Feb 26, 2016
malcolm I'm assuming JB is referring to hardware and that much of it will be non-apparent.
Possibilities/opportunities:
Structural:
Advances in Lightweighting?
Greater ease of assembly?
Even better crash-worthiness? (NCAP 7??)
Powertrain:
More efficient motor rotor cooling?
Improved motor torque-rpm profile?
Battery:
Improved battery performance in cold weather?
Faster Supercharging?
Any other possible hardware improvements?�
Feb 26, 2016
Max* New Technology? The first Tesla to be under-promised, over-delivered and on-time!
Nah, that wont happen.�
Feb 26, 2016
malcolm Oh come on, where's your sense of tradition?�
Feb 26, 2016
MiamiNole I would think he more or less is referring to technology seen in the Model S, but designed specifically for the Model 3. Although there might be some new "Tesla" features meant for all cars that are being designed for the Model 3 first. Could be interesting.�
Feb 26, 2016
Twiglett I'm hoping for gen2 AP hardware, so that what gets updated into the next Model S rev will be truly stunning.
I would also expect interesting tech bundling/integration to reduce the cost of build and installation.
That would allow stuff like nav or charger optimized routing to be included in base hardware for instance.
There seemed to be a bit of focus on much reduced cost of components as well - so maybe they can now do dual motor in the base model?�
Feb 26, 2016
tinm I thought Model 3 was going to have a brand new next-gen drive unit?�
Feb 26, 2016
Drucifer Mechanical door handles.�
Feb 26, 2016
Brad_NC Air-sheet windshield clearing tech to replace current windshield wipers. :scared:�
Feb 26, 2016
Bangor Bob AC charger functionality integrated into motor drive inverter - reduces component count, assembly steps, costs.�
Feb 26, 2016
tinm Maybe they've gotten rid of the 17" screen entirely and have gone with heads-up display on the windshield, plus hand gesture and voice recognition for interacting with controls and settings.�
Feb 27, 2016
ZAKEEUS More efficient heating and a/c?�
Feb 27, 2016
Twiglett More I think about it, the more I'm convincing myself that Gen2 AP will appear here first. Then they get even better learning capability to give them the ability to make Gen3 AP much closer to true autonomy for the next hardware rev of the Model S.
The chances of ? not having AP are getting much slimmer�
Feb 27, 2016
doubleatheman I really hope that the Model 3 comes with a ultra efficient compressor for heat and cool modes. An efficient heat pump vs electric element heat can be vastly more efficient. And typically compressors designed to heat and cool are also more efficient in cooling modes too.
Multi-Stage compressors are possible in cars, my 2008 Honda Civic Hybrid has a variable stage Compressor for ac modes. Setting my car to 79*f on hot days keeps me (mostly) comfortable, but keeps the hit on MPG low, as the compressor is operating at such an efficient rpm. If tesla makes an AC system that is ultra efficient for mild cooling loads, I am sure it would keep most people satisfied and reduce the overall range loss from climate control.�
Feb 27, 2016
pmadflyer Cup holder armrests... FOR BOTH ARMS!
Also, the volume goes to 12.�
Feb 27, 2016
EV Guy Isn't it about time we ditched glass windscreens (windshield for US readers) for polycarbonate or similar to give weight gains for a lighter vehicle.�
Feb 27, 2016
S'toon Ford has started installing Gorilla Glass windshields.�
Feb 27, 2016
McRat Polycarbonate is not really that good for street cars. Sand in particular will damage it at highway speeds, and you need to clean it carefully with soft cloth.
What they have been doing instead is using stronger glass that is thinner. So there are weight savings in glass. I think the first "thin" windshields were fitted on the 2002? Corvette Z06. $1100 for that windshield to save 2.6 pounds (4.8mm)?�
Feb 27, 2016
Skotty I'd like to see battery, battery, and increased serviceability.
The traction battery. New cells, new packaging, produced at the Gigafactory, with record low cost.
The 12v battery. Come up with something better. Could just be another 12v battery, but better quality and better managed for maximum longevity and reliability.
Serviceability. Make the 12v battery easier to access. Design the car to where it doesn't need to be towed on a flatbed. Bring the wheel lug torque back down to sane levels. Trouble codes and descriptions available on main screen. Have better information and parts availability for 3rd party repairs. Clearly marked jack points. Easy traction battery disconnect for servicing. Water-tight seal the main battery compartment and use a snorkel (hidden of course) for venting if necessary; better waterproof any sensitive electronics installed low on the vehicle.
I know things like autopilot are the media darlings. But the things I've listed I believe are what would make a truly great vehicle. Not auto-pilot or self driving.�
Feb 27, 2016
ChrisC Now THAT would be interesting. I've been seeing suppliers offer it, and I think Renault fielded a car with it.�
Feb 27, 2016
Bangor Bob All the non-glass options are worse from a durability standpoint. Remember that in cold climates the windshield will have particles of sand scraped across it by the wipers all winter long. After 100,000 miles a glass windscreen needs replacing because you can't see through it at night if there are oncoming lights. Plastics are much more scratch-prone.�
Feb 27, 2016
stopcrazypp The early Roadsters actually did this also (technology licensed from AC Propulsion), but it was actually cheaper to just have a separate charger because it was easier to build in volume and was less complex.�
Feb 27, 2016
wdolson It's beyond modern technology, but someday it will be possible to make a windscreen out of lab-made diamond. That wouldn't scratch, though looking at an angle through it would cause a lot of distortion (diamond has the highest index of refraction of all materials). The specific gravity of diamond is higher than glass, but it could me made a lot thinner than a glass windshield.�
Feb 27, 2016
aronth5 With the need to design and build a new skateboard Tesla will take advantage of what they learned with the skateboard for the S and X and bring many technological improvements to the Model 3
-Improved battery pack design
-improvement to supercharge system to support future supercharger enhancements
-New cell size with improved chemistry
-More efficient AC/Heat
-Improved motor
-Improved drive train
-Improved AP hardware�
Feb 27, 2016
McHoffa As someone else mentioned, maybe do away with the 17 inch rectangle and instead go with custom shaped displays. Sharp showed them off over a year ago.
Sharps new any-shape displays are coming to cars and a whole lot more
I'd also personally like to see Apple CarPlay and Android Auto built in somehow.
Do away with side mirrors (I know this means laws changing, but it's about time).
Even faster charging would completely do away with people's perceptions of electric cars. If you could get 200 miles in 15-20 minutes, that would be nice.�
Feb 27, 2016
Bangor Bob Would be awesome, but would do very little for the general public's perception. I see comments at auto blogs every damn day saying "You can't drive across the country without stopping to charge for hours every 80 miles." There's just a lot of resistance out there and facts have a hard time penetrating some skulls...�
Feb 27, 2016
S'toon Or the "glorified golf cart" comment.�
Feb 27, 2016
EcoHeliGuy It will, The whole skateboard architecture will be a redesign for the Gen3 automobiles. Lessons learned over the past Ten years.
Considering they haven't yet, and the components cost more for a mechanical system, for get it.
heads-up possibly, but the touch screen is very Tesla right now, and no one else is copying them yet anyway.
the heating unit is efficient in an energy usage kind of way (inherent to electrical heat) but effective heating could be improved
Heat pumps aren't more efficient in heating from an energy stand point. They are more efficient in a one unit does both standpoint.
from my experience in aviation. Definitely not. Non glass options scratch extremely easy with dust and grit. Let alone using wiper blades as well.
One piece of tech I hope Tesla adopts, I had in my Mini Cooper.
Very fine wire filaments were sandwiched in the windshield for instant defrost. Like electric defrost for the rear window on most vehicles. It works extremely well and very few times did the filaments ever become noticeable while driving. If Tesla incorporated this into all windows, less energy would be used by the HVAC system in cold climates trying to keep the Windows clear. And direct more air to the passengers. Also I hope they build Dyson Fan type air vents into the car. Anyone that has used a Dyson fan would understand the benefit.�
Feb 27, 2016
doubleatheman Not exactly sure what you mean. Many people install heat pumps on their house for the sole reason for every watt of power you put in you get more than one watt if thermal energy back. Electric coils are 1 watt for 1 watt.
Heat pumps move heat, they don't create heat.�
Feb 27, 2016
stopcrazypp Right, heat pumps can get above 100% efficiency in terms of thermal energy (while resistive heat maxes out at 100%). It is just in very cold weather their efficiency drops and approaches that of resistive heating (the flow of refrigerant also slows dramatically so the amount of heat drops dramatically). That is why most heat pump systems have resistive heat as a back up.�
Feb 27, 2016
T-Will It's coming. Tesla is moving away from an SDK and instead planning to allow app mirroring from iPhones to center consoles | 9to5Mac�
Feb 28, 2016
ratsbew This is genius! Couldn't you have 60+kW AC charging if you used the onboard drive inverter? You can regen at over 60kW so if you had a three phase AC supply of sufficient capacity I'd think you could charge that fast.�
Feb 28, 2016
dgpcolorado My impression is that diamond may be very hard but that it is also rather brittle. Also, being just carbon, diamond burns really well. Not that one would expect a windshield to catch on fire, but that might be a safety consideration.�
Feb 28, 2016
malcolm I thought they were forever. Dame Shirley Bassey lied to us!�
Feb 28, 2016
wdolson You are thinking of hydrocarbons which are molecules that are mostly carbon and hydrogen (many have other bits clumped on too). Most hydrocarbons do burn quite easily, but diamonds have an extremely high flashpoint. Diamonds are formed in conditions that are 900-1300 C and burn at much higher temperatures than that. Essentially the temperature that would burn a diamond window would probably melt any glass too.
Naturally formed crystals have fracture lines (flaws) running through them and they can be calved at those fracture lines. An expert diamond cutter learns to see those lines and determines the best spots to apply pressure. We can make diamonds in labs now, but it's still a fairly new technology and the results are still fairly small. It may never be possible to lab grow giant diamonds, but humans do make single unified crystals of other substances. If it wasn't possible to make singe, pure, flaw free silicon, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Modern electronics is only possible because humans can lab grow massive silicon crystals that have no flaws.
Back to the subject, car and aircraft makers would be very happy to find a hard, scratch resistant, light, and transparent material to make windows out of. Aircraft use plexiglass because light weight is most important. Plexiglass was one of the first plastics and was in widespread use by WW II. It is as clear as glass and has the advantage of being much lighter than glass, but it is much softer than glass and can still shatter. Glass is very heavy, but it's the best material for cars which are exposed to more debris than aircraft and where weight is not as serious a problem. It's a tough problem, despite the obvious rewards to someone who can come up with a better material, nobody has in 100 years or so of trying.�
Feb 28, 2016
EcoHeliGuy Spot on�
Feb 28, 2016
vforvortex Instead of windshield wipers, we get freakin' LASERS to evoprate the water.
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for the Model 3, they keep the 17" screen but switch it to Landscape mode.Mind Blown.
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Feb 28, 2016
EcoHeliGuy McLaren Is Using Fighter Jet Technology for Wiper-free Windshields�
Feb 28, 2016
Tesloid This brings back memories. Back in my college days, a couple of my friends and I were goofing off at 3am, in the electronics lab, and started messing with a transducer. We hooked it up to a sheet of glass and started searching for the resonance frequency�
Feb 28, 2016
Takumi If they come out with the world's first hydrophobic windshield, that would be awesome!�
Feb 29, 2016
Morristhecat It's obvious to me that it will be a LIDAR sensor suite for auto pilot.�
Feb 29, 2016
T-Will I thought there was a quote from Elon saying he didn't think LIDAR was required for a fully-autonomous car. This doesn't mean they couldn't change their mind on this though.�
Feb 29, 2016
Brad_NC Musk did say that LIDAR was unneeded. I think at the Model X unveiling.�
Feb 29, 2016
T-Will I wonder if one of the announcements could be that AP will be standard (no upgrade fee) on the 3 and S moving forward, since this really is a cornerstone feature of Tesla now.�
Feb 29, 2016
EcoHeliGuy Model 3 "new technology" speculation
Not as long as it's a beta I believe.
Once beta status is lifted I believe all equipped cars will become unlocked.�
Feb 29, 2016
malcolm I wonder if the wow factor will be a number of features which we would have discounted and considered S-only.�
Feb 29, 2016
anxman Overhead parking cameras (thanks to the new AP2 cameras).�
Feb 29, 2016
EcoHeliGuy I really think Tesla could pull off an automated security system. While the car is driving use the systems for AP and a incident data recorder. And when the cars parked, use the system for surveillance when a shock sensor, glass break sensor, or door handle is used. Send a captured image to owners phone while saving a video in the cars memory.
What if your car provided footage and position aware information for a post incident investigation.�
Mar 1, 2016
ImEric - Maybe motors in the wheels, to eventually accommodate a P100Q version of the next roadster.
- Maybe integrated wireless induction charging.
- More social autopilot (using the position and sensors of nearby teslas as secondary sensors to see around corners or ahead of cars in front of the car in front of you, for instance).
- An App store. I remember (maybe 5 or 6 years ago) hearing that eventually Tesla would open up their software to allow people to create apps that would need to be pre-approved before you could put them on your car.
- Removable, upgradeable storage in standard formats, like a 2.5" drive slot. It could use a caddy similar to what AtomOS devices use for its removable 2.5" drives.
- Drive-time monitoring/recording to the upgradeable, removable storage, like the million or so dash cams on the market, but fully integrated into the car's forward and rear-facing cameras.
None of this is "new" technology, but it would be new to Tesla. And except for the motors in the wheels, and the spot to install your own hard drive, it would definitely be optional.�
Mar 1, 2016
tga I'm sure we'll see a quad-motor car at some point, but it won't have motors in the wheels. They will be inboard and connected by a driveshaft with cv joints. You don't want heavy motors in the wheels/hubs adding to unspring weight, as it wrecks handling/performance.�
Mar 1, 2016
wdolson Motors in the wheels need some kind of brush to connect the motors that are now turning with the battery, which is a part that will both wear out quickly and will add resistance between the battery and motor. Additionally you don't want to add weight to the wheels. The idea is to get the angular momentum of the wheels down as low as possible and weight is a factor in these equations. Many aircraft of WW I had radial engines that spun on a shaft with the propeller permanently fixed to the engine. ie the engine spun rather than a shaft. Radial engines have a natural problem with oil collecting in the bottom cylinders, but spinning the engine solves this problem. However, you're using up a lot of energy to spin the engine and the practice was discontinued around the end of WW I. Radial engines pretty much died out early in the jet age, but they were heavily used for aircraft engines in WW II. Some were put in tanks too. By the 1920s radials were fixed with spinning shafts and they just had good oil pumps to distribute the oil around.
I also don't see the point of 4 motors. It would make things more complex, require each motor be made smaller and probably take up more space in total. Any gain in performance would be negligible or it might even be worse than dual motor.
As far as the ability to save something from your car to media, if Tesla ever did this, they would just use the USB ports that can be used now to play media on the car's sound system. I have heard of at lease one person who used an SSD hard drive to plug into the USB and play his library of media in the car.
I doubt Tesla is going to go with wireless charging. Wireless charging is very energy wasteful. Instead Tesla is pursuing technology to automatically plug in the car.�
Mar 1, 2016
EcoHeliGuy There are endless ways for a car to charge through contact connection, wireless charging has endless inherent losses.�
Mar 10, 2016
Skotty One thing that might be cool, though not sure it would be cheap enough for the 3 -- charge ports at all 4 corners of the car. Would be nice to not bother trying to line up the charge port with the charger; just park however you like.�
Mar 10, 2016
gigglehertz +1. I don't like the idea of backing into a parking/charging spot, even with a rearview camera. I really liked the common sense approach Nissan has with the charge port.�
Mar 10, 2016
Brad_NC I cannot say that I'm too worried about charge-port location... but that's because I'm REALLY FREAKIN GOOD at parking straight and backing into/out-of any space that my vehicle will fit in, lol.
Honestly though, I think that Tesla will try to keep the charge-ports in the same location across its many models. Keeps it simple, keeps the car clean, keeps things less expensive, simplifies design, helps when you have a loaner that has the charge-port in the same spot... the benefits of keeping it the same are virtually endless.�
Mar 10, 2016
ModelNforNerd
Besides....I plan on getting AP on mine, and if i really HAVE TO, use Summon to put it in the garage.
(just gotta hope the robo-snake charging cable is ready by then)�
Mar 10, 2016
Max* They should also keep it in the same place, so that all the cars can have access to Superchargers�
Mar 10, 2016
vinnie97 Wireless charging at home seems more practical, in spite of the efficiency losses.�
Mar 10, 2016
ModelNforNerd They've already started on the robo snake, and made it clear they are not interested in wireless charging. Will that change? Who knows. But right now the chances of me getting a robo snake are better than Wireless�
Mar 10, 2016
James Anders My guess for the big surprise announcement will be that's it's an all aluminum body like the MS and MX.
They thought it over and decided that because of the weight reduction and because their whole process is geared to aluminum it made sense.
Aluminum requires special tools, processes that are incompatible with steel bodied cars. Auto body shops that fix aluminum cars have to maintain separate tools and fixtures for each material.
My 3 cents.�
Mar 10, 2016
ecarfan Model 3 "new technology" speculation
I doubt it. An aluminum body really does add cost. There's a reason almost all car bodies are made of steel. It's going to be a real challenge to make a high quality 200+ mile "real world" range EV, the size of a BMW 3 or 4 series, for a base price of US$35K.�
Mar 10, 2016
wdolson That would be expensive. Electrical plugs cost money.
My current car is one of the last cars that has the gas filler cap under the back license plate. It not only hide it from view when not in use, but I have never had to worry about lining up one side of the car or the other with the pump. Putting it in the back like my car isn't practical with modern trunk lids that come down to the bumper, but I think Nissan had the right idea putting the charge port in the middle front.
If Tesla did it, it would make using a supercharger easier. Backing up into a restricted space requires more ability to control the car than pulling in nose first.
Tesla could have put the charging port under a panel in the nose cone. They would have had to reroute things a bit, but the charger hardware could have been placed in front of the battery instead of under the back seat. It would make it a lot easier for people with poorer hand-eye coordination to use all superchargers. The idea of having to back into a space with $100K cars on both sides would be nerve wracking for a lot of people who are not that great at backing with precision.�
Mar 10, 2016
tga What is it?�
Mar 10, 2016
wdolson I drive a 92 Buick Roadmaster. I hate the name, but it's been a wonderful car.�
Mar 10, 2016
eloder I hate backing into spaces--love the front nosecone spot on my Leaf. I positioned my EVSE to try and be in a neutral spot whether I eventually bought a Tesla or something else, though I need to back up to make the Tesla work off of it.
I'm just counting on autopilot and autonomous parking abilities making charging easy at home.�
Mar 10, 2016
EcoHeliGuy Those BMW's use aluminum body panels.�
Mar 10, 2016
ecarfan And the base BMW 3 or 4 series use a much cheaper to build ICE drivetrain (cheaper compared to a 50-60kWh battery/inverter/electric motor).�
Mar 10, 2016
EcoHeliGuy And then the dealers need to add a profit as well.�
Mar 11, 2016
forumman83 I disagree with all of these.�
Mar 11, 2016
dgpcolorado I agree. Both of the L2 public charge stations I use have single direction traffic and it is difficult to turn around and back in when the lot is full. Yesterday I just parked front in and plugged-in to the back; the cable was plenty long enough. Think I'll just do it that way in the future. I'm less concerned about the Supercharger stations because the ones I've seen have plenty of room to back in.�
Mar 15, 2016
malcolm Wing mirrors fold in when BOTH Autopilot is active AND the car is moving at high speed (reduces Cd when it is most needed)
Yes you would have to look around before you indicated a lane change.�
Mar 15, 2016
Trev Page Hah! I've trained my wife to back our Lincoln into our driveway every time she takes it. This way when our Tesla arrives she won't complain about backing up to plug it in.�
Mar 15, 2016
p1l0t3 I'm in for all the glass variations. On planes, it has been a while they have lost glass. Why not on cars ?
Also, I would love to those potholes on each side of my windshield to disappear. 270deg non obstruate view...
That would be something about safety (visibility) even if from a structural point of view it would be weakening this same safety. unless they found a way to it.�
Mar 15, 2016
Tanquen I've seen some pretty crazy ideas out there like scissor doors, this, that and the other but remember:
Musk is cutting the base price in half from 70000 to 35000.
He is putting a lot of effort into meeting that new base price.
He has said that the 3 will be smaller, have less range (the battery pack will have to be smaller to fit the car) and said it will be less the bells and whistles of the Model S.
AP should be there and hr has said they will be adding a number of features the next 2 years and alluded to it being mostly or all software.
Musk also stated that many of the features/options of the new model 3 will not be available in the first run they will be added in the 2nd and 3rd year. This is again is being done to meet the base price and the proposed release date.
I'm not expecting a gutted base model Honda Civic but anything from that and closer to a Model S will be icing on the cake.�
Mar 15, 2016
Steepler2k I'm hopeful for an all digital LED/LCD screen in place of a traditional instrument panel. Not sure if that's how it works on the Model S. Audi's virtual cockpit version they're rolling out looks absolutely incredible.�
Mar 15, 2016
Tempus that's already how the Model S is. No physical instrument panel at all.�
Mar 15, 2016
Model 3 Do you have a source for Elon saying that Model 3 will have less range then Model S?
Yes, the battery-pack will be smaller to fit a smaller car, but with new cells and perhaps new chemistry it may well still have the same range.�
Mar 15, 2016
raysspl A lot of the Model S tech will trickle its way down the to the Model 3, if this wasn't obvious enough.�
Mar 15, 2016
EcoHeliGuy Elon hasn't made any of these statements. Period�
Mar 15, 2016
wdolson And all the tickets you'll get for your car not being road legal. Virtually all jurisdictions require at least two mirrors, one to the left of the driver and one to the right. The laws specifically say "mirrors" which is the stumbling block. A lot of car companies are trying to get these laws changed, but it's going to be a slow process.
Aircraft have used plexiglass since the 1930s. Plexiglass is much lighter than glass, but it has a lot of drawbacks for cars. It's softer and more fragile than glass and it degrades when exposed to sunlight, getting translucent over time. Aircraft don't have to contend with stuff bouncing off the windscreens in the air, so the softer plexiglass is OK.
In cars using plexiglass would result in sand scouring the windshield and if something of any size came flying at you like a piece of metal flying out of the bed of a truck, it would likely go right through the windshield and hit you. One time in Seattle I was following a semi carrying scrap metal and a nut about 3 inches across flew out of the bed and hit my windshield right in front of me. Thankfully it richocheted away and there was no damage, but if it had gone through, it would have killed me.
The reason we still use glass in cars is because nobody has come up with a material that is better for the application. Even the world's most expensive cars still use glass because even when money is no limit, there is still nothing better.�
Mar 15, 2016
Trev Page Damn,I was sure that transparent aluminum was a thing. Scotty said so!�
Mar 15, 2016
Tanquen He has said it would be around 200 a few times. I guess that could be the same as the 230-240 base S but seems unlikely. Having a smaller pack and still getting 200 is pretty good.�
Mar 15, 2016
S'toon He's said over 200 miles, or at least 200 real world miles a few times.�
Mar 15, 2016
Tanquen I watched him make those statements. ??? I would not post it if it was just something I heard some random guy say. There is no way I'd mistake Musk for anyone else in those YouTube videos.�
Mar 15, 2016
Bimbels
200 REAL WORLD MILES. That is what he has said. So that would line up with the 70D roughly. With battery density improvements, even with the smaller battery size, the reduced weight and rumored improved aerodynamics that should be achievable.�
Mar 15, 2016
Tanquen It's hard to keep up on a time line and the variations on the way he said it but that's the way I remember the last time I heard him talk about it. It's like over a year ago he was saying they were debating going with a small model 3 that's just like the S vs something more interesting and at that time he said they were going to do something more interesting but lately he's just been saying it would be about 20% smaller then the S. I guess that means it could still be interesting but I don't know what he means by that. Anyway, 200 miles and up is great as long as they're 200 conservative miles.�
Mar 16, 2016
Tesloid My wishlist (reasonable to expect some of them to be options, and not standard)
1. 230+ miles per charge on base M3
2. 160+ miles in 15 minutes @ Superchargers
3. Model X style extra long windshield
4. LED/Laser Headlights
5. 360 degree video (Nissan style Eagle Eye)
6. Built-in Dashcam
7. Facial/Voice recognition with Profile settings
8. Android Auto + Apple CarPlay
9. Autonomous city driving
10. Multiple UI themes for Instrument Cluster and Center Console�
Mar 16, 2016
malcolm IIRC he said that 200 real-world miles is a Passing Grade.
Elon doesn't strike me as the sort of man who is satisfied with a passing grade.�
Mar 16, 2016
Model 3 Others have already answered on this, but since you quoted me, I'm chiming in here to.
I have tried to read and hear all about the upcomming Gen-III/Model E (earlier)/Model 3 (current). And I have several times heard Elon say that it will get �at least 200 real world miles�. He has also said (about the time TMS70D was introduced) that you really need about 240 EPA miles to get 200 real world miles.
So rest assured that the base version Model 3 will get more then 200 miles of EPA range. How much more? That's anybody's guess... 240 EPA miles seams a bit high, so I'm guessing on about 220 to 240 EPA miles. But I'm hoping for 240+ EPA miles.... And it will be logical to have about the same base range on Model S and Model 3.�
Mar 16, 2016
Tanquen
So, around 200 miles then.
We need a better EV rage rating. Something like 240/200/180, full charge/80%charge and some AC or cold weather mixed in/the latter after 3 years. There is some battery tech that can greatly improve the ratio of the last number but will lower the first two. It would be nice to know that info when they say they are changing the battery chemistry.
I think we all can agree that EV range is complicated. Did you charge to 100%, is it cold out, are you using the heater/AC lots, is the regen set to max and is your foot to the floor all the time? I�d hope when he talks about the range of the M3 it�s in regards to the range of the other cars he is already selling and it sounds like he is. But if you have not heard him say �240 EPA miles to get 200 real world miles.� and seen other videos where he just says with a 200 miles (about or at least) rage you could see that as less than the MS.
The MS is 230 miles base, so he is saying the M3 will be about the same. The M3 pack will be smaller but then the car should be lighter too. He�s said it won�t be aluminum to help with costs but with a steel frame design that should be lighter than most cars. For its size, will it be as light as the aluminum MS? Is that range with the number of cells maxed out?
Hopefully we�ll know in 2 weeks.�
Mar 16, 2016
Tanquen I really want 5 & 6 but he said it will not have or will have less bells and whistles than the MS with some features/options added in later years. To him maybe that�s the power door handles or the power tilt steering wheel.�
Mar 16, 2016
Model 3 Yes, we can agree on that a better rating system, but here in Europe all we can hope for is to get on par with the EPA system
I don't think it is necessary to give "full charge"/"80% charge" ranges. You can expect to get about 80% of full charge when you charge to 80%�
Mar 16, 2016
MorrisonHiker Unfortunately, it didn't happen on the X either.�
Mar 16, 2016
eloder I'm still sticking by my suicide doors theory, and that people will love them once they see them in action�
Mar 16, 2016
Bangor Bob Transparent aluminum is a thing, but it's a ceramic of aluminum oxide and (%*%&$^ expensive...
Aluminium oxynitride - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia�
Mar 16, 2016
Bangor Bob Still crossing my fingers for aluminum construction - living in the salt belt, it's depressing to watch my cars slowly disintegrate into orange flakes... While anticorrosion coatings get better, the state DOT's are also using more aggressive salts and brines on the roads.�
Mar 16, 2016
wdolson Just about everything is transparent at some point in the EM spectrum. Glass just happens to be transparent in the spectrum our eyes pick up. I had a senior level Physics class in college where one of the lab experiments involved hitting a sample material with an increasing range of frequencies until it passes through and from the spectrum of frequencies that passes through we had to figure out what material it was. I really enjoyed that class.�
Mar 22, 2016
lklundin To my knowledge the inverter on the Model S is built using 20-year old COTS (To-247).
A few weeks ago a certain company was granted their first U.S. patent for their "FF Echelon Inverter".
So maybe Model 3 (and coming Model S/X versions) will feature a new inverter, with R&D justified by larger numbers, relying on recent semiconductor advances, for a cheaper and more compact and efficient inverter.
Since Tesla Motors is a Silicon Valley company I think this would be a natural improvement by now.
Speculating even further:
Tesla will manage to improve their inverter (with the associated electronics) and the way it controls the motor to the point where they can dispense with the reduction gear. They can then connect a smaller motor directly to a half-shaft that goes directly to the wheel, for each rear wheel. With the same option for the front wheels they would have a quad drive with electronic torque vectoring, no differential and basically a minimum of moving parts.
Tesla decided to make the 'biodefense' mode - I think the above would win over more people and leave the traditional car makers in the dust.
In fact, Tesla can then tow an Audi up that ski jump and rightfully claim:
"Vorsprung durch Technik" now belongs to Tesla.�
Mar 22, 2016
Candleflame i think the 200 miles real world range statement is a bit confusing since even the s85 can just about get 200miles range in real world mode....�
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