Jul 26, 2015
ronmerkord I was just in one of our local Tesla stores yesterday, and noticed that their streaming video now includes scenes of a Model X, including a quick shot of the back seats with the hatch open. I'm not sure if the shots are of the old version or new, since it was pretty quick. There was also a quick shot of an X next to a model S.
I'm pretty sure this is fairly new, as we go by various stores on a monthly basis. Mainly I was happy to see any mention of a Model X in the Tesla stores, as previously there was absolutely nothing in the stores referring to the X. They are also now stocking Model X shirts and hats.
Ron
SigX #1015�
Jul 26, 2015
Electric700 Glad to see there's progress.
It was said on one of the recent Tesla calls that the Model X configuration would come this month. So if they aren't yet updating the web site, may be that will arrive in the form of Tesla calling the initial Model X reservation holders so that vehicle customization can be done.�
Jul 26, 2015
bonnie There is an assumption that "Model X configuration in July" means "Design Studio Open". My assumption is that some Founders have already configured this month, making it true that Model X configuration would begin in July. Because it has.
just my two cents.�
Jul 26, 2015
1208 Exactly configuration can be done without design studio. They can just ask you over the phone. eg.
Do you want the orange melamine interior? Do you want the chrome spinning rims? and you simply reply yes.�
Jul 26, 2015
bonnie Oooh! I wonder if there is lime green melamine!�
Jul 26, 2015
MsElectric ...do you want cup holders with that?
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Jul 26, 2015
andrewket Would you like third row air vents? 12v or usb plugs?�
Jul 26, 2015
AnOutsider While this is true, my issue with this is that the comment was made to the general public, whom all don't have knowledge of the founders group etc. Additionally, if that were the intent, then there should have been a qualifier like "we expect founders to begin configuring..."
It all leads me to believe he really thought we'd be at the point where the general public would have been starting the config process (even if it's just over the phone), but in the end, that timeline was too optimistic.�
Jul 26, 2015
AlMc I am just happy to hear that someone is configuring...progress....slow....but progress:wink:�
Jul 26, 2015
Svenssons The comment was made during the shareholders meeting and my guess is that most founders are shareholders... I have always had the assumption that the first cars will go to the Founders edition in late September and Tesla will need the orders for those cars 2 months before delivery. Signatures in USA will start to get deliveries in October and I hope other markets will start to get Signature deliveries in December. I have not seen any more delays in the comments from Tesla Motors or Elon Musk since after the delay in 2014.
I do hope that I can order my Model X as early as possible, preferably this month, even if I have to wait 6 months for the delivery.�
Jul 26, 2015
bonnie I think you're being unfair. This was at the Shareholder's meeting and the context was that the first Model X would be configured in July. My reaction was he meant to let us know how close production was. (Most of the Founders were probably sitting right in front of him.)
It never crossed my mind during the meeting that he was implying the design studio would be open. THIS forum got everyone revved up about that interpretation of his words & now people are going to be disappointed.
(And to be clear, I expect I'll be configuring in a conversation, not using an online tool.)
If he'd meant the design studio would be open, he would have said that.�
Jul 26, 2015
roblab No, but they have Harvest Gold and Avocado.�
Jul 26, 2015
mspisars LOL! You guys are going to start another one of those epic threads with this.... think wood paneling!�
Jul 26, 2015
Gwgan And cigarette lighter with ash trays as part of the executive seat package.�
Jul 26, 2015
gavine Fish tank.�
Jul 26, 2015
AnOutsider Fair enough, didn't realize it was at a shareholder's meeting (thought it was on an earnings call). In any case, I still get the feeling they're running a bit behind what they were expecting.
I didn't say that. I even said above "even if it's just over the phone" -- which is about what I'd expect for earlier configs. Unless you meant other folks expecting the studio.�
Jul 26, 2015
Crowded Mind I'm almost certain it was on the Q&A of the last earnings call.�
Jul 26, 2015
bonnie You guys are right. Earnings call.
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That was an interesting option.�
Jul 26, 2015
Fiver
Why 2 months? There is no backlog of manufacturing the X. There is a big line of X orders, but they can start building X's the day they open the design studio. Supposedly the new line at the factory can do both X and S on it at once. So really they can start building them the moment someone finalizes their order. The order of X vin numbers does not correlate exactly to the order they roll off the line.
I said before the first X's off the line will be inventory vehicles. Probably a weeks worth of production, 500 or so to spread out to stores and for test drives. Then the big "unveil" and the founders series will start rolling off the line. Those first 500 inventory cars will probably also be considered a full blown production test to iron out any remaining issues from the manufacturing process.
Edit: This makes me wonder if getting an inventory X will be as easy as it is getting a inventory S. Jump to the front of the line and get your X months before people who pre-ordered in 2013-14?�
Jul 26, 2015
Svenssons The first production cars for the Founders Edition will take much longer time to build than the time it takes for Model S to be build today. Add to this a much more detailed testing and inspection for the first cars. Many Founders Edition might be built more than one time because of problems detected in the tests and inspections.�
Jul 26, 2015
bonnie i doubt we'll see any inventory cars in stores until early 2016, after the first 5000 or so have been delivered. Before that, I'm sure most reservation holders will get a test drive at a drive event, just like with the Model S.�
Jul 26, 2015
lucy ?I'll take the sky blue melamine and chrome spinners!
hoopity�
Jul 26, 2015
Fiver Well, Elon said they were trying to ramp incredibly fast once production finally does commence (whenever that is). This is part of why he claims development is taking so long. So IF this is true, I don't see why they can't ramp from 500 cars week one to 2,000 week two as they claim is possible. While building a car is no easy task, Tesla as a whole isn't nearly as green to this process as they were when starting production of the S. And I still don't believe it will take them 2 months to figure out how to build those first few founders cars. If they are taking a cautious approach before production as it seems they are, and if everything works, they should be producing full speed within week(s) of starting up X production. A well built machine can run at top speed when it's first turned on as long as it's designed well during it's engineering phase.
**I also acknowledge this line of thinking flies in the face of my previous comments saying only a handful of cars will be released in calendar year 2015.�
Jul 26, 2015
Xenoilphobe I hope they have woody panelling and the popup camper option!�
Jul 27, 2015
MaxK The statement from Elon about the X configuring in July was made in the May earnings call. The questions from Jeffrey K. Evanson - Vice President-Investor Relations was:
"Elon, do you want to talk about Model X? We've had a number of questions from investors and Ben's question here about when you'll be able to configure Model X online, when we'll show that to the public, how that will actually deploy?"
Elon replied:
"Yes. Probably three months from now, (1:14:44) May, so it's like � this is early July is when we'll ask people to do the configuration. And it would be very similar to the S, like it's not going to be super � there's no big surprises there. It's very similar to the S. And, yes, and we certainly have a lot of customers who've been waiting a long time. So they will probably (1:15:13)."
The question was specific to online configurations and covered investors in a general sense. The reply specifically mentioned customers. Neither the question, nor the answer, limited the configurator in July to founders. To the contrary, the question and answer combined to indicate that customers and investors could be configuring online in early July.
In Elon time, we are still in early July, so I expect the design studio to open very soon.�
Jul 27, 2015
jkliu47 Salt water or fresh water. :biggrin:�
Jul 27, 2015
Fiver Also it should be noted the inclusion of the word probably. That one word means they are shooting for July, but it could be any time really. So if the configuration tool isn't up in July, I wouldn't be surprised. I'm hopeful it will be up by the next earnings call in early August, but then again, it's Tesla time. Hopefully if it's not up by the call, they will have some information about the timeline to release then. Otherwise it's going to be awkward if once again they have to deflect with the common "We'll release it when it's right" response yet again.�
Jul 27, 2015
bonnie I believe it's going to be limited at first. But obviously don't know.�
Jul 27, 2015
GVTesla Some months ago Jerome Guillen, VP Sales en Service, was quoted that the Model X deliveries in The Netherlands would start in Q1 2016.�
Jul 27, 2015
Twiddler So, back to the topic.....
Has anyone else seen this video? Can you elaborate on what portions of the X are seen in it? Perhaps even a video of the video?
Sorry, but the above horse has been beaten so bloody that I am beginning to feel bad for it�
Jul 27, 2015
ScepticMatt When accelerating in ludicrous mode, fish would quickly float towards the front, like the helium in the CRS-7 oxygen tank�
Jul 27, 2015
timf Elon never really used the word "early". There were a lot of pauses and words muttered under his breath that the transcript attempted to clear up, but never in the actual recording does he say "early" when he says July. I recommend everyone go back and listen to the last 2 minutes of the earnings call to get the real context.�
Jul 27, 2015
pmadflyer Someone, call the Mythbusters!
Is that show still on?�
Jul 27, 2015
mspisars WHOA, that sounds like you've already had the chance to configure your Model X, Bonnie!�
Jul 27, 2015
bonnie s
Well obviously I can't say much right now - but they had options as to the types of fish. I think 'piranhas' was a bit much, though it would make for some fun backseat conversations. For awhile, anyway.�
Jul 27, 2015
dsm363 Unless they had laser beams on top of their heads it's probably not worth the added cost.�
Jul 27, 2015
gavine Fish tank not is available with the ludicrous speed option. Only with the non-P model.�
Jul 27, 2015
ronmerkord Twiddler, thanks for the attempt to return to the OP and sanity.
As far as the video in the Tesla store, the X was only for about 30 seconds of a 5 minute video loop. It showed a shot of the Model X next to a Model S, a few standard shots of a black X and a titanium X, and a shot of the open rear showing rear seats folded down, I believe. I wish that I could have gotten a photo of it. Mainly, I was impressed that the stores are now actively promoting the X, as we visit one of various stores in our area at least once a month. This was the first time that we have seen any indiction of the Model X.
Has anyone else seen this video in their local Tesla store?�
Jul 27, 2015
Merrill You would not think they would show something on a video at the showrooms that was from 2012 or 2013. Wonder what X they used, can you see it very well or is it so fast it was hard to make out.�
Jul 27, 2015
ronmerkord
Merrill,
The images were pretty clear. If I had had my iPhone ready, I could have captured the images. I just didn't want to wait the 10 minutes for the whole loop to go through again, as the X part only lasted a minute or so. I wonder if this is showing in all the stores now (this was the Topanga Mall store in northern Los Angeles area).
Ron�
Jul 27, 2015
gregincal When I first drove a Model S test drive car without an appointment at a Tesla store (it was a new car, fresh off the line), less than 200 Model S cars had been delivered to the public (end of September 2012). I believe it will be the same for the Model X.�
Jul 27, 2015
timf That sounds exactly like their standard stock footage of the Model X they have been showing since 2012. I have a hard time believing it is anything more than that.�
Jul 27, 2015
NigelM Different environment back then. Back in 2012 Tesla stores literally had no cars to show people, and the company badly needed to generate and establish demand for the product. This time around the stores all have Model S to show & tell and offer test drives, plus there's a much longer waiting list for Model X and they don't want to completely cannibalize Model S.
I tend to agree with Bonnie that inventory cars won't get in-store for a few months after launch; I do expect that Tesla will set up a Model X test drive tour for reservation holders.�
Jul 27, 2015
Paul Carter I've received an email a year ago that the Model X would be put into the loaner fleet, be in stores for display and test drives before deliveries. I guess they are technically inventory cars, but perhaps not going to be available for sale right away. Until they get through the backlog or changes start coming in, they'll be valuable in generating new sales and converting existing reservations into sales (early adopters aside). I don't think its likely to cannibalize the Model S sales much because its really going to be targeted at a different market of owners. Not saying that there won't be some.
I just think they'll need to give people test rides (especially for those who have reservations and are needing the touch and feel to make the final purchase decision and get those confirmed up). So keep an open mind that they might very well have that planned all along. Personally, I don't think I would have bought the Model S sight unseen. But boy, once you've taken one out... well you know the rest you're in love with it.
And I feel like rambling today.... so bare with me...
The Model S has proven itself to me to have plenty of space for passengers and cargo, but I do prefer higher ride height, easier to get in and out of, additional carrying capacity, and having the ability to carry 6 adults with me when the need arises. I usually end up renting an SUV or truck to make up for that before I got the Model S. But why didn't I already own a SUV. Well, I just couldn't bring myself to own one for just those occasions and drive around a gas guzzler in the meantime and feel guilty about the waste it would be. Since I've gotten an S, I haven't had the need for the extra 6th spot yet and managed to carry an amazing amount of stuff in the S in the meantime. With the dual motor announcement and that insane experience I sorta wavered even! However, the Model X is the vehicle I've always wanted. As long as it can live up to that, which I have every hope that it will (and then some), I would now even buy it sight unseen.
Exciting memory for me is that on February 9th, 2012 a coworker told me about the Tesla Model X SUV starting reservations the next day. I knew a little bit about Tesla back then (saw a Roadster review on a TV car show and one around town). I thought it was a crazy business model to get here, but wow, they now have a sedan ready to go and thinking about the next one. Boy, I jumped in with both feet and got a signature reservation and was hitting the reserve page like crazy the next day. Woo hoo! Its just around the corner now...�
Jul 27, 2015
NigelM I feel a bet coming on.
This was you wasn't it?
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Jul 27, 2015
Paul Carter Ha! LOL... yea no (on the bet and that being me).�
Jul 27, 2015
bonnie C'mon, Paul ... take the bet.�
Jul 27, 2015
Paul Carter One learns quickly not to bet against you or Nigel.�
Jul 27, 2015
NigelM 
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Jul 27, 2015
Paul Carter Hmmm.. lol... what kind of bet?�
Jul 27, 2015
AlMc A Prince should not be afraid to take a bet. :wink:. Since my family would all agree that I am no prince I will enjoy watching from afar.
edit: Or was that 'Knight Carter'....Where is Dirk? he will remember�
Jul 27, 2015
Paul Carter I'm surprised Bonnie didn't say it.�
Jul 27, 2015
NigelM I say this:
:isn't going to happen.�
Jul 27, 2015
Paul Carter Yes, but I guess I should say what's your wager. Hand deliver a key lime or pecan pie from Florida to Vancouver in your X for instance?�
Jul 27, 2015
bonnie Oh my. It's getting serious.
What will YOU hand deliver? I might want in on this. I'll deliver a box of freshly picked mandarin oranges or a large jar of homemade blackberry jam.�
Jul 27, 2015
NigelM We could wager Key Lime Pie against say couple pounds smoked salmon? Not going to drive my X but we'll be in Vancouver later this year.�
Jul 27, 2015
bonnie I'd be good with smoked salmon - perhaps on your next trip to the Bay area?�
Jul 27, 2015
Paul Carter Great a double bet. Twice the fun! Wait didn't someone (meaning myself) just say not to bet against you both? LMAO now here I am moments later... I'm suddenly reminded of back to the future and getting called chicken.
Since no fresh produce is allowed across the border and I really do love blackberry jam, that'll work very nicely. Would you like some local fireweed or blackberry honey from the valley near me, smoked salmon, or blackberry port from Salt Spring Island?
Ok say limit to $30 USD for pie or the salmon, I can only each so much pie.�
Jul 27, 2015
ItsNotAboutTheMoney Oh, you hoping for the "female" colors that small hatchbacks come in in Europe? Purple or bright yellow X, anyone?�
Jul 27, 2015
bonnie ... or crow.�
Jul 27, 2015
Paul Carter Yea its probably 2 servings of crow. That's going to hurt.�
Jul 27, 2015
Merrill What did it look like, the old prototypes or the mules that we have seen lately, maybe I will go to the showroom near me and see if it is there.�
Jul 27, 2015
pgiralt You're all killing me. I saw the thread finally had an attachment so thought someone had finally uploaded a copy of the video in question and this is what I end up seeing instead? I feel like this every time I see an update to the Greenville, SC supercharger thread.�
Jul 27, 2015
vandacca I'm mostly siding with Paul Carter. I agree that they won't have Model-X during the founder series cars, but shortly after the Signature Series start rolling, I think they will have demo vehicles. Tesla has often said that the Model-X is mostly geared towards women, and its been my experience (forgive me for generalizing) that most women would not finalize a purchase without seeing the Model-X.
I'll donate to Paul's wager via PayPal (appropriate considering Elon's past connection with it).�
Jul 27, 2015
bonnie Forgive ME for generalizing
But I still believe that the early Sigs will not get even a test drive before finalizing, the majority of the Sigs will get a test drive event, and cars will hit the stores for display in early 2016. Men and their wishiwashiness be damned.�
Jul 27, 2015
CmdrThor I think you are taking Elon's comments about women and the Model X out of context. Elon admitted that the Model S was rather masculine in its design. He mentioned that they considered women much more in designing the Model X. Does this mean the Model X is "geared towards women"? No it means it is geared towards everyone.
And I agree with Bonnie, I think most people in general would not finalize a purchase without seeing the X first. The exception is the people who plopped down 40 grand three years ago. If they haven't cancelled yet .. pretty much aren't going to cancel now ...�
Jul 27, 2015
Paul Carter Yea so that's the bet.�
Jul 27, 2015
Merrill I have a hard time understanding why Tesla would make any Sig holder buy the car without seeing it or driving it.�
Jul 27, 2015
ohmman It would be a shame if this thread got slightly off topic.�
Jul 27, 2015
NigelM Because that never happens usually, noooo.�
Jul 27, 2015
O-G Could you please define "early". I feel like I'm on the line of "early" Sigs or "other" Sigs.�
Jul 27, 2015
bonnie Just a guess - but my assumption is definitely less than the first 100, probably less than the first 50. I'm sure you'll be able to test drive.
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They don't 'make anyone buy it', there is always the option to defer. I have no reason to do so.�
Jul 27, 2015
Fiver
You guys like sports?�
Jul 28, 2015
pmadflyer Slightly.�
Jul 28, 2015
vandacca And this is why we need more members like Bonnie on this forum!
But am I missing something? It is beginning to sound like we are all beginning to agree on the same thing. :smile:
Maybe the disagreement is actually with the dates that the Signature Models will be released, but it sounds like everybody agrees that most Signature holders will have the option to see/test-drive a Model-X before finalizing.
Being a male Model-X reservation holder, I agree with you CmdrThor. However, Tesla went to great lengths to "include" women in the Model-X. They had quotes during the reveal and on the website like "...carry 7 passengers and all her luggage...". Also, the website only had a single image of a person and it was a female using the falcon doors. Maybe its Tesla's hope that if they over-emphasize the female perspective, they can be more inclusive and friendly towards women in general.
Anyway, I don't mean to further generalize some more, but a lot of men also would need to see/test-drive the Model-X before finalizing, but percentage-wise, more men than women feel comfortable buying a vehicle on specs alone and sight unseen. While I've seen a lot of F150s on the road and in show-rooms, I bought my F150 based on specs over the phone. When I picked it up, I was a wee bit shocked how big it looked due to my decisions (e.g. extended bed, off-road suspension, bigger wheels, etc.).�
Jul 28, 2015
pGo My local store in Boca Raton says Model X should arrive in October.�
Jul 28, 2015
AlMc Is that 'arrive' as in first deliveries to Sig holders in your area OR 'arrive' as in showroom/test drive Xs? I suspect the former.�
Jul 28, 2015
pGo I asked when can I see Model X in store and that was what answered. The conversation happened about 3 weeks ago.�
Oct 3, 2015
Paul Carter So...
A little while ago I stated...
And after a little fun banter with some fellow members, Nigel and Bonnie, wagers with prizes were placed...
Now that the first few deliveries have been made and no X's in store to try out, I would like to congratulate you both on a bet well earned.
Congrats to you both!
Cheers,
Paul�
Oct 3, 2015
bonnie You're so classy, Paul.
And now I realize (thanks to you!) that I have a bet somewhere to make good upon. ... off to search for the terms. Something about my signature and JST, I believe.�
Oct 3, 2015
NigelM Agree. While I think that Founders cars are customer deliveries I'm giving Paul the benefit of declaring that 'deliveries' means Sigs #1 and #2. Let's see.....
Let me help you out there. And I'm happy I didn't take that particular bet.
BTW, the front end is noticeably different to what was seen before so I think you're arguably due some chocolate from someone also. ;-)�
Dec 17, 2015
NigelM Hey Paul, looks likely (from other threads) that deliveries are imminent. If you need to go fishing this might be a good time to get your boat ready. ;-)�
Dec 17, 2015
Paul Carter That's good news! Fingers crossed for many happy reservation holders and would be nice to put that bet to a final close!�
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