Apr 3, 2016
Infoe im wanting leather, auto pilot and probably updated battery or possibly performance but by Elon's tweets it seems awd will have priority. I drive around 15 miles a day at most, speed of charge won't be a concern to me. It may not be an option like on the S 90d and p90d as the current upgraded options from the 70 , but any other reason to want awd that I have not thought about?�
Apr 3, 2016
eye.surgeon The reality is AWD will provide little real-world benefit to you in a sunny climate unless posting youtube drag race videos is your hobby. Same with Model S for that matter.�
Apr 3, 2016
keydiver I also live in Florida, but for my Model S I opted for AWD, because:
1) I have had 3 or 4 sports cars that had AWD, and I loved it. I like how a car handles when all 4 wheels are pulling for you.
2) I have a real aversion to wheel spin, or the traction control killing power, when I pull out fast in the rain. I think my heart skips a beat or 2 everytime I go to pull out in the rain with incoming cars heading right at me, and the tires start spinning, the traction control kicks in, and I'm going nowhere. This NEVER happens in my 70D. I have deliberately launched it in every kind of weather, and it just GOES!
All that being said, I was planning on just getting a base RWD Model 3, but Elon's Tweets recently about the AWD option being <$5000 are making me reconsider.�
Apr 3, 2016
Richg I have a P85D and find the duel motors to vastly improve my driving during heavy rain, that we have here in Sarasota. Also, I believe the duel motors have more range and performance. I'm glad I chose the "D'�
Apr 3, 2016
Infoe Isnt that more of a sign of the tires than rwd/awd? I had an m3 living in miami with Michelin super sports and id Never lose traction. I guess its all an assumption until configurations and pricing comes out but I feel like id rather save the money or apply it to something else. I can't see myself getting awd to get the car sooner. Id rather pick up in Cali. And this is coming from someone that sold their car and is carless until the Model 3 comes out�
Apr 3, 2016
NeverFollow Considering the weight of the car, and the one gear transmission,
and also the reliability issues that Model S users encountered,
I would certainly opt for the AWD.
I think that I read that the AWD provides a kind of two gear system,
with more torque on the rear for better acceleration, and more power
sent to the front, using a longer gear ratio, when cruising on a free way.
If you are not short of $5k and plan to keep your Tesla for a longer time,
and also be less worrisome about reliability and looking for a better resale value,
I would personalty choose the AWD, even while I am living in California.�
Apr 3, 2016
ibdb If you aren't familiar with the instant torque an electric motor provides, you might be surprised how easy it is to break the rear tires loose in wet conditions. I've driven a Model S 85 loaner and found myself losing traction in places it was never an issue in my 85D. AWD isn't just for cold weather climates. Whether or not it's necessary for you is going to be up to your particular priorities.�
Apr 3, 2016
chuhouse2003 I am thinking about it too. I live in SoCal. Do I really need that dual motors? What are the advantages and disadvantages of dual motors?�
Apr 3, 2016
igotzzoom Undecided. If AWD is $5k, I might pop for it, if it means a little quicker acceleration.
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Apr 3, 2016
David99 The smaller motors used in the D models are slightly more efficient, thus they get a slightly better range out of the same battery as a RWD. The difference is very small, though. I have driven in snow with my RWD Model S and it's traction control works so well! If you never drive in snow it really makes no difference whatsoever. Dry road or rain, RWD is totally fine. The front motor does make the front trunk a lot smaller. I use my front trunk a lot and would hate to have it compromised for a front motor that I never use.
I have no doubt that having all wheel drive provides a better torque distribution and forces are evened out across the car. But the difference it makes in every day driving is irrelevant. If I bought today I would still get a RWD again.�
Apr 4, 2016
Infoe Great write up. I plan on doing a 36/10 lease of the Model 3, so being a lease keeping costs low especially on options is a smarter decision (less rent charge) there are some definite things I want. I envision any upgraded battery option to potentially come in a D variant as they are doing now with the Model S but given the option, I will probably opt for RWD�
Apr 4, 2016
Lerxt There is absolutely no reason to think twice about ordering a RWD. Do it if you don't want to pay more. It works better than any ICE and you'll never regret it.�
Apr 4, 2016
Jason Bourne I came here to say what most people have said already. For wet roads (rain or snow), AWD helps. If I lived in Fla I would probably get only RWD since the Tesla probably would have the best 2-wheel traction control available. But there is nothing like AWD when roads aren't dry. I also feel a difference when I'm driving spiritedly through curvy dry roads. But the money wouldn't be worth it to me, were I a Fla resident.
I don't necessarily agree that AWD cars will have priority over RWD cars. I think heavily-optioned cars will have priority over base-model cars. But isn't it better to order exactly what you want and wait a little longer?�
Apr 4, 2016
MiamiNole I think I may be slightly confused about the differences between RWD and AWD for Teslas. Doesn't going to AWD on a Model S add a significant amount of performance (torque, HP, etc.) by going to dual-motors? I could have sworn I've seen people posting the specs of the single RWD motor vs. the dual-motor AWD. I live in Florida too, and I was thinking about AWD strictly for the performance (plus potentially getting my car sooner). But that was thinking there was a significant difference between the two...�
Apr 4, 2016
MiamiNole Tax credit...�
Apr 4, 2016
BBryson Another aspect to consider is that the RWD may have more frunk space.�
Apr 4, 2016
LilWanFu South Florida drivers + I-95. Yeah, I'm thinking AWD but I was planning a highly optioned Model 3 anyway.�
Apr 4, 2016
RAM_Eh I live in Canada, have RWD and the car for 2 years, 3 winters...AWD is not necessary unless you get a lot of snow!�
Apr 4, 2016
MiamiNole I was just back down there for a wedding. I swear everytime I go back home to Miami I lose a little more of my mind. The latest thing I saw driving back up to Orlando was the express lanes being "closed". Yet, while we were stuck in the slower traffic, people were jumping through the plastic rod barriers into the "closed" express lanes and speeding through unimpeded with absolutely no consequence. Not a cop or anything in site. Gotta love Miami!�
Apr 4, 2016
WhiteFang The answer to that question will for many be heavily tied into production rates, how the queue system works vs the quickly evaporating $7500 tax rebate... Luckily, at least according to my local Tesla store, you will KNOW at the time you pick options/sign the sales agreement what rebate if any is still in effect... But if de-selecting AWD for less than 5k increases delivery time by months, it might save you 2500 to select it.. I suppose we will all see!�
Apr 4, 2016
Olle I grew up in Sweden, most people there didn't have AWD despite lots of snow. Braking and turning are the main problems in snow, none of which AWD will help with. Winter tires is the solution. AWD and summer tires is snow is the most dangerous combination.
AWD in a Tesla IMHO is best for accelerating out of sharp corners on dry roads. Did it when I tried the P85D, never had that much fun in any RWD car.
Sounds counter intuitive but I imagine you will hear the same from anyone who has lived in snowy countries for any length of time.�
Apr 4, 2016
cjtylr Central Florida here; will probably opt for the AWD version. Hate spinning tires on wet roads in my current car.�
Apr 4, 2016
Caligula Dual motor pros:
-Faster acceleration in all but 100% optimal traction conditions.
-Better range.
-Drive unit failure redundancy (one dies and you can still drive on the second).
Dual motor con:
-Initial cost.
Cliffs Notes: AWD > RWD�
Apr 4, 2016
Snowdog This guy drives to remote steep winter locations in his 2WD Model S:
No need for AWD whatsoever, but I guess if you want to stoplight race people in the rain, it could be handy.
But very far from necessary.�
Apr 4, 2016
ibdb You can flip between the 70 and 70D here: Model S | Tesla Motors�
Apr 4, 2016
kort677 the "feel" and handling plus some added efficiencies of the AWD make the AWD IMHO a better choice over the RWD. I don't know if the RWD is discontinued but I would guess that the RWD cars will be eliminated at some point.
because the heavy rains in FLA and for added resale value I would opt for the AWD.�
Apr 4, 2016
Socom It might not be a bad idea either way. I'm sure you will do just fine with a set of good all season tires and RWD, but AWD has its advantages as well.�
Apr 4, 2016
cfsaxNY How could dual motors achieve more range? I would assume they draw double the current effectively depleting the battery in half the time.�
Apr 4, 2016
Jason Bourne My sense is that the additional performance in an AWD Tesla is because there are two motors performing the work instead of one; vs 4 wheels pushing instead of 2. It can be said that a Tesla with dual-motors has more horsepower than one with a single motor. But it is not a fair comparison to ICEs with AWD because they all still have the same single engine. Just a barely educated guess, though.�
Apr 4, 2016
cfsaxNY I thought it was traction control that prevents wheel spin. Does the RWD have traction control?�
Apr 4, 2016
Socom This is achievable by distributing the work across two motors which would require less amperage than putting all of the weight on one motor to get the car moving.�
Apr 4, 2016
Jason Bourne Are you saying that you drive a RWD Tesla in Canada safely and confidently? Do you use Winter tires? What kind of road conditions are typical for your area? Powdery dry snow? Wet snow? How much accumulation of such? Do you get significant slush or ice?�
Apr 4, 2016
Jason Bourne Do the people in Sweden who don't have AWD, have FWD or RWD?�
Apr 4, 2016
Snowdog IIRC the two motors have their peak efficiency curves out of sync.
Tesla then shunts more power to which ever motor is in the better part of it's efficiency curve.
So the system as a whole spends more time at a higher efficiency, than a single motor can.�
Apr 4, 2016
Snowdog There is a whole thread about FWD vs RWD in snow here:
Bolt has FWD and Model 3 does not.
FWIW, I drive a Miata year round in Eastern Canadian winters (Snow, slush, ice storms...).
It's more sure footed than any FWD car I have owned. RWD gets a bad rap mostly from nitwits who try driving on summer tires in the winter (as most RWD cars have summer tires stock).
Put winter tires on a RWD car, and the same attributes than make RWD superior for performance driving on pavement, make them superior for driving in the snow (vs FWD).
Great AWD system like Teslas, would naturally be better though.�
Apr 4, 2016
geoffreak I'm from Dallas, TX and I will be opting for AWD. Like other posters, I love how it handles in all conditions. There just isn't anything that can cause traction loss. I currently drive a Subaru and really don't want a non-AWD car anymore. I don't really care about a larger frunk that may come with RWD as I rarely carry much of anything in my car other than people.�
Apr 4, 2016
RAM_Eh Absolutely. In 2013 when I first got the car, snow tires were back order and didn't receive them till Feb. We went though 3-4 snow falls of 3-6 inches of snow. To be honest in Toronto we mostly get ice and due to the weight and low center of gravity, NEVER found my self in any compromised situation. The second winter, using the snow tires, I did manage to get somewhat stuck in a snow drift due to the car in front of me stopping. Once traffic cleared just kept the accelerator down and the car pulled out no problem. This is the third winter and the only thing I am noticing now is the car is a little looser now on snow than before ( at least I am noticing it) is probably due to the snow tire tread depth.
No power snow we get lots of slush and ice and the street I live on very rarely gets plowed...they just dump salt, and then after a few days turns to ice.�
Apr 4, 2016
igotzzoom The only two factors for me are frunk size and option cost. Living in coastal SoCal, I have absolutely zero "need" for AWD, but if it's the difference between 0-60 in 5.5 and 4.2, if I can swing the payments, for sure I'm going to go with AWD. What can I say, I'm a sucker for acceleration!�
Apr 4, 2016
juanmedina If you don't care about acceleration get the RWD. It should have more traction than your regular front ICE rear wheel drive car since you have more mass over the rear wheels.�
Apr 4, 2016
LilWanFu I'm in the Lake Buena Vista area for Disney a few times a year and I just generally prefer the traffic there. The I-4 corridor can get busy of course but that's expected for work traffic. Yes, I've seen some very interesting stuff down here. AWD and Performance to the rescue and I drive a fairly sizeable SUV (Chrysler Aspen). That doesn't deter anyone.�
Apr 4, 2016
hingisfan My RWD Model S with winter tires is fantastic in the snow.�
Apr 4, 2016
Snowdog I doubt there will be that much difference.
The difference between the 70D and 70 is only a couple of tenths of second. (5.2 and 5.5). I expect it will be more like 5.8 and 5.5, on the base Model 3.�
Apr 4, 2016
igotzzoom If it's that small of a difference, I'd probably pass and get RWD. It would have to be a substantial difference (0.7 sec or more) for me to be willing to pony up.�
Apr 4, 2016
Dogwhistle Another big benefit is regenerative braking on all four corners. In a Tesla, you will rarely use the mechanical brake pads up front, most of your slowing will be via regen. I know in our i3, which is RWD only, the regen braking can cause the aft end to get a little squirrelly under slick conditions, would much prefer to have front braking that kicks in as well!�
Apr 4, 2016
Dogwhistle It's kind of like having the rear motor permanently in first hear, and the front motor fixed to second. The rear will provide most of the grunt off the line, but the front is better tuned for constant high speed running. The computer distributes power based on which is most efficient for the conditions. Thus, higher range, with more power available, best of both worlds! For only a ~$3k upcharge!�
Apr 4, 2016
Richg Also I believe there is different gearing, which leads to efficiencies at different speeds, prioritizing the most efficient motor.�
Apr 4, 2016
Infoe seems like splitting hairs tbh, the people that have awd defending getting awd and those with rwd doing the same. It does seem marginal when it is all said and done, and looks to be a matter of preference.�
Apr 4, 2016
Snowdog Even in Snow country AWD is not required. You would be fine without it.
OTOH, this is the best AWD system you can buy (IMO), and there is pretty much no downside to having it, other than the initial price increase.
So it is both: unnecessary and really quite great.
You really can't go wrong. If you want to economize, get the RWD, if a few grand more doesn't matter get the AWD.
There is no wrong choice here.�
Apr 4, 2016
JPP We line in the SF Bay Area (NoCA) and do not drive in snow/ice (...voluntarily). I really like to drive my wife's S70D over my S85, as the performance is better, the handling is better, and the overall range/efficiency is better. I would replace my RWD with a Dual Drive AWD in a minute. YMMV.�
Apr 4, 2016
Infoe your statement of driving your wifes 70d over your 85 was a shocker being that you own both. Can you expand on that please? From all the statements yours has me really considering, although ive been to sf and miami is as flat as it gets. Sf is very hilly. Would you feel the same on flat roads?�
Apr 4, 2016
jbcarioca My car lives in Miami and is a P85D.
There are three reasons for AWD in sub-tropical South Florida, in my opinion:
1) in heavy rain Tesla AWD is much more stable than is RWD. I have driven both under these conditions. Thus would make me buy it alone.
2) in AWD one motor coast in steady state driving. Thus you can actually get higher efficiency from AWD even with a P. I've made long trips with mine at <250 whmi
3) then there is the acceleration and handling stability. Tesla AWD is far better than any other AWD I've tried.�
Apr 4, 2016
JPP Lots of stuff to consider. We don't live in SF proper anymore, but the 'burbs. More flat, more highway driving. Very little 'spirited' driving on windy 2 lane country roads. All S with the very low center of gravity stick to the road with very little body lean or roll. Handling for a heavy car is really pretty great. All go plenty fast. My 'old' S85 is 0-60 in about 5.5/5.6. My wife's S70D (smaller pack) is 0-60 in about 5.1 or so. Confused? The dual drive is a real game changer. Instead of my single rear motor with a fixed single gear, the S70D has a good sized rear motor geared low, and a smaller front motor geared high. At launch from stop, as weight is shifted to the rear, the rear motor gets more juice and gives more torque (geared lower). The front motor however definitely pulls from a stop, and with AWD and the spectacularly efficient and precise electronic traction control and electric drive train, there is no wheel slip (on dry or wet pavement) and thus better performance. And at highway speed, most of the power to keep moving through the air and tire resistance comes from the front motor and gear train which is geared higher, and is thus more efficient. Her S70D has better 'mileage' than my RWD S85, and kW per kW, better range. Do I/we need dual drive/AWD? Not really. Does it perform better--for sure. Ask Audi with the Quattro and Porsche with the 911 AWD. On the flip side, is a RWD S bad in the snow? Absolutely not. Ask the many Norwegians who own one (the country with the 2nd highest number of S sales is Norway). They all rave about the snow and ice performance (the RWD traction control is also the best in the industry). There are only 2 things I dislike about the Dual Drive S--more $$ (no biggie) and the smaller front trunk ('frunk'). Neither is a deal killer. You will not be disappointed in a RWD S. I love my S85 and enjoy every day I get to drive it. Safest car on the road. No regrets.�
Apr 4, 2016
Justmurr I had always just assumed that I'd get the AWD ...being that I've waited so long to get into a Tesla...being that I live in the Northeast....
Then my lovely wife reminded me that over the 12years she has known me I've only ever driven RWD cars....with 1 exception being 1 FWD car and that was a commuter (Kia, rio)...which was to save miles on my '06 M3 (miss that car). I was sort of shocked by this until I realized she was right ....I'm currently in a '14 mustang.
So here I am thinking of saving $ on the AWD to use it on bigger battery and performance (not ludicrous, since I think that requires AWD?) or other options? After reading some of these posts ....I may need to rethink not getting the AWD as I do want (need) performance. Interesting to think about... While waiting.�
Apr 5, 2016
Infoe I agree always in a rwd car as ive been in a bmw since early 2000's based on the thread id like to opt for bigger battery, if its anything like the S configuration of this year upgrading automatically puts you in a D so it will make the decision easier for us�
Apr 5, 2016
jerry33 It depends on your driving mix. RWD is more efficient around town. AWD is more efficient on trips (albeit with far less storage space).�
Apr 5, 2016
Jason Bourne Driving RWD cars in PA in Winter, were you using winter tires?�
Apr 5, 2016
MiamiNole So after looking over Model S options, basically if I'm only interested in added "performance", getting a bigger battery makes a much greater impact as far as acceleration and range than going for dual-motors does, right?�
Apr 5, 2016
Olle Used to be similar mix of FWD and RWD cars as in America, minus the trucks plus the French cars with are all FWD. So I guess a little more FWD than US. Lately though they have started buying more AWD cars, not because of more snow but because people make a little more money every year. Gotta spend it on something.�
Apr 5, 2016
Caligula Only the 70kw Model S has a RWD option. The larger capacity batteries only come in AWD models. So technically, AWD will offer the same performance increases as a larger battery, assuming we aren't talking about adding the "P" or ludicrous options.�
Apr 5, 2016
LilWanFu If you're in South Florida and are trying to cross N 56th Avenue and Park Road (in Hollywood) during the drive home--you want as much HP to cross that intersection because people don't like to let you pass.
...AWD and whatever speed option I can get...�
Apr 5, 2016
Justmurr I did...years back...but now I do not and it gives me a good reason to work from home when/if needed.�
Apr 5, 2016
Twincam23 as of now, i'm leaning toward AWD for performance and handling.�
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