May 4, 2016
HyperMiler Mit Papas Luxus-Limousine: Abiturienten �berschlagen sich - Umland - Abendzeitung M�nchen
Passed several cars, then took off into the air. Picture of ramp included.
All 5 kids survived. The Model S probably is the safest car out there, regarding the body structure.
Valet mode might probably have helped this one, though?�
May 4, 2016
Jeeps17 Wow...
Glad all survived.�
May 4, 2016
RJ Dibble Umm, yeah, Valet mode for this driver - very glad to see the driver/passenger compartment still intact and that everyone is OK. Yikes!!!�
May 4, 2016
Edmond Sie haben keine Todesstrafe?�
May 4, 2016
HyperMiler The design of this car continues to amaze me.�
May 4, 2016
Xenoilphobe Wow!!!!!�
May 4, 2016
Caligula Anyone want to offer up a translation? Also this reminds me of "Porsche Girl"... but with a much better outcome. Go Tesla!
Nikki Catsouras photographs controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia�
May 4, 2016
HyperMiler Rough translation: During a day off from high school examination, took father's car. Lost control apparently due to speed after passing several cars in a left hander. Road exit ramped the car airborne for at least 75 feet, bolting into soft soil on the way down, subsequently flipping (head over tail?) several times (?) before coming to standstill. Occupants could leave the car by themselves, but two were hurt (fractures?). Airlifted to hospital, apparently none of the 5 in lifethreatening condition.
No tree no wall no car. Incredibly lucky, I should say. And probably wearing seatbelts. And, certainly, another proud day for Tesla engineering.�
May 5, 2016
Bimbels Curious how fast she was going. Heavy car to get airborne. Wow.�
May 5, 2016
Rockster Reason number 423 why I want my child to drive only a Tesla.�
May 5, 2016
gaswalla It's a balance between giving your kid the safety of a tesla and the increased risk of crashing a tesla due to the performance opportunities in young hands.
I'd like to to see something beyond valet mode - crippled mode or 'grandma mode' that not only limits top speed but cuts power and acceleration by 50%. Now you have a safe car for drivers at the extremes of age.�
May 5, 2016
Skotty That wreck is clearly a fake-- the wheels aren't sliced. (that is a joke; ignore if you don't get it) I do love that Tesla puts emphasis on safety, and I hope they continue to do that in the future.
I have to admit, I have no interest in putting a powerful car in the hands of a teenager. This is why it's nice to have base models with more modest power levels. I'm not a big fan of just having a reduced power mode; it just feels wrong to do that, and would aggravate the overbearing parent conflict. I'd rather have a model for teenagers that is simply incapable of high performance. They just aren't responsible or experienced enough for it. They will still be happy you got them a car, without being pissed off that you handicapped it on them.�
May 5, 2016
JMG Just glad we'll have full autonomous by the time my 4 year old is driving....�
May 5, 2016
Rockster I completely agree. I want my young driver protected by the safety of the Model S's construction and I want her tempered by settings that align the car's performance with her abilities.�
May 5, 2016
SageBrush Looks like they can re-use the windshield, which is amazing in and of itself.�
May 5, 2016
Tubesocks I completely agree...�
May 5, 2016
brianman I take it you haven't tried Valet Mode in your car yet. Valid Mode does cut power (capped at 110 kW) and acceleration (0-60 in 9s) and by more than 50% in P85DL. It's more gimped than even the 2nd "dashed limiter" (120 kW) on the P85DL.
Chassis CAN Logging To ASCII Text Plus Graphing�
May 5, 2016
Xenoilphobe 1979 VW Rabbit diesel with 48 HP engine will keep them alive. It did for me - with four people in it it wouldn't go over 80 and 0-60 was in the low 20's.�
May 5, 2016
CHG-ON Ooops.�
May 6, 2016
xkwizit This is why I switched to Tesla:
Spectacular Tesla Model S crash after flying 82+ft in the air shows importance of a large crumple zone [Gallery]�
May 6, 2016
loganintx Very cool. The 2nd to last pic with the right door open makes it look like the rear of the car is missing too. Airbags everywhere!�
May 6, 2016
Zythryn Holy cow, that was a lot of force involved.
Amazing that the occupants were mobile after that.
Hope they recover well and that the daughter is healthy in time for her father to loan her his car (in 20 years after she is done being grounded).
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May 6, 2016
xkwizit It's just the front crumple zone that got totally smashed. The rear is visible in another pic. Most vehicles doors would jam after this kind of collision. The fact that these kids were able to get out on their own..wow!! I
I had a 45mph collision on my Mercedes on the front passenger side, the entire frame bent and I could hardly get the door to open.�
May 6, 2016
Caligula Except you're driving a beer can that can't move fast enough to get out of its own way, let alone merge onto a freeway. Not something I want my children driving, especially given how others drive around them.�
May 6, 2016
vandacca Leave it up to a resourceful teenager to figure out how to roll a Tesla! It can't be that easy to do. I'm happy that they all walked away and hope they make a full recovery soon.�
May 6, 2016
Boourns Yep. My son is 18 months old, and my wife one day mentioned that he may never learn to drive a stick. I said he may never learn to drive at all.�
May 6, 2016
HyperMiler He might not even be interested in owning a car... . Mine aren't particularly enthused, and they are already 20 years older!�
May 6, 2016
Xenoilphobe I think beer can was a kind statement. I split that car in half at 40 mph into a tree and was able to climb out the area were the windshield blew out. Only thing that happened to me was a sore chest and a cut from a cassette tape that hit me in the back of the head. Damn to be 18 again!!!�
May 6, 2016
davewill I'd give up owning cars tomorrow if I could call an autonomous electric cab to my front door in 10 minutes and have it take me wherever I wanted to go..�
May 6, 2016
S'toon This is why I advocate for a Smart ED for the kids. Can't get into the trouble with the lower speed, only 2 seats, and limited range. Mind you, this happened without the father's permission, so that might have not helped.�
May 6, 2016
SmartElectric My son is learning to drive, and my Smart ED is his first car. The Tesla is off limits. He doesn't even ask...�
May 6, 2016
cynix Heh, I'm 30 and I never learned to drive a stick��
May 7, 2016
jerry33 Another perspective is "The car can be replaced, the son or daughter can't". Valet mode should mitigate this problem. Also being able to see the speed on the App.�
May 7, 2016
Bimbels When we got our Model S, we got rid of our 2002 BMW 325xi with manual transmission. Husband never even considered an automatic for this car when buying. Meticulously cared for, maintained, etc. Car looked new.
Husband approached his sister, who has 3 boys between 17-22 years old. One in High school, others in college, none owned cars, they all shared parents 2 POS's, so he thought this would be a great car for one of the boys. (or the parents.) He was going to sell it to them BELOW the low end of the KBB despite it being worth the high end.
They said they didn't want it because none of them knew how to drive a stick. I was like, WELL THEN, LEARN! I just shook my head. They did buy the car, but only the dad drives it, and none of the boys have learned (almost a year later.) SMH�
May 7, 2016
EarlyAdopter This really shows how having the battery pack as a structural member under the passenger compartment adds to safety.
In a normal car with only 0.25" steel unibody under your feet, in a rollover (especially end over end like this) that unibody is going to flex and jam the doors at a minimum, or fold in two at worse. With a thick battery pack under your feet, it's like sitting in the armored tub of an A-10 Warthog.
Love the Model S.�
May 7, 2016
xkwizit Completely agree. In 2yrs my son will be getting his license and I have already thought about this several times..get him a 10yr old Honda or let him drive my S that I can monitor and put limits on..and the peace of mind of him being in the safest car on the road because there are many other idiots out there who drive drunk, run red lights etc.�
May 7, 2016
FlatSix911 Unfortunately, in my High school days, 4 people went of the road in a 79 Rabbit and 1 girl was killed.
Even low horse power does not compensate for teen judgement and human error ... very sad.�
May 7, 2016
HyperMiler The good thing is Model 3 and its successors will hopefully keep those Tesla crash safety standards.
My wife and kids were in a head on collision at some speed in a 5 Star rated vehicle (new VW). The passenger cabin held up very well, all devices deploying and doors opening afterwards. These investments pay at some point. I have decided to not put my children into older cars not up to current crash safety standards.�
May 7, 2016
Edmond My dad had me earn the money to buy my first (and all) cars. I still had two minor accidents that were my fault and one that wasn't, as a teen.�
May 7, 2016
ronsbell The safety features of these cars are amazing. But if my child wrecked a $70,000 sedan by driving this recklessly, I'd kill her myself�
May 7, 2016
Edmond I made this remark further up Ron (in German), and was chastised. Idc. If a child is running wild, they need to be put into military school, or put out of the house.
They must not yet know how hard life is and need to be shown some tough love. Those who think otherwise, are inexperienced. It is damned hard to make good money.�
May 7, 2016
int32_t That's so sad. If you've got to drive an ICE, might as well make the most of it and drive a stick.�
May 7, 2016
Xenoilphobe great analogy - that titanium armored tub is amazing. I'm here today due to the great work of an A-10 pilot out of MDARNG. Those guys were amazing!�
May 7, 2016
HyperMiler Sent you a pm (aka "conversation") regarding that comment.�
May 7, 2016
jerry33 Actually, it's aluminum tank armour. The titanium is just for the skid plates. Sill amazing though.�
May 7, 2016
Edmond Why yes.
I remember.�
May 7, 2016
McRat The Tesla uses no heat treated bullet resistant armor. It has a 3mm titanium skidplate to protect the battery.
The A10 uses titanium heat treated armor. The M113 uses 7075 heat treated aluminum armor, but it is way too thick to use for aircraft, nor would it be worth a flying fvck at a rolling donut.
A Warsaw Pact 23mm will go through 7075-T651 like a hot knife through butter. Even 12.7 mm will demolish aluminum armor.
The A10 will absorb 23mm hits with a >70% suppression level.�
May 7, 2016
weak_pig What form of punishment is appropriate if your child totaled your tesla?�
May 7, 2016
DuplexDianne Would be great if you could control speed via phone app...then when your car gets stolen (is that even possible with a Tesla?) you can change the max speed to 5 mph which would surely gain the public's attention....it would be like parade speed, lol.�
May 7, 2016
jerry33 You can steal the fob, then it becomes easy. You can also use a tow truck.�
May 7, 2016
HyperMiler Thanks for not responding.
Considering the affected might be reading this?�
May 7, 2016
GoTslaGo Happy Dad! I'm sure he's discouraging anyone else from learning at this point...�
May 7, 2016
GoTslaGo 2 years, you can get him in a Model 3!�
May 7, 2016
aesculus Legal or illegal?�
May 7, 2016
S'toon Another great thing about learning to drive in a Smart is it's a cinch to parallel park for the test.�
May 7, 2016
mhpr262 An old and tired myth. I have driven a Fiat Panda with 34hp and a Lancia Y10 with 45 hp for many years (many thousands of kilometers on the German Autobahn) and I am still driving a Panda with 55hp. I have never had a bad situation that was attributable to lack of horsepower, only to lack of attention and bad judgement a few times. And I don't doubt those mistakes would have been worse, and more frequent, in a powerful car.�
May 7, 2016
SmartElectric Talk of the A10 Warthog and 23mm ammo certainly comes to mind...
My teenager is driving my Smart ED (adult passenger required by Ontario law) and knows the Tesla option is "right out".�
May 7, 2016
GoTslaGo The great thing about this misadventure is that they all survived and we can joke about the A10 Warthog and 23 mm ammo. Thank goodness for them, they screwed up in a Tesla! Amazing!�
May 7, 2016
S'toon I was always impressed by how agile the A-10 was flying overhead when I was in the field.�
May 8, 2016
jerry33 It's also a cinch to roll over.�
May 8, 2016
SmartElectric Not with a 380 Kg battery pack in the floor! The gas smart maybe, the Smart ED, not as easy! Believe me, this little car can be thrashed and thrown around, and all that happens is front end washing away due to understeer with those skinny tires.�
May 8, 2016
Caligula While you may feel this is true for your locality, I can assure you it does not apply to typical US freeways.�
May 8, 2016
brianman These same kids probably shake their head when an adult they know chooses to read something on paper rather than an electronic device. It goes both ways.�
May 8, 2016
Caligula The irony here is that learning to drive standard has ever diminishing returns, while becoming familiar/comfortable with digital media is quite the opposite.�
May 8, 2016
HyperMiler To interrupt acceleration to zero because the engine has a narrow torque band is not necessarily advantageous?
Not immediately clear where would be the reasons for preserving it in routine applications for future generations, other than in a museum?
Even Model S is rather conventional with mid board engines, gears and shafts in this respect, with significant DU issues as a result. Hub motors with no gears and all wheel steering might probably the best solution in the mid term? Everything else is so 20th century...�
May 8, 2016
Astroboy747 As a 19 year old who bought my 70D when I was 18 and have it as a daily driver, I am grateful to be driving such a safe vehicle, but it does not excuse my actions. I still need to take responsibility on the road and drive appropriately. But I don't believe that teenagers should be restricted from driving these vehicles, you can hurt yourself and others in any car, it just comes down to the driver.
But am very glad nobody was life threateningly injured in this event.�
May 8, 2016
GoTslaGo If I recall correctly, statistically teenagers are more likely to get in car accidents etc when there are more people (teen friends) in the car. I remember some of my friends w older/teen kids had told me they have insurance clauses which expressly forebade more than 2 teens in the car at once.
Astroboy this is not a comment or reflection on you. Just a general one regarding the accident...�
May 8, 2016
Astroboy747 I completely agree. In Australia, when you are on your Provisional License (normally 17-20 years old), you cannot have more than one person in the car with you who is not an immediate family member between 11pm and 5am.�
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