Aug 31, 2016
talk2bilal Majority of the cars I see have pano, I noticed pano has great headroom too. How desirable is it having a car with no pano roof? or is it more price dependent?�
Aug 31, 2016
S'toon Important? In the grand scheme of things, not at all. As you say, most people have them. That's their personal preference. Many say it makes the car seem more airy. I myself wouldn't get it since it allows in cold in winter, and I don't like sunroofs. I'm in the minority though.
It must be noted however, that if you want the Ultra High Fidelity Sound Package you need the Pano roof.�
Aug 31, 2016
STbreaker The roofline of the Model S is pretty low, so the pano roof can help keep the inside from feeling cramped. Everyone is different, but for me it's the most clearly "worth the price" option after autopilot.�
Aug 31, 2016
PtG62901 I don't do sunroofs, but the pano roof I liked and ordered. Test drive, see what you think. Turn the AC on before you get in the car.
I think you can't have XM radio without pano, but can have upgraded sound?�
Aug 31, 2016
royewest Putting my tall family in the back seat revealed the need for the pano roof�
Aug 31, 2016
S'toon You're correct. That's what the ordering page says. I misremembered.�
Aug 31, 2016
Blu Zap I have the pano roof and love it. I do live in NorCal, so climate is a consideration. (no snow) Yes - more headroom, especially in the back seat. Yes - better acoustics, especially with the premium sound. Yes - less claustrophobic with the clear roof. Sun heat is really not an issue. Very well tinted.
A point not previously mentioned is the whisper bars. If you might ever have a chance of putting a roof rack on for anything, you have to have the pano roof. It has the little slots that the whisper bars hook into. Can't do it any other way. Skis, Bikes, surf boards, whatever. Consider that aspect now or for the future.�
Aug 31, 2016
FlatSix911 No go on the pano roof ... many long term leaks and noise issues along with an extra 200 lbs of mass
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Aug 31, 2016
Blu Zap @FlatSix911
Any specifics on leaks and noise from the pano? Had mine two years and no problems. What have you heard or experienced?�
Aug 31, 2016
FlatSix911 Just search the forum for leaks and noise ... too many issues for me.�
Aug 31, 2016
Austin Powers Mine has it and we love it. Gives a really nice view especially for the kids seated in the rear seats. Looks especially great with lighter body colors (white, silver)�
Aug 31, 2016
PtG62901 I have to admit, I'm old and don't care about the weight. Not going to a drag strip.�
Aug 31, 2016
mkspeedr I love the pano roof. It helps open the inside up and makes it feel less confined inside. I even open it once or twice a year.�
Aug 31, 2016
cman8 I was skeptical about the pano at first. Thought it might get too hot in the summer. I wanted it though because it would be the oly way to get the bike racks on with the factory attachments. I dont regret it whatsoever. Its nice to have the few extra inches of headroom as well as it feels bigger because you see the sky. Doesnt feel like it gets hot either, I read that same comment from others before I bought and people in florida said the tint on the pano is top notch, which I agree with. Plus, I think it makes the car look better.�
Aug 31, 2016
Mike K I feel like anyone that says the pano roof gets too hot/ cold hasn't been in a car with one in any kind of extreme environment. And I say that fully realizing that now 65 people are going to quote me and insist that they have and that it's horrible... I've spent both winters and summers with the pano roof and I owned an S without one as well.
We've driven from LA to Phoenix in the dead of summer in 117 degree heat and the pano roof may as well not be there. It makes almost no discernible difference in comfort with respect to heat. And that makes sense when you look at it from the outside. It's UV coating is so strong you basically can't see into the car from above.
They go so far above and beyond to make sure the pano roof doesn't cook you that I have to wonder how people that have that complaint own a car at all because the windshield and side windows allow exponentially more heat/ cold air to pass through and those are real problems in the dead of summer. I have to put a towel or a shirt on my lap sometimes if the sun is coming in at the right angle but that is coming from the windshield or side windows, not the pano roof.
What people say about head room is true but more importantly is the fact that it really does open up the car. Another thing to consider is resale. The pano roof is a must for many people. For that one reason I likely wouldn't touch a non-pano car or a textile car.�
Aug 31, 2016
playoutside I reserved a CPO P85 sans pano and paid for shipping from LA to Seattle. I was so excited. I had only driven two Model S's and both had a pano.
When the car arrived I was so excited. I sat in the car and my heart sank. Without the pano I felt claustrophobic. I immediately cancelled the reservation and switched to another S with pano and waited another 8 weeks to get it. I couldn't be happier.
Before my Tesla, I never much cared for sunroofs (even though almost all of my previous cars had one). Now I could never envision a tesla without one.�
Aug 31, 2016
Canuck 2.5 years and no issues at all for me. I've also been reading here since before I got my car and I've read few posts about problems with it.
It also provides a great place to hold my satellite antenna. I have a portable receiver with a lifetime subscription. I don't need it around town, but for travelling it's good to have, because I often travel to areas with no cell coverage so no slacker/tunein, including at my cabin. Trying to find a place on an aluminium vehicle for a magnetic antenna was real tough until I lifted up the roof rack holder clip, inserted a bolt, and did this... I taped the edges concerned it might fall off and scratch the paint but it hasn't moved at all after thousands of highway miles... easy on and easy off...
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Aug 31, 2016
TSLATed I have a removable all-glass roof panel in my other car (Corvette), so I opted to skip it on my Model S. For me there hasn't been a time (yet) when I've wished it was there in the Model S. When my wife and I want to enjoy beautiful weather with a glass roof (or no roof at all) we just fire up the Vette. Otherwise, in typical 90+ degree sunny Florida weather, we can stay cool in the Tesla without the glass roof.�
Sep 1, 2016
cman8 Agree with this 100%. I live in Utah where weather in summer is high 90's. And winter is low teens most of the time. I have never had any issues with the car feeling cold or hot. In fact it impresses me that I can kick on the climate control from my office and no more than 2 or 3 minutes later the car is cooled or warmed significantly.�
Sep 1, 2016
jelloslug I drove to work this morning with it open; it's definitely worth it.�
Sep 1, 2016
JPUConn Wouldn't buy another one without it
- Whispbars + cargo pod for trips
- Kids love it
- No issues with sun or noise
- Increased headroom
- Enjoy driving with it open and AC off
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Sep 1, 2016
David29 We have the pano roof on our 2015 70D, and we enjoy it, but I do notice heat from it and am always surprised when I read that others do not experience it. I can't account for the different perceptions. One possibility that has occurred to me is that I am tall and I also try to sit fairly high in the seat, so my head is fairly close to the glass and to the metal around the glass. And I have very little hair left! So maybe I can feel it more because my (mostly bare) head is closer to the glass and aluminum -- not sure. Or maybe I am just fussy.
Or possibly I am feeling heat from the huge black dash, which acts like a big radiator. Hard to say. But I enjoy the ability to vent or open the roof, so I would get another despite the perceived heat.
I recently had one small problem with the pano roof. Suddenly one day, it would not move to the vent position. I could open it to any other position just fine. I had an appointment for some minor warranty items, and asked the service center to check the roof. They "re-calibrated it," and now it works OK.�
Sep 1, 2016
smsprague I have the Pano in Tucson, AZ for over 2 years. Have never noticed the heat from the roof, even in our extremes (110 degrees). I am 6'2" so I am near the glass. I tinted the other windows put left the pano alone.�
Sep 1, 2016
PtG62901 Things like this are very subjective. You would have to do a side by side test, using real measuring devices to understand which was hotter, Pano or no Pano. People who study these things know to never believe what humans say from their perceptions. A car sitting in the sun, with windows up, is going to be really hot on a summer day.
I figure this is a lifestyle choice. 5 minutes before you drive, get out your app, HVAC on. Done with worrying about heat transfer through the Pano. I know it will be better then my current car, when it is 95 and 90% humidity. That is really hot.�
Sep 1, 2016
Chopr147 I am somewhat sensitive to light and I love the pano (to my surprise) Very little heat gets in and I have had it on some hot days lately.
As far as leaks etc..... I have been on this forum for 5 months now and obsessed.�
Sep 1, 2016
MDMGSO47 My wife voted no on her refreshed S 70 delivered in June. I will vote yes on my red P90D next summer. I have had a number of convertibles and miss them. Although the Pano roof hurts the outside appearance of the car (IMHO), it makes the car feel more open inside. Additional head room is not an issue since we are all under 6'.�
Sep 1, 2016
David29 Interesting! On the other hand, I feel that the pano room improves the appearance! Personally, I like the color contrast between the black roof and the body color, especially for silver, white, or red. (Obviously the contrast is nil for black.) But even with darker colors, there is an interesting contrast of materials -- glass versus painted metal. Matter of personal taste, obviously!�
Sep 1, 2016
cpa The panorama roof is great for us. It is particular nifty in the cool evenings from April - June and again now until late October. Kinda neat to drive at night with the stars and moon looming above.�
Sep 1, 2016
pedriscoll I love the pano roof. In mild weather I enjoy driving with it open. The extra headroom makes the car seem even more spacious, and I have gotten raves about the view from rear seat passengers.�
Sep 1, 2016
JeffS This is a shockingly balanced thread. I was expecting a tiny few to be opposed to the Pano. But there are a bunch!!
I didn't get the Pano. I intend to drive this car for the 8yr unlimited mileage drivetrain warranty. And then give it to a family member after that. Panoramic sunroofs tend to not age well. Tesla's has had some pretty common leaking issues on young cars...so I think aged cars with the Pano roofs will be a problem area. For that reason alone, I opted against the Pano.
I am 6'2" and have no headroom issues in the front or back.�
Sep 1, 2016
Thomas Allen I'm 6'3". No headroom issues at all with the standard roof. Just lower the seat. I probably have a 3" to 4" space between the headliner and my head.�
Sep 1, 2016
NikeWings Its always open
Which could not ever happen
If it were missing
Tesla haiku....�
Sep 1, 2016
Cnasty Pano all the way.
I'm 6'3 and felt very enclosed with no pano and the additional headroom is fantastic and opens up the cabin.
Especially for my all black S�
Sep 2, 2016
FlatSix911 Panoramic roof creaking noise.�
Sep 2, 2016
roblab I sit next to the roof, too. My belief is that the heat coming in the side and front windows, which is not heavily IR filtered, heats up everything, from dash to upholstery. That heat rises. It gets hot near the roof. I have turned the AC to blow upwards, and when I put my hand in the now cooler space, I do not feel any heat from the pano. I know, not too scientific, right? But you should be able to feel radiation, and I can't feel it.�
Sep 2, 2016
PtG62901 This thread is from 2013?�
Sep 2, 2016
LastGas I didn't get pano because of the extra drain on the air conditioning--I live in the South. I read that pano blocks 90% of the sun's heat, but there is till 10%. I also don't plan to carry folks in the back seat very often, so the low headroom is less of an issue.�
Sep 2, 2016
UBQP I didn't get it because I didn't like the "airy" feel + there's nothing to look at "up there" where I drive + I feel safer without it. FWIW I don't care much for the super view on the X either. I've had many cars with moon roofs and I rarely used them, except for venting in the summer.�
Sep 3, 2016
jerry33 Venting in the summer is the main reason for having the pano roof. I've never been a fan of sun/moon roofs, but I'm glad I got the pano. I also have the sunscreens from the Accessories shop which cuts down on the light when parked and open. I don't feel much heat from it, and if it's over 30, I'm running the A/C anyway so it doesn't make all that much difference. (I'm in Texas so hot weather is common.) I've not used the roof rack holders, but it's nice to have that ability. As far as safety goes, the automotive safety glass used in the pano is likely safer than the thin aluminum sheet metal.�
Sep 3, 2016
AZ Desert Driver Great point/counter points here. I was SURE I wanted metal roof, hated moon roofs. Sure that I'd need to drive with a green eyeshade to keep top light out of my eyes. Test drove a pano car at high noon around a traffic circle and got light from all angles--and found no issue. Noticed heat and light from side windows, but not from pano. Had a buddy bring his pano over - he even has spring shades to block even more light. I'm big, and he is bigger - bald heads nearly on the glass and no pano problems. So..I ordered my new ride WITH pano. and will get to have the existence of the coat rack and bike tie down etc functions. Then I can talk with authority as to how good it is.�
Sep 3, 2016
Btrflyl8e I had an early car with pano for over 3 years, zero issues. Have it on my new one, and so far no issues.�
Sep 3, 2016
Btrflyl8e I'm so glad I'm not the only haiku nerd here! Lol�
Sep 3, 2016
Ti3034 No pano vote.
-Less heat (they sell the pano sunshade to "reduce 2/3rds of the thermal load")
-Less noise
-More sophisticated and less sporty appearance
-Save $1500 & instead buy your wife a niece piece of Tiffany's jewelry�
Sep 3, 2016
decrypt When I initially started looking at the Model S, I thought would have preferred no pano roof... but after test driving both... I feel that without it the Model S is a far too enclosed/confining/claustrophobia-inducing. Now your milage my vary... I'm 6'2" with a lot of my height in my torso... I could fit upfront just barely without the pano roof... I couldn't even begin to sit in the back... I ended up ordering the pano roof.�
Sep 3, 2016
jbcarioca I have had several cars with panoramic roofs. None of them have caused problems. Similarly the one on my S is fine. I like them for the openness and spaciousness, and for the odd times when I want a semi-convertible feeling. I have had them on cars that lived in a ski resort (Park City) and never had an issue with the cold. Frankly I would not be without one if I have a choice, unless the car is a convertible anyway.�
Sep 3, 2016
Chopr147 Obviously not a conveertible but that pano roof opens very wide. Much wider than any moonroof I have had in the past
My wife's Lexus has the pano roof but it does not open any wider than others�
Sep 3, 2016
cab While I've only had our CPO car for a month, I would say the pano roof does an amazingly good job at blocking heat, BUT there is a limit here. Sub mid to high 90s, it seems OK, but above that I think the Model S' AC could generally use some help and the pano roof is definitely starting to show its weakness. An additional light ceramic tint might help, but the regular roof also has the somewhat insulating headliner over it which you won't get with a tint. Indeed, it may simply be the reduction in radiated heat that a headliner provides which is more material here. Heck, just touch the headliner in front of the glass and then touch the glass itself...big difference in temp.
If you park in a covered area wher the car never had a chance to heat soak, none of this may make a big difference, but if you are unfortunate enough to have your car sit in the Texas sun for hours at a time at 100+ degree temps, evety little bit helps...and, of course, that's where preconditioning helps enormously...if you remember to do it!
Finally, I've had the windows tinted on a number of cars over the years, but have often wondered if tinting the windshield wouldn't be better than tinting every other window...especially when driving into the afternoon sun. There are legality concerns and you can get some interior reflectivity issues too (depending on the car) so YMMV.
I'm sorry, what was the question again?�
Sep 3, 2016
JPP Another data point....
For over 20+ years with a whole string of Lexus vehicles, all with sunroofs, we essentially never opened them. When it came time for me to order my 2013 S85 (multi-coat red with black leather seats but the original standard tan fabric headliner), I specifically did not want the pano roof. Don't miss it at all. I actually like the uninterrupted span of the red roof.
When it came time to order my wife's 2015 S70D 'triple black' (Obsidian paint, black alcantara headliner, black leather) we were concerned about the cabin feeling cramped, so her S has the pano roof. Adds airiness and room--more an esthetic value than ventilation. Never opened in over 1 year of ownership.
YMMV.�
Sep 3, 2016
liuping The extra head room is not that big of a deal in front (the seats can be lowered), but it is very important for rear seat passengers. I highly recommend sitting in the back of a Model S with and without a pano roof before making a decision.
I did not have the Pano on my first Model S 85 since I don't like the noise, and they were $2500 extra back then. It was ok back then, but my son grew several inches since then. When I was upgrading to the 90D, I had him sit in back of both confirmations and it was no comparison. His head actually touches the roof on the non pano, and he had plenty of room with the pano. He's probably not even done growing yet (he is still until 6 ft).�
Sep 3, 2016
David29 One other point that I don't think was mentioned here, or not much -- cold. If you live in the snow belt, the glass roof also lets in cold. For some people, that may be more of an issue than heat. That was Bjorn Nyland's concern, and why he installed semi-permanent insulation on his Model S pano roof glass. But he is in Norway and may encounter more cold than many of us (plus he sometimes slept in his Model S so heat loss at night was a concern). (You can look for his YouTube videos for discussion of this topic on one or more of his early videos.)
In my own experience with just one winter in the Boston area, the pano roof itself does get cold, and it is noticeable on short trips. But heat rises, so as the cabin warms up, it becomes less of an issue for comfort. (Frankly I had more trouble keeping my feet warm than keeping my head warm.)�
Sep 3, 2016
FlatSix911 Sounds like this is a must-have accessory
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Sep 3, 2016
jerry33 I have them. I wouldn't say they were a "must have" accessory, but they reduce the light when the pano is open and they keep out bugs when sleeping in the car. For $150, it's a why not, can't hurt. The hatch sunshade is great for reducing the glare from misaligned headlights from the vehicle behind you. It's more of a "must have" than the overhead ones.�
Sep 4, 2016
Chopr147 Before purchasing the car I thought I may also buy these. I have had "the Pope" only a little over 2 weeks but it is August with 90+ temps. the first week of ownership. IMHO No need for the sunshades. Keeps the heat out and the glare. As far as the cold well, I guess i'll have to get back to that after this winter�
Sep 4, 2016
Filter I was initially conflicted about ordering the Pano roof. I usually don't care much for sunroofs, and thought the same would be the case for the Model S. However, once I drove one with the roof I wanted it, and I'm very glad I have the Pano. I'm in NY, and have had no issues with heat (can't speak for the southern climate experience obviously). My kids love it, and it makes driving home from work fun. Even my wife, who hates the sunroof in her car and always keeps the shade closed, likes it in my S......my 2 cents.�
Sep 4, 2016
DillyBop i think the pano roof is very important! i wouldn't get a tesla without one!�
Sep 4, 2016
Cnasty Agreed. Next to the 21 inch wheels it completes the S perfectly.
Ones without it just look odd at this point and generic imo�
Sep 4, 2016
K Hall My wife does not want pano and her car does not have it.
My and my sons cars all have it and we love it. It really is a preference choice.�
Sep 4, 2016
Canuck - heat is not an issue with a pano roof - 2/3rds of a small amount doesn't make much difference
- noise is not an issue unless you open it - then of course there's wind noise
- that depends on one's taste - to me, it looks more sophisticated with pano
- why not both?�
Sep 5, 2016
whitex Lol, OP, you forgot to specify, "important to whom". As you can see from the thread so far, some people love it, some hate it, some don't care. The only one who can tell you how important it is to you is YOU. Same goes for every other option, AWD, P, Premium, etc, etc... That is why they are options.
In case you are keeping track of the popular vote, I'm in the no-pano for me camp. For others? Whatever they like.�
Sep 5, 2016
whitex Every time I had a loaner, when I started driving I was looking around thinking one of my kids left a window cracked open. Then I'd realize, oh yea, this car has a pano. Is there a difference in noise level? Yes. Whether it is an issue or not, that depends for whom. To me, after few minutes of driving it stops being noticable, so not a big issue, but I still prefer no pano for this and other reasons.�
Sep 5, 2016
habanero69 Sorry just don't see that many complaints. You want bigger issues? Look at number of replaced DU. Some are at 9 or worse. Pano leak? NO problem compared to DU failures....�
Sep 5, 2016
Swissmoneychf I only drove Teslas with pano roofs and didn't notice any noise issues with it. There may be a difference with/without but you don't even notice it if you never drove one without.�
Sep 5, 2016
Chopr147 One telling pano roof "issue" reaction is none.�
Sep 5, 2016
NikeWings Thanks for the tip Jerry and @FlatSix911 . Since the nect Falcon launch (Vandenberg) is almost 11pm PDT, I plan to sleep in my car rather than drive home afterward. I ordered one for bug protection.......now I can sleep at the beach with my roof open. Perfect!�
Sep 5, 2016
liuping I've had loaners with noisy panos as well. However, my Model S does not have that issue, so I assume they loaners just have not been adjusted to fix the noise.
I've have a Model S with and without the Pano roof, and I don't think it adds noise unless open, then it's crazy noisy
I think the new tires (with foam inserts) will make a much bigger difference in noise level the pano/no pano.�
Sep 5, 2016
AZ Desert Driver hunh? new tires with foam insert? I did not see that on my list of options while buying. Is it something that is now just standard? or is it for changing the shoes at 50,000 miles?�
Sep 5, 2016
NikeWings I don't know how its determined, but several of us with staggered 21's took delivery with Continental ContiSilent tech aka 'strip of foam'. It also seems the the X is doing the same with its larger wheels. Other manufacturers are doing the same and I think the Goodyears that Tesla uses, might also have foam. Anyway, lots of threads out there for you to research, but this one is interesting because you can see it. Model X: Pictures of the inner tire foam insert�
Sep 5, 2016
liuping I have not personally seen it, but several people have mentioned the new version of the Goodyear Eagle Touring tires have foam inserts. I have a ways to go on my current set of tires, but I'm hopeful when I replace them the foam version is quieter.�
Sep 5, 2016
AZ Desert Driver Soooooo, does this mean my stock 19" shoes WILL arrive with foam, Could be retrofitted or $100 (all four wheels) Can only be done on 21" new purchase tires?�
Sep 5, 2016
K Hall This thread is about pano roofs�
Sep 5, 2016
AZ Desert Driver yer right....pano roof = noise and foam tires = less noise than pano roof.....Is there even a thread on foam tires?�
Sep 5, 2016
PtG62901 We know lots of people who can start one easily enough. Lol�
Sep 5, 2016
Garlan Garner I'm certainly getting pano on my M3.
I don't run from problems before I have them. If there are any issues... my maintenance plan should cover it.�
Sep 6, 2016
PtG62901 Will the Model 3 have a Pano?�
Sep 6, 2016
P85DBeast I dont think the M3 be offered with pano the whole roof of the car will be solid glass!�
Sep 6, 2016
MDMGSO47
I am getting a red P90D next summer, so there will be a definite contrast between the body and the roof. It is a throw back to the 60's and 70's where many cars had contracting roofs - mostly black vinyl. In college, the first real car I ever owned was a 69 Mercury Marauder. It was a beast in its time. The Age of Aquarius and all that. Good times.
The Model S with Pano roof reminds me of it.
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Sep 6, 2016
PtG62901 That was the original design of the Model S too, back in the day. Looked like a Porsche Targa. The new design seems more practical.�
Sep 6, 2016
Garlan Garner The 1'st Reveal car has pano. I would think that this means that the production car has pano.�
Sep 6, 2016
AB4EJ Before buying current Model S, I have had vehicles with sunroofs and I recall that I used this feature once a year at most. I ordered MS without it and have not missed it.�
Sep 6, 2016
Garlan Garner The model S reminds you of "that" car? hmmm.
I wonder what it would take to get that car from 0-60 in 2.5 sec. A strategically aimed and controlled rear explosion?�
Sep 6, 2016
thinklabinc This is not meant at anyone specifically, but I have to say I love reading these threads where our subjective opinions (heat/no heat) and rumors (leaks) are stated as fact to justify why we didn't or did get the pano roof
.....On a serious note, I got the pano roof, and love it for many reasons but mostly because I found it has reversed the onset of male baldness...�
Sep 6, 2016
Mattzilla My car is only a little over 3 months old and the pano roof has developed some annoying noises/rattles. Hoping the service center will be able to address them the next time I am near one.
My only regret with the car now after 3 months is that I ordered the pano roof. If I had it to do again, I'd go without it. I don't really use it much or find it very useful. Cleaning the bugs off that it collects in the catcher is annoying. Really, the pano roof is just something else to pay for when the warranty runs out and things go south.
But, I do like the extra light in the car and how much more "open" it feels with the pano roof. I'd probably like it more if it was just one solid piece more like the one in the Model 3.�
Sep 6, 2016
MDMGSO47
Actually the Mercury Marauder was a muscle car in its time. Now days, a Dodge Caravan would outrun it.
And of course, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.�
Sep 6, 2016
AZ Desert Driver A Dodge Caravan?? ouch. I used to love these muscle cars. What an ugly comparison--perhaps right but....A Dodge Caravan?? ouch�
Sep 6, 2016
Garlan Garner Yeah... A Dodge Caravan full of people - Towing another Dodge Caravan on 2 flats.
I mean look at that thing. Its almost like the design team said to themselves - What can we do to make this car the least wind resistant that we possibly can?�
Sep 6, 2016
??ELECTROMAN?? I'm going with all black interior and no pano. I don't want any distracting reflections on the windows I'm looking out through. Kind of like when you're watching a movie it's best to have the room as dark as possible. I can get plenty of air and wind noise by opening my side windows if that's what I'm in the mood for.�
Sep 6, 2016
FlatSix911 I have owned both ... the pano roof will only get worse with time�
Sep 6, 2016
DIL putting all that weight at the top of a car doesn't help performance. it raises CG a little (given the total weight and how low the center of gravity is already) and contributes to chassis flex.
for all the reasons already cited above it's a no-go. one of the few options to which i can easily say "I'll pass".�
Sep 7, 2016
PtG62901 My understanding is Model S is 80% Pano.�
Sep 7, 2016
MDMGSO47 My car was actually a few years earlier than this one, and the nose was not quite so blunt.
You have to remember times have changed. The exterior design of the Model S is literally a work of art. Ford didn't have the technology or the design capacity to make the equivalent of a Model S in the late 60s. Further, this car was designed to compete with the other "land yachts" of the period. While the exterior coefficient of friction of the Mercury Marauder may have not been great, that wasn't important because gas was under $.40 per gallon.
The Model S and the Mercury Marauder did have one thing in common - they were both wide cars. As a result, the back seat of the Mercury Marauder was very wide and commodious, and the faux leather seats were very comfortable. It was easy to sleep there, which I did many times while I was in college. Remember that while the late 60 and early 70s were the "Age of Aquarius", most students lived in dorms, and colleges and universities did not have co-ed dorms. Men were not allowed in the women's dorms, much less allowed to sleep over.
The interior of the Mercury Marauder was more luxurious and spacious than my Model S, and the Mercury Marauder served my purposes at that time very well, and I still have fond memories of it.�
Sep 12, 2016
EVie'sDad Indespensable, especially on warm summer evenings driving through the winding mountainsides. Pop it open and gawk at the stars!�
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