Mar 29, 2015
AmpedRealtor According to this Consumer Reports video episode posted on March 24th, older Model S cars (pre-Autopilot) will NOT be compatible with version 7 software release. This is the upcoming release that Elon said will contain a full UI redesign along with other features. If this is true, and it would be a big deal, Tesla will be sunsetting software releases to the pre-Autopilot cars beginning with version 7. He makes the statement in a very sure way, which leads me to believe he obtained his information directly from Tesla.
Here is the video starting at 9:54 where the statement is made:
Talking Cars with Consumer Reports #64: Tesla and the self-driving car - YouTube�
Mar 29, 2015
dennis I doubt it. That would imply that Tesla would be maintaining two versions of the software going forward. It would also imply (as alluded to by the CR guy) that there was an upgrade to the processor when the autopilot hardware was added. Do we know if that is the case?�
Mar 29, 2015
cgiGuy Get your tin foil hat off! LOL�
Mar 29, 2015
AmpedRealtor I don't think he would have said something like this if he wasn't provided that information by Tesla. He seems to be the nerd in the group. This is concerning because I don't believe Tesla will want to maintain two code bases. If this is true, the most likely scenario is that Tesla will stop updating the old cars and will basically freeze the feature set that we have. That means the updates we had been hoping for in navigation and other areas may never come, and may only be available to those who recently purchased their cars.�
Mar 29, 2015
dennis And we know that information provided by individuals at Tesla is always 100% reliable. :wink:�
Mar 29, 2015
AmpedRealtor Touch�, good point! I just hope this isn't true.�
Mar 29, 2015
stevezzzz This was a very interesting discussion by a group of plugged-in (you'll pardon the expression) car guys. The bombshell they dropped regarding the incompatibility of version 7 firmware with older Model S (assuming it turns out to be true) is just the logical progression of what we've already seen: that updates to hardware can't necessarily be retrofitted to older cars. Every week that passes means that there is less commonality between cars coming off the assembly line in Fremont and my early Sig S85. It's inevitable that at some point, the display and processing capability built into my Sig S won't have the horsepower to run the latest and greatest firmware.
That said, I'll be really disappointed if that point has been reached already with version 7. It hasn't even been three years since the first Model S rolled out of the factory and into customers' hands.�
Mar 29, 2015
dennis Do we know whether the processor or memory differs between autopilot cars and earlier ones?�
Mar 29, 2015
Todd Burch Yes, autopilot stuff won't go to 2012/2013/most 2014 cars. But torque sleep isn't coming to my P85 either. As always, updates will apply to cars whose hardware supports them. If they improve the media app (like adding playlists), it's not like those updates won't apply to 2012 cars.
It's in Tesla's best interest for software improvements to apply to as wide a cross-section of the fleet as possible.�
Mar 29, 2015
Saghost Obviously the older cars can't have a number of the core features being added in version 7 because they don't have the hardware.
That said, I'd be shocked if Tesla doesn't continue to update the firmware on them and keep it in line for the features that aren't dependent on the new hardware. It would be contrary to their expressed philosophy of continuous improvement, and give them bad publicity from a number of their current biggest fans without reducing the work they have to do by any meaningful amount.�
Mar 29, 2015
tenstringer009 I'm hoping that he was just being more vague and really meant to say that an older Model S wouldn't be compatible with all the features of version 7. Drawing comparisons to an iPhone 4s, Apple allowed users to install iOS8, which debuted ~3 years after the 4s was introduced. I would be very disappointed if Tesla doesn't at least continue to provide some aspect of the updates for at least the first 5 years of the car's life (but honestly, I think it should be 8).�
Mar 29, 2015
TexasEV I think everyone here should know by now not to believe what someone says someone at Tesla told them.�
Mar 29, 2015
ItsNotAboutTheMoney There would only be some separation with significantly different computer hardware. But separation can be in the sense of "we compiled a different version and used some different drivers" rather than "We wrote a different interface".�
Mar 29, 2015
Gizmotoy :biggrin: Cracked me up.
The original assertion seems pretty suspect to me. There are substantial reasons to have the entire model on the same firmware version (even if some parts of the SW don't apply to that actual vehicle). Further, it's hard to point to the fact that you can update the cars and add new features as a major selling point if, after 2 years, the cars no longer get updated. They're cars, not cell phones people turn in every two years.�
Mar 29, 2015
lolachampcar A few things are certain-
(1) processors and processing capability will improve and it is likely Tesla will migrate capability into their dashes much faster than any previous OEM
(2) the software capability will not be constrained by "backward compatibility" so you can bet, at some point in the future, there will be more than one code base to support the fleet
(3) Tesla will not do as Apple did and allow you to upgrade your phone to a firmware that literally stops the phone in its tracks
It is not a matter of if but when..........�
Mar 29, 2015
stopcrazypp While the Tegra 3 in the Tesla is already getting long in the tooth (it was already outdated within a year of its release, as do most SoCs), I remember Tesla saying they plan to stick to a 7 year design cycle for the Model S. It may not necessarily be inclusive of the the processing hardware, but it certainly can be.�
Mar 29, 2015
drinkerofkoolaid - - - Updated - - -
100% agree.�
Mar 29, 2015
dennis If the autopilot and non-autopilot cars share the same processing hardware I can't think of any reason Tesla would create a new incompatible version of the software.�
Mar 29, 2015
dsm363 You don't think journalists get things wrong? How about the 400 mile battery upgrade for the Roadster that was delivered last year via an OTA update according to CNN? Might be worth waiting until Tesla actually announces this. Seems to me if this is true and a processor upgrade is all that it is required then providing the upgrade for free would be cheaper than maintaining two selected software lines.�
Mar 29, 2015
JohnQ And that's what I'm hoping for. At some point, stop upgrading my firmware with features that will bog down response time. I just hope they're not at that point yet. Although I don't remember the exact words, I simply took CR's comments to mean that not all features in v7 would be implemented on the classic Model S which should not be a surprise.�
Mar 29, 2015
stevezzzz What the CR guy said (pointing at their late 2012/early 2013 Model S) was, "It's not compatible with operating system seven..."; which is open to interpretation (assumption: it's firmware version 7 he's talking about; assumption: 'not compatible with' means it won't even run v. 7). If my assumptions are wrong, or if he got bad information from someone 'close to' Tesla (and it wouldn't be the first time!) then all bets are off.�
Mar 29, 2015
MikeBur I don't put much faith in this. I'm hopeful Tesla's current approach of enabling firmware, where applicable and capable, continues. As mentioned, this will come to an end for "free", though I'd like to imagine something akin to the planned upgrading similar to what has been promised for the Roadster. If not, then it's a good excuse to trad in and up.
Yes, there are going to be significant additional compute horsepower requirements in the near future. I believe it is no coincidence that the replacement Tegra SoCs (Drive PX from NVIDIA Tegra Automotive | NVIDIA) are focusing on this and that they are coincidentally nick-named "auto-pilot" computers. I would be surprised if this is on the current Model S, though the integration of Nav for all new cars, yet maintaining the same additional cost for the Tech Package, might be an indicator of an imminent bump in the specs here.
Overall, if I can get 3 years of good autopilot use and free upgrades to keep improving the effectiveness of my car, whilst increasing safety, then I am a happy puppy
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Mar 29, 2015
ecarfan You are making an assumption that I believe is unwarranted.
The Consumer Reports speaker is likely making a general statement -- and also an assumption -- that firmware V7 will have many Auto Pilot features that earlier cars (which we know means pre 09-18-2015 or thereabouts) cannot utilize.
That is not news, as V6 contains features that early cars cannot utilize. Please don't blow this out of proportion with unfounded speculation, at least not until V7 is released and we actually know the facts.�
Mar 29, 2015
liuping The Tesla Model S Service page says "Think of Model S as an app on four wheels. Software updates keep your Model S current with the latest features developed by Tesla." and "Just like your laptop, Tesla will provide periodic updates to your Model S."
I doubt they would stop adding features to a car someone has owned on for as little as one year.�
Mar 30, 2015
WillAustin I agree. They've constantly touted how the car continues to get better after purchase. They can't completely abandon the older hardware without a huge PR hit.�
Mar 30, 2015
Cosmacelf I think the journalist made a mistake too. V7 will likely have new features that can't be used in pre auto pilot cars, but I don't see why other features can't be supported. AFAIK there have been no significant processor changes in the cars.
Having said that, I hope people realize that the Tesla software has hundreds if not thousands of code bases right now, depending on how you define a code base. Almost all hardware in that car has been tweaked multiple times, from Bluetooth antenna placement to charger modules. All requires slightly different software.�
Mar 30, 2015
andrewket I agree that the most likely case is the journalist made a mistake. Someone told them 7=autopilot, and autopilot is not compatible with earlier cars. Journalist translated that to a=b=c, or v7 is not compatible with older cars.�
Mar 30, 2015
AmpedRealtor The difference is that these guys at CR know their stuff and know the Model S inside and out. They are very well informed. CNN not so much.�
Mar 30, 2015
donv If they are right, and pre-autopilot cars don't get 7, no one should be surprised. It was going to happen sooner or later.
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Mar 30, 2015
Cosmacelf Can someone call or email tesla to ask?�
Mar 30, 2015
lorih I think ecarfan has it correct. Elon said it himself. He said that some of the new autopilot features would require sensors not available on some of the older cars.
My sig has a sig, for example, and the Signature Model S does not have parking sensors or the ability for autopilot updates), however his car continues to get the same firmware updates as everyone else, just some of the features are not available.
I think the reason the CR guys were confused it that they the car they have is at least 1 year old or more, and does not have the required sensors for autopilot, so they are confusing the fact that their existing car won't have some of the features available in firmware V7 with "ios incompatibility". The very fact that the guy kept calling it OS 7 instead of version 7.0 of firmware tells me he was confused.�
Mar 30, 2015
liuping There are pre autopilot cars out there that are not even a year old yet, so I would be quite surprised.
It may happen someday, but that day is a few years away at least.�
Mar 30, 2015
AmpedRealtor I hope you are right!�
Mar 30, 2015
donv Maybe... or it may be that the bulk of the new user interface improvements involve autopilot. Or maybe they require a new graphics chipset. Who knows... I'd prepare to be surprised.
I have noticed that, in general, TMC users are a very hopeful group. Many were convinced that Tesla was going to do an over the air update which would increase range somehow, or would give non-Tech Package owners navigation, or would get free updates for life. Oh, and their cars won't depreciate like other cars because... Tesla!
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Mar 30, 2015
Canuck Yes, right. Many here thought all of those things. Not a few people here, but many. Like me. I expected greater range in updates and I thought my car was going to increase in value...�
Mar 30, 2015
yobigd20 No, instead they have MANY code bases per say. sig vs non-sig. autopilot vs non-autopilot. air suspension vs non-air suspension. parking sensor equipped vs non parking sensor equipped. etc, etc, etc. it's already like this. every car has a different built configuration. this isn't concerning at all. it's just a bad choice of words. basically every release that contains an autopilot feature is not compatible with earlier cars. instead, earlier cars just get a different build based on the same code base but without the autopilot features. there's no news here other than a horrible CR report.�
Mar 30, 2015
brianman You guys might want to settle on some terminology before continuing the debate.
As an example, if Tesla is building a different binary for Sigs so that they can bake different Sig art in like 3 places rather than using runtime "if/else" logic then they probably should reconsider a lot of things in their software development pipeline.�
Mar 30, 2015
yobigd20 Who knows the truth. Everyone here is just speculation. It's probably a combination of both. Different builds aka binaries plus some if/else based on a local configuration file. I heard it was a real mess for a while, in that they have to maintain a database of every single part in every single car bc things as low level as a single chip/module were getting improved/replaced would require a different build so literally there could be thousands of different builds that they have to maintain. Again, only tesla knows the exact details.�
Mar 30, 2015
Canuck Yes, and also based on countries. For example, I was reading that the web browser is disabled in Hong Kong. There's another code base required because of location. The CR report seems to be based on the premise that there are two codes - one for pre, and one for post, autopilot -- and the pre code will no longer be updated. I doubt that's the case.�
Mar 30, 2015
brianman Ok, I'll be less subtle: you guys seem to be using the phrase "code base" incorrectly.�
Mar 30, 2015
yobigd20 different repo's vs #ifdef vs if (condition) {} else {}�
Mar 30, 2015
brianman And stuff like config files, registry, etc.�
Mar 30, 2015
yobigd20 config files and registry would fall under the 'if (condition) {} else {}' category. well, unless they trigger running different executables entirely.�
Mar 30, 2015
brianman Granted, but they also overlap into "different repo's" at times.�
Mar 30, 2015
bluenation none of us know how true this is (it's not a yes or no question, it's more of 'to what extent will it be true')
but that aside
cmon, dudes, why y'all so surprised/distraught
you guys celebrated the smartphone-ification/iPad-ification of your cars. Well guess what, those iThings get outdated in 2 or 3 years.
why should cars be the exception?�
Mar 30, 2015
dennis Can we please retreat from the implementation details and focus on what the CR guy said: older cars won't be able to run OS (sic) 7. Owners here interpret that as "older cars will not get the new, improved UI." I can see no valid reason for Tesla to do such a thing unless the older cars have a less capable processor/memory configuration that is unable to host the code for the new UI. So far I have heard nothing to substantiate that there have been changes in the Tegra 3 hardware configuration between autopilot and non-autopilot cars. So I believe the CR guy got it wrong.�
Mar 30, 2015
ecarfan Excellent point. The Model S and all future Tesla's are simply computers on wheels. They are regularly being improved with new hardware and firmware, just like our personal computers and tablets and smartphones and even our smoke detectors and thermostats! (See Home | Nest)
Most people have not yet wrapped their minds around the fact that cars are now going to evolve and improve much more rapidly then they have in the past, and that cars less than a year old will not necessarily get some of the latest features. Even some Tesla owners have not grasped that yet, and get upset when new hardware comes out that makes their "new" (almost) car less valuable. Even some of the car guys at Consumer Reports get a little confused about the nuances of how Tesla upgrades work.�
Mar 30, 2015
Canuck 2 or 3 years? Autopilot rolled out less than one year after I bought mine!�
Mar 30, 2015
skdave You can you have my permission.�
Mar 31, 2015
caps04 Here's my prediction: All cars will get the new UI (at least the polish part) and 7.0 update. The underlying "iPad" hardware and display is still the same so why fork the code and abandon their most loyal users? It makes no sense.
As an engineer, I can promise you that it would take more engineering effort to provide bug fixes and any future updates on vastly different branches of code, than to just conditionally not invoke some functionality and keep everyone on the same codebase. This is assuming that Tesla will provide at least some updates to its "classic" cars. I mean they have to, no? Their charging infrastructure is improving, their battery charging algorithms are improving, their drivetrain algorithms are improving, all their internet enabled services are improving... they can't leave all these improvements out for 10s of thousands of cars out for arbitrary reasons. This whole discussion is moot imho. Everyone is getting updates for years to come. End of story.�
Mar 31, 2015
JimmyAZ Did they state that your car would come with AP? I imagine not, so you still got the incredible car that you wanted. I've missed the boat on things in the past like this, but I would never complain because it devalues the choice I made originally. I understand how people feel bad that they won't get the AP functionality, but when you bought your car the functionality didn't even exist. It's hard to get upset over something that wasn't available over a year ago. I hope you still love your car - you're still light years ahead of other manufacturers. Consider yourself very well pampered.
This isn't to shame anyone. I get that it's unfortunate that it can't work with the new software, but hopefully you can either trade in if you must have it or just continue to love your current MS if you don't.
On a side note, I did see a parts list on this forum of what it would take to upgrade your car's hardware and wiring to work with AP. It was EXTENSIVE. Even the windshield had to come out. I was blown away.�
Mar 31, 2015
AmpedRealtor I understand that technology moves forward and our iThings are outdated in 2-3 years. I also understand that the Model S is an iPad on wheels.
People upgrade their phones and pads every 2-3 years, not a big deal given the price point. I don't think you can extend that same parallel to a $100,000 car. While some here have the deep pockets necessary to trade the car every 2-3 years to have the latest and greatest, I'm certainly not in that boat. In this respect I hope that Tesla takes care of its earlier customers. For Tesla to sunset my software after only 2 years would be a big disappointment.
Here's to CR being wrong.�
Mar 31, 2015
dpodoll My guess is that in about 2 years they will come out with a new sensor suite that will enable autopilot v2 which will detect people in crosswalks and the like. Then we will all need to trade in and up (to keep up).�
Mar 31, 2015
liuping Because they cost $100k?�
Mar 31, 2015
brianman I have high confidence that every Model S delivered will have at least 8 years of software updates. Is it because of some confidence or trust (blind or otherwise) in Tesla? No, it's because there is an 8 year warranty on the battery and drivetrain (for the 85s), and it would be monumentally foolish for Tesla to stop doing software updates prior to that warranty expiring.
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Yah, I'm a bit suspicious this might be the case as well.�
Mar 31, 2015
Cyclone My prediction is that at some point, they will say that a car will receive software updates for (at least) X number of years. And as they did with the data "trial", for any car already produced, that the clock for X years starts today. This would also eliminate someone buying a car that within 6 months, software updates ceased. That said, implementation-wise, I figure we will see upgraded processors rolled out in advance of new software that requires it, so eventually when a cutoff happens, the more recently produced cars are not subject the first cutoff.�
Mar 31, 2015
liuping I know they will stop updating my car at some point, but I'm hoping they at least keep updating it has a fully functional Media player/phone integration and some sort of either App Framework or at least CarPlay/Android Auto support, so it can have features added easily later by third parties.�
Mar 31, 2015
Andrew Everyone seems to have forgotten that the "Annual Service" -- for $600/year (or $1,900/4 years if prepaid) -- was supposed to include "necessary hardware upgrades."
While I would not expect my annual service to cover an upgrade for new features I never had in the first place (like parking sensors or auto-pilot), I would expect it to cover a faster main processor if it were required to be able to update and run the core operating system of the car. Similarly, when 4G/LTE chips become available for the data connection, I would expect that to be upgraded as well, since at some point the speed of the data connection will need to be improved in order to maintain reasonable functionality.
$600 annual check will include HW upgrade and fix if needed? | Forums | Tesla Motors�
Mar 31, 2015
rlang59 I have a feeling you will be disappointed if that time ever comes. LTE maybe but there is no way they are going to swap out the center console (where the processor is) for free or as part of annual service.�
Mar 31, 2015
Andrew I recognize that tech products are going to have a lifecycle; I wouldn't expect my iPhone 3 to run iOS 8. However, the product lifecycle on a car should be much longer than on a phone, and at the very least it should be upgradeable to be able to extend that lifecycle. If, now or even two or three years from now, my car stops being eligible for software updates because the hardware cannot handle them (and Tesla doesn't have a reasonable pathway to upgrade the processor), I'll be very unhappy about it. Having said that, I'd be really surprised if we hit that point anytime soon.�
Mar 31, 2015
bluenation ah, how history repeats itself
was it not only a few months ago that Tesla put out Autopilot and other features, and jealous "Keep up with the joneses" customers got mad cuz - surprise, surprise - the pace of software updates surpasses your car's permission/ability to receive updates?
lets face it, dudes: as it is in iOS, it is in Tesla: software updates are constant & eternal. Your car getting them, is not.
i gather it's monumentally foolish to expect software updates equal to your warranty.
no major piece of computer product has EVER received that much update support period. Except maybe windows XP.
and
trust me
you dont wanna go XP
to answer the bold: there wont be a faster processor for you. becuz there wont be an updated "core OS" - for your car. Only for newer cars, ie. not yours.
in the recent talk with Elon, the Nvidia CEO basically revealed that Elon is already demanding a faster Tegra, as the current one is not enough.
That tells you alot about the adequacy both the current software & hardware in the car, versus the vision of Elon for the OS in the coming years.
oh no question about it: your car's lifecycle will still be valid. Just not the software version.
after all, the "product" you're buying is a car - not its OS.
just imagine it's like using windows XP in 2012. Technically, the antique-ass mother****er still works. Technically.�
Mar 31, 2015
Andrew Ah, but that's the difference with Tesla. A major selling point of the car is that it is regularly improved via software updates.�
Mar 31, 2015
napabill Exactly!�
Mar 31, 2015
dennis Sure, and we can expect that faster Tegra in some future Tesla product, like the Model 3 or the 2019 (7 year lifecycle) replacement for the Model S. It doesn't mean that Tesla will slipstream a faster Tegra into current Model S production - and suddenly make current cars obsolete because they can't run the latest/greatest software release that requires the features of the new Tegra.�
Mar 31, 2015
brianman Actually I didn't say equal. I suggested at least equal to your warranty.
As for Windows XP, there's a large portion of the planet that still disagrees with your dislike of Window XP. But we digress.�
Mar 31, 2015
Canuck Hey, JimmyAZ -- please point out where you saw me "complain" or be "upset". All I said was "2 or 3 years? Autopilot rolled out less than one year after I bought mine!" That's called a fact. Stating facts is not complaining or being upset. If you read my posts when autopilot came out, and I missed it by 6 months with my car, I said repeatedly that I got the car I paid for and I never complained one bit, nor was I upset. Sure, there was some disappointment, but that's very different than complaining or being upset. In fact, I said this:
Disappointed with the D unveiling - Page 14
Please don't jump on people here for posting facts and assume negative emotions when none exist. Plus, I think an apology might be in order but I'll leave that up to you.�
Mar 31, 2015
tezco I thought one of the most important points the CR guys made is that since the electronics are becoming such an important part of cars, the manufacturers need to start making these modular since the lifespan of the car exceeds the functional lifespan of the electronics. Sure, it can't all be done for free, but if you could just pull out the touchscreen and plug in a new one at a reasonable cost, many would pay for an upgrade, particularly as cellular and wireless protocols evolve. Auto manufacturers should start considering building wiring harnesses with extra capacity or multiplexing over fiber optics which would then interface with current controllers located in strategic areas. Want to add sonar to the front bumper? Sure, all we need to do is plug it into the fiber optic network and add the necessary software. Tesla is already far ahead of many manufacturers in that almost all current in the car is controlled via the computer, rather than via myriad switches scattered over the dash.�
Apr 1, 2015
rlang59 The rub there is that auto manufacturers (Tesla included) want you to buy another car. They don't want you to upgrade your existing car, they want you to buy a new one. And part of that is why the margins they have on any retrofits is so high.�
Apr 1, 2015
McMuggets
This makes sense, even if you compare it to the computer world. A Macbook bought in 2012 is not going to have certain hardware that can run the latest OSX with all the features that the newest Macbook can run. If Apple spent time placating everyone who bought a prior product, there would never be any big leaps in design or innovation with their products. At the time people bought the first-run Teslas, they paid for the car as it was then... not for never-ending future updates of the car's software. The updates are just simply a "bonus" if you will. My 2011 ICE vehicle become old the first day I drove it off the dealership lot.... and the only updates it ever got were two recall notices for parts that were deemed unsafe. When the 2012 model came out with newer hardware and better "tech", we just accept it. This is true even for the highest end sports cars that are double what you pay for a Model S. Why hold Tesla to some unachievable standard whereby all their cars must be infinitely updatable? I don't expect my 2015 Tesla to be able to infinitely update and realize that in 3 years there might be a newer crazier model that has hardware we haven't dreamt up yet. Didn't have time to read all of the thread, sorry if this is beating a dead horse.�
Apr 1, 2015
ecarfan You can't "upgrade" a two year old iPhone or iPad with the latest processor or camera.
I am not an automotive engineer -- and likely no one else who has posted in this thread is either -- but making the Model S processor or wiring harness or bumper sensors easily upgradable is likely not as easy as one might think.�
Apr 1, 2015
liuping I'm not sure what kind of computers you buy, but I have never in my life bought a computer or smart phone that did not get several updates and even major OS upgrades well beyond the warranty period...�
Apr 1, 2015
AmpedRealtor Actually, Elon said that current software uses very little of the car's on-board hardware capabilities. More is always better, but Tesla is hardly tapping what the Tegra 3 is capable of.�
Apr 1, 2015
donv I think that will change when autopilot is enabled!
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Apr 1, 2015
AmpedRealtor Well, if that's true then our classic cars will not bear this processing burden. Also, do we know for sure that the Tegra 3 is handling EVERYTHING? Where does the image processing occur for the forward-facing camera? Is that in a separate piece of hardware or is everything running through the Tegra CPU - including drivetrain functions that we cannot see or access?�
Apr 1, 2015
Andrew I'm not suggesting infinite updateability. But I do think that there should a reasonable timeframe to be guaranteed that you'll continue receiving updates--since OTA software updates are a significant selling point and benefit of this particular vehicle. I'd expect that to be at least 5 years -- but preferably 7 or 8. Consider: The "map updates" that came with the tech package are supposed to be for 7 years (Then again, are they even specifying that timeframe anymore?).�
Apr 1, 2015
apacheguy Definitely not the drivetrain functions. They are controlled by an independent CPU for safety and security.�
Apr 1, 2015
gglockner 8 pages of speculation. Sheesh.
The processor in the car is far from state-of-the-art. It's safe to assume that Tesla will upgrade it eventually. The processing unit is much more modular than autopilot, so an upgrade should be possible. The question is whether Tesla will make that available, and at what cost.
Until then, enjoy your car.�
Apr 1, 2015
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Apr 2, 2015
lorih Is Bman saying he has yet another reason to buy the model D? His maps updates in the Sig will only be good another 4 1/2 to 5 years?�
Apr 2, 2015
Stoneymonster I think the autopilot hardware has additional CPUs. Safety critical systems should be firewalled from things like the UI and entertainment.�
Apr 2, 2015
brianman Nah, after warranty expires I'll have artsci install the holographic nav mod.�
Apr 3, 2015
notAmeenPerson I thought he said the exact opposite during his interview with the Nvidia CEO. The comment was along the lines of having excess processing power in the beginning, but the subsequent software updates taking a lot of that away.�
Apr 5, 2015
ArtInCT Ok, I have waded thru 82 interesting posts in this thread...
Suggestion... take a look at the Nvidia video where Musk and Nvidia CEO Huang discuss the future of Autonomous Driving....
Link->>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDm6Snkle70
Then at the end of that video you will see that Nvidia has created a workbench and module for Autonomous Driving for OEMs such as TESLA, AUDI, etc.
There was an implication that TM and Nvidia engineers are working very closely with each other as you would expect.
So what does this mean really.... future X and S models will incorporate the new Nvidia hardware... probability?....very likely.
Also the graphics subsystem(s) for the central display and driver display will be upgraded... probability?.... very likely.
Will these first appear in the X or the S?... who knows....
The point of concern for some here then is when will this take place and if you already have a Model S, where will this leave me and my $100K+ purchase.
We do not know. Not one of us here. There appears to be a configuration file or registry on the Model S.
This can keep older Model S versions in the running for some time.... however expect OTA updates to run longer and longer perhaps.
As an aside, in the world of UHD TVs, I noticed that the 2015 Samsung's have changed their design. A future proof module has all of the compute power
and ports. It is the size of an old VHS tape and sits outboard of the display. Only one HDMI comes from this self contained module to the video display head. At some time Samsung will allow owners to get to the next "level" by purchasing an upgrade to their future proof module.
Tesla could perhaps take this approach in the future with the implementation of its compute engines....
It is going to be an interesting world and ride... Have Fun!�
Apr 6, 2015
Robert.Boston Great idea. Unlike the chipset of a smartphone, the brains of a Model S is a low % of the cars cost. If the Tegra and cellular chips could be replaced easily, it would future-proof an investment far bigger than a Samsung 60" screen.�
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