown up with cars and having a career in the automotive field cars are way more than just transportation. The opportunity to own an all electric garage is fascinating, and my goal for the future. I really do not try to explain my reasoning behind my quest because I'm not sure most will understand. I think I have gone over the edge on this but in a good way. Looking forward to the Model X.�
Jul 21, 2015
adiggs Clearly Merrill, you need a Roadster. There are any number of us that rely on one as a coping mechanism, and I can attest to the quality of coping it provides.
As the car is no longer in production, you'll have to find one used. My reasonably unscientific observation is that there are usually a half dozen or so for sale around the country at any one time. Living in California, you'll have reasonable odds that you'll find one in your state. The key idea is to be thinking in terms of a country wide search rather than a local one, and there will be one out there with your name on it, should a 2 seater sports car be necessary to scratch that itch.�
Jul 27, 2015
lucy I only placed my order/reservation at the end of this January, and it seems like forever.
My coping mechanisms so far...
1. Installing photovotaic system to power the mythical MX and my tiny home. Loan money secured for system, awaiting final permits and installation. Until MX arrives, will be selling excess back to the local power monopoly for pennies.
2. Roaming the interwebs for EV/Tesla news.
3. Making shopping lists of MX add-ons (vinyl wrap, charge cords, light kits, etc)
4. Ordered vanity plates - hope the 1st choice comes through, it won't look too weird on my current car XSTATIC
5. Trying to stay off Amazon, saving every penny for the solar panel and car bills to come.
Any other suggestions?
You all have been a great distraction, so glad I finally came over from the more quiet Tesla.com forums to this entertaining group!�
Jul 28, 2015
Merrill Your doing all the right stuff, my only solace is that I can drive my Model S. Not sure what I would do if I did not have it. The wait is driving me crazy and my wife says I spend far to much time on this forum.�
Jul 28, 2015
lucy Thanks for the kind words, Merrill. I do like my current car, for all that he is a gas hog.
Omg, I might as well make these forums my home page! It seems like even the EV news sites get their poop from TMC, the fount of all knowledge.�
Jul 28, 2015
jbcarioca My spouse, having long since discovered my insane mode, regards both my Tesla P85D and this forum as continuing manifestations than my insanity is alive and healthy. That said, she does often raise the subject with 'civilians' before I do. She's quick. I don't have an X on order but she keeps asking me why we cannot order a Model III now. She has hers already speced so Elon has his marching orders for feaute/function right out of the box, no need for other research.:wink:�
Jul 31, 2015
Paul Carter Got a call from Tesla yesterday. Hello, this is "so and so" from Tesla Motors. Heart starts beating fast and he starts the next sentence with "I'm calling you today to arrange your test drive....". and then he says in Calgary for the Next Billion Tour. DOH. Well at least I know I'll be excited when the sentence ends with Model X.�
Jul 31, 2015
bonnie That was just cruel. CRUEL. Their database should let them know you have an early reservation so they could start the sentence with, 'This is NOT about the Model X, I'm calling about ...'. Or maybe they DID know and were just having a bit of fun.
Jokesters!�
Jul 31, 2015
Paul Carter LOL. After I explained I was already an owner (didn't mention the X res), he was surprised and did apologize. I was telling him that this was reserving a test spot for several friends in the Calgary area that I'm bringing to the event. This was all arranged and booked before the referral program and I guess they are backlogged too with confirming slots during the events. But boy oh boy, they really should be doing that out of a single source of truth CRM system. Reading that Tesla, I can make that happen for you! HA!�
Jul 31, 2015
CmdrThor Tesla uses Salesforce for their CRM which certainly is capable of addressing many of the data issues they have with communications. They just need to bother to do the necessary configuration / custom development. As a Salesforce developer myself I too could help them out in some of those areas, hah�
Jul 31, 2015
Paul Carter
https://chc.tbe.taleo.net/chc01/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=TESLA&cws=1&rid=29602�
Jul 31, 2015
Vger Here is my quandary for the support group: We have a three-car garage and every bay is filled with a Tesla already. We have a Model X reservation (Canada P~700).
The only way I can justify taking delivery on the X is to let go of our dearly beloved Signature Model S, #2 in Canada and #1 in western Canada. It would feel cheap to just trade it in; and that value will not be that high anyway, since it has almost 100k kms on it. We feel like it should have some special home in BC. Any ideas?�
Jul 31, 2015
Paul Carter I think a local buyer would be nice. I assume it'll drop to a point where a lucky person could finally pick up a Tesla. Try VEVA maillist and their legacy website listing if you want to keep it in the 'family' perhaps might work.�
Jul 31, 2015
Merrill Build a 4 car garage!�
Jul 31, 2015
Zaxxon You poor, poor person.
I will volunteer to take one of your existing Teslas off your hands--I won't even charge you for the service!�
Jul 31, 2015
DrGuest Vger, I have a friend in Bozeman that lives 3/4 time in Napa and 1/4 time in Bozeman. The husband just got a Pearl White P85D and his wife just told me she just feels so safe in it that she would like to buy a used Model S. If it could work out, you might make a good friend that owns a winery in Napa and could maybe visit Ruby when she's here in Bozeman. No idea what price range she is looking, but I could mention it tomorrow when I hope to visit with them. BTW, Bozeman just got a new 70D, so now we have 5 in Town!�
Jul 31, 2015
Vger Thanks for the thought DrG, but I prefer that the car stays in Canada, and preferably in BC.�
Jul 31, 2015
roblab There's a guy in Phoenix with seven Teslas. His solution was simple: Build another garage. If you did that, you could guarantee it would stay in Canada.�
Jul 31, 2015
DrGuest I know what ya mean.�
Aug 1, 2015
lucy I've been reading the Tesla Moments thread for solace this newsless weekend in AUGUST, but I can't take it no mo.
It's tequila time...�
Aug 13, 2015
lucy I find that I'm needing additional support, TMC help me!
1. The theory that the company or people within it are delaying the MX to tank the stock price has lodged in my brain. I shouldn't care, I need every penny to pay for the PV system and the car, none left to gamble on stock anyway, but there it is.
2. The idea that the MX is being held until the auto pilot is "done" hit me last night while reading some random post. While auto pilot would be nice, it's just gravy. Don't make us wait!
3. A story on Teslarati this morning
http://www.teslarati.com/tesla-lower-delivery-guidance-result-model-x-production-delays/
that orders for parts orders have not been placed. In my obsessive skimming of the interwebs my earlier impression was that parts were not available or able to be supplied for some reason. The tone of this article is more that they just have not been ordered, like "whut, we was never planning to crank out a buncha cars, we'z just playin' you"
Thanks in advance...�
Aug 13, 2015
NigelM Lucy,
Elon/Tesla was deliberately dampening expectations in the Earnings Report as there's nothing worse than hyping the stock and seeing it plummet when you don't reach stated guidance. The 10-Q obliges (see Part II, Item 1A) companies to acknowledge all risk factors so Tesla would be in big trouble with the SEC if they didn't state that they are dependent upon suppliers who are building new parts.
Anyone who has been expecting a ramp-up from a small number of test cars to 1,000 per week is being ridiculously na�ve. The ramp will be slow and steady, and it's extremely unlikely that it will reach serious weekly volume until Q1. The Teslarati post is just a rehash of the GCR story which is a rehash of month old rumors on TMC; folks like to extrapolate "hand-built cars" to be some big, bad, thing but I've been happily driving my hand-built early Model S for 3 years now and I'll take one of those first 1,000 Xs quite happily also.
I'm sure the Tesla procurement guys know what they are doing and yes it's quite possible that the bigger orders haven't gone out yet but that is clearly because Tesla (as stated) is testing pilot runs for QA. Again, I have no doubt my Sig X will be of excellent quality and Tesla won't be using rejected parts. Is it possible that some parts fail and that slows production? Sure, but that's the case for every car manufacturer on every build.
Now if Model X gets launched with AutoPilot v.2.0 before the Model S guys get their firmware then there'll be all hell breaking loose over in the Model S section of the forum. But that's no reason to hold back Model X, in fact Tesla would take double the PR hit for being late on both. Tesla will release the beta version of AutoPilot soon (target is 8/15) and we'll see Founders Xs getting delivered later next month.
Stay strong.�
Aug 13, 2015
lucy Thanks, NigelM! As you can see, I needed your council and advice.�
Aug 14, 2015
schonelucht I believed it as late as July because of Elon saying so in May.
Why would it be naive to believe Elon on the fast ramp up but not on the delivery off the Autopilot or first cars next month?�
Aug 14, 2015
NigelM Difference between short and long term perhaps? I may be wrong but I don't recall hearing Elon say they'd get to 1,000 Xs per week in this calendar year.�
Aug 14, 2015
schonelucht Elon was talking about a fast ramp up in 2, max 3 months from September onwards as late as half May. That's about the same time frame out as he was claiming first cars by end of this quarter at the last earnings release. Granted the autopilot claims are a bit shorter term, but not by that much. The original plan, still accurate in May, was to exit this year with a run rate of 2000 cars a month, about half split over both models.�
Aug 19, 2015
JRod0802 Just as a point of historical fascination, here's what we did / how we reacted when the first Model S was delivered:
Tesla Model S VIN 1
First 2012 Tesla Model S Delivered To Earliest Depositor Steve Jurvetson (Video)
Might be fun to read while waiting. It's cool that after over three years, we're only six weeks away from the same thing happening with the X.
Ah, 2012... back when I could keep up with every single post on TMC...�
Aug 19, 2015
NigelM Thanks JRod. Perhaps Konstantin Othmer will make another video? This one never gets tired:
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Aug 19, 2015
bonnie I love that video -- I always enjoy the followup, made by another forum member (ElectricFarmBoy) while waiting for his S (and Kon loved it, too):
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Aug 28, 2015
lodenthal I am fortunate that I have a Model S to drive while waiting for the X so cannot say I am in dire need of a support group but most likely will need one by the time we hear Bonnie's car is in production. Then I might go quite nuts!!�
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